greenisthenewred General true 882 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=882 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/video-of-will-potter-at-green-scare-benefit-when-they-knock-down-your-front-door-how-you-gonna-come/882/ Video of Will Potter at Green Scare Benefit: “When They Knock Down Your Front Door, How You Gonna Come” In this clip I touch very briefly on Communications Management Units, which are high-security facilities tha]]> 2010-01-04T07:37:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 6 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=6 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/launched/6/ “Green Is the New Red” Launched 2010-01-04T07:39:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 7 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=7 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/domestic-spying-nocomp/7/ Domestic Spying: an opportunity for animal activists 2010-01-04T07:39:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 8 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=8 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/posting-info-to-web-not-harassment/8/ Posting Personal Info to Web Not Harassment, State Supreme Court Says 2010-01-04T07:39:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 9 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=9 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/know-your-rights/9/ Know Your Rights 2010-01-04T07:39:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 10 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=10 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/who-are-the-real-eco-terrorists/10/ Who Are the Real “Eco-Terrorists”? 2010-01-04T07:39:06Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 11 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=11 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/cooking-terrorism-books/11/ Cooking the Terrorism Books 2010-01-04T07:39:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 12 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=12 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/vegetarians-counter-terrorism/12/ “Vegetarians: our counter-terror stealth force” 2010-01-04T07:39:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 13 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=13 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/att-surveillance/13/ AT&T Gives Feds Access to Network 2010-01-04T07:39:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 14 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=14 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/dhs-flyer-distribution/14/ DHS Helps Corporations Fight Terrorism Like… “Flyer Distribution”? 2010-01-04T07:39:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 27 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/04/22/oxfordban/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/oxfordban/27/ Head of Pro-Vivisection Group Opposes Green-Baiting Laws 2010-01-04T07:39:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 26 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/04/20/micro-terrorism/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/micro-terrorism/26/ FBI on “Micro-Terrorism” 2010-01-04T07:39:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 15 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/bio/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/bio/ Bio 2010-01-04T07:39:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 19 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/portfolio/texas-observer/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/newbacklash/ “The New Backlash,” Texas Observer 2010-01-04T07:39:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 21 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/bookem/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/bookem/ “Book ‘Em!,” In These Times 2010-01-04T07:39:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 23 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/newterror/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/newterror/ “The New War on Terror,” Z Magazine 2010-01-04T07:39:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 24 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shaclegalaffairs/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shaclegalaffairs/ “Beagle Brigade,” Legal Affairs 2010-01-04T07:39:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 25 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/no-compromise/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/nocompspying/ “Domestic Spying,” No Compromise 2010-01-04T07:39:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 31 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/05/01/childrens-movie-called-soft-core-eco-terrorism-for-kids/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/soft-core-eco-terrorism/31/ Children’s Movie Called “Soft Core Eco-terrorism for Kids” 2010-01-04T07:39:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 33 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/05/01/nyt-ad/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/nyt-ad/33/ Green-Scaremongers Place Anonymous New York Times Ad 2010-01-04T07:39:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 34 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/05/01/anonymous-site/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/nyt-ad-2/34/ The New McCarthyists Are Naming Names — But Hiding Their Own 2010-01-04T07:39:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 35 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/05/03/activists-taking-diy-legal-approach-to-ec0-terror-crackdown/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/diy-legal/35/ Activists Fight “Eco-Terror” Crackdown, DIY Style 2010-01-04T07:39:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 37 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/newred/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/newred/ “Green Is The New Red,” Counterpunch 2010-01-04T07:39:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 39 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/05/04/new-article-published-by-counterpunch/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/new-article-published-by-counterpunch/39/ New Article on Green Scare Published by Counterpunch 2010-01-04T07:39:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 40 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/05/08/hayden-nominated/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/hayden-nominated/40/ Architect of Domestic Spying Program Nominated to Head CIA 2010-01-04T07:39:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 43 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/05/12/animal-testing-groups-play-dumb-about-big-money-ad-campaign-2/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/washpost-ad/43/ Animal Testing Groups Play Dumb About Big Money Ad Campaign 2010-01-04T07:39:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 44 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/05/13/three-indicted-in-university-of-washington-eco-terrorism-case/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/uw-three-indicted/44/ Three Indicted in University of Washington “Eco-terrorism” Case 2010-01-04T07:39:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 46 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/05/18/oregons-us-attorney-talks-circles-around-eco-terrorism/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/oregon-us-attorney/46/ Oregon’s U.S. Attorney Talks Circles Around “Eco-Terrorism” 2010-01-04T07:39:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 47 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/05/20/ill-be-testifying-before-congress-tuesday/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ill-be-testifying-before-congress-tuesday/47/ I’ll Be Testifying Before Congress Tuesday 2010-01-04T07:39:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 49 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/05/23/text-of-todays-congressional-testimony-2/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/congressional-testimony/49/ Text of Today’s Congressional Testimony 2010-01-04T07:39:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 71 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/congressional-testimony/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/congressional-testimony/ Congressional Testimony May 23, 2006
House Committee on the Judiciary
Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security
Legislative Hearing on H.R. 4239, the “Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act”
Statement of Will Potter
Journalist specializing in “eco-terrorism” and c]]> 2010-01-04T07:39:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 200 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/01/11/news-release-federal-legislation-risks-classifying-non-violent-activism-as-%e2%80%9cterrorism%e2%80%9d/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/testimony-release/200/ News Release: Federal Legislation Risks Classifying Non-Violent Activism as “Terrorism” 2010-01-04T07:39:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 52 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/06/09/radio-program-on-green-scare-potter-interviewed/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/kpft/52/ Radio Program on Green Scare (Potter Interviewed) 2010-01-04T07:39:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 51 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/06/09/cop-says-he-was-demoted-for-opposing-green-scare-tactics/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ca-cop-demoted/51/ Cop Says He Was Demoted For Opposing Green Scare Tactics 2010-01-04T07:39:36Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 54 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/06/10/dna-databases-part-of-the-green-scare/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/dna-maine/54/ DNA Databases Part of the Green Scare? 2010-01-04T07:39:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 53 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/06/12/profile-of-ny-activist-facing-life-in-prison/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/mcgowan-profile/53/ Profile of NY Activist Facing Life in Prison 2010-01-04T07:39:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 57 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/06/13/national-lawyers-guild-calls-green-scare-tactics-unconstitutional/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/nlg-release/57/ National Lawyers Guild Calls Green Scare Tactics Unconstitutional 2010-01-04T07:39:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 56 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/06/13/more-green-scare-protest-bans-in-the-uk/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/more-uk-bans/56/ More Green Scare Protest Bans in the UK 2010-01-04T07:39:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 55 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/06/12/the-politics-of-the-t-word/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/the-politics-of-the-t-word/55/ The Politics of the T-Word 2010-01-04T07:39:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 61 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/06/16/no-knock-2/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/no-knock-2/61/ Supreme Court Ruling Could Encourage Even More Aggressive Police Raids 2010-01-04T07:39:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 62 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/06/19/shac7-film/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac7-film/62/ Short Film on SHAC, “Eco-terrorism” and the Green Scare 2010-01-04T07:39:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 66 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/07/11/bin-laden-priorities/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/bin-laden-unit-closed/66/ CIA Closes bin Laden Unit, But “Eco-terrorism” Still a Top Priority 2010-01-04T07:39:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 65 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/07/11/new-feds-tappiung/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/new-fbi-net/65/ FBI Says Internet Providers Should Make Tapping Easier 2010-01-04T07:39:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 63 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/06/21/ill-be-speaking-about-the-eco-terrorism-crackdown-at-the-national-animal-rights-conference/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ar2006-announce/63/ I’m Speaking About the “Eco-terrorism” Crackdown at the National Animal Rights Conference 2010-01-04T07:39:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 68 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aepa/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aepa/ Animal Enterprise Protection Act 2010-01-04T07:39:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 69 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/07/29/new-backgrounder-on-animal-enterprise-protection-act/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aepa-backgrounder/69/ New Backgrounder on Animal Enterprise Protection Act 2010-01-04T07:39:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 75 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/08/09/notorious-eco-terrorist-convicted-of-more-non-violent-crimes/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/coronado-lion-sentence/75/ Notorious “Eco-terrorist” Convicted of… More Non-violent Crimes 2010-01-04T07:39:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 81 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/08/15/coping-with-repression-the-chilling-effect-of-eco-terrorism-rhetoric/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/coping-with-repression-the-chilling-effect-of-eco-terrorism-rhetoric/81/ Coping With Repression: The Chilling Effect of “Eco-terrorism” Rhetoric 2010-01-04T07:39:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 80 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/08/15/the-shac-7-the-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-and-the-future-of-the-green-scare/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ar2006-plenary/80/ The SHAC 7, the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, and the Future of the Green Scare 2010-01-04T07:39:50Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 84 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/contact/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/contact/ Contact 2010-01-04T07:39:50Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 79 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/08/15/t-level/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/t-level/79/ So How Long Have You Been an “Eco-terrorist”? 2010-01-04T07:39:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 87 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/06/are-there-eco-terrorists-in-the-classroom/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/are-there-eco-terrorists-in-the-classroom/87/ Are There “Eco-terrorists” in the Classroom? 2010-01-04T07:39:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 88 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/06/a-note-to-the-mainstream-press-covering-eco-terrorism/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/note-to-press/88/ A Note to the Mainstream Press Covering “Eco-terrorism” 2010-01-04T07:40:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 89 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/07/ohio-training/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ohio-training/89/ Industry Groups Plan “Eco-terror” Training Program 2010-01-04T07:40:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 91 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/10/terroristic-threats-nj/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terroristic-threats-nj/91/ Activist Charged With Making “Terroristic Threats” 2010-01-04T07:40:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 90 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/10/leading-senate-democrat-supports-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/feinstein-supports-aeta/90/ Leading Senate Democrat Supports “Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act” 2010-01-04T07:40:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 92 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/11/pom-juice-co-joins-eco-terrorist-scare-mongering/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/pom-green-baiting/92/ POM Juice Company Joins “Eco-Terrorist” Scare-Mongering 2010-01-04T07:40:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 93 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/11/activists-deported-from-singapore/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/activists-deported-from-singapore/93/ Animal Activists Deported from Singapore 2010-01-04T07:40:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 94 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/12/eco-terrorism-thought-crimes/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/green-scare-culture-war/94/ Seeing the Green Scare as a Cultural or Religious War 2010-01-04T07:40:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 95 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/13/shac-7-sentenced/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-sentenced/95/ SHAC 7 Sentenced Kevin Kjonaas: 72 months
Lauren Gazzola: 54 months
Jacob Conroy: 48 months
Josh Harper: 36 month sentence
Everyone will have to sel]]> 2010-01-04T12:40:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 96 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/14/upis-coverage-of-shac-7-sentencing-and-aeta/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/upi-shac7-sentencing/96/ UPI’s Coverage of SHAC 7 Sentencing and AETA 2010-01-04T07:40:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 97 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/18/radio-program-on-the-green-scare-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-and-the-shac-7/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/go-vegan-texas/97/ Radio program on the Green Scare, Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act and the SHAC 7 2010-01-04T07:40:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 98 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/19/remaining-shac-7-defendants-sentenced/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/remaining-shac-7-defendants-sentenced/98/ Remaining SHAC 7 Defendants Sentenced 2010-01-04T07:40:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 99 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/20/underground-group-calls-for-more-illegal-action-in-wake-of-shac-7-sentencing/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/rabbit-raid-shac7/99/ Underground Group Calls for More Illegal Action in Wake of SHAC 7 Sentencing 2010-01-04T07:40:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 102 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/21/shac-sentencing-wrapup/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-sentencing-wrapup/102/ Watching History Repeat Itself: An Account of the SHAC 7 Sentencing 2010-01-04T07:40:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 103 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/22/grand-juries-reporters/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/grand-juries-reporters/103/ Grand Juries Used to Target Journalists, Green Scare Style 2010-01-04T07:40:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 104 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/22/nabr-ad-rollcall/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/nabr-ad-rollcall/104/ Industry Group Picks Up the Pace, Hopes to Rush Through “Eco-terrorism” Law 2010-01-04T07:40:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 105 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/28/hsus-fact-sheet/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/hsus-fact-sheet/105/ Humane Society Opposes Labeling Activists as “Terrorists” 2010-01-04T07:40:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 106 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/28/peta-aeta-alert/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-aeta-alert/106/ More Good News: PETA Action Alert on So-Called “Terrorism” Legislation 2010-01-04T07:40:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 107 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/30/senate-unanimously-passes-sweeping-eco-terrorism-legislation/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/senate-passes-aeta/107/ Senate Unanimously Passes Sweeping “Eco-terrorism” Legislation 2010-01-04T07:40:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 110 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/09/30/052306transcript/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/052306transcript/110/ Transcript of Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act Congressional Hearing Now Online 2010-01-04T07:40:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 111 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/s3880-analysis/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/s3880-analysis/ Analysis of AETA as it Passed Senate (S. 3880) 2010-01-04T07:40:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 113 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/10/05/in-depth-analysis-of-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-as-it-passed-the-senate-s-3880/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/new-doc-s3880/113/ In-Depth Analysis of Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act as It Passed the Senate (S. 3880) 2010-01-04T07:40:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 114 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/10/06/speaking-at-animal-law-conf-06/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/speaking-at-animal-law-conf-06/114/ I’m Speaking at the National Animal Law Conference Next Week 2010-01-04T07:40:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 118 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/10/06/hollywood-eco-terrorists-support-right-to-arm-bears/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/open-season/118/ Hollywood Eco-terrorists Support Right to Arm Bears 2010-01-04T07:40:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 117 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/10/06/%e2%80%9coperation-backfire%e2%80%9d-pleas-bargains-admission-of-guilt-or-a-survival-strategy/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/backfire-plea-bargains/117/ “Operation Backfire” Plea Bargains: Admission of Guilt, or a Survival Strategy? 2010-01-04T07:40:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 119 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta-analysis-109th/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta-analysis-109th/ Analysis of Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act 2010-01-04T07:40:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 120 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/10/10/could-this-legislation-label-you-a-terrorist/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/could-this-legislation-label-you-a-terrorist/120/ Could This Legislation Label You a “Terrorist”? 2010-01-04T07:40:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 405 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=405 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/california/405/ Breaking News: New “Green Scare” Legislation Pending in California
NOTE: There is a hearing on this legislation on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 in the Judiciary Committee, Room 4202, at 8 a.m. or perhaps later (you can view what else is on the schedule here).
California has been a hotbed of both legal and illegal activity in the name of animal righ]]> 2010-01-04T07:40:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 121 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/10/11/aeta-midterm-elections/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta-midterm-elections/121/ Get Ready for an “Eco-terrorism” Bum Rush in Congress Next Month 2010-01-04T07:40:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 122 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/10/17/interview-on-vegan-freak-radio-about-the-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/interview-veganfreak/122/ Interview on Vegan Freak Radio about the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act 2010-01-04T07:40:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 123 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/10/19/ill-be-speaking-at-the-la-county-bar-association-on-eco-terrorism-legislation/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ill-be-speaking-at-the-la-county-bar-association-on-eco-terrorism-legislation/123/ I’ll Be Speaking at the L.A. County Bar Association on “Eco-terrorism” Legislation 2010-01-04T07:40:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 124 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/10/19/greenscare-day-of-action/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/greenscare-day-of-action/124/ Activists Call for Day of Action Against the Green Scare 2010-01-04T07:41:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 126 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/its-time-to-stop-the-aeta-satya/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/satya-aeta-editorial/ “It’s Time to Stop the AETA,” Satya 2010-01-04T07:41:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 127 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/10/30/satya-guest-editorial-aeta/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/satya-guest-editorial-aeta/127/ Guest Editorial on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act in Satya Magazine 2010-01-04T07:41:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 128 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/02/prosecuting-intent-turning-vandalism-into-eco-terrorism/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/prosecuting-intent-turning-vandalism-into-eco-terrorism/128/ Prosecuting Ideology: Turning “Vandalism” into “Eco-Terrorism” 2010-01-04T07:41:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 130 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/02/home-raids-of-animal-rights-activists-in-los-angeles/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/home-raids-of-animal-rights-activists-in-los-angeles/130/ Homes of Animal Rights Activists Raided in Los Angeles 2010-01-04T07:41:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 136 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/06/2006-trac-report/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006-trac-report/136/ DOJ Rejects 87 percent of FBI’s Terrorism Cases 2010-01-04T07:41:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 135 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/11/coronado-motion-dismiss-sandiego/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/coronado-motion-dismiss-sandiego/135/ Coronado’s Attorney Asks for Dismissal of Case on First Amendment Grounds 2010-01-04T07:41:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 132 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/11/behind-mask-criminal-offense/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/behind-mask-criminal-offense/132/ UK Officials Say Screening “Eco-terrorism” Documentary Could Be A Criminal Offense 2010-01-04T07:41:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 137 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/13/newstandard-aeta/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/newstandard-aeta/137/ Article on “Eco-terrorism” Legislation from The NewStandard 2010-01-04T07:41:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 138 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/13/aeta-on-suspension-calendar/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta-on-suspension-calendar/138/ URGENT: AETA on Track to Pass House Today 2010-01-04T07:41:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 140 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/13/urgent-misinformation-campaigns-on-aeta/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/urgent-misinformation-campaigns-on-aeta/140/ URGENT: Misinformation Campaigns on AETA 2010-01-04T07:41:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 141 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/13/animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-passes/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-passes/141/ Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act Passes 2010-01-04T07:41:13Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 142 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/13/house-passes-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-with-little-discussion-or-dissent/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta-passes-house-recap/142/ House Passes Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act With Little Discussion or Dissent: Notes from the House Floor “Debate” 2010-01-04T07:41:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2441 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2441 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/scott-demuth-statement-animal-enterprise-terrorism-charges/2441/ Grad Student Indicted on Terrorism Charges DeMuth has been indicted for conspiracy to commit “animal enterprise]]> 2010-01-04T07:41:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2447 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2447 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/state-eco-terrorism-legislation-alec/2447/ State-Level “Eco-Terror” Legislation Pushed by Corporate Front Groups 2010-01-04T07:41:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 143 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/13/ill-be-on-wbai-in-nyc-tomorrow-morning-talking-about-green-scare-legislation/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ill-be-on-wbai-in-nyc-tomorrow-morning-talking-about-green-scare-legislation/143/ I’ll Be on WBAI in NYC Tomorrow Morning, Talking About Green Scare Legislation 2010-01-04T07:41:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 144 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/13/animal-activist-faces-contempt-charges-for-resisting-grand-jury-witch-hunt/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/animal-activist-faces-contempt-charges-for-resisting-grand-jury-witch-hunt/144/ Animal Activist Faces Contempt Charges for Resisting Grand Jury Witch Hunt 2010-01-04T07:41:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 146 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/15/audio-of-interview-on-wbai-fm-on-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/wbai-aeta/146/ Audio of Interview on WBAI-FM, on Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act 2010-01-04T07:41:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 147 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/15/media-blackout-on-green-scare-legislation/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/media-blackout-on-green-scare-legislation/147/ Media Blackout on Green Scare Legislation 2010-01-04T07:41:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 148 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/16/shac-begin-sentence/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-begin-sentence/148/ War is Peace: How “Eco-terrorist” Scare-mongering Helped Pass the AETA 2010-01-04T07:41:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 149 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/18/activist-resisting-grand-jury-witch-hunt-released-from-jail/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/activist-resisting-grand-jury-witch-hunt-released-from-jail/149/ Activist Resisting Grand Jury Witch Hunt Released From Jail 2010-01-04T07:41:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 151 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/donate/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/donate/ Donate 2010-01-04T07:41:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 153 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/21/help-keep-greenisthenewredcom-growing/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/help-keep-greenisthenewredcom-growing/153/ Help Keep GreenIsTheNewRed.com Growing! 2010-01-04T07:41:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 154 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/subscribe/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/subscribe/ Subscribe 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Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 159 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/27/ill-be-on-kfai-903-fm-in-minneapolis-tomorrow-for-a-show-on-the-green-scare-and-the-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/kfai/159/ I’ll Be on KFAI 90.3 FM in Minneapolis Tomorrow For a Show on the Green Scare and the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act 2010-01-04T07:41:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 157 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/27/ill-be-on-kjfk-in-reno-discussing-the-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-today/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/kjfk-reno/157/ I’ll Be on KJFK in Reno Discussing the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act Today 2010-01-04T07:41:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 158 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/27/interview-on-kpft-houston-on-the-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-with-audio/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/interview-on-kpft/158/ Interview on KPFT Houston on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (Audio Available) 2010-01-04T07:41:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 161 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/28/ill-be-speaking-in-the-twin-cities-dec-7-on-the-green-scare/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/minneapolis-event/161/ I’ll Be Speaking in the Twin Cities Dec. 7 About the Green Scare 2010-01-04T07:41:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 166 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/28/wisconsin-primate-victory/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/wisconsin-primate-victory/166/ Wisconsin Victory for Activists Draws Attention to Green Scare Legislation 2010-01-04T07:41:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 162 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/28/upi-article-on-animal-enterprise-terrorism-acts-passage-potter-quoted/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/upi-aeta-passage/162/ UPI Article on Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act’s Passage, Potter Quoted 2010-01-04T07:41:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 165 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/28/where-was-the-aclu-when-green-scare-legislation-passed-congress-3/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/where-was-the-aclu/165/ Where Was the ACLU When Green Scare Legislation Passed Congress? 2010-01-04T07:41:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 170 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/30/gnr-in-sf-weekly-on-the-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-boycott-feinstein/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/sf-weekly-aeta/170/ GNR in SF Weekly on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, “Boycott Feinstein” 2010-01-04T07:41:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 171 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/30/so-much-for-deterrence-more-illegal-actions-dedicated-to-shac-7-and-political-prisoners/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/so-much-for-deterrence/171/ So Much for Deterrence: More Illegal Actions Dedicated to SHAC 7 and Political Prisoners 2010-01-04T07:41:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 172 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/11/30/172/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta-protest-mass/172/ Activists Target U.S. Rep. Over “Eco-terrorism” Legislation—And Get Quick Results 2010-01-04T07:41:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 175 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/01/gingrich-says-different-set-of-rules-needed-for-free-speech-in-war-on-terrorism/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/gingrich-says-different-set-of-rules-needed-for-free-speech-in-war-on-terrorism/175/ Gingrich Says “Different Set of Rules” Needed for Free Speech in War on Terrorism 2010-01-04T07:41:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 174 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/01/statement-from-kucinich-on-the-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/kucinich-aeta-statement/174/ Statement from Kucinich on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act 2010-01-04T07:41:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 173 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/01/fl-protest/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/green-scare-events/173/ Activists Organize Against Green Scare: 42 Events in 29 Cities This Week 2010-01-04T07:41:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 177 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/02/schumacher-aeta/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/schumacher-aeta/177/ Struggling Fur Salon Owner Says “Eco-terrorism” Legislation Should Be Used Against Protests 2010-01-04T07:41:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 180 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/satya-chilling-effect/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/satya-chilling-effect/ “The Chilling Effect,” Satya 2010-01-04T07:41:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 182 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/06/new-article-in-satya-on-the-chilling-effect-of-eco-terror-rhetoric-and-legislation/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/new-article-in-satya/182/ New Article in Satya on the Chilling Effect of “Eco-terror” Rhetoric and Legislation 2010-01-04T07:41:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 183 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/10/colorado-demo/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/green-scare-highlights/183/ Activists Organizing Worldwide Against “Eco-terrorism” Rhetoric and the Green Scare 2010-01-04T07:41:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 184 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/10/184/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/cartoon/184/ Cartoon on Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act in “Minimum Security” 2010-01-04T07:41:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 179 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/02/animal-advocates-lay-groundwork-to-fight-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/mission-accomplished/179/ New McCarthyists Proclaim “Mission Accomplished”: Activists Lay Groundwork to Fight AETA 2010-01-04T07:41:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 187 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/14/eco-terror-legislation-not-slowing-underground-or-aboveground-activists/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac7-underground-aboveground/187/ “Eco-terror” Legislation Not Slowing Underground or Aboveground Activists 2010-01-04T07:41:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 188 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/14/new-mccarthyists-say-soy-makes-you-gay-and-charlottes-web-is-animal-rights-extremism/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/gay-soy-charlottes-web/188/ Tofu Makes You Gay and Charlotte’s Web is Animal Rights Extremism 2010-01-04T07:41:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 181 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/06/el-paso-interview/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/el-paso-interview/181/ McCarthyism 2.0: Interview on El Paso Radio 2010-01-04T07:41:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 189 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/15/green-scare-banner-drop-in-milwaukee/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/green-scare-banner-drop-in-milwaukee/189/ Green Scare “Banner Drop” in Milwaukee 2010-01-04T07:42:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 190 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2006/12/15/new-yorkers-have-such-class/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/new-yorkers-have-such-class/190/ New Yorkers Have Such Class 2010-01-04T07:42:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 191 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/01/03/even-supporters-of-eco-terrorism-legislation-confused-about-its-purpose/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta-supporters-confused/191/ Even Supporters of “Eco-terrorism” Legislation Confused About Its Purpose 2010-01-04T07:42:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 193 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/01/03/detention-camps/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/detention-camps/193/ Project Censored: Halliburton Subsidiary to Build Detention Camps in U.S. 2010-01-04T07:42:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 194 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/01/03/nyse-announces-deal-to-protect-corporations-from-activists/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/lsri-arca/194/ NYSE Announces Deal to Protect Corporations From Activists 2010-01-04T07:42:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 299 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/01/03/cia-targets-ninjas/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/cia-targets-ninjas/299/ CIA Targets Ninjas 2010-01-04T07:42:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 195 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/01/06/shac-7-doin-time-without-doing-a-crime/ greenisthenewred 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on Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act in the Earth First Journal 2010-01-04T07:42:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 201 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/map/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/map/ Map 2010-01-04T07:42:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 203 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/01/24/state-of-the-union/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/state-of-the-union/203/ No Mention of “the No. 1 Domestic Terrorism Threat” in State of the Union 2010-01-04T07:42:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 202 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/01/24/andy-griffith/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/andy-griffith/202/ I Don’t Know About Barney Fife, But Andy Griffith Would Probably Oppose the Green Scare 2010-01-04T07:42:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 205 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/01/25/uw-law-school-event/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/uw-law-school-event/205/ “The Green Scare: Eco-Activism and the Age of Terror” at University of Washington Law School 2010-01-04T07:42:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 204 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/01/25/yale-law-school-event-on-the-green-scare/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/yale-law-school-event-on-the-green-scare/204/ Yale Law School Event on the Green Scare 2010-01-04T07:42:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 207 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/02/02/all-ar-activists-terrorists/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/all-ar-activists-terrorists/207/ “Calling yourself an animal rights activist is a glorified way of defining yourself as a domestic terror threat.” 2010-01-04T07:42:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 206 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/02/02/first-activist-convicted-under-animal-enterprise-protection-act-released-from-prison/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/first-activist-convicted-under-animal-enterprise-protection-act-released-from-prison/206/ First Activist Convicted Under Animal Enterprise Protection Act Released From Prison 2010-01-04T07:42:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 208 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/02/06/green-scare-event-at-american-university-law-school-today/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/green-scare-event-at-american-university-law-school-today/208/ Green Scare Event at American University Law School Today 2010-01-04T07:42:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 209 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/02/16/lunchtime-green-scare-event-at-nyu-march-7/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/nyu-green-scare/209/ Lunchtime Green Scare Event at 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Kucinich 2010-01-04T07:42:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 811 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=811 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/pat-boone-warns-of-sexual-jihadists-and-homo-grown-terrorists/811/ Pat Boone Warns of “Sexual Jihadists” and HOMO-grown “Terrorists” Gay people who want to get married!
From Pat Boone’s column in WorldNetDaily%3]]> 2010-01-04T07:42:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 219 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/03/22/recap-of-congressional-briefing-on-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/congressional-briefing-recap/219/ Recap of Congressional Briefing on Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act 2010-01-04T07:42:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 220 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/03/27/lantern-essay/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/lantern-essay/220/ Green Scare Essay Wins in Lantern Books Contest 2010-01-04T07:42:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 221 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/mccarthyism-20-lantern-books/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/mccarthyism-20/ “McCarthyism 2.0,” Lantern Books 2010-01-04T07:42:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 222 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/04/10/tre-arrow-sentence-overturned/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/luers-sentence-overturned/222/ Luers’ “Eco-terrorism” Sentence Overturned: Did the Court Go Far Enough? 2010-01-04T07:42:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 223 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/04/12/other-green-scare/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/other-green-scare/223/ The “Other” Green Scare? 2010-01-04T07:42:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 314 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/11/29/chef-calls-vegetarians-terrorists/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/chef-calls-vegetarians-terrorists/314/ Chef Calls Vegetarians “Terrorist Scum” GreenIsTheNewRed.com I was actually concerned about the site being too much of a “specialty” publication. 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http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/04/13/1-domestic-terrorist-threat-doesnt-make-top-25-in-list-of-people-screwing-up-america/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/screwing-up-america/232/ Greens are “#1 Domestic Terrorism Threat”… After Michael Moore 2010-01-04T07:42:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 233 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/04/24/nyc-bar/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/nyc-bar/233/ NYC Bar Association Event on Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act 2010-01-04T07:42:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 235 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/05/11/terrorism-enhancement-hearing/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorism-enhancement-hearing/235/ Government Seeks “Terrorism Enhancement” for Environmental Activists 2010-01-04T07:42:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 234 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/05/11/te-press-conference/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/te-press-conference/234/ “Terrorism Enhancement” Hearing Rally and Press Conference 2010-01-04T07:42:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 236 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/05/14/add-this-greenisthenewredcom-blog-viewer-to-your-website-or-myspace/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/add-this-greenisthenewredcom-blog-viewer-to-your-website-or-myspace/236/ Add this GreenIsTheNewRed.com Blog Viewer to Your Website or MySpace 2010-01-04T07:42:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 238 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/05/21/new-green-scare-flier/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/new-green-scare-flier/238/ New Green Scare Flier 2010-01-04T07:42:56Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 239 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/05/21/more-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-myths-and-sidestepping/ greenisthenewred 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greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/chicago-event/241/ Hey Chicago: Green Scare Presentation this Saturday 2010-01-04T07:43:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 242 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/05/24/meyerhoff-sentenced/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/paul-oped/242/ “My Brother, The ‘Terrorist’” 2010-01-04T07:43:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 244 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/05/24/schumacher-loses-suit/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/schumacher-loses-suit/244/ Fur Shop Owners Rebuked in Lawsuit Against Protestors 2010-01-04T07:43:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 243 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/05/24/meyerhoff-sentenced/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/meyerhoff-sentenced/243/ First Operation Backfire Defendant Sentenced as “Terrorist” 2010-01-04T12:43:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 245 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/05/24/nature-editorial/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/nature-editorial/245/ Editorial in ‘Nature’ Against Green Scare 2010-01-04T12:43:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 246 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/05/30/eugene-speaking-event/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/eugene-speaking-event/246/ “Green is the New Red” Event in Eugene This Friday 2010-01-04T07:43:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 247 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/06/27/peta-sicko/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-sicko/247/ Making Friends 2010-01-04T07:43:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 248 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/06/27/former-bush-administration-prosecutor-calls-eco-terrorist-label-overreaching/ greenisthenewred 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on Air America Tomorrow 2010-01-04T07:43:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 252 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/07/13/ar2007/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ar2007/252/ “Green Scare” and AETA at the Animal Rights Conference Next Week 2010-01-04T07:43:50Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 253 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/07/15/updated-analysis-of-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/updated-analysis-of-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act/253/ Updated Analysis of Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act 2010-01-04T07:43:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 254 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/07/27/shac7-panel-audio/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac7-panel-audio/254/ Audio of SHAC 7 Panel Discussion 2010-01-04T07:43:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 255 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will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 262 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/07/28/final-nail/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/final-nail/262/ New Website Lists Addresses for Animal Industries 2010-01-04T07:44:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 406 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=406 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/proposa/406/ Proposing New Legislation to Protect Public Information An am]]> 2010-01-04T07:44:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 263 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/07/28/feud-not-protesters-fueled-fall-of-schumacher-furs/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/feud-not-protesters-fueled-fall-of-schumacher-furs/263/ “Feud, not protesters, fueled fall of Schumacher Furs” 2010-01-04T07:44:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 264 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/07/29/eco-anxiety/ greenisthenewred 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Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 269 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/08/02/paul-sentenced/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/paul-sentenced/269/ Paul Sentenced to 4 Years… and a Book Report 2010-01-04T07:44:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 270 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/08/04/burnout/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/burnout/270/ New Comic Book on “Eco-terrorism” From Marvel Imprint 2010-01-04T07:44:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 272 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/08/07/nlg-report/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/nlg-report/272/ New Report from National Lawyer’s Guild, With Section on “Applying Terrorist Label to Activists” 2010-01-04T07:44:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 273 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/08/14/priorities/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/priorities/273/ Priorities, 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Sues ASPCA Using Mafia Law 2010-01-04T07:44:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 283 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/09/07/spying-cause-americans-die/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/spying-cause-americans-die/283/ National Intelligence Director: Debating Spying Will Cause Americans to Die 2010-01-04T07:44:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 284 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/09/10/coronados-free-speech-trial-starts-today/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/coronado-trial/284/ Coronado’s Free Speech Trial Starts Today 2010-01-04T07:44:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 285 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/09/11/grand-jury-update/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/grand-jury-update/285/ Two Minneapolis Grand Jury Subpoenas Dropped 2010-01-04T07:44:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 286 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309 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/11/14/georgetown/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/georgetown/309/ Georgetown Law School Event on Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act 2010-01-04T07:44:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 311 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/11/17/obama/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/obama/311/ Obama on “Eco-terrorism” 2010-01-04T07:44:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 312 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/11/17/lubbock/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/lubbock/312/ Community Service for a “Global Incident of Terrorism” 2010-01-04T07:44:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 313 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/11/17/aeta-101/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta-101/313/ “Animal Enterprise Terrorism 101″ in Herbivore Magazine 2010-01-04T07:44:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 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will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 334 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/01/14/waters-coronado-dates/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/waters-coronado-dates/334/ Two Big Court Dates Coming Up for Green Scare Cases 2010-01-04T07:44:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 335 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/01/16/facebook/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/facebook/335/ Add “Green Scare” on Facebook 2010-01-04T07:44:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 338 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/01/16/nlg-philly/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/nlg-philly/338/ National Lawyer’s Guild Regional Conference, Philly 2010-01-04T07:44:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 336 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/01/16/bullhorn-compassion-not-terrorism/ greenisthenewred 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127.0.0.1 342 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/01/23/ut-austin/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ut-austin/342/ University of Texas at Austin 2010-01-04T07:45:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 343 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/01/23/remembering-mlk-the-terrorist/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/remembering-mlk-the-terrorist/343/ Remembering MLK the “Terrorist” 2010-01-04T07:45:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 345 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/01/24/new-features/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/new-features/345/ New Features on GreenIsTheNewRed.com 2010-01-04T07:45:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 289 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2007/10/14/top-stories/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/top-stories/289/ “Number One Terrorism Threat” Doesn’t Make Top 20 News Stories of 2007 2010-01-04T07:45:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 344 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/01/24/indypendent/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/indypendent/344/ Good Refresher on “Operation Backfire” in the Indypendent 2010-01-04T07:45:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 347 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/02/05/ghost-mice-erik-petersen-and-more-tba-benefit-show/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ghost-mice-erik-petersen-and-more-tba-benefit-show/347/ Ghost Mice, Erik Petersen and More TBA Benefit Show 2010-01-04T07:45:06Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 349 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/02/10/interview-with-the-abolitionist-on-eco-terrorism-legislation/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/interview-with-the-abolitionist-on-eco-terrorism-legislation/349/ Interview with “The Abolitionist” on “Eco-terrorism” Legislation 2010-01-04T07:45:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 350 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/02/23/kpft-houston-interview-on-green-scare/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/kpft-houston-interview-on-green-scare/350/ KPFT Houston Interview on “Green Scare” 2010-01-04T07:45:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 352 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/02/23/now-on-the-lineup-at-evil-twin-booking-agency/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/now-on-the-lineup-at-evil-twin-booking-agency/352/ Now on the Lineup at Evil Twin Booking Agency… 2010-01-04T07:45:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 354 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/02/23/my-name-is-dave-im-an-ecoterrorist/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/my-name-is-dave-im-an-ecoterrorist/354/ “My Name is Dave, I’m an Ecoterrorist” 2010-01-04T07:45:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 353 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Developing Story: FBI, DHS Raids and Arrest in Cincinnati 2010-01-04T07:45:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 377 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/03/11/michigan-arrests/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/michigan-arrests/377/ Breaking News: 4 Charged in Michigan “Eco-terrorism” Arson 2010-01-04T07:45:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 378 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/03/11/background-on-the-michigan-state-university-arson-from-elf-press-office/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/background-on-the-michigan-state-university-arson-from-elf-press-office/378/ Background on the Michigan State University Arson, From ELF Press Office 2010-01-04T07:45:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 380 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/03/11/msu-arons-labeled-terrorism-2000/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/msu-arons-labeled-terrorism-2000/380/ Press, Feds Labeled Michigan State University Arson “Terrorism” in 2000 2010-01-04T07:45:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 382 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/03/12/feds-cell-phones/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/feds-cell-phones/382/ Feds Testing Technology to Film “Terrorists” With Cell Phones 2010-01-04T07:45:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 383 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/03/12/worcester-program/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/worcester-program/383/ “Green Scare” Program in Worcester 2010-01-04T07:45:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 384 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/2008/03/12/watson-shot/ greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/watson-shot/384/ Whalers Call Paul Watson “Eco-Terrorist,” Then Shoot Him 2010-01-04T07:45:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 388 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2010-01-04T07:45:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 399 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=399 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/let-live/399/ “Let Live” Conference, Portland, OR 2010-01-04T07:45:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 397 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=397 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/mcmillan-eco-terroris/397/ A Cartoon With a Slightly Different Take on Things 2010-01-04T07:45:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 407 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=407 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/upcoming-green-scare-benefits/407/ Upcoming “Green Scare” Benefits–What Are You Organizing? 2010-01-04T07:45:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 415 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=415 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/another-green-scare-benefit/415/ Another “Green Scare” Benefit 2010-01-04T07:45:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 404 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=404 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/because-spray-painting-a-hummer-is-just-like-911/404/ Because Spray-painting a Hummer is Just Like 9/11 2010-01-04T07:45:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 402 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=402 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/movie/402/ Zombies, Matt Damon and “Eco-terrorism” 2010-01-04T07:45:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 417 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=417 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/mask-felon/417/ “Joint Terrorism Task Force” Arrests Activist on Felony Charge for Wearing a Mask 2010-01-04T07:45:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 422 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=422 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/indypendent-2/422/ It’s Not Over: An Update 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Elle Glams Up the Green Scare…And Issues a Retraction? 2010-01-04T07:45:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 425 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=425 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/donate-for-flier/425/ Chip in a Few Dollars and Let’s Print These Fliers! 2010-01-04T07:45:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 428 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=428 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/norwegian-culture-jamming/428/ Norwegian Culture Jamming 2010-01-04T07:45:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 427 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=427 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/mandel/427/ Nelson Mandela on Terrorist Watchlist 2010-01-04T07:45:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 433 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=433 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/burger-with-a-side-of-spies/433/ “Burger With a Side of 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will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 435 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=435 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/upcoming-events-with-marie-mason-and-derrick-jensen/435/ Upcoming Events with Marie Mason and Derrick Jensen 2010-01-04T07:46:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 436 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=436 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/mothers-day-project-for-green-scare-defendant/436/ Mother’s Day Project for Green Scare Defendant 2010-01-04T07:46:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 437 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=437 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/fbi-informant-vegan-potluck/437/ FBI Looking for Informants to Infiltrate Vegan Potlucks 2010-01-04T07:46:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 438 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=438 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/youtubed/438/ 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will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 443 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=443 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-comedy/443/ SHAC Terrorism Case… As a Comedy? 2010-01-04T07:46:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 445 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=445 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/linking-obama-to-eco-terrorists/445/ Linking Obama to “Eco-terrorists” 2010-01-04T07:46:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 448 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=448 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/eco-terrorism-romance-novel/448/ “Eco-terrorism” Romance Novel 2010-01-04T07:46:13Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 447 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=447 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/grand-jur/447/ Another Grand Jury? 2010-01-04T07:46:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 452 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Josh Harper of the SHAC 7 2010-01-04T07:46:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 459 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=459 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/animal-activist-detained-at-border/459/ Animal Advocate Detained, Searched, Questioned at Canadian Border about Activism 2010-01-04T07:46:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 465 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=465 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/dispelling-some-big-brother-myths/465/ Dispelling Some Big Brother Myths 2010-01-04T07:46:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 403 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=403 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/billboard-liberation-front/403/ AT&T Works in More Places, Like NSA Headquarters 2010-01-04T07:46:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 464 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=464 greenisthenewred 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will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 511 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=511 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/man-drives-over-bicyclists-then-calls-them-eco-terrorists/511/ Man Drives Over Bicyclists, Then Calls Them “Eco-terrorists” 2010-01-04T07:46:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 522 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=522 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/government-arrests-activists-for-8-year-old-elf-action-daniel-mcgowan-refused-to-cooperate-with-grand-jury-witchhunt/522/ Government Arrests Activists for 8-year-old ELF Action; Daniel McGowan Refused to Cooperate with Grand Jury Witchhunt 2010-01-04T07:46:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 513 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=513 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/foa-protest-peta/513/ While the Government Continues Attacks on Activists, Animal Rights Groups Protest Each Other 2010-01-04T07:46:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 540 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=540 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/hsus-green-scare-donation/540/ Humane Society Donates Money to “Eco-Terrorism” Witch Hunt, But Not Enough to Protect It From the Green Scare 2010-01-04T07:46:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 560 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=560 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/state-department-powerpoint-corporations/560/ U.S. State Department Warns Corporations: “Never confront the protesters…most of them know what their rights are” 2010-01-04T07:46:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 398 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?page_id=398 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/green-scare/ What is the “Green Scare”? 2010-01-04T07:46:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 588 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=588 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/an-introduction-to-the-green-scare/588/ An Introduction to the Green Scare 2010-01-04T07:47:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 true 591 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=591 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorism-task-force-involved-in-rnc-attacks-on-journalists-attorneys-activists/591/ Terrorism Task Force Involved in RNC Attacks on Journalists, Attorneys, Activists 2010-01-04T07:47:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 624 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=624 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/kboo-rnc/624/ Radio Show this Morning on RNC Raids, Arrests and the Police State 2010-01-04T07:47:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 627 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=627 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/eco-terrorism-grand-jury-witch-hunt-in-pa-and-flashbacks-of-the-red-scare/627/ 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will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 557 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=557 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/flickr-group-and-burnout-comi/557/ Green Scare Flickr Group, and an “Eco-terrorist” Teen Love Story 2010-01-04T07:47:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 658 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=658 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/bob-barker-video-supporting-the-terrorist-animal-liberation-front/658/ Bob Barker Video Supporting the “Terrorist” Animal Liberation Front 2010-01-04T07:47:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 688 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=688 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/mlk-speech-on-civil-disobedience-i-mean-terrorism/688/ MLK Speech on Civil Disobedience, I mean, “Terrorism” 2010-01-04T07:47:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 691 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=691 greenisthenewred 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“Domestic Terrorists” 2010-01-04T07:47:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 708 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=708 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/truth-about-rnc-dnc-protest-violence/708/ The Truth About Violence at the RNC and DNC Protests 2010-01-04T07:47:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 536 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=536 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/nuns-terrorist/536/ Nuns Put on “Domestic Terrorist” List 2010-01-04T07:47:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 721 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=721 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/student-arrested-as-terrorist-for-writing-about-zombies/721/ Student Arrested As “Terrorist” For Writing About Zombies 2010-01-04T07:47:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 727 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=727 greenisthenewred 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Office Returns, Issues Warning to Obama 2010-01-04T07:47:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 747 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=747 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/fbi-puts-eco-terrorists-above-osama-and-assassination-attempts/747/ FBI: “Eco-terrorists” Are Bigger Threat Than Osama bin Laden, Hate Crimes, and Attempts to Assassinate Obama 2010-01-04T07:47:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 753 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=753 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/bank-to-eco-terrorists-dont-worry-well-take-your-money-too/753/ Bank to “Eco-Terrorists”: Don’t worry, we’ll take your money, too! 2010-01-04T07:47:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 760 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=760 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/eco-terrorist-lol-cat/760/ “Eco-Terrorist” LOL Cat? 2010-01-04T07:47:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 772 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=772 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/fbi-still-investigating-traffic-jam-from-4-years-ago/772/ FBI Still Investigating Traffic Jam From 4 Years Ago 2010-01-04T07:47:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 774 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=774 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/full-page-new-york-times-ad-calls-humane-society-terrorists/774/ Full-page New York Times Ad Calls Humane Society “Terrorists” 2010-01-04T07:47:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 782 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=782 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorists-in-new-york-times-ad-wild-bullhorns-decorated-with-cartoon-piggies/782/ “Terrorists” in New York Times Ad Wield Bullhorns Decorated with Cartoon Piggies 2010-01-04T07:48:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 834 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=834 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City 2010-01-04T07:48:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 858 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=858 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/music-video-by-against-me-about-eric-mcdavid-and-anna-the-fbi-informant/858/ Music Video by “Against Me!” About Eric McDavid and Anna the FBI Informant 2010-01-04T07:48:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 894 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=894 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/el-verde-es-el-nuevo-rojo-green-scare-interview-with-will-potter-spanish/894/ “El Verde Es El Nuevo Rojo”: Green Scare Interview with Will Potter, English and Spanish 2010-01-04T07:48:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 904 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=904 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/recap-of-the-stop-huntingdon-animal-cruelty-terrorism-appeal-in-philadelphia/904/ Recap of the Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty “Terrorism” Appeal in Philadelphia 2010-01-04T07:48:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 911 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=911 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/vegan-terrorists-eat-hummus-just-like-al-qaeda/911/ Vegan Terrorists Eat Hummus, Just Like Al Qaeda 2010-01-04T07:48:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 916 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=916 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/minneapolis-the-green-scare-using-terrorism-laws-to-silence-political-activists/916/ Minneapolis: The Green Scare — Using Terrorism Laws to Silence Political Activists 2010-01-04T07:48:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 925 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=925 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/herbivore-magazine-article-on-the-shac-7/925/ Herbivore Magazine Article on the SHAC 7: “The World Takes? How corporations and politicians turned animal rights activists into terrorists” 2010-01-04T07:48:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 930 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=930 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/obama-silencing-dissent-is-on-wrong-side-of-history/930/ Obama: “Silencing Dissent” is on “Wrong Side of History” 2010-01-04T07:48:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 938 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=938 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-uk-animal-activists-sentenced-to-11-years-for-conspiracy-to-blackmail/938/ Activism Labeled “Blackmail,” UK Animal Activists Sentenced to 4-11 Years in Prison 2010-01-04T07:48:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 948 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=948 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/center-for-consumer-founder-rick-berman-called-despicable-by-son/948/ Head of Center for Consumer Freedom Called a “Despicable Man” by His Own Son 2010-01-04T07:48:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 963 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=963 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/south-dakota-eco-terrorism-law-shot-down-as-unnecessary/963/ South Dakota “Eco-terrorism” Law Shot Down as Unnecessary 2010-01-04T07:48:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 969 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=969 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/jeff-luers-speaks-on-the-green-scare-and-being-labeled-an-eco-terrorist/969/ Jeff Luers Speaks on the Green Scare, and Being Labeled an “Eco-Terrorist” 2010-01-04T07:48:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 997 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=997 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/bloomberg-say-terrorist-groundhogs-being-trained-by-al-qaeda/997/ Bloomberg Say Terrorist Groundhogs Being Trained by Al-Qaeda 2010-01-04T07:48:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 993 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=993 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/marie-mason-refusal-to-snitch/993/ Feds Hope to Set an Example With “Eco-terrorist” Who Refused to Snitch: Marie Mason Faces 20 Years 2010-01-04T07:48:36Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1008 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1008 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/william-mitchell-aeta-law-event/1008/ Minneapolis Event: “The Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act: Examining the Chilling Effect of Eco-Terrorism Legislation” 2010-01-04T07:48:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1011 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1011 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/government-7-step-process-for-convicting-environmentalists-as-terrorists/1011/ The Government’s 7-Step Process for Convicting Environmentalists as Terrorists 2010-01-04T07:48:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1023 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1023 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/marie-mason-sentenced/1023/ Environmentalist Sentenced to 21 Years as a “Terrorist”; Violent Racists Receive Half That 2010-01-04T07:48:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1034 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1034 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/utah-bill-would-make-tim-dechristopher-eco-terrorist/1034/ Utah Bill Would Make Environmentalists Like Tim DeChristopher “Eco-Terrorists” 2010-01-04T07:48:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 983 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=983 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/hunter-s-thompson-resistingface-of-the-green-scare/983/ Hunter S. Thompson’s Wisdom on Courage in the Face of the Green Scare 2010-01-04T07:48:50Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1048 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1048 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/government-says-protesting-republicans-is-terrorism-but-bombing-the-oklahoma-city-bombing-isnt-audio/1048/ Government Says Protesting Republicans is Terrorism, but Bombing the Oklahoma City Building Isn’t (Audio) 2010-01-04T07:48:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1055 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1055 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/connecting-rnc-8-green-scare/1055/ Connecting the RNC 8 “Terrorism” Case to the Green Scare 2010-01-04T07:48:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1062 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1062 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/minnesota-daily-potter/1062/ “They are going after the most vocal and public figures, and that’s certainly who the RNC8 were” 2010-01-04T07:48:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1070 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1070 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta-arrests/1070/ FBI Arrests 4 Activists as “Terrorists” for Chalking Slogans, Leafleting and Protesting 2010-01-04T07:48:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1082 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1082 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/5-reasons-for-activists-to-cover-their-faces-at-protests/1082/ 5 Reasons for Activists to Cover Their Faces at Protests 2010-01-04T07:48:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1088 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1088 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/fbi-5-step-process-to-criminalize-first-amendment-activity-as-terrorism/1088/ FBI’s 5-Step Process to Criminalize First Amendment Activity as “Terrorism” 2010-01-04T07:49:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1096 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1096 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/fbi-surveillance-activist-leafleting/1096/ FBI Agent: Video Surveillance Used to Track Activist Leafleting 2010-01-04T07:49:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1114 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1114 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/snitch-hunt/1114/ Snitch Hunt 2010-01-04T07:49:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1126 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1126 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/eco-terrorism-for-the-masses/1126/ Are Mainstream Environmentalists Supporting “Eco-terrorism” Against Climate Change This Weekend? 2010-01-04T07:49:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1133 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1133 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-sentence-al-qaeda/1133/ Environmentalist Receives Higher Prison Sentence than Al-Qaeda Operative 2010-01-04T07:49:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1143 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?page_id=1143 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta/ Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (AETA) 2010-01-04T07:49:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1153 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1153 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-walkthrough/1153/ How Does the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act Work? 2010-01-04T07:49:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1158 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1158 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/dear-congress-aeta/1158/ Dear Congress: You Lied to Me About the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act 2010-01-04T07:49:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1180 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1180 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/conservatives-and-terrorist-label/1180/ 5 Reasons Why Republicans Should Care About the Government Labeling Activists “Terrorists” 2010-01-04T07:49:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1196 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1196 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/utah-animal-rights-terrorism-arrests/1196/ 2 Animal Rights Activists Arrested as “Terrorists” for Freeing Mink in Utah 2010-01-04T07:49:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 988 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=988 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/naomi-wolf-video/988/ They Start With “Eco-terrorists,” then There’s a “Blurring of the Lines” 2010-01-04T07:49:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1122 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1122 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/utah-aeta-arrests-response/1122/ Utah Activists Resisting “Animal Enterprise Terrorism” Witch Hunts 2010-01-04T07:49:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1220 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1220 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/portland-aeta-4-benefit/1220/ Portland Benefit for the AETA 4, Activists Facing “Animal Enterprise Terrorism” Charges 2010-01-04T07:49:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1215 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1215 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/10-easy-ways-to-be-labeled-a-%e2%80%9cterrorist%e2%80%9d-by-the-government/1215/ 10 Easy Ways to Be Labeled a “Terrorist” by the Government 2010-01-04T07:49:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1227 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1227 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/corporate-front-group-warns-petas-new-neighbors-of-violence/1227/ Corporate Front Group Warns PETA’s New Neighbors of “Violence” 2010-01-04T07:49:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2247 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2247 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/military-pull-activist-into-unmarked-car-g20-protests/2247/ Military Pull Activist Into Unmarked Car at G20 Protests Police in Pittsburgh have been rolling out their new toys and dressing up like stormtroopers at the G20 protests. (Much more at Pittsburgh Indymedia).There have been reports of direct action in the streets, with activists rolling dumpsters into the paths of oncoming riot police and police p]]> 2010-01-04T07:49:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 1232 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1232 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/portland-flier-animal-rights-terrorists/1232/ Why Aren’t Terrorists Protesting the Gay Vegan Hemp Store? 2010-01-04T07:49:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1496 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1496 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/jordan-halliday-jailed-grand-jury/1496/ FBI Admits Utah Grand Jury May Lead to ALF “Sympathy Attacks” 2010-01-04T07:49:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1512 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1512 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/drake-university-green-scar/1512/ Drake University Green Scare Lecture 2010-01-04T07:49:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1488 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1488 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/carrie-underwood-hsus/1488/ American Idol Star Carrie Underwood Accused of “Supporting Domestic Terrorists” 2010-01-04T07:49:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1520 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1520 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/good-time-bill/1520/ “Good Time Bill” Could Reduce Prison Times for Environmentalists and Animal Rights Activists 2010-01-04T07:49:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1657 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1657 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/animal-rights-activists-indicted-as-terrorists-for-home-protests/1657/ Animal Rights Activists Indicted as “Terrorists” For Home Protests 2010-01-04T07:49:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1507 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1507 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/portland-aeta-4-benefit-with-peter-young-and-will-potter/1507/ Portland AETA 4 Benefit With Peter Young and Will Potter 2010-01-04T07:49:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1675 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1675 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/let-live-conference-in-portland-this-is-going-to-be-great/1675/ Let Live Conference in Portland–This is Going to Be Great 2010-01-04T07:49:50Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1690 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1690 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/chuck-norris-revolution/1690/ Chuck Norris Advocating Armed Revolution and Terrorist “Cell” Tactics 2010-01-04T07:49:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1721 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1721 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/eugene-aeta-benefit/1721/ Eugene Benefit for Animal Activists Arrested as “Terrorists” 2010-01-04T07:49:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1504 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1504 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/grand-jury-101-from-the-rockford-files/1504/ Grand Jury 101 From the Rockford Files 2010-01-04T07:49:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1716 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1716 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/fran-trutt-making-an-animal-rights-terrorist/1716/ How Corporate Provacateurs Made Fran Trutt an “Animal Rights Terrorist” 2010-01-04T07:50:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 977 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=977 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ann-coulter-joseph-mccarthy/977/ Ann Coulter Speaking Lovingly of Joseph McCarthy Then Getting Schooled by Al Franken 2010-01-04T07:50:06Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1665 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1665 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/epa-fugitives-not-labeled-eco-terrorists/1665/ Why Aren’t the EPA’s Most Wanted Fugitives Labeled “Eco-terrorists”? 2010-01-04T07:50:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1671 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1671 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/eco-terrorism-definition/1671/ 3 Definitions of Eco-terrorism 2010-01-04T07:50:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1747 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1747 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/communication-management-units-mcgowan/1747/ Secretive U.S. Prison Units Used to House Muslim, Animal Rights and Environmental Activists 2010-01-04T07:50:13Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1768 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1768 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/communication-management-unit-democracy-now/1768/ Communication Management Units on Democracy Now, Will Potter Interviewed 2010-01-04T07:50:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1782 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1782 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/animal-rights-activist-fbi-terrorist-list/1782/ Animal Rights Activist Named Alongside Bin Laden on FBI’s Terrorist List 2010-01-04T07:50:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1796 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1796 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/communication-management-units-kvrx/1796/ Communication Management Units on Austin Radio 2010-01-04T07:50:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1804 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1804 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/mob-law-i-69-environmental-activists/1804/ Mafia Law Used Against Environmentalists for Tree Sits, Civil Disobedience, Blog Post 2010-01-04T07:50:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2045 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2045 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/unravelling-the-acronym-will-potter-exposes-the-aeta-animal-enterprise-terrorism-act/2045/ “Unravelling the Acronym: Will Potter Exposes the AETA (Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act)” 2010-01-04T07:50:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2051 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2051 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/is-abortion-doctor-murder-terrorism/2051/ 3 Reasons Why Murdering an Abortion Doctor Isn’t Being Called “Terrorism” 2010-01-04T07:50:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2062 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2062 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/crimes-the-government-does-not-label-terrorism/2062/ 30 Crimes the Government Chooses to Not Label Terrorism 2010-01-04T07:50:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2093 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2093 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/secretive-us-prisons-discussed-on-antiwar-radio/2093/ Secretive U.S. Prisons Discussed on AntiWar Radio 2010-01-04T07:50:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2102 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2102 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/daniel-mcgowan-tales-from-inside-the-us-gitmo/2102/ Daniel McGowan: “Tales from Inside the U.S. Gitmo” 2010-01-04T07:50:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2148 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?page_id=2148 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7/ SHAC 7: Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty Activists Convicted of “Terrorism” 2010-01-04T07:50:36Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2155 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2155 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/white-supremacist-opens-fire-at-holocaust-museum-terroris-but-will-it-be-labeled-terrorism/2155/ White Supremacist Opens Fire at Holocaust Museum, But Will it Be Labeled “Terrorism”? 2010-01-04T07:50:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2107 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2107 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/church-sues-after-being-terrorized-by-gay-kissing/2107/ Church Sues After Being “Terrorized” by Gay Activists Kissing 2010-01-04T07:50:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2168 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2168 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/jessica-alba-an-eco-terrorist/2168/ Jessica Alba Apologizes for “Eco-terrorism,” Doesn’t Even Get a Slap on the Wrist 2010-01-04T07:50:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2141 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2141 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/criminalizing-anarchist-literature/2141/ Activist Accused of “Advocating Literature and Materials Which Advocate Anarchy” 2010-01-04T07:50:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2160 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2160 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorism-legislation-and-anarchists/2160/ The Impact of “Terrorism” Legislation on the Anarchist Movement, an Interview with Infoshop.org 2010-01-04T07:50:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2181 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2181 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/andy-stepanian-communication-management-unit/2181/ Animal Rights Activist Jailed at Secretive Prison Gives First Account of Life Inside “CMU” 2010-01-04T07:50:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2086 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2086 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/monkey-wrench-gang-movie-matthew-mcconaughey-as-hayduke/2086/ Monkey Wrench Gang Movie With Matthew McConaughey as Hayduke 2010-01-04T07:50:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 1814 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=1814 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peregrine-auryn-green-scare-benefit-cd/1814/ Green Scare Benefit CD Featuring Peregrine and Auryn 2010-01-04T07:50:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2192 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2192 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/how-to-build-stronger-activist-communities/2192/ How to Build Stronger Communities in Response to Government Repression 2010-01-04T07:50:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2200 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2200 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/legal-handbook-for-animal-rights-and-environmental-activists/2200/ Legal Handbook for Animal Rights and Environmental Activists 2010-01-04T07:50:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2204 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2204 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/great-new-book-on-rod-coronado-and-the-animal-liberation-front-review-it/2204/ Great New Book on Rod Coronado and the Animal Liberation Front–Review it! 2010-01-04T07:50:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2209 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2209 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/animal-liberation-front-to-vegan-death-threats/2209/ “ALF to vegan death threats”? 2010-01-04T07:50:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2217 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2217 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/sea-shepherd-interrogation-video/2217/ Canadian Police Ask Sea Shepherd Officer if He is Planning “a 9/11 or something” 2010-01-04T07:51:06Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2224 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2224 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/viehl-pleads-guilty-alf-fur-farm-raid/2224/ B.J. Viehl Pleads Guilty to ALF Fur Farm Raid 2010-01-04T07:51:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2228 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2228 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/vermont-law-review-eco-terrorism/2228/ Vermont Law Review Article on “Eco-Terrorism” and the Green Scare 2010-01-04T07:51:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2233 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2233 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-military-terrorist-training-drill/2233/ Military Training Drill: Environmentalists Take Hostages, Murder Marines 2010-01-04T07:51:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2134 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2134 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ron-arnold-says-mike-roselle-not-eco-terrorist/2134/ Ron Arnold Defends Environmentalist Smeared as “Eco-terrorist” 2010-01-04T07:51:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2240 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2240 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta-4-protesters-higher-sentences-than-cross-burners/2240/ Animal Rights Protesters Face Higher Sentences than Racist Cross Burners 2010-01-04T07:51:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2255 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2255 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/earth-liberation-front-arrest-california/2255/ Environmentalist Arrested for Attempted ELF Arson in California 2010-01-04T07:51:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2268 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2268 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/jeff-free-luers-early-prison-release/2268/ Breaking: Jeff Free Luers Released From Prison Early 2010-01-04T07:51:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2260 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2260 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/jacob-ferugson-elf-cnn/2260/ Jacob Ferguson, Lead ELF Arsonist, Interviews with CNN 2010-01-04T07:51:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2079 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2079 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/anarchists-activists-terrorist-arrested-on-twitter/2079/ Government Arrests Activist for Twitter, Army Warns that Vegetarians and Terrorists May Follow 2010-01-04T07:51:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2287 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2287 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/jordan-halliday-contempt-indictment-grand-jury/2287/ Jordan Halliday Faces Trial on Contempt Charges for Resisting Grand Jury 2010-01-04T07:51:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2304 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2304 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/breaking-shac-7-conviction-upheld/2304/ Breaking: SHAC 7 Conviction Upheld 2010-01-04T07:51:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2307 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2307 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shac-7-conviction-upheld-on-appeal/2307/ Appellate Court: Encouraging Civil Disobedience is Not Protected Speech 2010-01-04T07:51:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2320 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2320 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/legal-rights-guide-activists/2320/ Know Your Rights Booklet for Activists 2010-01-04T07:51:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2331 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2331 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/carrie-feldmaniowa-grand-jury-alf/2331/ Activist to Iowa Grand Jury: “We will not be intimidated. We will not cooperate.” 2010-01-04T07:51:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2334 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2334 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/pet-shop-protesters-shot-will-it-be-labeled-terrorism/2334/ Pet Shop Protesters Shot–Will It Be Labeled Terrorism? 2010-01-04T07:51:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2339 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2339 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/sea-shepherd-earth-race-ship/2339/ Sea Shepherd’s New Terrorist-Ninja-Batmobile-Ship 2010-01-04T07:51:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2354 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2354 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/uk-police-spying-started-with-animal-rights-activists/2354/ UK Police Spying Began With Animal Rights Activists Then Expanded to Other Groups 2010-01-04T07:51:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2301 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2301 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/ag-industry-prosecut-undercover-animal-activists/2301/ Ag Industry Calls for Prosecutions of Undercover Animal Activists 2010-01-04T07:51:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2360 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2360 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/animal-enterprise-terrorism-act-conspiracy-indictment/2360/ Minneapolis Activist Indicted for Conspiracy to Violate Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act 2010-01-04T07:51:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2381 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2381 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalist-wanted-for-eco-terrorism-sentenced-china/2381/ ELF Fugitive Sentenced for Drug Charges in China 2010-01-04T07:51:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2374 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2374 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-terrorists-usda-form/2374/ PETA Classified as a “Terrorist Threat” by the USDA 2010-01-04T07:51:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2393 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2393 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/scott-demuth-released-anarchist-literature/2393/ Scott Demuth Free Despite Emergency Government Motion Labeling Him an “Anarchist” 2010-01-04T07:51:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2411 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2411 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/sarah-kramer-domestic-terrorist-funny-apron/2411/ Vegan Chef Sarah Kramer is a “Domestic Terrorist” 2010-01-04T07:51:50Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2423 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2423 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/student-scott-demuth-sociologist-not-terrorist/2423/ My Student is a Sociologist, Not a Terrorist 2010-01-04T07:51:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 127.0.0.1 2460 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2460 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/avatar-recruiting-eco-terrorists/2460/ Avatar Labeled “Recruiting Film for Eco-terrorists” 2010-01-05T16:03:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 greenisthenewred http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GreenIsTheNewRed/~3/uhNMdLpe6Io/ Is Avatar a “Recruiting Film for Eco-terrorists”? »GreenIsTheNewRed.com 2010-01-05T16:20:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 142.166.3.122 2126 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2126 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2126 “Fuck The Animal People” If these animal r]]> 2010-01-05T19:51:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2466 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2466 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/come-back-with-a-warrant-doormat/2466/ Doormat That Belongs at Every Activist’s Home Target.com after being featured on BoingBoing.
Crossing my fingers the company who made these will come out with a “You Can Talk to My Attorney.”


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Remembering MLK the “Terrorist”

MLK Speech]]> 2010-01-18T16:56:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 greenisthenewred http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GreenIsTheNewRed/~3/a45aBXjbNa4/ Post-9/11 Look at Martin Luther King »GreenIsTheNewRed.com 2010-01-18T17:10:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 142.166.3.122 2504 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2504 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/ Canadian Politician Says PETA Throwing a Pie is Terrorism The Globe and Mail reports that the member of parliament, Gerry]]> 2010-01-28T02:22:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 greenisthenewred http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GreenIsTheNewRed/~3/avwXSTKEhM0/ PETA’s Pieing is Terrorism, Canadian Member of Parliament Says »GreenIsTheNewRed.com 2010-01-28T14:15:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 142.166.3.122 2510 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2510 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/will-potter-journal-of-aesthetics-protest/2510/ Interview in “Journal of Aesthetics & Protest” on Labeling Activists as Terrorists One area that was particularly interesting, and has not been discussed much on this site, is the implications of all this fo]]> 2010-02-01T22:55:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 greenisthenewred http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GreenIsTheNewRed/~3/o8IwBfD_bzg/ Interview in “Journal of Aesthetics & Protest” on Labeling Activists as Terrorists »GreenIsTheNewRed.com 2010-02-04T00:14:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 142.166.3.122 2514 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2514 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/washington-eco-terrorism-law-free-speech/2514/ Washington “Eco-terrorist” Bill Includes Civil Disobedience and First Amendment Activity 2010-02-16T23:22:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2529 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2529 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/joseph-andrew-stack-not-terrorist-irs/2529/ IRS Suicide Pilot Is Not a “Terrorist,” But Environmental Activists Are? 2010-02-19T16:01:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2515 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/wp-content/Images/alec_animal_ecological_terrorism_bill.pdf greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/washington-eco-terrorism-law-free-speech/2514/alec_animal_ecological_terrorism_bill/ alec_animal_ecological_terrorism_bill


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April 16th, 4:15pm
The Graduate Center, City University of New York
365 Fifth Avenue
Room 9204/9205
Free and open to the public (with state issued]]> 2010-03-23T18:40:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2505 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/wp-content/Images/peta_canada_pie.jpg greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/peta-pie-terrorism-in-canada/2504/peta_canada_pie/ peta_canada_pie


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Thanks to Jason at Zombie Popcorn for the link!




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By]]> 2010-05-04T12:04:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2778 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2778 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorist-expatriation-act-citizenship-deportation-bill/2778/ Bill to Revoke “Terrorists’” Citizenship is Like Those From Darker Periods of U.S. History 2010-05-07T20:03:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2789 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2789 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/arizona-show-me-your-papers-law-immigration/2789/ Arizona’s “Show Me Your Papers” Law is About More than Immigration On this website I have exclusively document]]> 2010-05-10T21:01:36Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2812 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2812 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/andy-stepanian-communications-management-units-story/2812/ Former Prisoner at Secretive CMU Tells the Story of One Man Still There When it was hard for me to find vegan food in prison Abu-Sayyaf us]]> 2010-05-11T14:35:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2819 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2819 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/obama-terrorists-miranda-rights-legislation/2819/ Obama: Suspected Terrorists Shouldn’t Be Informed of Their Miranda Rights The proposal to chip away at Miranda r]]> 2010-05-12T17:57:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2848 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2848 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/david-pellow-visited-by-fbi/2848/ FBI Harasses Sociology Professor Who Has Spoken Against Labeling His Student a “Terrorist” GreenIsTheNewRed.com, and he has worked with students, p]]> 2010-05-17T20:45:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2843 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2843 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/why-you-should-not-talk-to-the-police/2843/ Why Activists Should Never Talk to the Police or FBI (Video) 2010-05-18T23:00:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2865 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2865 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/environmentalists-100000-bail-for-civil-disobedience/2865/ Environmentalists’ $100,000 Bail for Civil Disobedience EmmaKate Martin and Benjamin Bryant took part in non-violent civil disobedience to blockade Massey Energy’s regional headqua]]> 2010-05-21T15:09:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2873 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2873 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/are-you-a-terrorist-flow-chart/2873/ Flowchart: “Are You a Terrorist”? ]]> 2010-05-21T20:45:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2790 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2790 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/glenn-beck-anarchist-books/2790/ Glenn Beck is Our Real-Life Lewis Prothero 2010-05-23T22:01:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2919 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2919 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/20-anniversary-judi-bari-car-bombing-redwood-summer/2919/ 20 Years Later: Remembering the Bombing of Judi Bari 2010-05-24T00:22:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 571 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=571 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=571 Confidential Corporate “Risk Analysis” Says Placing Stickers on SUVs is Eco-Terrorism 2010-05-24T19:57:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/judi-bari-car-bombing-20th-anniversary-redwood-summe/2919/ 20 Years Later: Remembering the Bombing of Judi Bari »GreenIsTheNewRed.com 2010-05-25T10:22:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 142.166.170.101 2961 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2961 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/terrorism-charges-possible-for-greenpeace-oil-drilling-protesters/2961/ Greenpeace Protesters Who Oppose Off-Shore Drilling Could Face Terrorism Charges 2010-05-26T00:26:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2970 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2970 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/yale-green-scare-event/2970/ Yale Event: Redefining “Terrorism” to Silence Non-violent Animal Rights Activists The event is June 13th (see the flier for details). If yo]]> 2010-05-26T20:45:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/inkerman-report-stickers-on-suvs-are-eco-terrorism/571/ Confidential Corporate “Risk Analysis”: Placing Stickers on SUVs is Eco-Terrorism »GreenIsTheNewRed.com 2010-06-01T15:41:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 142.166.170.103 2984 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2984 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/jihad-crips-extreme-animal-rights-activists-all-the-same/2984/ “Jihad, Crips, extreme animal-rights activists, it’s all the same,” Says Homeland Security Official 2010-06-15T19:52:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2996 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=2996 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta-4-video/2996/ Attorney Matthew Strugar Explains the AETA 4 Case (Video) ]]> 2010-06-17T15:32:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 3001 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3001 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3001 What’s the Difference Between the Supermax and Secretive Political Prisons Called CMUs? 2010-06-21T01:18:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/cmu-secretive-political-prison-antiwar-radio/3001/ What’s the Difference Between the Supermax and Secretive Political Prisons Called CMUs? »GreenIsTheNewRed.com 2010-06-24T14:58:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 142.166.170.100 3015 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3015 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/aeta-4-case-thrown-out-dismissed/3015/ BREAKING: AETA 4 Case Dismissed, But Re-Indictment Possible 2010-07-12T21:11:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 3066 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3066 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/activism-is-not-terrorism-t-shirt/3066/ New T-Shirts! “Activism Is Not Terrorism” ]]> 2010-07-15T03:44:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 3081 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3081 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/will-potter-video-how-can-i-not-be-labeled-a-terrorist/3081/ “Don’t ask, ‘How can I not be labeled a terrorist?’ Ask, ‘How can I be a threat?’” 2010-07-20T16:22:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 2117 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/wp-content/Images/bash_back_mt_hope_complaint.pdf greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/church-sues-after-being-terrorized-by-gay-kissing/2107/bash_back_mt_hope_complaint/ bash_back_mt_hope_complaint ]]> 2010-08-05T23:54:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.226.151.1 3094 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3094 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/james-lee-not-radical-environmentalist/3094/ Calling the Discovery Channel Hostager Taker a “Radical Environmentalist” is Irresponsible and Inaccurate 2010-09-02T00:31:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 216.15.49.153 3101 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3101 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/james-lee-the-unabomber-and-mental-illness-vs-terrorism/3101/ James Lee, the Unabomber, and Mental Illness vs. Terrorism 2010-09-03T15:30:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 205.201.251.58 3113 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3113 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/green-scare-events-europe/3113/ Know Anyone in Europe? Booking “Green Scare” Speaking Events 2010-09-13T19:16:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3123 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3123 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/scott-demuth-pleads-guilty/3123/ Accused “Animal Enterprise Terrorist” Scott DeMuth Pleads Guilty to Lesser Charge 2010-09-14T01:46:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 216.15.49.153 3076 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/wp-content/Images/gitnr_logo_sticker_4_inch.jpg greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/shop/gitnr_logo_sticker_4_inch/ gitnr_logo_sticker_4_inch 2010-09-15T14:37:36Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3134 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3134 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/eco-terrorists-the-new-boogeyman-alyona-show/3134/ “Eco-Terrorist: the New Boogeyman,” Interview on the Alyona Show (Video) 2010-09-16T14:26:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3145 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3145 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/pennsylvania-homeland-security-eco-terror-bulletin/3145/ Pennsylvania “Eco-Terror” Bulletin is Not an Isolated Case: It’s a National Problem 2010-09-17T02:21:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 216.15.49.153 3146 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/wp-content/Images/pennsylvania-intelligence-bulletin-no-131-aug-30-2010.pdf greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/pennsylvania-homeland-security-eco-terror-bulletin/3145/pennsylvania-intelligence-bulletin-no-131-aug-30-2010/ pennsylvania-intelligence-bulletin-no-131-aug-30-2010 2010-09-17T02:57:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 98.202.218.7 3144 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3144 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/james-powers-environmentalists-timothy-mcveigh/3144/ PA Director of Homeland Security: Environmentalists are Terrorists, But Timothy McVeigh is Not 2010-09-17T14:06:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3170 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3170 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/monsanto-hired-blackwater-subsidiary-to-spy-on-activists/3170/ Monsanto hired Blackwater Subsidiary to Spy on Animal Rights and Environmental Activists 2010-09-17T18:02:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3164 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3164 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/milkshakes-for-eco-terrorists/3164/ Milkshakes for Eco-terrorists 2010-09-20T17:24:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3178 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3178 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/fbi-raids-minneapolis-chicago-domestic-terrorism/3178/ FBI Raids in Midwest: New Tactics in Response to “Domestic Terrorism” Scrutiny 2010-09-28T15:57:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3185 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3185 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/pa-homeland-security-bulletin-carriage-horse-protest/3185/ PA Homeland Security Bulletin Warned of Extremist “Recruitment” at Carriage Horse Protest 2010-10-01T01:36:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 216.15.49.153 3189 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3189 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/responding-to-fbi-activist-raids-and-moving-forward/3189/ FBI Raids [Insert Social Movement Here] Activists 2010-10-01T14:59:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3200 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3200 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/tea-partiers-opposing-radical-anti-puppy-mill-legislation/3200/ Tea Partiers Opposing “Radical” Anti-Puppy Mill Legislation 2010-11-02T20:55:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3208 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3208 greenisthenewred 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willpotter 199.223.129.4 3237 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3237 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/pa-homeland-security-compares-environmentalists-al-qaeda/3237/ PA Homeland Security Firm Compares Rainforest Action Network to Al-Qaeda (Video) 2010-11-11T15:57:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 216.15.49.153 3247 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3247 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/puppy-mill-group-compares-prop-b-to-obamacare/3247/ Puppy Mill Group Compares Prop B to “Obamacare” (Daily Show Video) 2010-11-12T15:17:56Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3262 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3262 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/climate-summit-begins-mark-ruffalo-eco-terrorist/3262/ As Climate Summit Begins, U.S. Labels Mark Ruffalo an “Eco-terrorist” 2010-11-30T15:38:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 174.20.15.79 3260 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About Wikileaks. Stop Reading. Keep Shopping. 2010-12-14T18:24:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3376 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3376 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/wikileaks-un-american/3376/ Is Wikileaks “Un-American”? (Video) 2010-12-18T16:31:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 216.15.49.153 3385 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3385 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/wikileaks-sea-shepherd/3385/ Wikileaks: Japan Urged U.S. to Crack Down on Sea Shepherd Conservation Society 2011-01-03T17:16:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3391 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3391 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/richmond-police-protest-guide-anarchist/3391/ Richmond Cops Mistakenly Hand Over Anti-Protest Guides to Anarchist 2011-01-05T23:16:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3403 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3403 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/sarah-palin-terrorism-giffords/3403/ If Sarah Palin Were an Animal Rights Activist, She’d Have Already Been Convicted of “Terrorism” 2011-01-10T02:07:06Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 216.15.49.153 3423 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3423 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/justice-department-warned-fbi/3423/ Justice Department Warned the FBI that Focusing on Environmentalists Ignores More Violent Threats 2011-01-11T05:34:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 216.15.49.153 3429 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3429 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/elf-spraypaint-fishing-boats-massachusetts/3429/ In the Wake of the Giffords Shooting, FBI Agents Investigate… Spraypaint on Fishing Boats 2011-01-12T16:55:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 66.41.78.132 3436 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3436 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/undercover-cops-spying-on-environmentalists/3436/ Undercover Cop Who Spied on Greens Offers to Testify on Their Behalf (Video) 2011-01-14T18:54:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 3411 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3411 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/counter-terrorism-unit-prisoner-reports/3411/ Why Is the Counter-Terrorism Unit Briefing Police About My Lectures and Website? 2011-01-18T13:05:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 120.156.210.11 3451 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=3451 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/government-lists-environmentalist-prisoners-alongside-neo-nazis-and-anti-abortion-murderers/3451/ Government Lists Environmentalist Prisoners Alongside Neo-Nazis and Anti-Abortion Murderers 2011-01-20T14:11:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 4322 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=4322 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/if-a-tree-falls-new-film-about-the-earth-liberation-front/4322/ “If a Tree Falls,” New Film about the Earth Liberation Front 2011-02-09T21:49:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 4331 http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/?p=4331 greenisthenewred http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/arte-documentary-eco-terrorist/4331/ International Documentary Challenges “Eco-terrorist” Label (Video) 2011-02-10T14:11:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=18712;date=2007-02-27 00:19:51-05:00
Great site

Are there any other good places to visit about this topic?]]> 2007-02-27T05:19:51Z info@gun-holster.info Harivneyish 201.34.204.147 wp_id=56616;date=2007-04-08 12:10:50-04:00 2007-04-08T16:10:50Z ken@adsense1.org KenMarshall 87.242.117.128 wp_id=57248;date=2007-04-11 11:11:37-04:00 2007-04-11T15:11:37Z oaza@yahoo.com Tinaksm 195.175.37.8 wp_id=230781;date=2009-10-31 19:55:48-04:00 2009-10-31T23:55:48Z loudachris@gmail.com X 63.227.253.247 wp_id=233353;date=2009-12-11 17:53:09-05:00 2009-12-11T22:53:09Z svetakx@email.ua intokess 92.241.165.66 wp_id=12;date=2006-05-04 14:01:16-04:00 2006-05-04T18:01:16Z mpomo@yahoo.com md 65.244.170.30 wp_id=1083;date=2006-11-06 18:00:31-05:00
You focused on one paragraph out of a six page document. I suppose anyone can pull something out of context and sensationalize it, while ignoring the validity of the document itself. It’s a sloppy, unethical journalistic technique which may help seek employment at a cheesy tabloid magazine.

The paper was specifically focused on corporate security counter-measures and was not meant to be an all-inclusive document addressing the eco-terrorist threat. It had a specific intent which was explained in the title.

The violent nature of eco-terrorism is considered common knowledge to the audience for which this document was intended. Of course, since you only have access to a very small sampling of information from DHS, how could you possibly know that? But then again, you don’t really care about the truth - except the “truth” as you see it.

You said that DHS has yet to send out a warning (regarding other threats). Again, since you don’t have access - and are not authorized to receive that information- you can’t really validate your statement. Just because YOU don’t get to see those documents doesn’t mean they don’t exist. It just means your “source” chose not to make those records public.]]> 2006-11-06T23:00:31Z roodhater@yahoo.com Justin Resner 70.106.60.222 wp_id=1084;date=2006-11-06 18:01:10-05:00 2006-11-06T23:01:10Z roodhater@yahoo.com Justin Resner 70.106.60.222 wp_id=166590;date=2008-08-25 20:24:39-04:00
Get your definitions straight.

Some day, once all the brain-washed folks like you have finally been washed down the drain-hole of history, those who stood up to the death-dealer's in defense of life will be rightly seen as heroes. Until then your masters do have the upper hand, as your faithfully parroting their propaganda shows.

And intereting that quelling free speech is what you expected to happen to you. Nope, just our government and big corporations do that.]]> 2008-08-26T00:24:39Z badgers4u@hotmail.com Badger 24.18.247.110 wp_id=94336;date=2007-09-19 11:50:39-04:00 2007-09-19T15:50:39Z mizz_younique09@yahoo.com angela 72.237.248.5 wp_id=94338;date=2007-09-19 11:59:56-04:00 I don't think the merits of vivisection, or lack thereof depending on who you ask, legitimize the rollback of basic civil liberties. I think that's what the head of this pro-vivisection group was explaining very well.
Will]]> 2007-09-19T15:59:56Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=9903;date=2007-02-16 05:14:48-05:00 2007-02-16T10:14:48Z sypou@hotbox.ru Feed 203.26.206.129 wp_id=220616;date=2009-05-18 16:42:17-04:00 2009-05-18T20:42:17Z philip.delorenzo@gmail.com Philip De Lorenzo 67.168.200.98 wp_id=13;date=2006-05-04 14:22:12-04:00 Cheers, Ingmar
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]]> 2006-05-04T18:22:12Z ingmarz@gmail.com Ingmar Lee 61.246.98.233 wp_id=441;date=2006-08-07 13:50:41-04:00 2006-08-07T17:50:41Z private@yahoo.com I.L. 72.18.103.17 wp_id=475;date=2006-08-20 13:30:11-04:00 2006-08-20T17:30:11Z kim.berardi@gmail.com Kim 65.102.178.137 wp_id=1608;date=2006-11-28 07:25:07-05:00
Our civil rights are indeed threatened each day that this war continues. More and more it is us who is being painted as terrorists, simply because we want to see change. The war is on our homefront, with issues like animal rights and the right to voice our concerns to the torture going on at our hand.

It is a war of between the chemical industry and life, if you ask me. They're killing animals, they're killing trees, and they're killing us.

The medical system is killing us all and we know it, but yet we are bound to perscribe to a system that does not work. Why? Because that's the way that the system's set up. It's set up for profit, that's why...NOT because modern medicine works.

The statistics are there...in their own words. Look to the records of the CDC, the AMA, the FDA, etc. The medical system is the number 1 killer in the U.S. when you combine the deaths which occur as the result of medical mistakes, pharmaceutical side effects, surgical risks, and patient error.

Our environment is dying away, and we know it, what with global warming and horrible toxicities in the air, water and soil, yet we just keep adding more and more in. Who benefits? The chemical industry, of course! Who loses? Life.

I am a doctor of naturopathy, and yet my hands are tied in so many ways to help people in the ways I know how, likewise is my tongue tied, by laws that do not allow me to speak. The research is there, though, and natural ways have worked since the very beginning of time. Unless we turn back to non-chemical ways of existing, they are going to win against life.

My question for them is, who will be left to spend all the money they make?

Anyways, thank you for reporting the truth in a time when all they want us to hear are lies. I'm glad there are those brave enough to investigate what's really true and to bring the news back to us.

Our civil rights are effected by EVERYTHING that's going on!

Blessings to you,
Vibraceous, ND]]> 2006-11-28T12:25:07Z allnatureworks@aol.com Mary Jo Eshelman, ND 205.188.116.198 wp_id=81191;date=2007-07-23 02:24:11-04:00 I really admire your drive to spread the word and make a difference. 14 years ago when i first went veg it felt as if the entire world thought I was mad and I had no allies, and now I constantly meet people who have common compassion and since have been able to rekindle my optimism that a change in our society is underway.
It was refreshing to speak with you and we should meet up again someday in the near future.
Ciao! Nicole]]> 2007-07-23T06:24:11Z hepcatnic@yahoo.com Nicole 66.215.123.36 wp_id=86588;date=2007-08-20 01:00:45-04:00
Keep up the foght! Wish you the best in all your endeavors!


Warm regards,
Gerardo Tristan.]]> 2007-08-20T05:00:45Z todosomosanimales@hotmail.com Gerardo Tristan 170.140.248.41 wp_id=124723;date=2007-12-07 20:08:38-05:00 2007-12-08T01:08:38Z kyeann@gmail.com Kyeann 71.198.68.102 wp_id=128097;date=2007-12-17 06:49:00-05:00 2007-12-17T11:49:00Z abelekene@hotmail.com abel udokene 193.93.99.179 wp_id=137128;date=2008-01-31 15:33:53-05:00 I find your site very interesting. We would like to invite you to our editorial affiliate program at the Environmental News Network. Here is a link, look it over and if you are interested I would be happy to get you set up as an affiliate. http://www.enn.com/editorial_a...
Thank you for your time
Teah Benkoczy
Assistant Publisher
enn.com]]> 2008-01-31T20:33:53Z teah@enn.com Teah Benkoczy 209.152.115.30 wp_id=151404;date=2008-05-17 16:32:09-04:00 2008-05-17T20:32:09Z judacia1978@yahoo.com Sara 207.69.139.156 wp_id=166227;date=2008-08-23 09:59:17-04:00 2008-08-23T13:59:17Z kate@ellicottcitywellness.com kate 72.81.136.134 wp_id=166537;date=2008-08-25 13:47:56-04:00 2008-08-25T17:47:56Z thy_sacred_chicken@hotmail.com Wo Dao 66.18.243.178 wp_id=181208;date=2008-12-04 17:38:18-05:00 2008-12-04T22:38:18Z jack_hattendorf@yahoo.com Jack 76.231.224.232 wp_id=203990;date=2009-03-03 01:44:01-05:00
If you only knew how the blood of the God fearing Americans boils with rage when your anti-American filth flows out like vomit on the streets of America. There is no distinction between the enemy that bombed the Towers and your agenda that attempts to terrorize the peaceful through campaigns of anarchy.

Your regurgitated refuse of disdain for authority fills the land with confusion.

You elevate the life of the rat over the life of the unborn baby. You fall in line like little hitlers behind the global warmist agenda for the love of money to support your own horse and pony show. You hate the authority above you because you want to be your own god yet someday you will fall into the hands of the one true Almighty God.

How terrible will that day be unless you repent.

You attempt to stretch the Constitution and stretch it like silly putty to accommodate your own private interpretation of it -all in the name of free speech.

Your agenda must be stopped if America is to remain the land of the free and home of the brave.

My own death is not nearly as important as fighting against the evil force behind your repugnant agenda that seeks the utter disintegration of a God blessed morality in America.

Remember Sodom.

There are millions and millions like me born and raised in America and while we may have taken our freedom for granted for a moment (thus allowing Godless and gutless cowards like you to gain a foot hold) we have shaken the dust off, we are coordinating, and we will give you a fight that you never imagined would come against this vile attack on the sovereignty of the United States of America.

If the U.S. Constitution was crafted today, people like you would seek its Godless direction from its birth and it is for this reason that this Country cannot sustain liberalized government direction lest the model that made America the most powerful Country for good in the world today is torn down to that of a third world country saturated in corruption and famine.

You want the latter and I know you do.

Never forget that Mr. Potter. You have been found out sir and a flashlight is on you now because you are a traitor.]]> 2009-03-03T06:44:01Z liberal_agenda_hunter@anonymous.disqus.net Liberal Agenda Hunter 74.33.111.122 wp_id=204075;date=2009-03-03 10:01:04-05:00 oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach
to himself."
-Thomas Paine

Call me "traitor" and use all of the apocalyptic, biblical language you want, and I'll still defend your right to say it.

Best,
Will]]> 2009-03-03T15:01:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=204082;date=2009-03-03 10:27:07-05:00 Keep up the good fight! If nothing else, you are protecting the creations that the god/gods/goddesses/force/earth has put forth, and if there is an afterlife, your reward will be great!

For every crazy yahoo you have watching you, you have countless more who are on your side!

Your dedication to free speech is an example we should all follow.

Regards,
Tommy]]> 2009-03-03T15:27:07Z tgbedwards@gmail.com Tommy 204.85.74.107 wp_id=204087;date=2009-03-03 10:40:32-05:00 2009-03-03T15:40:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=213448;date=2009-03-31 22:08:51-04:00
Keep up the super work, Will - fantastic site!]]> 2009-04-01T02:08:51Z seanoneil@yahoo.com Vegan 64.185.30.235 wp_id=219377;date=2009-05-06 18:25:29-04:00 I came across your web site quite by accident. Interesting indeed. I can't seem to extract fully what you stand for as far as life on earth issues are concerned. It is unclear to me how you view and value all living things. Can you write something on this for me to understand more fully what you are trying to get across with this site?
regards, Pete.]]> 2009-05-06T22:25:29Z revhead333@live.com.au Peter 58.111.143.189 wp_id=219548;date=2009-05-08 10:26:39-04:00 The website is exclusively focused on how the "War on Terrorism" is being used to silence dissent. Specifically, how the word "terrorism" is being recklessly applied to animal rights and environmental activists in order to push a political agenda. I have never commented on my beliefs about the environmental, animal and other activist issues because a key point of this website is that it doesn't matter how you feel about these issues. Will]]> 2009-05-08T14:26:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=916;date=2006-10-17 20:22:13-04:00
That judge should be removed from the bench and never allowed to practice law again.]]> 2006-10-18T00:22:13Z magginkat@gmail.com Magginkat 70.188.237.26 wp_id=774;date=2006-09-27 15:38:10-04:00 2006-09-27T19:38:10Z wesleyj1977@netscape.net Wes 140.241.0.20 wp_id=2770;date=2006-12-28 01:54:43-05:00 Hatterfox]]> 2006-12-28T06:54:43Z ritarobinett@hotmail.com Rita Robinett 24.166.221.117 wp_id=3174;date=2007-01-04 06:11:21-05:00 The government, the police, and the FBI now exist primarily to protect profits.

I like how the police and firemen can beat the shit out of somebody in a protest or even shoot them (Kent State) and we can't throw a rock at McDonalds.

The main problem in our society, is that we let people control us. Without our part, there wouldn't be the ongoing climb into fascism that our country, and the world (thanks to the globalization of western civilization's [in]famous capitalism and the "free market") Our mistake was letting people tell us what to do and how to act for too long. Of course, though, we've been conditioned to this (through the pacification of our ideas). I believe peace is necessary; but in the wake of civilian peace, and corporate domination(which of course is allowed to exist through civilian peace).

We allow our government to install totalitarian dictators and aid fascist governments in South America, and all over the world to keep trade cheap and convenient, so Dick Cheney's stock can go up a quarter of a point. And this is tolerated. But any form of civilian disobedience to this extremely wrongful, shameful worshiping of money, is gunned down with martial law.

What is wrong with us?

Why aren't we all gathering together to end this?

Are we that conditioned, and docile, to think the kind of abuse we take is acceptable?]]> 2007-01-04T11:11:21Z enlightened@gmail.com John 71.110.104.230 wp_id=144039;date=2008-03-18 14:50:18-04:00 2008-03-18T18:50:18Z bunnygrl2001@yahoo.com teresa 24.15.119.203 wp_id=197353;date=2009-02-13 13:24:27-05:00 2009-02-13T18:24:27Z princess.ellenash@gmail.com Elle 205.215.222.135 wp_id=15;date=2006-05-06 21:15:42-04:00
The article is here: http://www.nypost.com/business...]]> 2006-05-07T01:15:42Z belphegor1527@gmail.com Belphegor 68.83.99.26 wp_id=11;date=2006-05-03 17:54:51-04:00 2006-05-03T21:54:51Z waynezorro@aol.com wayne johnson ph.d 72.234.133.126 wp_id=197354;date=2009-02-13 13:25:59-05:00 2009-02-13T18:25:59Z princess.ellenash@gmail.com Elle 205.215.222.135 wp_id=10;date=2006-05-03 16:32:13-04:00
First of all, no one was arrested. We were detained in our vehicles and written citations, nothing else.

Furthermore, most of us were NOT convicted, but charges were dropped. I think only 2 or 3 people even went to court, if that.

I would be interested in seeing those "court records."]]> 2006-05-03T20:32:13Z purplelamb@earthlink.net j 64.2.103.22 wp_id=14;date=2006-05-06 06:14:55-04:00 2006-05-06T10:14:55Z kirston.otis@us.army.mil Kirston Otis 214.13.173.15 wp_id=572;date=2006-08-30 11:36:11-04:00
The bottom line is that animal-rights groups threaten big business and when mega-profits are at stake, the threat becomes political and goes all the way to the top. It's no wonder the bulldogs of the FBI have been set upon the activists.

But when we follow the money and the special-interest politics, it is clear who has the hidden agenda and the profit-driven motivation to distort the truth. And it is not the animal-rights advocates!

Gayle Dean]]> 2006-08-30T15:36:11Z gayledean@gmail.com Gayle Dean 24.31.121.30 wp_id=663;date=2006-09-11 01:00:46-04:00 The day is coming when they will be met with deadly force by trained military,instead of being able to attack some guy in his PJs in the dead of night.

They want to play hardball?
Well,just keep it up.
A few of you WILL get mown down by the Marines,and the rest of you jailed as traitors and anarchists.
Terrroist is what you are,and make no mistake,you will see the U.S. justice system from the inside out.
for about 10 years to life for each offence .
i do not think even one of you has the balls it takes to do a dime in the joint for your ''lofty principles''which include genocide against the human race itself.
I hope you all take a very hard fall.
Enjoy the descent that you so richly deserve.]]> 2006-09-11T05:00:46Z lordarthur75062@yahoo.com Dominic 63.25.233.19 wp_id=811;date=2006-10-03 19:30:22-04:00 2006-10-03T23:30:22Z bildad@earthlink.net bildad 67.127.247.61 wp_id=1989;date=2006-12-11 15:41:39-05:00
its has been said many time that when the option for peaceful revolution is taken away it encourages violence. It is unfourtunet but true. I dont not condone violence means to achieve an end, but i do sympethize with those that are frustrated enough to consider it. Only because of how frustrated they must be. It has also been said most revolutionaries begin their path with nothing but love in their hearts

Those that understand the world as one living organism made up of countless parts - realize that we all have intrinsic value. When we fail to understand this, and "other" the rest of the planet we are able to falsely remove our being from the greater whole. Under these circumstances great evils against the whole are possible, because of the ignorance of how one is related to the whole.

animals, plants, bugs, bacteria, etc.. exist as one, have complex relationships, and are utterly interconnected. It is only the undeveloped mind that has been bread to think otherwise that does not see this.

when an animal activists says animals have intrinsic value and should not ever be taken for granted, intentionally treated with malice, or not respected they do so with great love for that animal presuppose on the belief they are deeply connected to that animal. This is the reality of human's place in the world.

it may be a better strategy to instill this value in people than take a reactionay approach that gets oneself labeled as criminal or terrorist within a political structure that is build on the "othered" state of the natural word (which includes animals)

i have great love for you beautiful people who are working to progress our barbaric relationships with animals. Namaste]]> 2006-12-11T20:41:39Z me@hotmail.com justin 24.68.72.153 wp_id=5794;date=2007-01-28 09:19:07-05:00 Dessecting live monkeys? Falsifying scientific data?

Why is the FBI not investagating these acts?
When the law is corrupt...it leads to violence.
That is why we are supposed to have good laws in the first place.
Now just where does it say...when the government becomes so corrupt...the people have a DUTY to have a revolution...oh yeah..on one of those "dirty old pieces of paper" as President Bush said..the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States.]]> 2007-01-28T14:19:07Z nylene@sbcglobal.net Nylene 4.246.217.237 wp_id=52471;date=2007-03-24 13:04:49-04:00 2007-03-24T17:04:49Z bunnygrl2001@yahoo.com Teresa 24.15.119.203 wp_id=125042;date=2007-12-08 12:57:03-05:00 The victims of the green scare deserve our acts of solidarity. I don't care what it is labeled, whether they are called "terrorists", "saboteurs", "freedom fights", "anarchists", or "environmental activists", it is the actual actions which they are taking which are in an attempt ot make a better world to live in and stop the rape of Mother Earth and the murder of innocent animals, which are important. Labels can be assigned but in the end it's what these people are doing and the significance of their actions that make it so they deserve support. They aren't killing anyone, or harming anyone physically, and if the Capitalist system must put profit before life, then others are forced to respond to make it so life will be put before profit.]]> 2007-12-08T17:57:03Z jajva0709@hotmail.com Jake 24.117.149.151 wp_id=126898;date=2007-12-13 04:41:33-05:00 2007-12-13T09:41:33Z kristopher@anonymous.disqus.net kristopher 71.40.27.230 wp_id=126901;date=2007-12-13 04:51:54-05:00 2007-12-13T09:51:54Z sally@anonymous.disqus.net Sally 71.40.27.230 wp_id=126991;date=2007-12-13 09:53:04-05:00 Did you read the article? I think you're completely missing the point of the "green is the new red" analogy. Or, perhaps it is more accurate to say that your comments about how "socialist ideals will take hold in the form of global warming" are showing how this analogy--comparing the "Red Scare" crackdown of the 40s and 50s to the crackdown on so-called eco-terrorism today--is eerily appropriate. Will]]> 2007-12-13T14:53:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=127257;date=2007-12-14 03:53:55-05:00 2007-12-14T08:53:55Z gabe@anonymous.disqus.net Gabe 138.16.52.11 wp_id=198332;date=2009-02-16 00:37:52-05:00 2009-02-16T05:37:52Z rightauk@sisqtel.net Flu-Bird 198.68.23.70 wp_id=16;date=2006-05-18 09:37:15-04:00 Somehow through the media, there needs to be responses in mass to the debate.

NPR is already using phrases about Hayden like..."long and distinguished career..." which I don't know how THAT will tweak morning radio fan's brain cells.

And, there's no coincidence, that the rangeling and legislative maneuvering on the border security issue is going on simultaneously; it's a media PR war at home.

I appreciated your analysis, thanks.]]> 2006-05-18T13:37:15Z twitchon@hotmail.com Twitch 24.155.109.170 wp_id=95009;date=2007-09-21 18:30:55-04:00 2007-09-21T22:30:55Z vikki201@comcast.net Victor 170.115.251.13 wp_id=17;date=2006-05-18 22:07:03-04:00
Think about it...what illegal act isn't designed "to coerce or affect the conduct of government or private entities."? She just said virtually every crime committed is a terrorist act.

You'll see this same line of reasoning used to explain why a whole host of criminal activity (drug dealers, gang activity, etc) should be convicted of terrorism charges. The problem is the more we dilute the definition of terrorism the less we can focus on the actual terrorists. Law enforcement uses the argument though because it opens the door to valuable state and federal dollars and resources.]]> 2006-05-19T02:07:03Z belphegor1527@gmail.com Belphegor 68.83.99.26 wp_id=19;date=2006-05-21 16:01:24-04:00
And thanks for the great blog!]]> 2006-05-21T20:01:24Z gumbycascadia@riseup.net Gumby Cascadia 24.20.117.199 wp_id=20;date=2006-05-21 16:30:21-04:00 2006-05-21T20:30:21Z ajnocell@maxwell.syr.edu Anthony Nocella 68.122.216.28 wp_id=21;date=2006-05-21 21:41:12-04:00 2006-05-22T01:41:12Z elviseats@gmail.com Ayelet 72.75.8.250 wp_id=23;date=2006-05-22 14:53:35-04:00 2006-05-22T18:53:35Z ladybirdwood@yahoo.com kris 198.107.16.214 wp_id=24;date=2006-05-23 20:37:34-04:00 2006-05-24T00:37:34Z mdprun@aol.com Mike Parsons 205.188.116.198 wp_id=25;date=2006-05-24 12:49:43-04:00 2006-05-24T16:49:43Z purplelamb@earthlink.net j 64.2.103.22 wp_id=127587;date=2007-12-15 07:24:45-05:00 Idetrorce]]> 2007-12-15T12:24:45Z idetrorce@mymail-in.net Idetrorce 86.22.157.37 wp_id=753;date=2006-09-26 10:23:37-04:00
In case you don't understand what a protest is, it is our constitutional right to oppose and vocalize our stand against any cruelty of any kind. And that DEFINITELY includes animals. They are living, breathing feeling creatures, just like us. If you research and educate yourself before jumping on a popular Republican money mongering bandwagon, animal research VERY RARELY works. That is documented fact, over and over by the scientists themselves that no longer perform vivisection. (Animal testing). That just may be because we are NOT ANIMALS!!! The human trials that follow are what prove to the scientists whether a drug works or not.

And, the cruelty and torture other animals raised for food, fur and entertainment endure incredible torture by by sick staff members, the acts of cruelty are worse than your darkest nightmare. Is it terrorism to want to treat them humanely before they are murdered and used to "entertain"?? Politicians want to call everything that isn't in agreement with them "terrorism" to try and scare people into continuing to vote for them, so they feel "protected". You aren't fooling anybody who knows about freedom of speech. Protesting is INTENDED to cause loss of profit! (By non-violent means, of course). Why do you think we protest and educate the public???????????

If companies that torture and allow useless animal experimen - I mean torture -to continue, they are asking for boycotts. They are afraid of loss of profits from activists, but if they simply used the MANY newer modern (and much more accurate) methods instead of useless and inaccurate repeated tests and torture of animals, they would stop the boycotts, AND SAVE MONEY, having only to test once, not over and over, and being left in peace.

It's all about money with you Republicans, to the point you try to change the FIRST amendment of the CONSTITUTION! Who do you think you are? I would certainly understand prison and/or the death penalty for murdering people (as anti-choice groups have done and do for their cause), but they have't been considered terrorists! Apparently, murdering people isn't as bad as causing the bottom line of some big business to be reduced. Only the animal rights people are terrorists! We don't murder people for our cause! You tout your "pro life" stand, but apparently life only applies to humans, and is less important than money. Life is life. Either you support life or you don't. You can't pick and choose, and you can't change one of the basic RIGHTS of the constitution!

I know you won't even consider this letter, but it's my first amendment right to free speech and I'm using it.

Thanks for your time,

Shannon Morgan]]> 2006-09-26T14:23:37Z shannonmorgan36@yahoo.com Shannon Morgan 67.163.101.160 wp_id=768;date=2006-09-27 09:13:30-04:00 2006-09-27T13:13:30Z hippiechick318@yahoo.com Tina 69.128.168.39 wp_id=780;date=2006-09-28 18:52:17-04:00 Now if only the Republicans will read it. And if they do, will they think!]]> 2006-09-28T22:52:17Z elizbiz@comcast.net Elizabeth 69.181.19.234 wp_id=781;date=2006-09-28 21:29:57-04:00 2006-09-29T01:29:57Z maria_caribe@hotmail.com maria eugenia elias 64.237.156.229 wp_id=784;date=2006-09-30 04:23:06-04:00 2006-09-30T08:23:06Z destinykim68@hotmail.com Kim 24.105.195.99 wp_id=791;date=2006-09-30 23:34:07-04:00 Congress.org

^That is frightening. The animals NEED for our voices to be heard regarding this serious matter. Please either call or write (envelope will make greater impact than email) to your Representatives ("House Resolution 4239", The Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act) and Senators ("Senate 3880", The Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act), and to Senator James M. Inhofe. Please, do not think someone else will take care of it for you! Just a few letters from concerned citizens can make a huge impact, enough to sway a vote, because we took the time to write, expressing our concerns. Please remember to be POLITE and RESPECTFUL, anything less will work against us! Personalize your letters.

They know we mean business in that we will not stop until we reach full animal liberation. We are reaching that goal everyday, and they are trying everything in their power to slow us down. For the animals, now is when we need to fight harder than ever.]]> 2006-10-01T03:34:07Z anthony_smith496@yahoo.com Katie 68.12.206.65 wp_id=869;date=2006-10-14 16:34:06-04:00 2006-10-14T20:34:06Z forseti1980@yahoo.com Erin 70.225.91.26 wp_id=7104;date=2007-02-03 21:22:14-05:00
Reason being a group of people are trying to get this added to the bill and enforced in NC.

I'm a former United States Marine and I fought for the freedom of my Country. I believe in our fight right now and am very Thankful that we haven't left and let this become another Vietnam. I've told my Congressman I'd be very hapy as other former servicemembers to go back and serve state side duty to free up our men and women to fight or train those to go.

So my next question is when did I and everyone else who loves caring for or own animals loss or rights to this very valiable freedom! Did we turn our Country over to a Comminist Country? If yes which one? This way I'll know whom I'm fighting.

I hope to hear back from you real soon, and as you can see I've inclosed my e-mail address.

Sincerly Yours,

Joseph Traumer
joebear52me@yahoo.com]]> 2007-02-04T02:22:14Z joebear52me@yahoo.com Joseph Traumer 12.174.156.235 wp_id=55868;date=2007-04-04 02:43:20-04:00
http://www.youtube.com/v/yvVxx...]]> 2007-04-04T06:43:20Z ninja@ramen-warrior.com Ramen Warrior 69.136.152.51 wp_id=57058;date=2007-04-10 13:37:06-04:00 How many of you spout vitriol towards anyone who does not share your political affiliations? Regardless of whether or not you like Mr. Bush, he
is our elected President and his office does deserve respect. Your rhetoric serves more to belittle you then it does to demean our governmental officials.
I know many of us that do not support the tactics used by people who protest injustice when their methods resort to the fanatical and fear-inspiring...Martin Luther King believed in peaceful dissent and I believe this would be the best way to win support for many of issues that Eco-aware people are fighting for...I do believe the first steps towards a more respectful world for all life would require humans to find a way to value each other first,...that would impact how they would value all life...plant, animal...etc.

Anarchy achieves nothing positive nor productive for society,
C.Price]]> 2007-04-10T17:37:06Z onezenchic@hotmail.com C Price 71.236.175.9 wp_id=113501;date=2007-11-15 21:22:14-05:00 2007-11-16T02:22:14Z chelseacd90@yahoo.com Chelsea 74.132.78.193 wp_id=147401;date=2008-04-17 06:27:33-04:00
Love,

Dr. Kathryn Kondrotas]]> 2008-04-17T10:27:33Z kathrynkondrotas@earthlink.net Dr. Kathryn Kondrotas 69.223.59.110 wp_id=154665;date=2008-06-12 11:26:58-04:00 2008-06-12T15:26:58Z bwmmiller@nexicom.com Uncle B 76.75.94.137 wp_id=218507;date=2009-04-27 02:19:37-04:00 2009-04-27T06:19:37Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 68.241.47.106 wp_id=234101;date=2009-12-28 15:46:21-05:00 На сайте свежей страници файлов и новостей http://freshpage.ru. Ничего не нашел. Зарание спасибо))]]> 2009-12-28T20:46:21Z kostya-0123@mail.ru kostya0123d 91.197.127.2 wp_id=788;date=2006-09-30 13:36:34-04:00 2006-09-30T17:36:34Z dfoxcloud9@yahoo.com Dennis Fox 70.133.3.122 wp_id=65348;date=2007-05-26 20:39:19-04:00 2007-05-27T00:39:19Z gamoonbat@yahoo.com Don Thieme 72.152.191.94 wp_id=171790;date=2008-09-28 19:09:58-04:00 2008-09-28T23:09:58Z beet@riseup.net beet 208.120.233.248 wp_id=1561;date=2006-11-23 22:20:16-05:00 2006-11-24T03:20:16Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=225316;date=2009-07-28 02:56:03-04:00 2009-07-28T06:56:03Z henrykrinkle5@yahoo.com Mark 96.28.75.124 wp_id=231504;date=2009-11-16 07:55:52-05:00 2009-11-16T12:55:52Z xen0blade@anonymous.disqus.net xen0blade 98.203.139.5 wp_id=231513;date=2009-11-16 18:31:54-05:00 As a proud Norwegian citizen I cannot understand how people can be completely raping our fragile words with the overuse of gas guzzling cars that continue to dominate our streets.
IM GONNA FUCKIN KILL YAS ALL!!!!]]> 2009-11-16T23:31:54Z terry_wrist@anonymous.disqus.net Terry Wrist 202.59.29.82 wp_id=870;date=2006-10-15 00:01:05-04:00 2006-10-15T04:01:05Z antifursociety@msn.com Rosa Close 71.126.186.183 wp_id=1066;date=2006-11-04 03:24:28-05:00 2006-11-04T08:24:28Z cornelia@anonymous.disqus.net Cornelia 71.218.220.3 wp_id=1301;date=2006-11-14 16:37:22-05:00 If Bush signes off on this deadly legislation, AETA he won't have a vote to count on, for anything. He can kiss his supporters, ADIOS!
AETA is all about paid murder, if that's legal, than you have to let everyone out of jail!]]> 2006-11-14T21:37:22Z bullshit@yourbill.com Donna 129.139.52.95 wp_id=477;date=2006-08-21 16:56:02-04:00
Boy, but did I stir up one hell of an anthill!

I really wish I could have been at this year's conference to hear you and others talk, like I was last year when I gave a plenary talk, but I just couldn't make it again - not enough $$$$$. Besides, we're building a house and rehabbing some rescues right now. So, bad timing, too.

I wish I could hear what you had to say by clicking on the little arrow, but out here in the boonies, we only get very S-L-O-W dial-up, and I can only hear a few words, then a pause, then a few more - MADDENING! But I can about guesss what it is, anyway, because I have been following this pretty closely, especially as I have also been called the "T" word (though I have no idea what my "T-level" is - how does one figure that out????) and even interrogated, among other things.

I intend to pass along the URL to your site, as this issue is more important than many activists realize. They really and truly believe that if they don't commit any crime and only peacefully protest, that they won't be targeted. Well, that's what I used to think, too. That is, until I was indeed targeted. Even accused of crimes I didn't commit. Wiretapped. Searched. Even set up and arrested. Etc. etc.

Fellow Activists - be scared - very scared. What he says is right. But, fight back - fight back HARD! - don't shrink from this fight, don't just talk the talk, but really and truly walk the walk (you are NOT alone!), and be proud.

And be LOUD!]]> 2006-08-21T20:56:02Z cybergypsy1964@yahoo.com Virgil Butler 166.102.45.28 wp_id=166566;date=2008-08-25 17:30:52-04:00 re: AETA, 1992-3 version. First 'use' was by convicted felon whose "private cause of action" snared 100+ defendents (including US AG Reno) and subsequent enlistment tool for several similar lawsuits dismissed in district and appellate courts in CA and FL, US cert declined. One issue discussed in-progess book. Are you aware of the Act being used in the early 90's?
MF]]> 2008-08-25T21:30:52Z ms_frazer@yahoo.com Mike Frazer 67.169.126.144 wp_id=166568;date=2008-08-25 17:42:23-04:00 Are you sure you are talking about the AETA (or, at that time, the Animal Enterprise Protection Act)? Because it's not a law that could be "used" by a citizen, and the law certainly hasn't been used against 100 defendants and a former attorney general. It was used against Justin Samuel and Peter Young for fur farm raids, and then against the SHAC7. (That's according to my own research, and also according to congressional testimony by FBI and DOJ). Best, Will]]> 2008-08-25T21:42:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=789;date=2006-09-30 14:28:32-04:00 2006-09-30T18:28:32Z vkdvtch5@care2.com kerry mccarthy 24.205.33.122 wp_id=1246;date=2006-11-13 21:56:08-05:00 (mis)handled today? IE, move up the vote by 3 hours,
only a handful of reps present. The whole scenario
smacks of 'same old' sneaky, corrupt politics. We,
the little ones in the trenches with the animals, flooded
the reps with emails, phone calls, faxes, possilby to
some (positive) avail---then 'they' change the vote time!]]> 2006-11-14T02:56:08Z biskenne@sti.net Jan 64.118.115.110 wp_id=1936;date=2006-12-09 20:57:02-05:00 2006-12-10T01:57:02Z goskate@email2me.net Jason 68.117.43.238 wp_id=2596;date=2006-12-24 13:34:48-05:00 You may have already caught this article in the New York times on the booming fur trade. There's a brief mention of AETA on page 1...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12...]]> 2006-12-24T18:34:48Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 151.203.77.238 wp_id=4916;date=2007-01-22 10:44:32-05:00
Feminist Eco-Terrorists - People for a Peaceful Planet. We're in Seattle. All feminist vegans welcome. satyasteele at yahoo.com]]> 2007-01-22T15:44:32Z satyasteele@yahoo.com Satya 67.183.217.90 wp_id=6023;date=2007-01-30 01:44:21-05:00 2007-01-30T06:44:21Z earthliberationfront@hotmail.com Eco-Guerrilla 68.113.88.96 wp_id=18772;date=2007-02-27 01:12:42-05:00
http://thinman.com/images/HLS_...

I am taking an indirect route to the environment through the study of empathy. I am now hoping to make it my profession:

http://thinman.com/empathy

john

ps, i just looked at it in full size for the first time.. nice contrast between the winter day and the vividness of the demo signs..]]> 2007-02-27T06:12:42Z john.van.v@gmail.com john van vlaanderen 68.175.83.161 wp_id=31162;date=2007-03-06 17:12:17-05:00
I was thinking how much I'd love to have a shirt with your logo on it. Get people talking.

Keep up the good work Will.]]> 2007-03-06T22:12:17Z johughes83@gmail.com Jo 74.98.120.23 wp_id=58457;date=2007-04-20 00:22:14-04:00 2007-04-20T04:22:14Z crisiemmueller@sbcglobal.net Crisie 66.185.20.9 wp_id=63467;date=2007-05-16 16:38:24-04:00 a year ago.
http://sourcecode.freespeech.o...

feel free to link to it

Title: EcoDissent not Terrorism
Description: In George Bush's America, if you're an
environmentalist, you're a terrorist. SourceCode examines civil disobedience under the Patriot Act. Come to Prescott, Arizona, where a recent sting resulted in the death of one person accused under the new definition of terrorism. Hear from a former Earthfirst!er on why she took direct action against a power company. ACLU and Center for Constitutional Rights tell you what risks you face in defending the environment. Ruckus Society makes a case for nonviolent civil disobedience. And a video of the first monkeywrenching action with Edward Abbey at the Glen Canyon Dam.]]> 2007-05-16T20:38:24Z sue@freespeech.org sue 67.172.159.158 wp_id=86066;date=2007-08-17 13:18:36-04:00
If the economics don't work, recycling efforts won't either.
As our little contribution to make this economics of recycling more appealing, http://LivePaths.com blogs about people and companies that make money selling recycled or reused items, provide green services or help us reduce our dependency on non renewable resources.



PS How can I get a link back to your blog?

Luis]]> 2007-08-17T17:18:36Z lfokp@hotmail.com Luis 201.130.143.206 wp_id=87199;date=2007-08-22 20:09:28-04:00 2007-08-23T00:09:28Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.7 wp_id=89415;date=2007-08-30 13:49:03-04:00
I just wanted to take a second and point out an exciting conference that is coming up in October, the 2007 Environmental Performance Summit. This summit is devoted to improving environmental stewardship by equipping federal, state and local government managers at environmental and natural resource agencies with the tools to run their organizations with efficiency, transparency and accountability. The summit has a website: www.environmentalperformance.o.... If you could post the link it would really help generate buzz for this great event! Thank you!]]> 2007-08-30T17:49:03Z brian@anonymous.disqus.net Brian 199.125.240.98 wp_id=142659;date=2008-03-03 17:17:17-05:00 http://news.aol.com/story/_a/4...]]> 2008-03-03T22:17:17Z cleahy@cok.net Cheryl 70.108.6.154 wp_id=143094;date=2008-03-08 10:26:07-05:00
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en...]]> 2008-03-08T15:26:07Z steve@anonymous.disqus.net Steve 66.44.125.50 wp_id=159023;date=2008-07-08 17:01:55-04:00
contact me if you'd like to learn more. It cost you nothing, seriously.

www.saysme.tv]]> 2008-07-08T21:01:55Z jonathan@saysme.tv Jonathan 64.183.83.110 wp_id=162622;date=2008-07-29 20:34:30-04:00 I thought you might be interested in this link http://www.peta-sucks.com/araq... as you can gather it the usual hatchet job, but ake a look at the bottom of the page, the last quote under the category 'terrorism', its many things, but terrorism???]]> 2008-07-30T00:34:30Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=162697;date=2008-07-30 09:06:29-04:00 2008-07-30T13:06:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=165723;date=2008-08-19 18:00:12-04:00 2008-08-19T22:00:12Z caroltheartist@aol.com Carol Brown 205.188.117.70 wp_id=173146;date=2008-10-06 16:20:35-04:00
Mammals Facing Extintion Threat]]> 2008-10-06T20:20:35Z asher2789@gmail.com ashley 137.142.177.211 wp_id=173448;date=2008-10-08 10:27:31-04:00 http://www.washingtonpost.com/...=

They're correcting the mistake, or so they say. Of course the state has no say in who is on the watch list, and we as citizens have no way of confirming whether we were on the list, or have been removed from it...

Still, as far as the mindset of the general public goes, it seems like a hopeful article.]]> 2008-10-08T14:27:31Z deboradurant@yahoo.com Deb 63.167.255.152 wp_id=174857;date=2008-10-18 03:37:26-04:00 I have added your blog site to my twitter account as a way to promote your cause.

Eddie ( remove "not_" from email)
http://twitter.com/Regietto]]> 2008-10-18T07:37:26Z eddie_xavier@anonymous.disqus.net Eddie Xavier 70.27.14.119 wp_id=174936;date=2008-10-18 22:52:56-04:00 2008-10-19T02:52:56Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 99.207.160.172 wp_id=176560;date=2008-10-28 10:58:14-04:00 2008-10-28T14:58:14Z hconnor@waterkeeper.org Hannah 96.56.46.42 wp_id=176883;date=2008-10-31 12:22:01-04:00 I was wondering if you knew anything about the military brigade deployed in the U.S. for the elections. I heard, I think Amy Goodman reported on it, that we are currently a police state. Do you know anything about this?

Thanks,]]> 2008-10-31T16:22:01Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 149.2.58.5 wp_id=179402;date=2008-11-19 15:17:34-05:00
See video here: http://getactive.peta.org/camp...

Animal rights group's undercover video captures abuse of turkeys at .Va. farms
By Associated Press
11:02 AM EST, November 19, 2008
LEWISBURG, W.Va. (AP) _ A video released by an animal rights group on Tuesday claims to show horrific abuse of turkeys at West Virginia farms operated by major global poultry grower Aviagen Inc.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals said the video, which includes workers stomping on turkeys' heads and twisting their necks to kill them, was shot by an undercover investigator who worked on the companies' farms for more than two months.

The undercover worker, who was not identified, described stifling, dusty barns where the animals were kept and caught video of several workers killing turkeys, slamming them into metal cages and bragging about previous abuse of the animals.

A company official told The New York Times that they "condemn the abuse of any of the animals in our care and will take swift action to address these issues." They said they would investigate the allegations, which could lead to firing employees who were involved.


A call Wednesday morning to the Alabama headquarters of Aviagen North America was not immediately returned. A call to subsidiary Aviagen Turkeys Inc., in Lewisburg, W.Va., also was not immediately returned.

PETA filed a criminal complaint on Tuesday alleging animal cruelty, according to the Greenbrier County Sheriff's Department.

In West Virginia, felony animal cruelty can be punished by one to three years in prison and up to $5,000 in fines.

Norfolk, Va.-based PETA campaigns most years against the practices of turkey growers before Thanksgiving and encourages Americans to find vegetarian substitutes for the bird, such as tofu. The video showing the turkey abuse was posted on PETA's Web site.

In 2004, PETA carried out a similar undercover video sting in West Virginia against Texas-based Pilgrim's Pride at the company's Moorefield plant.

The company fired 11 employees and provided animal cruelty training throughout its North American operations after that, but a Hardy County grand jury in 2005 refused to indict any of the workers involved.]]> 2008-11-19T20:17:34Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 75.80.174.228 wp_id=181642;date=2008-12-10 18:40:38-05:00 Embargoed until December 11, 2008 at 7:00am EST

New York Times Ad Condemns Humane Society of the United States for Terror Fundraising
Consumer Group: HSUS vice president will keynote benefit for animal-rights terrorism group

Washington -- A full-page ad from the nonprofit Center for Consumer Freedom will appear in the front section of the December 11 New York Times, accusing the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) of helping an animal-rights terrorism group raise money.

On December 13, HSUS Senior Vice President Heidi Prescott is scheduled to deliver a keynote address at The Humane League of Philadelphia’s holiday fundraising party. The Humane League of Philadelphia was founded in July 2002 as the Philadelphia chapter of Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty (SHAC), an organization convicted in 2006 -- along with six of its national leaders -- on federal domestic terrorism charges.

The Humane League of Philadelphia’s own president, Nick Cooney, was convicted in 2006 of making terroristic threats against the children of a pharmaceutical company employee.

The Center for Consumer Freedom’s ad includes a timeline showing the evolution of The Humane League of Philadelphia, and reads in part:
The Humane Society of the United States claims to be a mainstream, peaceful
advocate for animals. Why is it helping a terrorist group raise money?

There’s a lot you don’t know about the Humane Society of the United States. Learn more at www.HumaneWatch.org
Speaking about the Times ad, Center for Consumer Freedom Director of Research David Martosko said: “It’s shocking but true. The Humane Society of the United States is not the mainstream animal-protection group it pretends to be. Consorting with the violent underbelly of the animal rights movement is a clear sign that this group has lost its way. America's dog and cat shelters could benefit from a genuine national Humane Society. But HSUS is just a PETA knock-off with more money and the same warped agenda.”

Martosko continued: “The Humane League of Philadelphia and SHAC Philly are one and the same. SHAC is a convicted terrorist group that has targeted its victims and their families for many years. It’s remarkable that the Humane Society of the United States thought it could get away with lending support to these people.”

The New York Times ad is available at http://humanewatch.org/HSUSad_...]]> 2008-12-10T23:40:38Z markdavidrobison@gmail.com Mark 71.9.23.175 wp_id=181683;date=2008-12-11 11:51:43-05:00 Here's a link.]]> 2008-12-11T16:51:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.65.228 wp_id=181784;date=2008-12-12 12:13:34-05:00
Some here: http://www.morningjournal.com/...

here: http://www.peacechicken.com/20.../

and here: http://www.crossroad.to/articl...

On Monday, December 1, a SWAT team with semi-automatic rifles entered the private home of the Stowers family in LaGrange, Ohio, herded the family onto the couches in the living room, and kept guns trained on parents, children, infants and toddlers, from approximately 11 AM to 8 PM. The team was aggressive and belligerent. The children were quite traumatized. At some point, the "bad cop" SWAT team was relieved by another team, a "good cop" team that tried to befriend the family. The Stowers family has run a very large, well-known food cooperative called Manna Storehouse on the western side of the greater Cleveland area for many years.

[...]

Presumably Manna Storehouse might eventually be charged with running a retail establishment without a license. Why then the Gestapo-type interrogation for a 3rd degree misdemeanor charge? This incident has raised the ominous specter of a restrictive new era in State regulation and enforcement over the nation's private food supply.]]> 2008-12-12T17:13:34Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 157.182.10.210 wp_id=182327;date=2008-12-17 19:04:11-05:00
So what is up with your MySpace account blocking
both of my profiles ? "If" that profile has a problem
a "problem" with me (as it seems to), it could have
sent an e-mail saying so and what about. I figure
that I had probably sent it too much information.

Seems to me that the feds do not need to deem
activists as eco-terrorists. If they just let us be, we
could probably shoot each other in the foot often
enough to be ineffective, anyway.


The Toxic Reverend
http://www.myspace.com/toxicre...
aka
Justice Is Homeless
http://www.myspace.com/justice...]]> 2008-12-18T00:04:11Z toxicreverend@gmail.com Toxic Reverend 70.231.159.105 wp_id=182397;date=2008-12-18 10:19:42-05:00
Yes, it looks like those accounts were blocked because of a very high volume of emails and comments. Please keep in mind that the Green Scare MySpace account has over 4,000 friends, and can be quite time consuming to manage. Blocking those emails wasn't a personal attack. I hope you understand. Best, Will]]> 2008-12-18T15:19:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=183590;date=2008-12-26 22:07:42-05:00 http://www.santacruzsentinel.c...]]> 2008-12-27T03:07:42Z simoncbrown@gmail.com joe 74.220.72.207 wp_id=185775;date=2009-01-06 22:07:32-05:00 The following first paragraph is really the only entertaining part. After that, he blends deep ecologists, ecologists, NASA, the guv'mint, and Henry Thoreau into one jumbled up big bad commie plot.

"For a long time I have felt that the Ecology movement was the new religion for secularists. The Internet even has a web page for “The Church Of Deep Ecology”, but lately I have begun to feel that many, not all, Ecology leaders and fellow travelers are members of the resurgent American Communist Party!"

http://rotenochsen.wordpress.c.../]]> 2009-01-07T03:07:32Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.84 wp_id=195110;date=2009-02-06 11:30:57-05:00 2009-02-06T16:30:57Z could_care_less@anonymous.disqus.net Could Care Less 209.174.128.2 wp_id=204093;date=2009-03-03 11:38:44-05:00
http://news.infoshop.org/artic...

Figured I would just post it here rather than email.]]> 2009-03-03T16:38:44Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.138.191 wp_id=204638;date=2009-03-05 11:17:59-05:00 Just thought I would share this.

"In an earlier interview with the Weekly, Spring labeled her opponents--including 68-year-old Torske--as "terrorists." (See "No More No Kill," Currents, Dec. 18, 2008.) Some observers say that rhetoric is quite calculated, as part of a possible Hermitage strategy to lump Torske, LaRue and Heck together under the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. Passed in 2006, the law was aimed at prosecuting radical animal-rights groups such as the Animal Liberation Front. "

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gb...]]> 2009-03-05T16:17:59Z plarue27@gmail.com Paula 71.220.147.34 wp_id=210691;date=2009-03-25 02:53:23-04:00
It was a real eye-opener and I thought you did a great job speaking objectively about a topic you're obviously passionate about (a sign of a quality journalist). It was just a great speech overall.

Best wishes!]]> 2009-03-25T06:53:23Z mary.bolling@drake.edu Mary Bess 68.177.146.80 wp_id=210792;date=2009-03-25 08:58:20-04:00 2009-03-25T12:58:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.158.63.58 wp_id=218114;date=2009-04-21 12:06:50-04:00
any thoughts on why the anti-defamation league is interested in "eco-terrorists"? i don't see how this fits into their mission. http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_u...]]> 2009-04-21T16:06:50Z mattkaempfer@hotmail.com matt 66.168.211.86 wp_id=218115;date=2009-04-21 12:07:19-04:00 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...
i didnt even have to scroll lower than the headlines and knew it was going to be an a.r. activist they were referring to.]]> 2009-04-21T16:07:19Z k_pcarey@yahoo.com kevin 76.125.15.89 wp_id=218130;date=2009-04-21 15:58:43-04:00 how is it news to do work for the fbi?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/...]]> 2009-04-21T19:58:43Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com xvxdavexvx 69.206.163.238 wp_id=218226;date=2009-04-23 00:29:42-04:00 2009-04-23T04:29:42Z robertkleven1@gmail.com Fixxxer 70.215.118.132 wp_id=218255;date=2009-04-23 08:40:52-04:00
Thank you for commenting. However, I should note that nothing in this website is about defending illegal actions or discussing tactics. It's about whether First Amendment activity and, at the very worst, property destruction, should be labeled as "terrorism." Regardless of how you feel about animal rights activists or environmentalists, it's a waste of law enforcement resources and it makes us all less safe.]]> 2009-04-23T12:40:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=218279;date=2009-04-23 16:23:56-04:00 2009-04-23T20:23:56Z robertkleven1@gmail.com Fixxxer 75.252.11.236 wp_id=218734;date=2009-04-29 22:46:01-04:00 Watched you on Democracy Now! recently. Great job. Amy Goodman was in Silver City for a presentation right after that, what a great speaker! She had an impressive turnout at Western NM Univ. Keep up the good work. Ron]]> 2009-04-30T02:46:01Z ron_gabioud@anonymous.disqus.net Ron Gabioud 70.90.205.225 wp_id=218769;date=2009-04-30 10:11:47-04:00 2009-04-30T14:11:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=223045;date=2009-06-19 21:45:35-04:00
I think it is great that you are blogging about how Greens are really persecuted in the US. I think the next step is to encourage your readers to action.
If enough people contact their elected politicians over and over and over again, maybe we can change the law.]]> 2009-06-20T01:45:35Z kbeiswanger@msn.com Kaye Beiswanger 71.210.186.86 wp_id=223092;date=2009-06-20 17:28:35-04:00
Would you please publicize this petition on your website? We need to get the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (AETA) amended or overturned.

http://www.change.org/farm_ani...

Thanks,
Kaye]]> 2009-06-20T21:28:35Z kbeiswanger@msn.com Kaye Beiswanger 71.210.186.86 wp_id=223240;date=2009-06-23 11:56:11-04:00 2009-06-23T15:56:11Z anncesfrannie@q.com Ann 75.172.68.27 wp_id=223414;date=2009-06-25 17:06:10-04:00 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Good Luck!]]> 2009-06-25T21:06:10Z jimmydeancooper@live.com jimmy cooper 72.171.0.147 wp_id=223508;date=2009-06-26 20:36:21-04:00 2009-06-27T00:36:21Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com xdavex 76.15.8.141 wp_id=225495;date=2009-08-01 13:24:39-04:00
I have your plenary speech at AR2009 in myspace: www.myspace.com/AnthonyMarr --> click "View My Videos" (right underneath the white dog). Enjoy.

Anthony]]> 2009-08-01T17:24:39Z anthony-marr@hope-care.org Anthony Marr 75.155.175.10 wp_id=225758;date=2009-08-06 15:05:46-04:00 2009-08-06T19:05:46Z frances_chapman_nyc@yahoo.com anonymous 173.77.77.31 wp_id=225759;date=2009-08-06 15:06:29-04:00
http://www.beaker.com/#]]> 2009-08-06T19:06:29Z frances_chapman_nyc@yahoo.com anonymous 173.77.77.31 wp_id=227501;date=2009-09-04 15:50:04-04:00 ___________________________________________________

Coming off the great success of the 20th Friendshipment Caravan to Cuba, we want thank all of you for your support, which was vitally
important to making this Caravan a huge success.

We want also to notify all of our network, as we have the Caravanistas themselves, that immediately upon return, infact before my return to
the office, the FBI had visited the IFCO/Pastors for Peace office. Yesterday we learned that Ignacio Meneses of the US/Cuba Labor
Exchange, who travelled to Cuba along with the Venceremos Brigade, recently received a visit by the FBI at his home. Because now two
persons who travelled to Cuba in August have received visits from the FBI, we thought it would be appropriate to share the information that
we sent out to the Caravanistas on August 18th, 2009, to our whole network.

We want to inform you that the IFCO/Pastors for Peace office received a ìvisitî from two FBI agents only one day after the Mexico/US border crossing. On Aug 4th agents arrived saying that they were doing ìcommunity outreachî and stopped by our office to chat and talk with us.
They directly asked if they could come in and talk with us. Of course, we followed the same advice we give everybody who travels with us. We said, ìNo, you cannot come in.î We asked for their address and promised to have our attorney write to them. Our staff then immediately sat down, wrote a statement to describe in detail exactly what had transpired, who said what- every detail. We did this while the visit was fresh in our memories so that we would be less likely to forget any details. These statements/affidavits are in the hands of our attorney.

During orientation and the ìreentry meetingî you were told all the Caravanistas that the FBI might visit them, or their friends, family or co-workers. This is why we briefed them on their rights when the FBI knocks, we are now extending this briefing to our entire network. You are under no obligation to talk with the FBI or let them into your home or workplace. We advise you to get their contact information and let them
know that your attorney will be in touch with them.

A copy of the booklet "When an Agent Knocks," published by the Center for Constitutional Rights is attached. It is also important to let IFCO know immediately if you have been visited by the FBI- and to always make sure to get the cards and badge numbers of any officers that may visit you. Most of all we must remember not to talk to the FBI or let them into our homes. Also if any of you have ever received a letter from OFAC, don't answer the letter. Instead, immediately make a copy of the letter and the front and back of the envelope and send it to IFCO. We will inform you on how to proceed from this point.

If you have any questions or hesitations, please feel free to raise them with us, call, e-mail or write the office.

- Lucius Walker

IFCO/PASTORS FOR PEACE
418 West 145th Street, 3-FL.
New York NY 10031
tel: 212.926.5757 - fax 212.926.5842 - e-mail ifco@igc.org]]> 2009-09-04T19:50:04Z mayer@hiredhand.org John Mayer 174.49.49.131 wp_id=227750;date=2009-09-08 12:34:42-04:00
I hate to say this but it's just going to get worse. Pretty soon if anyone just speaks negatively about an animal enterprise, it could theoretically hurt their profits so therefore they could be charged under the AETA.

Dear Ms. Wilson,

I have received your e-mail and similar ones from others, and want to respond to clarify a few points, although I know that you and others may ignore or dismiss my views.

I first want to underscore our mission as a company. At Novartis, we are dedicated to research and development that seeks new medicines to alleviate patient suffering, which I know well from my personal experience and from years as a physician treating patients. In the context of our work, we have committed to a global approach to animal welfare that follows the highest quality and most stringent global standards. Within our company, we have put in place what we call a 3-R program, which aims at replacing, reducing and refining the use of animals in experiments. Unfortunately, today, also due to regulatory requirements worldwide, there is no equivalent substitute for some animal testing. At Novartis, 60 experts control the adherence to our very high standards, and we are determined to also apply clear quality standards to our suppliers, much as we do in the field of clinical research or manufacturing.

You may have been misinformed and perhaps did not know that Novartis has not worked with Huntington Life Sciences for some time. Moreover, we are also engaged in an ongoing open dialogue with animal welfare organizations who are interested in a constructive exchange.

Needless to say, we strongly condemn the use of violence and terrorist tactics – for whatever rationale – as a substitute for meaningful, productive dialogue. As the author of the e-mail received, you should be aware that willingly or not you are associating yourself with criminal activity, such as extortion and blackmail.

Anybody who by his or her actions ultimately tries to stop medical progress and access to better, potentially life-saving medicines for millions of patients and for animals, who benefit from our animal health products, should be ashamed.

Daniel Vasella]]> 2009-09-08T16:34:42Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 170.63.96.108 wp_id=227807;date=2009-09-09 15:30:43-04:00
are you going to do a piece on the green-red scare job done on Van Jones ?

I know he is pretty lighton, but he is a big scalp.

go for it

cheers

-N]]> 2009-09-09T19:30:43Z niccolo.roberts@gmail.com Nicholas Roberts 65.88.88.174 wp_id=232979;date=2009-12-05 14:24:05-05:00
http://validator.w3.org/check?...

I sent your take action page to everyone on my e-mail list. Now no one is taking me seroiusly because these instructions do not work. Please update & correct these errors. Also, providing a clear contact area would be helpful, thanks!]]> 2009-12-05T19:24:05Z true.vegan@gmail.com Christine 69.183.54.221 wp_id=233124;date=2009-12-07 09:59:03-05:00
I am not sure what you mean by not being able to load the banner. The banners linked to on this page are all active, and there is code included:
http://www.greenisthenewred.co.../

The link you posted is to a RSS feed validator--but you are trying to load a single page, not a feed. I think that is the problem.]]> 2009-12-07T14:59:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=473;date=2006-08-19 14:05:09-04:00
It's kind of a rite-of-passage, getting stigmatized as an eco-terrorist. I've been collecting these stigmata for a while, and feel like its a bit of a measure of ones success, -given that the due process, collaborationism, cooperation route that 'respectable' enviro's go has become so futile and useless in a world facing ecological catastrophe.

Even though I have always only gone the non-violent, civil-disobedient direct action route after having exhausted all due process options, I do exploit the very under-utilized tool of public humiliation, -basically embarrassing and humiliating various CEO's, politicians and other power-people in public, putting their name and face to their crimes before the public.

My collection includes: "despicable fearmonger" -Gary Korpan, Mayor of Nanaimo BC, "environmentalist zealot" -Joyce Murray, former BC Environment Minister and most recently, "eco-terrorist" -Sandy McDade, Vice President, Weyerhaeuser Canada.

It's so utterly Orwellian, getting branded by the very people who are the real eco-terrorists! At our last two-year tree-sitting blockade at Cathedral Grove on Vancouver Island, BC, we all had tee-shirts with "BC Forest Crimes Unit" emblazoned on the back in large yellow letters, while on the front, we had the drunken criminal mugshot of BC's Premier Gordon Campbell, who got shit-faced drunk in Maui and then got busted for drunk-driving, -while on the job!

The Neocon Campbell government is a scourge on this planet, the real "eco-terrorists!"

Thanks again!

Cheers, Ingmar

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~]]> 2006-08-19T18:05:09Z ingmarz@gmail.com Ingmar Lee 61.247.245.100 wp_id=554;date=2006-08-27 10:02:41-04:00
http://www.ecoterrorist.us

-milli]]> 2006-08-27T14:02:41Z moak47@resist.ca milli 84.222.6.98 wp_id=793;date=2006-09-30 23:57:29-04:00
- Long live the movement.]]> 2006-10-01T03:57:29Z genevieve_n54@yahoo.com Genevieve Nichols 208.102.59.237 wp_id=1038;date=2006-10-30 02:31:13-05:00 2006-10-30T07:31:13Z ritarobinett@hotmail.com Rita Robinett 24.166.220.112 wp_id=1039;date=2006-10-30 02:32:46-05:00 2006-10-30T07:32:46Z ritarobinett@hotmail.com Rita Robinett 24.166.220.112 wp_id=59219;date=2007-04-25 00:30:30-04:00 2007-04-25T04:30:30Z winston_smith@anonymous.disqus.net Winston Smith 76.101.31.223 wp_id=85664;date=2007-08-15 03:53:42-04:00 Rita]]> 2007-08-15T07:53:42Z ritarobinett@hotmail.com Rita 24.164.88.33 wp_id=665;date=2006-09-11 16:30:34-04:00 2006-09-11T20:30:34Z purplelamb@earthlink.net j 64.2.103.22 wp_id=2825;date=2006-12-29 02:42:50-05:00
agh. this pisses me off. even more.

okay.

bye.]]> 2006-12-29T07:42:50Z charlie@anonymous.disqus.net charlie 64.131.147.153 wp_id=231606;date=2009-11-19 14:42:59-05:00

1. The politicians don’t want to know
Have confidence that the government really doesn’t want to know what it is you’re getting up to, as long as the effect benefits them. By their very nature, secret police intelligence and espionage organizations operate in secret and often do, “in the national interest”, illegal things or stuff which ordinary folk would regard as grossly unethical —; things that would embarrass the government if they were to be exposed. If anything goes wrong the politicians want to be able to “plausibly deny” they were involved. This relationship hands enormous, uncontrolled, power to your small, ultra-secretive, self-governing elite clustered at the top of the nation’s security “service”. Your colleagues are invariably drawn from the upper reaches of the political and economic elite and of course you know better than anybody what’s in “the national interest” and you have a God-given right to rule. Breaking ranks and talking isn’t in your colleagues’ class nature.


2. Keep things on a need-to-know basis
Keep your security organization compartmentalised and discourage specialist sections from talking to each other. You can plausibly plead security reasons for this. Make sure all information gets passed up the line to your small group at the top who compile and “assess” the overall threat and decide when to act. Thus you control the “narrative” and the timing of the scam. The foot soldiers may shake their heads and wonder at some of the things you come up with, but they’ll be in no position to contradict you. And if they do, it’s a very serious offence. It’ll ruin their careers and could land them a very long stretch in gaol.


3. At the right time, get the president or prime minister involved
When you’ve decided on the optimum time for your security scare and sorted out who your “plotters” will be, it’s important to involve the head of the government. He’ll want to broadcast to the nation, taking credit for keeping the people safe from the terrible plot. He’ll automatically be followed by the leaders of the mainstream opposition parties, all eager to prove their credibility, responsibility and patriotism. As soon as you’ve made the official line clear, the media and the state apparatus will fall into line.


4. “Prove that we lie”
Always remember: it’s breathtakingly easy to claim you’ve “thwarted” something horrible and almost impossible for sceptics to prove that you haven’t. This applies especially if you “thwart” the plot in its early stages. Invariably you’re acting against individuals from a group that’s already been demonised and will be scared to speak up or fight back. The majority will be inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt. Questioning the government in a time of “national emergency” isn’t an easy gig.


5. Don’t worry, they’ll all play their part
Complex conspiracies involving lots of people are entirely unnecessary. All that’s needed is for your close knit, unaccountable group to order those lower down the chain to act on “information received”. They don’t even have to know what the information was. They just have to know the addresses to raid and who to arrest. When they do, they’re sure to find some political or religious literature, or something on the hard drives, or some household chemicals that will, under the circumstances you’ve created, look suspicious. If you’re using agents provocateur, they’ll be able to plant “evidence” and report suspicious conversations to “sex-up” the case. Of course, details will never be available officially or in a verifiable form, but fragments and hints of purported “evidence” can be leaked to selected journalists (see below).


6. Feed the chickens
Keep information in official news releases to an absolute minimum. There’s a plausible excuse for this: more information will harm ongoing investigations and might prejudice the case when it gets to court. In place of any hard attributable facts, provide a steady stream of small leaks “under condition of anonymity” to selected journalists from politically reliable mainstream news organizations. These people are carefully selected for political conservatism and journalistic “responsibility”. Even if they weren’t, they need a story and they’re totally reliant on you for one. It doesn’t matter if the leaked details are outrageously illogical. Even if they’re suspicious of the story, your contacts will run it rather than lose a scoop. In this way you’ll establish an unofficial official narrative that most members of the public will be inclined to accept as something like the truth. They’ve already been conditioned by the media attack-dogs to thoroughly distrust the group from which your victims come so they’ll figure that if the charges are a fit-up the victims are probably guilty of something and it would be prudent to put them away.


7. Politicians who aren’t 100 per cent with you are friends of terrorists
No politician enjoys being attacked as “irresponsible” or accused of being unpatriotic or soft on terrorists. Very few will dare question the allegations in case they’re proved wrong. Most are venal politics junkies making a very good living doing something they enjoy. It’s safer for them to join the chorus condemning terrorism and congratulating you on your vigilance. With any luck, some politicians will show their credentials by loudly criticising you for not acting sooner and more ruthlessly. Those few who are troubled will probably just say nothing.


8. Don’t worry about proving links to real terror groups
Once upon a time, not so long ago, it was felt necessary to show that your local “terrorist cell” was recruited by, and in communication with, al-Qaeda, or some group with actual form some time in the not-too-distant past. This requirement brought its own problems, since evidence of the links often failed to convince, or, worse still, unearthed shady figures with a track record of collaboration with the CIA, MI6 or Mossad.

It’s still a good idea to hint at such links but it isn’t de rigueur because the problem disappeared with the happy invention of the “spontaneously-forming, self-activating” (SFSA) terror cell theory in the aftermath of the 7/7 London bombings. According to the SFSA theory, terrorists don’t have to be recruited or trained. Whenever any three integrated, happy, and successful young Muslim men get together to discuss politics or religion, or even just to play cricket, they spontaneously decide to set up a do-it-yourself terror cell. They scour the internet for recipes for powerful but highly unstable explosives made from sports drinks, peroxide, hair gel, acetone and baby formula. Without outside direction they select targets and decide the day. All you need to “prove” conspiracy was that they met, discussed politics and had in their possession common household chemicals, fizzy drinks and a mobile phone. It doesn’t matter if their conversations show nothing explicit. Just say they were talking in code. If you can show at least one of them has travelled overseas, that’s a plus. If not, assert that they “investigated” booking airline tickets or showed an interest in travelling overseas.

The SFSA theory not only relieves you of having to prove connections to international terror groups, there’s a bonus: it also increases public fear. Any group of young Muslims kicking a ball around in the park is actually planning to blow up trains. Or airliners. Anything you do to these people is likely to be “overlooked”, if not vocally supported by patriotic simpletons.


9. It doesn’t really matter if a court finds them innocent]]> 2009-11-19T19:42:59Z bob_mark@yahoo.com Bob Mark 205.243.120.66 wp_id=234114;date=2009-12-28 23:17:18-05:00 2009-12-29T04:17:18Z ngranite@yahoo.com Noel 69.118.246.208 wp_id=668;date=2006-09-12 12:37:36-04:00 2006-09-12T16:37:36Z truthboi@truth.com truth 12.4.235.151 wp_id=669;date=2006-09-13 10:24:01-04:00
Terrorist is a far over used word. While some acts such as bombing a large number of innocent people to strike fear into the populous is terrorism, throughout history people have branded their political opponents terrorists. Those fighting with Ghandi for the independance of india were considered terrorists, but you would never hear someone today calling peace loving ghandi a terrorist. The actions of the ELF and ALF have a specific purpose, which is to do what they can to save the earth or to save animals. Whether you call them terrorists or heroes does not matter, their actions are no meant to instill fear into people, but to fight for their cause.

I am a new yorker and to be honest, peter young liberating some minks, and planes flying into buildings are so incredibly different that it is sick to consider them at the same level. I would consider nazi groups and groups such as godhatesfags.com much more dangerous than animal rights activists because they have stated aims of eliminating whole groups of people, not trying to save this planet that human beings have been destroying.]]> 2006-09-13T14:24:01Z jonwilkesbooth@gmail.com jon 166.109.0.71 wp_id=756;date=2006-09-26 13:28:24-04:00 I can not urge you strongly enough to look at history so you understand how to peacefully stop this growing wave of anti-compassionate sentiment towards people who care about the natural world that is beginning to engulf this country.
I can not urge you strongly enough to address the public's conscience through talking to neighbors, speaking out, writing, politic'ing, ... to reverse the growing wave of intolerance, to reverse the incarceration of advocates who stood firm on the legal side of the line in their peaceful conviction to protect animals and the environment, to reverse the movement of the line of law that crossed over them, to bring the line of law back to a place where compassion is not a crime.
These are the times that tea parties are about.
Recalling a phrase,
"If you are not concerned; you are not listening."]]> 2006-09-26T17:28:24Z baerwolf@hotmail.com sbaer 146.243.4.157 wp_id=151299;date=2008-05-16 18:36:01-04:00 For health & heart.... Go VEGAN!]]> 2008-05-16T22:36:01Z bea.elliott@verizon.net Bea Elliott 71.122.135.64 wp_id=164601;date=2008-08-09 14:51:14-04:00
…While these terrorists should be condemned and imprisoned, that is not enough. We must wage a principled, intellectual war against the very notion of animal rights; we must condemn it as logically false and morally repugnant. "

Now that's sickening. The whole religious belief that 'God put animals on the earth for our use' is completely inaccurate. If one were to follow a religion as it should, they probably wouldn't be eating animal products at all. Animals are God's creatures, to disrespect them is to disrespect God. Disrespect can be taken in a few directions - not letting them live as they would without our interference (example - letting them roam a farm vs. confining them in cages) or eating them at all. I take the second route, but I feel that the first route is much more doable for most people. If you're gonna eat animal products, you better buy it from a local farmer that lets his animals live as they should rather than confine them until he kills them.]]> 2008-08-09T18:51:14Z asher2789@gmail.com Ashley Handlin 72.89.79.140 wp_id=2765;date=2006-12-27 21:44:53-05:00 2006-12-28T02:44:53Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=79953;date=2007-07-17 09:30:30-04:00 2007-07-17T13:30:30Z stfrancis@anonymous.disqus.net St.Francis 144.96.123.186 wp_id=194489;date=2009-02-04 21:34:07-05:00 2009-02-05T02:34:07Z jspangehl@hotmail.com Jason 98.220.250.237 wp_id=773;date=2006-09-27 15:31:44-04:00 2006-09-27T19:31:44Z wesleyj1977@netscape.net Wes 140.241.0.20 wp_id=777;date=2006-09-27 22:00:10-04:00
I had the privilege to hear you speak at AR2006...you are brilliant and I cannot thank you enough for what you do for US...and for the animals. Your writing is so eloquent, especially for "not having the words to say" in this entry. Because I wasn't there...which I wished SO much I could have been a part....I felt the emptiness and the pain, somewhat, of those who were able to be there. I guess I just sit back and have a hard time believing this is all happening. Why I am surprised? I have no idea. I shouldn't be.

And Wes..I HAVE nothing to say to your horribly insensitive comment.....except for this quote..which was also used in the movie/documentary "BEHIND THE MASK":

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
35th president of US 1961-1963 (1917 - 1963)

And Wes...I think you should WATCH "BEHIND THE MASK" and maybe you will get a clue.

Thanks Will!! And SHAC7...you will always be in my thoughts and be my inspiration!! THANK YOU!]]> 2006-09-28T02:00:10Z grettysk@aol.com Gretchen L. 64.12.116.201 wp_id=808;date=2006-10-03 13:19:43-04:00 Im a teacher and a single (read: evil) mother,
so come and get my airspace!!!!]]> 2006-10-03T17:19:43Z suerobertss@yahoo.com sue roberts 68.35.119.231 wp_id=886;date=2006-10-16 21:53:14-04:00 As animals cannot speak or defend for themselves, they will keep on misusing them! The Devil is on earth and they are the Devil.

"You can judge a nation and it's people by the way they treat their animals" quoted by M. Gandhi]]> 2006-10-17T01:53:14Z arf_sxm@yahoo.com Isa de Luca 200.7.33.230 wp_id=1781;date=2006-12-04 07:45:16-05:00 2006-12-04T12:45:16Z lauhem@netscape.net louise 130.36.75.21 wp_id=141664;date=2008-02-22 13:50:35-05:00 2008-02-22T18:50:35Z astonished@anonymous.disqus.net astonished! 4.153.238.65 wp_id=141726;date=2008-02-23 09:29:23-05:00
Here is an article with a bit more details about the SHAC 7 case, and what they did, and did not, do. As to why some folks like Wes and Louise are so upset, I'll let them answer that, but I think it's safe to say they don't just have a problem with this case but with animal rights beliefs in general.

Thanks for your comment. Best, Will]]> 2008-02-23T14:29:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=778;date=2006-09-28 13:52:50-04:00 2006-09-28T17:52:50Z pauleau@sonic.net Lynn Pauly 70.226.146.71 wp_id=779;date=2006-09-28 18:17:33-04:00
Note also that this is a worldwide effort by BigPharma and their allies. Check, for example, the Guardian UK, the Independent UK, and Times Of London.

TLC]]> 2006-09-28T22:17:33Z terrylc@sbcglobal.net Terry L. Clark 63.201.83.186 wp_id=782;date=2006-09-28 21:30:41-04:00 2006-09-29T01:30:41Z maria_caribe@hotmail.com maria eugenia elias 64.237.156.229 wp_id=189222;date=2009-01-17 13:22:16-05:00
"Smashing windows and blowing stuff up is a great way to bring about animal liberation... and hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it!" -Bruce Freidrich, PETA spokesman at an animal rights rally

"I think [food producers] should appreciate that we’re only targeting their property. Because frankly I think it’s time to start targeting them." -Rodney Coronado

"Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective. We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works." -Ingrid Newkirk

Now, if firebombs, death threats, destruction of property, fearmongering, and violence aren't the key ingredients for terrorism, then I don't know what is, and all of them seem to be valid tactics according to PETA, PCRM, HSUS, ALF, and ELF. Besides, the ALF and ELF are both FBI-certified domestic terrorist groups anyway. They are terrorists, and therefore must be stopped!]]> 2009-01-17T18:22:16Z chaoscontrol89@yahoo.com FoxWing 70.109.18.230 wp_id=189237;date=2009-01-17 14:34:47-05:00 There are so many inaccuracies in your comment it's hard to know where to begin. Perhaps the most glaring, and absurd, comment you make is the very first. Please show many any evidence you have of Ingrid Newkirk and Bruce Freidrich using "firebombs, death threats and violence." News article, court case, you name it. I would love to hear them.

The animal rights and environmental movements, even at their most extreme in this country, have never harmed a single human being. Not one.]]> 2009-01-17T19:34:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.130.252 wp_id=1420;date=2006-11-17 23:50:50-05:00 Rita Robinett]]> 2006-11-18T04:50:50Z ritarobinett@hotmail.com Rita Robinett 24.29.171.110 wp_id=787;date=2006-09-30 11:22:00-04:00 2006-09-30T15:22:00Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com Anonymous 207.172.149.102 wp_id=794;date=2006-10-01 00:48:35-04:00 law on the grounds that it is unconstitutional...maybe take it to the Supreme Court if that's what it takes.

Considering an estimated 1 million veg/AR activists in the U.S. currently (which is probably a gross overestimation), and the 10 billion animals exploited and killed in the U.S. each year (which is probably a significant underestimation), the ratio of activists to suffering animals who need us as their voice is 1
to 10,000. That's pretty astounding when you consider the chilling impact this law will have and the resultant loss of voice for the animals. Very depresssing, indeed. I think we need to get the major AR and AW groups on board with this reality and pound the House of Reps with phone calls, letters, lobbying visits and emails when they come back from recess.]]> 2006-10-01T04:48:35Z kind_dvm@yahoo.com Anonymous 66.159.217.90 wp_id=798;date=2006-10-02 15:19:08-04:00
Of course, now that Congress has repealed the entire history of civil liberties dating back to the Magna Carta, anyone can be indefinitely imprisoned for any length of time, without the need to bother with trials.]]> 2006-10-02T19:19:08Z peacemeow@comcast.net Marc Bedner 69.254.134.3 wp_id=804;date=2006-10-03 10:04:34-04:00 2006-10-03T14:04:34Z owlcaller@hotmail.com gail 206.159.155.180 wp_id=805;date=2006-10-03 10:18:55-04:00 2006-10-03T14:18:55Z mikriel@hast.mvh.state.mn.us Michael R. Kriel 156.99.49.7 wp_id=807;date=2006-10-03 11:05:43-04:00
Since when is preventing violence terrorism? This is coming from the same government that has allowed terrorists to immigrate to the U.S.

People should write to their senators and voice their outrage of such a Bill. IMHO, if it is not overturned, do not elect these people back into office.

Hasn't anyone notice that this bill is in violation of the constituional right of freedom of assembly?

What's next? Are the people who try to prevent spouse and child abuse going to be considered terrorists as well?

It is time for Americans to wake up and do something about the suppression of our freedoms!!!]]> 2006-10-03T15:05:43Z bunnylady@netsync.net Concerned American Citizen 206.159.161.241 wp_id=809;date=2006-10-03 13:37:37-04:00
>

Let's try to do it!!! ;o)]]> 2006-10-03T17:37:37Z adela4total-animal-lib@rcn.com Adela 208.59.132.97 wp_id=810;date=2006-10-03 13:46:06-04:00
Margaret Mead said:

The difficult we do at onece, the impossible takes a little longer.]]> 2006-10-03T17:46:06Z adela4total-animal-lib@rcn.com Adela 208.59.132.97 wp_id=795;date=2006-10-01 19:39:37-04:00
I'm impressed by how you kept your cool while they kept cutting you off and telling you to take a course in logic. That really took guts.

Thank you.]]> 2006-10-01T23:39:37Z noemail@dodgeit.com D 65.96.190.79 wp_id=799;date=2006-10-02 17:45:41-04:00
I made a phone call to my representatives, but I am humbled, and truly grateful, for your contribution.

We (your human and non-human animal family) are incredibly fortunate to have your voice on our side. Thank you a thousand times.

Julia
Flower Mound, TX]]> 2006-10-02T21:45:41Z monkey60613@yahoo.com Julia 70.141.148.162 wp_id=802;date=2006-10-03 00:13:20-04:00 2006-10-03T04:13:20Z kellogg.debbie@gmail.com Debbie 74.60.8.113 wp_id=817;date=2006-10-05 17:52:35-04:00 2006-10-05T21:52:35Z whheee@netscape.com Lisa Blanck 66.255.145.66 wp_id=818;date=2006-10-05 19:07:19-04:00
How American.]]> 2006-10-05T23:07:19Z crustyliam@yahoo.com Liam 69.242.90.233 wp_id=819;date=2006-10-05 19:23:11-04:00 2006-10-05T23:23:11Z siskind8@msn.com theresa siskind 71.99.115.49 wp_id=825;date=2006-10-06 15:23:13-04:00 2006-10-06T19:23:13Z xveganx@dod.net xYosefx 71.202.175.207 wp_id=837;date=2006-10-08 22:57:18-04:00 2006-10-09T02:57:18Z kslagle11@email.com Pugger 24.238.69.146 wp_id=839;date=2006-10-09 02:03:22-04:00 2006-10-09T06:03:22Z mseevans@myway.com Marisa 70.143.94.186 wp_id=856;date=2006-10-12 12:25:34-04:00 2006-10-12T16:25:34Z fortheluvofanimals@hotmail.com Adam 209.190.239.243 wp_id=865;date=2006-10-13 15:03:46-04:00
I'm shocked by the lack of media coverage. I thought those supporting this bill in government and industry would make a point by promoting it. The lack of discussion makes it all the more ominous.]]> 2006-10-13T19:03:46Z adam.durand@gmail.com Adam Durand 74.39.209.187 wp_id=1146;date=2006-11-11 15:08:06-05:00 2006-11-11T20:08:06Z mary.aratounian@wamu.net mary 68.124.160.16 wp_id=1151;date=2006-11-11 22:01:27-05:00 this bill? I have read both pro and con on the subject. Let me say this, I am all for helping animals
and and protecting animal rights in any way. So,
having stated this, how should I vote: yes or no.

Thanks,
Georgetta]]> 2006-11-12T03:01:27Z corbin1229@yahoo.com Georgetta Goodman 70.173.28.50 wp_id=1156;date=2006-11-12 12:05:56-05:00 2006-11-12T17:05:56Z karina.rollins@gmail.com Karina 65.122.21.50 wp_id=1159;date=2006-11-12 19:17:19-05:00 2006-11-13T00:17:19Z dreamkatchr3368@yahoo.com Lissa 71.71.240.12 wp_id=1162;date=2006-11-13 00:18:43-05:00 2006-11-13T05:18:43Z tart777@yahoo.com Tahler 71.221.74.191 wp_id=1172;date=2006-11-13 13:54:03-05:00 2006-11-13T18:54:03Z shannonmorgan36@yahoo.com Shannon 76.187.52.2 wp_id=1176;date=2006-11-13 14:45:12-05:00 2006-11-13T19:45:12Z shannonmorgan36@yahoo.com Shannon 76.187.52.2 wp_id=1235;date=2006-11-13 20:55:07-05:00
In order to be guilty of the crime defined in the amended senate version, a person must damage or cause the loss of real or personal property or threaten somebody with bodily harm, with the intent of interfering with the operations of an animal enterprise. (The House version is not as specific, referring only to "property.") In legalese, the actus reus (the guilty act) of the crime is damaging or causing the loss of property or threatening to harm someone. The punishment section, where the issue of "economic damage" comes up, is irrelevant unless you first commit the crime, i.e., damage property or threaten somebody.

The statute defines "economic damage" in the punishment section as including loss of profits, which by negative implication means that damaging or causing the loss of real or personal property (which is the criminal activity) is not merely causing a loss of profits- otherwise the statute would say "anyone who causes economic damage to an animal enterprise is guilty of a crime." In other words, the actus reus would be "causing economic harm," which it is not. Besides, lost profits (i.e., what they think the company would have made if its property hadn't been damaged) cannot be personal property or property in the general sense because you cannot own something that exists only in theory (and lost profits obviously aren't land-real property). In order to commit the crime, one has to do something active like break a door, set the animals free from a fur farm, burn a lab's records, etc. (And people can nonetheless debate whether that is a legitimate way to work for animal rights.)

I don't think that this amended statute expands the existing crime, in fact, it seems to me it makes it more clear that activities like protesting, boycotting, etc., that do not involve breaking something or threatening to hurt somebody, are not criminalized by the statute. What it does do is make the punishments harsher for people who do what is already illegal. While this is evidence of Congress giving a gift to big business most likely in return for campaign donations, I don't see the AETA (as amended in the senate version) as the attack on the First Amendment that people have made it out to be. I think that by sounding the alarm bells in the manner I have witnessed, animal rights organizations might actually be making things worse in terms of "chilling" people's willingness to speak out for animals.

Has the "danger" of eco- and animal rights- terrorism been overblown by the Bush Admin and the media and could the AETA been seen as Congress and big business acting to further nip away at the environmental and animal rights movements- sure. Is the FBI going to be arresting people who peacefully picket in front of a KFC and charging them with terrorism- not under this statute.]]> 2006-11-14T01:55:07Z suprokid@gmail.com Suprokid 208.239.204.208 wp_id=1240;date=2006-11-13 21:26:12-05:00 2006-11-14T02:26:12Z suprokid@gmail.com Suprokid 208.239.204.208 wp_id=1296;date=2006-11-14 15:56:43-05:00 I imagine you're working feverishly on an article about the passage of AETA yesterday. Such a travesty that it passed. Now we have to work for repeal which will be even more challenging.
Do you know how I can get video or audio media file of the house floor procedure on AETA yesterday? I want to post it on the site.
Thanks,
Rocky]]> 2006-11-14T20:56:43Z rocky@stopaeta.org Rockney Shepheard 207.255.81.96 wp_id=1321;date=2006-11-14 22:34:26-05:00 Thanks for all this information. Unfortunately, I only discovered this outrage today. Do you know why the word "legal" was not added to the definition of "Animal Enterprise" like the ACLU requested?]]> 2006-11-15T03:34:26Z kent402@rockisland.com kilthistle 64.119.14.83 wp_id=128400;date=2007-12-18 15:09:33-05:00 www.shac7.com
We need good constitutional attorneys to challenge this. Where are they?
I feel ashamed to be an American now. First the Patriot Act now this.

Do you have the voting record of the senators and reps on this law?]]> 2007-12-18T20:09:33Z ecolville@optonline.net Elisabeth Colville 24.190.24.116 wp_id=849;date=2006-10-11 09:13:55-04:00
Dana]]> 2006-10-11T13:13:55Z dvegan@gmail.com Dana Johnson 69.92.150.211 wp_id=850;date=2006-10-11 10:04:03-04:00
BRILLIANT!!! (and I am STILL laughing...) XXX to you, Will Potter. :)]]> 2006-10-11T14:04:03Z grettysk@aol.com Gretchen Littlefield 64.12.116.201 wp_id=1073;date=2006-11-05 11:07:28-05:00 2006-11-05T16:07:28Z mofo@inlex.net Billy Mofo 208.59.117.29 wp_id=857;date=2006-10-12 18:04:20-04:00
Awesome and dead-nuts on analysis.Thanks!

I have only one question regarding the following text...

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(a) Offense- Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce,
or uses or causes to be used the mail or any facility of interstate
or foreign commerce—

(1) for the purpose of damaging or interfering with the
operations of an animal enterprise; and
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(Just an off point that's not terribly germain but I am curious.)

Does this mean that you may commit all of the offenses detailed as long as you don't travel in interstate or foreign commerce, or use the mail or any facility of interstate or foreign commerce, and not be culpable under that law?

ie. Can a group of thrity neighbors protest the KFC two block from them, causing KFC $11,000 lost profits as long as no mail or email was used to organize the event? It seems that if (a) does not apply then all of the subsequent statements are not applicable.

Thanks,
Rocky]]> 2006-10-12T22:04:20Z rocky@stopaeta.org Rocky Shepheard 207.255.81.96 wp_id=858;date=2006-10-12 18:57:07-04:00 2006-10-12T22:57:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.91 wp_id=864;date=2006-10-13 13:22:30-04:00

sincerley,
jane]]> 2006-10-13T17:22:30Z soda44@aol.com jane 24.97.221.26 wp_id=1020;date=2006-10-28 09:09:04-04:00
10``(B) does not include any lawful economic disruption that results from lawful public, governmental, or business reaction to the disclosure of information about an animal enterprise;

Wouldn't that accomodate any undercover investigations/whistleblowing? As long as only facts are being made public, doesn't that make it "lawful ecoonomic disruption ... based on disclosure of information"?

I certainly support free speech and hope I live to see the end of animal cruelty. I also, however, understand the need to protect people and their families from being threatened by those who hold different opinions ... it's so difficult to read proposed legislation and understand where the line has really been drawn.

Thanks for the helpful analysis!]]> 2006-10-28T13:09:04Z lpeters@catsanonymous.org Lisa Kay 69.28.2.106 wp_id=1041;date=2006-10-30 09:44:23-05:00 The "lawful public reaction" to the investigation would be exempted from the law through that clause, however the actual investigation might not. For instance, take the Wegmans investigation. Adam Durand was sentenced to six months for trespassing and rescuing a handful of chickens, as part of a filmed undercover investigation. In this case, if people stopped by eggs because of the film, the government couldn't go after consumers with AETA, but they certainly could have gone after Adam.

Whistleblowing wouldn't be exempted, either, on the same ground. "Lawful public reaction" to the whistleblowing case would be exempted, but what if the whistleblower is accused of "trespass"?]]> 2006-10-30T14:44:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=1045;date=2006-10-31 13:26:02-05:00 http://green-gazette.blogspot....]]> 2006-10-31T18:26:02Z mirandasp@comcast.net Miranda Spencer 68.38.127.200 wp_id=1067;date=2006-11-04 07:54:35-05:00 www.watchingpolitics.com in the hope it will do some good.]]> 2006-11-04T12:54:35Z sidneygendin@watchingpolitics.com Sidney Gendin 68.40.169.83 wp_id=1096;date=2006-11-07 05:30:46-05:00
In all the hubbub about Foley and the end of habeas corpus, I never even noticed this. Man, your country is getting scary.

Snarky]]> 2006-11-07T10:30:46Z popesnarky@gmail.com Pope Snarky Goodfella OTUC, PO 70.68.181.129 wp_id=1150;date=2006-11-11 21:49:42-05:00 http://blog.elainevigneaul.com
Thank you for the thorough analysis.]]> 2006-11-12T02:49:42Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 66.108.158.136 wp_id=1353;date=2006-11-15 22:34:23-05:00 http://tinyurl.com/yc9v8b
(I have opened a discussion on Care2.com: http://tinyurl.com/y4nexu)

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As a veteran of the terror attack on the WTC on 9/11/2001, I know what terror is. Congress and the courts are simply liars; they are using our fears of terror to protect cruelty, a form of terror in of itself, albeit to animals. Civil disobedience is not terror; police brutality is.

Terror, as practiced by experts such as bin Laden, specifically targets the glands in the center of the brains of a population with the stress of horror so as to inflict them with post traumatic stress disorder.

Any other use of the word terror is an insult to all the people who have made sacrifices as rescuers, in wars, or in defense of others; they as heros have very likely suffered trauma disorders.

The US congress has chosen to insult the most dedicated and loyal members of American society. In many respects, this act of congress has nothing to do with eco-terror.

Another equally sickening aspect of the bill was support for the bill by the ACLU. In a letter that was used to endorse the bill written by the ACLU, the writers, offered the following contradictory text:

Hubert H. Humphrey once said "Freedom is hammered out on the anvil of discussion, dissent and debate."

~and~

When Congress singles out a group on one side of a debate for criminal penalties, it must be careful to avoid silencing the discussion, dissent and debate that is so fundamental to our freedom.

Full text:
http://www.aclu.org/images/gen...

Here the ACLU admits that they act is purely unconstitutional: the government, as if you don't know, cannot under the laws of the land single anyone out for punishment specifically because their beliefs. Furthermore, humane beliefs are spiritual and faith-based in nature; the first amendment protects faith as well as free speech.]]> 2006-11-16T03:34:23Z john.van.v@gmail.com john_van_v 68.175.95.19 wp_id=1514;date=2006-11-21 13:40:13-05:00
Some of the text that you point out here does not appear in the final version of the bill.]]> 2006-11-21T18:40:13Z concerned@anonymous.disqus.net concerned 63.144.20.174 wp_id=1767;date=2006-12-03 22:06:09-05:00 2006-12-04T03:06:09Z ka_yun_yoon@yahoo.com ka yun yoon 68.57.77.196 wp_id=1913;date=2006-12-09 01:28:04-05:00 There are reports of grave descration in order to influence the closing of a breeding laboratory in the UK

http://brianoconnor.typepad.co.../
10/grave_desecrati.html

That, regard of reason, is wrong and is terrorism in my view.]]> 2006-12-09T06:28:04Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 58.168.148.117 wp_id=1914;date=2006-12-09 01:31:55-05:00 http://brianoconnor.typepad.co.../
grave_desecrati.html

The actions in the article, with respect to john_van_v, is terrorism in my eyes.
Such 'people' if you call them that, deserve the full force of this legislation, and I can not blame the US for bringing it in.]]> 2006-12-09T06:31:55Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 58.168.148.117 wp_id=6089;date=2007-01-30 11:18:19-05:00 2007-01-30T16:18:19Z james.andrew@yahoo.com Nikolas 72.36.169.58 wp_id=63083;date=2007-05-15 10:31:34-04:00 2007-05-15T14:31:34Z asoca@us.partnershipview.com Alvin Socasana 129.42.208.182 wp_id=74882;date=2007-06-28 18:38:11-04:00 2007-06-28T22:38:11Z ndediger@yahoo.com Don Ediger 71.222.126.97 wp_id=79370;date=2007-07-15 21:14:30-04:00 The true terrorists are those which exploit, vivisect, experiment on, use as a resource to be owned or think expendable any animal within nature or domestication....this usually comes from governments and capitalistic corporations.]]> 2007-07-16T01:14:30Z vajrapani619@yahoo.com DarkHorse 207.200.116.68 wp_id=81544;date=2007-07-25 13:06:28-04:00 Remember:
"If we are trespassing, so were the soldiers who broke down the gates of Hitlers death camps. If we are thieves so were the members of the underground railroad who freed the slaves of the south; and if we are the vandals, so were those who destroyed forever the gas chambers of Buchanwald and Auchwitz..."]]> 2007-07-25T17:06:28Z shari@anonymous.disqus.net Shari 69.221.219.154 wp_id=124572;date=2007-12-07 13:31:05-05:00 concerned who said "I printed out the final version of the bill, and I don’t see how the First Amendment right to express oneself is subverted. Section (e) protects those who peaceably protest and dissent."

This really brings to bear the nature of protest. A protest should essentially be the means where citizens can confront their government in a public and presumably "unregulated" space (albeit, perhaps unprotected). By regulating this public space (i.e. by issuing permits that grants citizens the ability to protest, where, and what for) the government effectively reinforces its own political sovereignty. This is a means of government censure, devaluing the nature of free speech and proposing a means for silencing dissent.

Here are some interesting links:
Permitting Protest/Silencing Dissent
A permit? We protest
Permission to Protest Protest Permits?

What is the difference between a riot and a protest? Some would say violence. Others might say a permit.]]> 2007-12-07T18:31:05Z jayme.diane@gmail.com Jayme 24.218.167.208 wp_id=1068;date=2006-11-04 15:01:24-05:00
Thanks to you, this issue has been getting some ink; I appreciate your in-depth look at this and the interviews you've been giving. If the fact that I am the only person to comment on this story is any indication, I fear activists are doomed. Why aren't we making more of a fuss? Indeed, why aren't we for the moment focusing our energy on this RIGHT NOW, rather than engaging in the welfarist v. abolitionist debate? This Act threatens to hinder our ability to advocate for animals, and if we don't come together in solidarity, our cause could be lost.]]> 2006-11-04T20:01:24Z nga_sha_zamet@yahoo.com Mark Hawthorne 71.138.130.119 wp_id=1173;date=2006-11-13 14:29:43-05:00
Second, I'm confused about the meaning of the following statement from AETA (which I see quoted everywhere):

"economic damage...does not include any lawful economic disruption (including a lawful boycott) that results from lawful public, governmental, or business reaction to the disclosure of information about an animal enterprise."

What is meant by a "reaction to the disclosure of information"? Also, can you clarify how, as the ACLU claims, the First Amendment covers much more than a reaction to a disclosure?

Thanks!]]> 2006-11-13T19:29:43Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 151.203.70.87 wp_id=1177;date=2006-11-13 14:50:02-05:00
Furthermore, notice how many times that “exemption” uses the word lawful. All activists I’ve interviewed have plenty of stories about frivolous charges and trumped up charges (”disorderly conduct” and “trespassing” seem to be two favorites of law enforcement agents who can’t get anything else to stick). At the point any of those baseless, non-violent charges are added into the equation (like if an investigator sneaks onto corporate property to film animal abuse) the already-weak protections of that exemption don’t even apply.]]> 2006-11-13T19:50:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=64190;date=2007-05-20 07:54:32-04:00 2007-05-20T11:54:32Z admin@rootsweb.com Ring 217.26.150.74 wp_id=1138;date=2006-11-10 17:10:29-05:00 2006-11-10T22:10:29Z sepata@aol.com Jade 74.60.18.218 wp_id=7008;date=2007-02-03 06:26:52-05:00 2007-02-03T11:26:52Z sda@yahoo.com Abi 81.177.14.26 wp_id=7040;date=2007-02-03 10:25:29-05:00 2007-02-03T15:25:29Z hfgh@yahoo.com Abigail 81.177.14.26 wp_id=1097;date=2006-11-07 05:34:44-05:00
"Los Angeles- Search warrants were served on the residences Tuesday of two North American Animal Liberation Press Officers by the Santa Monica Police Department."

Well, that was unusually polite of them. They must have forgotten that they don't need habeas corpus when dealing with "terrorists" anymore. I wonder if they're ill...

Snarky]]> 2006-11-07T10:34:44Z popesnarky@gmail.com Pope Snarky Goodfella OTUC, PO 70.68.181.129 wp_id=1139;date=2006-11-10 21:05:57-05:00 2006-11-11T02:05:57Z call1@hotmail.com MR 68.115.16.186 wp_id=1556;date=2006-11-23 13:16:05-05:00 2006-11-23T18:16:05Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=1149;date=2006-11-11 20:05:43-05:00 Keep Up the Good Work Good People, and dont let the @&*+%_s get you down!]]> 2006-11-12T01:05:43Z qarr@nycap.rr.com Christine Jubic 74.70.191.179 wp_id=93907;date=2007-09-18 00:24:18-04:00
Why isn't there more outrage?]]> 2007-09-18T04:24:18Z enigma.foundry@gmail.com enigma_foundry 76.198.234.163 wp_id=1158;date=2006-11-12 16:28:30-05:00 2006-11-12T21:28:30Z info@njerisims.net Njeri 24.221.172.89 wp_id=1570;date=2006-11-24 17:43:00-05:00 2006-11-24T22:43:00Z panda.miranda666@ntlworld.com queenpanda 82.7.52.112 wp_id=1575;date=2006-11-25 07:13:05-05:00 2006-11-25T12:13:05Z puppypincher@yahoo.co.uk keith mann 217.171.137.241 wp_id=1171;date=2006-11-13 13:45:13-05:00
Make sure your voice is among them. Don't let the ag industry and other anti-activism groups bully this through.]]> 2006-11-13T18:45:13Z nga_sha_zamet@yahoo.com Mark Hawthorne 12.4.26.248 wp_id=1422;date=2006-11-17 23:56:44-05:00 2006-11-18T04:56:44Z valexplore@hotmail.com Valerie Traina 70.59.31.67 wp_id=1208;date=2006-11-13 18:19:48-05:00
They voted for it; why disappoint them?]]> 2006-11-13T23:19:48Z johnsolent2202@comcast.net john winston 71.57.172.64 wp_id=1251;date=2006-11-13 22:37:24-05:00 I am dedicated to protecting animals in research facilities and would do what it takes to prevent the cruel detaining in cages and torture of these animals when we all know there are other more humane methods of doing research without animal subjects. We also know that there are multiple duplicate tests all over the country at research labs conducting the same experiments unnecessesarily.
I am passionate on this issue and intend to will all my possessions and money to animal rights groups that fight animal testing and so-called "lab research."
Elisabeth Howard]]> 2006-11-14T03:37:24Z lizhoward@vocalpower.com Elisabeth Howard 71.108.22.157 wp_id=1276;date=2006-11-14 10:44:49-05:00
We must take a hard look at animal advocates' role in bringing about this bill. See: http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Oct06/Hall31.htm (discusses the role of HSUS et al. in supporting the campaigns of the Rep. Petri, who introduced this legislation, plus much more).

HSUS sent this legislative action alert the morning of the AETA vote. They didn't even mention the AETA!

From: HSUS
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:34 AM
To: Noah Lewis
Subject: Horses, dogs, and seals at the tipping point

A special message from HSUS President Wayne Pacelle

Dear Noah,

Our campaigns to abolish horse slaughter, stop animal fighting, and end the Canadian seal hunt are all at critical stages. With Congress returning today for its "lame-duck" session, we have just a few days left to push key bills over the finish line to protect horses and dogs. We are so close on both! And Canada’s baby seals received some good and bad news over the past few weeks. On the heels of our historic Election Day victories for farm animals and mourning doves, I want to update you on what is happening right now:

[asks people to contact their legislators about horses and animal fighting]]]> 2006-11-14T15:44:49Z nlewis@friendsofanimals.org Noah Lewis 204.60.97.233 wp_id=1279;date=2006-11-14 10:51:34-05:00 2006-11-14T15:51:34Z amequohi@hotmail.com Anastasia 71.169.128.101 wp_id=1281;date=2006-11-14 11:42:55-05:00 2006-11-14T16:42:55Z jenniequeenb@yahoo.com Jennie Baratta 192.251.125.85 wp_id=1179;date=2006-11-13 16:10:57-05:00 http://clerk.house.gov/evs/200.../]]> 2006-11-13T21:10:57Z adam.durand@gmail.com Adam Durand 74.39.209.187 wp_id=1183;date=2006-11-13 17:06:59-05:00 2006-11-13T22:06:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=1182;date=2006-11-13 16:54:19-05:00 2006-11-13T21:54:19Z nga_sha_zamet@yahoo.com Mark Hawthorne 12.4.26.248 wp_id=1184;date=2006-11-13 17:15:02-05:00 2006-11-13T22:15:02Z kim.berardi@gmail.com Kim 65.102.180.214 wp_id=1185;date=2006-11-13 17:28:01-05:00 2006-11-13T22:28:01Z njannounce@riseup.net jersey 68.80.215.243 wp_id=1186;date=2006-11-13 17:33:32-05:00 2006-11-13T22:33:32Z antifursociety@msn.com Rosa Close 74.245.57.206 wp_id=1187;date=2006-11-13 17:37:35-05:00
I can't thank you enough for posting all this up-to-date info. Now I need to call all my friends and tell them to call their reps again and say how disappointed they are... :(

Do you know if there's any way to get a list of reps who voted up/down? I'm a little confused by the whole process.]]> 2006-11-13T22:37:35Z drew.vegan@gmail.com Drew 65.96.190.79 wp_id=1188;date=2006-11-13 17:40:06-05:00
Take heart; somethings things have to get a lot worse before they get better.

Change 'gonna come.]]> 2006-11-13T22:40:06Z pucelle@mindspring.com Ninsuna 24.170.134.152 wp_id=1189;date=2006-11-13 17:41:49-05:00 2006-11-13T22:41:49Z ssdalrescue@comcast.net Lesley Sterger 24.12.87.167 wp_id=1190;date=2006-11-13 17:43:13-05:00 2006-11-13T22:43:13Z punk4cb@yahoo.com chris 67.186.203.99 wp_id=1191;date=2006-11-13 17:44:34-05:00 2006-11-13T22:44:34Z rebecca.smart@yahoo.com rebecca 72.196.19.50 wp_id=1192;date=2006-11-13 17:46:15-05:00 Thanks for the support Drew. Unfortunately there won't be any list available of how lawmakers voted, because this passed by a voice vote, straight up or down. It passed the Senate in a similar way, by unanimous consent.]]> 2006-11-13T22:46:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=1193;date=2006-11-13 17:51:33-05:00
I am confused - did the House pass the Senate's version? Or their own version? I assume the former since it goes to the President for a signature. Thanks for the update about this misguided legislation - I am sorry to hear that only one Congressman, Rep. Kucinich, has the intelligence to see why this is bad law.]]> 2006-11-13T22:51:33Z drlaws@adelphia.net Charlotte Laws 68.67.143.183 wp_id=1194;date=2006-11-13 17:56:07-05:00 2006-11-13T22:56:07Z sillaryhill@yahoo.com Hillary 67.135.120.178 wp_id=1195;date=2006-11-13 17:56:37-05:00 2006-11-13T22:56:37Z coach@dallasrising.com Dallas Rising 71.39.103.179 wp_id=1196;date=2006-11-13 17:58:15-05:00
Hi Charlotte. Yes, the House passed the Senate version, which made very minor changes to the original bill.]]> 2006-11-13T22:58:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=1197;date=2006-11-13 17:58:25-05:00
Is there anything else we can do?]]> 2006-11-13T22:58:25Z deboradurant@yahoo.com Deb 69.143.163.84 wp_id=1198;date=2006-11-13 18:01:04-05:00
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech...]]> 2006-11-13T23:01:04Z justin_goodman@sbcglobal.net Justin Goodman 137.99.43.224 wp_id=1199;date=2006-11-13 18:03:07-05:00
Hey Justin. Here's a link to the ACLU's more recent letter to Sensenbrenner saying they will not oppose. http://www.aclu.org/safefree/g...]]> 2006-11-13T23:03:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=1202;date=2006-11-13 18:07:52-05:00 In other words, what's stopping us from just starting to burn stuff???
f*ckers... sorry, but this is not good.]]> 2006-11-13T23:07:52Z saving_love@hotmail.com Eve 65.73.237.83 wp_id=1203;date=2006-11-13 18:10:00-05:00 2006-11-13T23:10:00Z digital_cat_girl@hotmail.com andy 200.116.197.82 wp_id=1205;date=2006-11-13 18:14:36-05:00
Thanks so much for that link. I wasn't able to find it for some reason.

Also, thanks for all of your hard work. I know that I speak for many of us when I say that I truly appreciate your efforts to make these materials and your analyses available for all of us.

For animals,

Justin]]> 2006-11-13T23:14:36Z justin_goodman@sbcglobal.net Justin Goodman 137.99.43.224 wp_id=1206;date=2006-11-13 18:17:14-05:00
I have yet to see the vote breakdown, but am sure he was on the wrong side. Because...

Nussle has long distinguished himself as consistently wrong, from a humane and progressive perspective. Fortunately, he lost his bid to become Iowa's next governor.]]> 2006-11-13T23:17:14Z dcl.trueleft@burningmail.com David Larson 64.12.116.201 wp_id=1207;date=2006-11-13 18:18:26-05:00 2006-11-13T23:18:26Z earthagent@yahoo.com Defender 204.169.52.51 wp_id=1210;date=2006-11-13 18:24:02-05:00 2006-11-13T23:24:02Z nbrinker@mail.com Nancy 69.115.89.59 wp_id=1212;date=2006-11-13 18:26:35-05:00
I don't know what to say. I am in shock..and then again, I expected it. Where do we go from here? What can we do now?

I agree with what another viewer said, more or less...that this won't stop us fighting for the rights of the voiceless.

It is disgusting to see how much these reps stick up for one another at the expense of our own rights. Money talks. They could care less about us. This is a sad SAD day....and after I greive for a VERY SHORT TIME, I will get back out there and FIGHT. It didn't stop them in the UK when the Serious Organized Crime and Police Act 2005 restricted protests and demonstrations and allowed arrests and search warrants to be issued for almost ANY reason, it seems. We cannot let this stop us!! It may get more difficult, but it WON'T STOP US!!! Never. sigh.

Thanks again, Will....for all you do for us and the animals.]]> 2006-11-13T23:26:35Z grettysk@aol.com Gretchen Littlefield 64.12.116.201 wp_id=1213;date=2006-11-13 18:30:46-05:00



FROM VENEZUELA PLEASE LEAD ME A mail I WANT TO DO REALLY GOOD HERE ITS TRULLY VERY SAD]]> 2006-11-13T23:30:46Z hectorj_rv@hotmail.com hector 200.109.69.144 wp_id=1214;date=2006-11-13 18:32:15-05:00 as a pacifist this makes me sad, as a Canadian it worries me, because our government will soon follow.
Stay strong, and if you guys ever need to bring the fight to Canada...we can start another underground railroad...]]> 2006-11-13T23:32:15Z antoine.dem@sympatico.ca Antoine 65.93.94.180 wp_id=1215;date=2006-11-13 18:32:44-05:00 2006-11-13T23:32:44Z hectorj_rv@hotmail.com hector 200.109.69.144 wp_id=1216;date=2006-11-13 18:53:34-05:00
First, let me second what Justin said and thank you for your hard work to keep us all abreast of what is happening in the political world.

Second, this bill is an attempt to chill activism and free speech and it is the animal exploiter's only hope to keep us at bay. We still have the power to deny them their victory by continuing the successful campaigns like the campaign to stop animal cruelty at Huntingdon Life Sciences.

Being in prison is nothing compared to what the animals go through in the labs, the factory farms and the kill "shelters". We must continue the fight. We just need to be smarter and more careful about what we do and who we talk to about it.

Until all are free,

Camille
Win Animal Rights]]> 2006-11-13T23:53:34Z govegan@optonline.net Camille Hankins 69.114.134.4 wp_id=1217;date=2006-11-13 18:56:15-05:00 2006-11-13T23:56:15Z laurajrussell@hotmail.com Laura 70.127.146.192 wp_id=1218;date=2006-11-13 19:14:23-05:00 2006-11-14T00:14:23Z cornelia@anonymous.disqus.net Cornelia 71.218.249.154 wp_id=1220;date=2006-11-13 19:21:41-05:00 2006-11-14T00:21:41Z cornelia@anonymous.disqus.net Cornelia 71.218.249.154 wp_id=1221;date=2006-11-13 19:25:30-05:00 The congressman's assistant was asking me my name and address. For a second I hestitated not to give him my personal info... I realized how this government is using KGB tactics to scare people.
By passing this billed they just put the
nail on the couffin.

Whoever prefers Security over Freedom
deserves neither!]]> 2006-11-14T00:25:30Z firstsimba@aol.com Eddie Mah 68.120.90.119 wp_id=1222;date=2006-11-13 19:29:46-05:00 2006-11-14T00:29:46Z firstsimba@aol.com Eddie Mah 68.120.90.119 wp_id=1223;date=2006-11-13 19:54:43-05:00 2006-11-14T00:54:43Z michelle.k.robinson@comcast.net michelle 24.62.22.38 wp_id=1224;date=2006-11-13 19:56:28-05:00 2006-11-14T00:56:28Z melgraj2@aol.com Melanie 152.163.100.68 wp_id=1225;date=2006-11-13 20:05:25-05:00 Compassion for all creatures is the only way to cure
the ills of this world. We must gain numbers and make
our voices louder.We will not give up. WE SHALL OVERCOME.]]> 2006-11-14T01:05:25Z barbara.bellino@verizon.net Barbara Bellino 71.250.182.131 wp_id=1226;date=2006-11-13 20:07:06-05:00
Someone please let us know what we should do next, I can not accept this, and I'm a little ticked off at the A/R groups for not making a bigger deal out of this.]]> 2006-11-14T01:07:06Z maryccr@comcast.net Mary Colleen 67.167.113.130 wp_id=1228;date=2006-11-13 20:25:49-05:00
We can put our head together and we'll WIN! Don't give up!!!

-Kansinee Adsanatham]]> 2006-11-14T01:25:49Z kansinee_a@hotmail.com Kansinee Adsanatham 216.239.124.38 wp_id=1229;date=2006-11-13 20:34:05-05:00 2006-11-14T01:34:05Z fosseygirl@aol.com Charlene 71.175.0.247 wp_id=1230;date=2006-11-13 20:35:51-05:00
"Until one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened."
Anatole France]]> 2006-11-14T01:35:51Z keas3462@mypacks.net Carol 4.236.207.66 wp_id=1231;date=2006-11-13 20:37:09-05:00
Anyway, thanks for the ongoing analysis Will. It is very helpful. I just looked at the version of the bill that passed in the Senate in Sept and the one that was presented to the House on Nov 4. It seems there are some differences, especially in the last subsection (e) that listed specific exemptions - in the Senate version. Can you comment on that?

Also, it appears that they did not comply with any of the ACLU suggestions (some of which I believe had also been suggested by HSUS.) Am I correct in that assessment? Or were changes made since Nov 4?

If you also wouldn't mind commenting on how, if at all, this will actually affect those of us that peacefully leaflet/demonstrate, etc. Do you think local law enforcement will in any way approach us differently due to this legislation? Will jurisdictions now deny permits for events that are AR related, etc. What can we expect to change? (Not that it's going to stop me either way! In fact, I am leafletting tomorrow...)

Thanks!]]> 2006-11-14T01:37:09Z trashshack@bigstring.com freethehens 4.249.27.56 wp_id=1232;date=2006-11-13 20:44:08-05:00 2006-11-14T01:44:08Z raybutlerhome@bellsouth.net Sheila 70.157.108.11 wp_id=1233;date=2006-11-13 20:50:57-05:00 2006-11-14T01:50:57Z jrothman05@yahoo.com Julie 70.169.13.80 wp_id=1234;date=2006-11-13 20:51:22-05:00 2006-11-14T01:51:22Z earthjustice@yahoo.com Defender 65.112.121.29 wp_id=1237;date=2006-11-13 21:10:33-05:00 2006-11-14T02:10:33Z stephanie.zill@rsmi.com stephanie 66.98.99.154 wp_id=1244;date=2006-11-13 21:47:03-05:00
2. I would really like to see everyone write a note of thanks to the sole person in the entire Congress who stood up (totally alone) & spoke against this Bill. Dennis Kucinich is a very brave man in my book. Kucinich for President 2008!!!

3. Antoine: Love the Kennedy quote from ALF. We need to act on those very words.

4. Deb: I, too, will contact my reps in Senate & House to MAKE them tell WHY they voted FOR this Bill.

5. Let the fight begin!!!!]]> 2006-11-14T02:47:03Z eghd39@comcast.net Linda Hauser 68.34.36.215 wp_id=1247;date=2006-11-13 21:58:58-05:00
THEY ARE ALL SO TRULY INNOCENT.... WAKE UP CALL: EVEN CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE IS AGAINST THE LAW....

I SELL FUR COATS FOR A LIVING... 3RD GENERATION AND I'M VERY PROUD OF IT... NOW THERE ARE LAWS THAT WILL PROTECT US FROM THESE EXTREMISTS WHO FEEL THAT THEIR AGENDA IS THE ONE AND ONLY THAT THE WORLD SHOULD LIVE BY...

CONGRATS ON THE CONGRESS TO STANDING UP FOR THEIR CITIZEN'S RIGHTS.]]> 2006-11-14T02:58:58Z putter3370@aol.com STEVE C 69.122.97.117 wp_id=1248;date=2006-11-13 22:00:25-05:00 2006-11-14T03:00:25Z upwithaeta@gmail.com carlito 70.179.97.39 wp_id=1249;date=2006-11-13 22:15:07-05:00 National Lawyers Guild defended victims of the Red Scare who were abandoned by the ACLU. Once again, during the Green Scare, the National Lawyers Guild has shown itself the true defender of civil liberties, while the ACLU defends repressive government actions.]]> 2006-11-14T03:15:07Z peacemeow@comcast.net Marc Bedner 69.254.134.3 wp_id=1250;date=2006-11-13 22:34:03-05:00 2006-11-14T03:34:03Z phil@anonymous.disqus.net phil 69.66.173.145 wp_id=1252;date=2006-11-13 22:42:23-05:00
I intend to stand up for what I believe is wrong, voice my opinion, and hope to offer some animals relief from the horrors they endure. I don't think that, with the provisions made for "peaceful", "non-violent", and "non-threatening" activity, I should back down.

I'm surprised the ACLU opposed the legislation in March '06 -- but, just six months later, said no objections - just a few clarifications. So much for real liberties, eh?

My motto: Stand up, speak up, and make a difference in animal's lives. Together, we can do this. :D]]> 2006-11-14T03:42:23Z bigfanx@sbcglobal.net bigfanx... 70.135.18.173 wp_id=1253;date=2006-11-13 22:50:58-05:00 2006-11-14T03:50:58Z www.whas@goes.com JOYCE PYLE 209.102.237.55 wp_id=1254;date=2006-11-13 23:15:15-05:00 2006-11-14T04:15:15Z stellamm_2001@yahoo.com stella 74.65.195.2 wp_id=1255;date=2006-11-13 23:36:46-05:00 2006-11-14T04:36:46Z folkuke@aol.com Amy Nelson 172.145.169.67 wp_id=1256;date=2006-11-13 23:37:06-05:00
In order to rally people, governments need enemies. They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally behind them. And if they do not have a real enemy, they will invent one in order to mobilize us............ Thich Nhat Hanh


Thanks for all your hard work.

It is not surprising that big business is placed yet again over sentient being's rights, however the struggle for justice and the end of exploitation will continue.]]> 2006-11-14T04:37:06Z taliesson@hotmail.com Trisha R 60.226.154.248 wp_id=1257;date=2006-11-13 23:58:32-05:00
All afternoon while I called, staffers said that the lines were busy with constituents calling. But I'm sure they figured that most "animal people" weren't contributors to their campaigns and blew off our concerns.]]> 2006-11-14T04:58:32Z artemdi@yahoo.com All For Animals 68.100.157.173 wp_id=1259;date=2006-11-14 01:16:43-05:00
Will, thanks so much for the inspired reporting. It means a lot. These are the same people who let Bush start the war. And the ACLU? It seems to spend all its time these days fighting for illegal immigration. And like most people, they don't care about the animals (the largest, voiceless minority on the face of the earth). I hope that the courts can somehow overturn some of this stuff. Would love to hear some legal opinions. Our country is in such chaos now, my representative also didn't know about the bill.

Let's put our heads (and fists) together and re-double our efforts.

(Please don't forget, being vegetarian is one simple and important way to help.)]]> 2006-11-14T06:16:43Z keither22@hotmail.com Keith 66.108.168.163 wp_id=1260;date=2006-11-14 01:28:00-05:00 2006-11-14T06:28:00Z eric@ananimalfriendlylife.com Eric 69.231.126.143 wp_id=1262;date=2006-11-14 03:32:43-05:00 So sorry!!!]]> 2006-11-14T08:32:43Z helenw4@hotmail.com Helen 207.200.116.68 wp_id=1263;date=2006-11-14 04:10:51-05:00
Remember the bill of rights is still available in the US, it's just in 2 ply for corporate and congressional use. I'm looking forward to club X-ray, I hear they have nice cigars there.

A glorious day in Oceania, Productivity up 300% double plus good!

Hayduke
American Hunt Saboteurs Association]]> 2006-11-14T09:10:51Z huntsabber@sbcglobal.net Hayduke 69.149.54.13 wp_id=1266;date=2006-11-14 06:39:21-05:00 2006-11-14T11:39:21Z muriels123@care2.com MURIEL SMITH 81.137.92.37 wp_id=1268;date=2006-11-14 07:35:19-05:00 2006-11-14T12:35:19Z meg.matthews@gmail.com Meg 80.189.83.120 wp_id=1270;date=2006-11-14 08:18:04-05:00 2006-11-14T13:18:04Z billplanet9@hotmail.com Bill Baillie 68.226.93.175 wp_id=1272;date=2006-11-14 08:35:58-05:00 advocates informed..this draconian measure will not stop me from fighting for the animals.

can this legislation be challenged at the Supreme Court level?]]> 2006-11-14T13:35:58Z denni50@yahoo.com Denise 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1274;date=2006-11-14 09:58:17-05:00 2006-11-14T14:58:17Z dkur@earthlink.net Diana 69.86.33.220 wp_id=1275;date=2006-11-14 10:37:33-05:00 2006-11-14T15:37:33Z bschmithorst@cinci.rr.com Barbara Schmithorst 71.64.205.12 wp_id=1277;date=2006-11-14 10:44:50-05:00
“For most of us to try to navigate the pathways of uncensored cruelty is truly to travel into the heart of darkness-and our own hearts rebel. Who are we if we don’t send our outrage across continents and oceans and demand answers? We’re all accountable in this life for what we do. The men committing these atrocities may have managed to live lives with no conscience, but too many others know that a life with no conscience is a worthless one. The sad truth about this world is that there seems to be no limit to the cruelty that some people are capable of. It’s up to the rest of us to pledge never to be silent and never to look the other way.” Patti Reagan ----

"Animals are every day perishing under the hands of barbarity, without notice,
without mercy, famished as if hunger was no evil, mauled as if they had no sense of pain,
and hurried about incessantly from day to day, as if excessive toil was no plague,
or extreme weariness was no degree of suffering...the obligation to be kind and merciful to animals remains the same whether they souls or not (they do of course but we try to deny it).
Their status as respects a future life does not annihilate suffering & pain.
PAIN IS PAIN; it makes no difference whether in an animal or a man." E .D. Buckner, MD]]> 2006-11-14T15:44:50Z sheilamahon22@yahoo.com Sheila Mahon 167.219.88.140 wp_id=1278;date=2006-11-14 10:46:07-05:00 2006-11-14T15:46:07Z nybirdclub@yahoo.com Anna Dove 68.173.5.222 wp_id=1280;date=2006-11-14 11:42:49-05:00 2006-11-14T16:42:49Z cuunorris@aol.com Craig 24.186.142.184 wp_id=1286;date=2006-11-14 12:58:00-05:00
NO HAS BEEN HURT PHYSICALLLY YET BUT WHEN A FIRE MAN DIES TRYING TO PUT OUT AN ARSON THAT ONE OF YOUR BRETHEREN HAS STARTED..... WHO WILL YOU APOLOGIZE TO..... HIS WIFE AND KIDS.... OR WHEN YOU FINALLY DO KILL A RESEARCHER IN THE NAME OF ANIMALS..... THEN WHAT WILL YOU SAY...GEE... I'M SORRT!!! THAT IS OF COURSE YOU ARE JERRY VLASEK....]]> 2006-11-14T17:58:00Z putter3370@aol.com STEVE C 151.205.116.235 wp_id=1287;date=2006-11-14 13:02:52-05:00 not let the government bully me into staying quiet. Like many who have commented, we have to remain strong and never let our voice for the animals be silenced.]]> 2006-11-14T18:02:52Z meliroq@gmail.com Melissa 67.181.143.66 wp_id=1288;date=2006-11-14 13:17:19-05:00
"I am a current ACLU member. I joined because I was deeply concerned by the recent erosion of Civil Liberties. I have been told you refused to oppose the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, which unfortunately passed teh Houses yesterday under what can only be considered a cloak of darkness. If that is true, I would like to revoke my membership immediately. Please confirm receipt of this message and remove my name and other information from your database."]]> 2006-11-14T18:17:19Z eckel@yahoo.com Kathleen 70.130.156.109 wp_id=1289;date=2006-11-14 13:20:45-05:00 2006-11-14T18:20:45Z vegafallingstar_98@yahoo.com Heidi Vega Cavanaugh 71.243.31.217 wp_id=1291;date=2006-11-14 14:06:56-05:00
Your diatribes make no sense here. Don't be so quick to classify an entire group of people under the banner of a few fringe ideologies.]]> 2006-11-14T19:06:56Z zacksunderman@hotmail.com Zack V 24.166.97.23 wp_id=1292;date=2006-11-14 14:44:39-05:00
I'm not a lawer, but I was under the impression that arson, property damage and murder were already against the law.

If I tresspass onto the property of a PUPPY MILL, take photographs of PUPPIES BEING TORTURED OR KILLED BY NEGLECT and publish them, intending to put the PUPPY MILL out of business, I AM A TERRORIST?

This should be called the PUPPY MILL PROTECTION LAW!

Shame on you!]]> 2006-11-14T19:44:39Z kent402@rockisland.com kilthistle 64.119.14.83 wp_id=1293;date=2006-11-14 14:59:38-05:00
the problem is that politicians believe that, while the "extremists" may still be upset come election time, the "rest of us" will forget over time and just keep the status quo. they need to know that their choices are noted by ALL of the compassionate, animal loving community and that this one could cost them their job. there are too many of us who care for it not to make a difference. remember that for every one of us who took action, writing, calling, faxing and e-mailing, there are 10 who care but who may have found out late or who may not have wanted to get involved that way but who will not re-vote for the same representative.

and by the way, BRAVO, steve c. that was a beautiful sentiment...because it's SAVING LIVES you worry about now, is it? and who's to say what life is more valuable - a human's or a monkey's? we value our ability to reason so much and yet we forget that we very rarely use it - raping the earth (not to mention each other), killing and torturing other species and destroying our own communities. don't presume to preach about SAVING LIVES when you're in the business of taking and torturing them, steve. and don't think that because the ACLU incomprehensibly failed to support this bill, you'll be seeing us on the back of the bus any time soon.]]> 2006-11-14T19:59:38Z kateyocean@hotmail.com kathryn 76.171.19.49 wp_id=1294;date=2006-11-14 15:00:41-05:00
the problem is that politicians believe that, while the "extremists" may still be upset come election time, the "rest of us" will forget over time and just keep the status quo. they need to know that their choices are noted by ALL of the compassionate, animal loving community and that this one could cost them their job. there are too many of us who care for it not to make a difference. remember that for every one of us who took action, writing, calling, faxing and e-mailing, there are 10 who care but who may have found out late or who may not have wanted to get involved that way but who will not re-vote for the same representative.

and by the way, BRAVO, steve c. that was a beautiful sentiment...because it's SAVING LIVES you worry about now, is it? and who's to say what life is more valuable - a human's or a monkey's? we value our ability to reason so much and yet we forget that we very rarely use it - raping the earth (not to mention each other), killing and torturing other species and destroying our own communities. don't presume to preach about SAVING LIVES when you're in the business of taking and torturing them, steve. and don't think that because the ACLU incomprehensibly failed to support this bill, you'll be seeing us on the back of the bus any time soon.]]> 2006-11-14T20:00:41Z kateyocean@hotmail.com kathryn 76.171.19.49 wp_id=1295;date=2006-11-14 15:40:33-05:00
We will not be stopped, in fact we will grow stronger and more cohesive and become a political force to be reckoned with.

Mr. Potter perhaps you can guide us what needs to be done next.I'm ready for the "Politicalization of the Animal Movement".
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In regards to the ACLU not voicing opposition I find the actions of the HSUS suspect as well. I stopped giving to them after Katrina when I was enlightened about their true motives and objectives.

Note the two email alerts on Nov. 13 and their times:
the first alert at 3:04 pm...NOTHING about AETA, the alert is about Horses,Dogs and Seals.

From : Humane Society of the United States
Reply-To : notice-reply-g57gbk4f536jj5@ga-mail.community.hsus.org
Sent : Monday, November 13, 2006 3:04 PM
To : "xxxxxxx"
Subject : Horses, dogs, and seals at the tipping point

long after the Hearing was conducted and the measure passed look at the time of the next alert purporting my need to act quickly and urge REJECTION of the measure(which they knew already passed).

From : Humane Society of the United States
Reply-To : notice-reply-g57gbkfq5kieke@ga-mail.community.hsus.org
Sent : Monday, November 13, 2006 8:17 PM
To : "xxxxxxxxxx"
Subject : URGENT ALERT: Your rights to protect animals in jeopardy

********************************
The Humane Society of the United States
URGENT ALERT: URGE CONGRESS TO REJECT ANIMAL ENTERPRISE
TERRORISM ACT
http://www.hsus.org/legislatio.../
animals_in_research/animal_enterprise_terrorism.html]]> 2006-11-14T20:40:33Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1299;date=2006-11-14 16:20:58-05:00
In musing about the implications of the "economic loss" aspect, I was wondering what's next. . . for every non-animal product I consume, will they legislate that I buy an animal product to offset it? Because, by choosing to be vegan, I am technically causing an economic loss to every animal-product-pimping company on the planet.

Steve C. . . way to take things out of context buddy! Next time you say something rhetorical like "I'm so mad I could kill someone," I hope you're arrested for threatening murder, just so you know how it feels to be on our side. Seriously, I hope you look deep into your soul and ask yourself why it is that you think the violence you do to animals is justifiable. I prefer to live in peace with an unburdened conscience.]]> 2006-11-14T21:20:58Z bansidhe7@hotmail.com vegan chick 129.7.254.33 wp_id=1300;date=2006-11-14 16:29:48-05:00 2006-11-14T21:29:48Z geodroney@hotmail.com George A 68.54.233.57 wp_id=1303;date=2006-11-14 17:22:58-05:00
PLEASE GROW UP AND JOIN THE REAL WORLD.....]]> 2006-11-14T22:22:58Z putter3370@aol.com STEVE C 151.205.116.235 wp_id=1304;date=2006-11-14 17:52:50-05:00 2006-11-14T22:52:50Z jboutin@earthlink.net juanita boutin 4.230.108.183 wp_id=1305;date=2006-11-14 18:03:06-05:00 Everyone can become subject to reform, even in the favor of the the aformentioned. If you feel one organization is more effective than the other go with them, I am.- And Mr. C., don't worry about us, I assure you these tyrants will come after your civil rights next! just like they are coming after ours [did you think they would stop with us-well-reality check!]and one day there will be legal rights for animals to protect them from GREEDY soul-selling monsters like you. See you in the nation where money can even tread over YOUR existence, if not, see you on the side of True anti-terrorism with us. Peace, as always.]]> 2006-11-14T23:03:06Z ngarcia@justonebreak.com Nia 141.155.35.122 wp_id=1306;date=2006-11-14 18:06:40-05:00 which you can view here. Best, Will]]> 2006-11-14T23:06:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=1307;date=2006-11-14 18:51:44-05:00
Illegal selling of animals- PROTECTED
Illegal animal products- PROTECTED
Illegal animal research- PROTECTED
Illegal animal testing- PROTECTED
Illegal zoo, aquarium, animal shelter, pet store, breeder, furrier, circus, rodeo- all PROTECTED by this law!!

If you cause "Economic Damage" to any of these scum bags, you are the TERRORIST.]]> 2006-11-14T23:51:44Z kent402@rockisland.com kilthistle 64.119.14.83 wp_id=1310;date=2006-11-14 19:55:01-05:00
Does anyone know of how to organize to bring this law to court and actually get it exposed as the unconstitional piece of shit legislation that is is?]]> 2006-11-15T00:55:01Z rae@anonymous.disqus.net Rae 208.102.119.104 wp_id=1312;date=2006-11-14 20:17:11-05:00 2006-11-15T01:17:11Z rckygmnd@aol.com Mary 205.188.116.198 wp_id=1313;date=2006-11-14 20:21:09-05:00
The person I spoke with was dismissive and made it clear that "you can't win 'em all". She ended the conversation with "my other line is ringing".

I think it's important to let them know that animal advocates, vegetarians and vegans are looking to the ACLU to protect this important civil liberty. And this isn't just protection for a fringe single-issue group. If the government can criminalize animal advocacy protest, they can criminalize any form of protest.

Their tone deafness on this issue is disturbing, and they need to hear from us.

ACLU's National Office:

212-549-2500]]> 2006-11-15T01:21:09Z steve@saturn5.com Steve Simitzis 64.81.243.90 wp_id=1319;date=2006-11-14 21:25:43-05:00 2006-11-15T02:25:43Z info@njerisims.net Njeri 24.221.172.89 wp_id=1320;date=2006-11-14 21:39:00-05:00 integrity are held up to the scrutiny of the public.

The backing and support of the USHS was key in the struggle to overturn that vote and we did with almost 70% of the state voting against the shooting of Doves.

The despair we felt when they passed the bill initially, motivated an army of volunteers to rise up and do the righteous thing. I believe that we will see the same thing happen here. The rights taken away by this bill, will incite even those who are only concerned with the freedoms guaranteed by the constitution,will also demand rescinding this bill.

Lets get out there and shine a light on this sleazy act and this thing can definitely be turned around.

The tide is turning and the greed of those who would put profit before the environment, animal suffering, and morality are in the minority, and they know it.

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
--Mahatma Gandhi]]> 2006-11-15T02:39:00Z ninecatsandadog@gmail.com Diane 76.212.62.47 wp_id=1330;date=2006-11-15 05:08:50-05:00 http://www.upi.com/HealthBusin...]]> 2006-11-15T10:08:50Z eric@ananimalfriendlylife.com Eric 69.231.126.143 wp_id=1333;date=2006-11-15 08:30:42-05:00 API Newsletter(permission to crosspost).
It states only a handful of members were present
during the voice vote and there is some inconsistency
between the Senate and House version that will be
reconciled in a committee then subject to a new vote.
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UPDATE — Congress Passes HR 4239, the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act
As anticipated, H.R. 4239, the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (AETA), was brought to the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives in a fast-track maneuver late yesterday, on the Representatives’ first day back after the month-long break.

The House passed AETA by a voice vote under suspension of the rules, a procedure usually reserved for non-controversial legislation. When the bill came up for consideration, only a handful of House members were even back in town, and very few were on the floor of the House when the brief discussion ensued. This bill was rushed through without a serious look at its flaws, by Judiciary Committee Chair Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI).

Next Steps

Because the language of AETA passed by the House varies from the language approved by the Senate in the companion bill, S. 3880, a conference committee will reconcile the differences between the bills. Once the differences are resolved and a conference report is generated, both the House and Senate will need to approve the legislation again.

To keep updated on AETA and for more detailed information, visit www.stopaeta.org and www.noaeta.org.

Background

AETA seeks to clamp down on animal activist activities by using a broad brush to paint activists as “terrorists” simply because they oppose institutionalized animal cruelty. Sponsored by Representative Thomas Petri (R-WI), HR 4239 would make it a crime punishable by imprisonment to cause any business classified as an “animal enterprise” to suffer a loss of profit — even if the company’s financial decline is the result of legal activities, such as peaceful protests, consumer boycotts, or media campaigns. The term “animal enterprise”; includes manufacturers, distributors, and sellers of animals or animal products including research facilities, pet stores, breeders, zoos, rodeos, circuses, furriers, animal shelters, and the like.

API strongly opposes acts of violence, including vandalism and property damage. However, this bill threatens to criminalize as “terrorism” otherwise lawful, constitutionally protected and valuable acts often utilized by citizens and organizations seeking change. For example, lawful and peaceful protests against the circus or companies that test on animals could be considered a violation of this act if the activity resulted in economic damage to the company.

To find out how your U.S. Representative voted on AETA, please contact his/her office. If your Representative voted against AETA, please thank him or her. On the other hand, if your Representative voted for AETA, politely express your concerns (see talking points below). You can reach your Representative through U.S. Capitol Switchboard: 202-224-3121. To identify your Congressperson, go to www.house.gov or www.senate.gov, or simply enter your zip code at www.vote-smart.org.

Talking Points

AETA does not genuinely fight terrorism. AETA may divert valuable taxpayer money and resources away from real terrorism.
AETA is vague and overly broad. AETA isn’t just about illegal actions like breaking windows or rescuing animals from fur farms. It includes penalties for “non-violent physical obstruction” and actions that do not harm people or property. It could label civil disobedience, whistle-blowing, undercover investigations, and aggressive — yet nonviolent — campaigns as “terrorism” if they hurt corporate profits.
AETA limits free speech. Labeling nonviolent actions as “terrorism” and prosecuting them as federal crimes will have a chilling effect on free speech. You shouldn’t have to be afraid of being labeled a “terrorist” for speaking up for animals.
Corporate profits aren’t a national security priority. There are better ways to spend scarce anti-terrorism resources than protecting corporate interests and targeting animal activists as “terrorists.”
Posted 11/04/06 - Okay to Forward/Crosspost]]> 2006-11-15T13:30:42Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1334;date=2006-11-15 08:32:58-05:00 http://www.ussportsmen.org/int...
.cfm?ID=1886

I am somewhat distressed by the criticism leveled here against the USUS. They were the major contributor to the Dove campaign in Mi. They were very effective in rescuing thousands of animals after Katrina also.

We need to embrace are allies. This group is effective and powerful, and much feared and hated by those who use animals in the most cruel ways. It was their alert that I responded to on Monday. Remember this caught everyone by surprise except for the sneaky slime who pushed it through as quickly as possible.

Someone here posted that 90% of their revenue goes to salaries. This is patently untrue. Please check this link or go directly to their web site. http://www.hsus.org/web-files/...]]> 2006-11-15T13:32:58Z ninecatsandadog@gmail.com Diane 76.212.62.47 wp_id=1337;date=2006-11-15 12:29:18-05:00 2006-11-15T17:29:18Z sepata@aim.com jade 163.41.136.51 wp_id=1339;date=2006-11-15 13:50:09-05:00 jump on "animal terrorist" bandwagon.

http://www.indybay.org/newsite...]]> 2006-11-15T18:50:09Z denni50@yahoo.com Denise 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1354;date=2006-11-15 22:57:40-05:00 I agree that every one should be sending their $ to SHAC for their legal defense and the ACLU can to go..........]]> 2006-11-16T03:57:40Z doxie3@whale-mail.com Charly 69.4.198.107 wp_id=1356;date=2006-11-16 00:35:28-05:00
You who have children must know how hard it would be for a sow (female pig, for all you ignorant bastards out there) who has to give up her young so they can be injected with hormones and slaughtered.

And how can one compare the accidental death of a fireman, to the ongoing voluntary, intentional cruelty brought against billions of animals around the world.

Yes, I value animal life as much as human life. Actually, come to think of it, I may value animal life more, seeing as the majority of people are selfish imbeciles that have been given enough power to pick on those who are weaker.

I often get asked " do you not believe that humans are superior to animals?"
I always answer "yes, humans are superior in intelligence and strength, but does that give us the right to abuse of it? Would we not be even more superior beings if we had such intelligence to do good and help others with our minds rather than find ways to put others down?"

Like everyone said before me... the one thing stronger than evil, is love. We, good men, will not stand around and do nothing, and evil will not prevail.

It was a battle to abolish slavery, a battle to get women the right to vote... animals will get their turn... we just need to be there to say what only they can feel...

All my love and encouragements to those of you who are so selfless to continue with your work. This only makes us stronger... because the AETA shows that we are RECOGNISED.

for those who need us,

soe]]> 2006-11-16T05:35:28Z soe_funkydoo@hotmail.com Soe 203.27.27.26 wp_id=1357;date=2006-11-16 01:01:33-05:00 2006-11-16T06:01:33Z kevin.hitchon@phillipsfox.com kevin hitchon 203.94.136.107 wp_id=1366;date=2006-11-16 08:01:51-05:00 http://www.bordc.org/newslette....
It's a sad day for this country and civilization in general when anyone can do whatever the **** they want to a sentient creature: 1) as long as it's not human and 2) they do it for money. Always remember, the proponents of this "legislation" are the sick ones, not us!]]> 2006-11-16T13:01:51Z cheshirekat375@juno.com Sheila 64.136.26.225 wp_id=1374;date=2006-11-16 14:52:16-05:00 2006-11-16T19:52:16Z hellokitty@hotmail.com Harmony 130.63.176.185 wp_id=1376;date=2006-11-16 16:22:01-05:00 help explain.

a stark scathing commentary courtesy of The Conservative Voice:

http://www.theconservativevoic...

here's an excerpt:

This election went Blue because we determined that there wasn't a Republican in office we could support, because they had all so rabidly supported the ignoble intentions of an administration ruled by corporate greed, and not by what is right and good and proper for human beings. And we noticed that now was the time to make some kind of start in the opposite direction, before it was too late, with a new group of politicians who will hopefully support the constitution of the United States, and not the agenda of insatiable corporate greed. And we will notice when these politicians become corrupt as well, because they will. But here is what all in power should notice:

We are sick of being lied to. We are sick of being kept in the dark as though we should have no say in our destiny as a nation. We are sick of being patted on the head by the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Reillys, and Coulters of the rabid right, whose obvious function it has been, these last six years, to deflect debate away from what is right for humanity in favor of what lines the pockets of the powers-that-be. We are SICK of it.

This missive could go on for page after page, because I, and my fellow shmoes, notice a lot. I've barely scratched the surface of the surface of the damage the current administration has done to America, there are so many layers of ugliness there. If you're a little shmoe like we are, you don't have to ponder long to notice what's wrong. And the more we little shmoes notice, the angrier we become at the direction our beloved country is heading.]]> 2006-11-16T21:22:01Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1377;date=2006-11-16 17:17:47-05:00 2006-11-16T22:17:47Z siuc2000@hotmail.com Lori 165.134.221.1 wp_id=1378;date=2006-11-16 17:36:10-05:00 2006-11-16T22:36:10Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=1379;date=2006-11-16 17:53:09-05:00 here. And as I'm sure you know, death threats and vandalism are already crimes, and should be prosecuted: they are not, however, terrorism. Best, Will]]> 2006-11-16T22:53:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.91 wp_id=1383;date=2006-11-16 23:13:52-05:00 2006-11-17T04:13:52Z karen_gonzales@hotmail.com Karen M Gonzales 24.205.207.201 wp_id=1384;date=2006-11-16 23:33:55-05:00
Mailing address:

American Civil Liberties Union
125 Broad Street
18th Floor
New York, NY 10004

Online Feedback form:

http://www.aclu.org/contact/ge...

Contact information for members/membership help. (Cancel your membership or tell them that you won't join/support the ACLU as long as they discriminate against animal rights advocates.)

E-mail: membership [at] aclu.org

Phone: (212) 549-2585

Contact information for local affiliate offices:

State-by-state list here: http://www.aclu.org/affiliates/]]> 2006-11-17T04:33:55Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 65.30.45.168 wp_id=1395;date=2006-11-17 11:01:42-05:00 2006-11-17T16:01:42Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 134.179.104.132 wp_id=1397;date=2006-11-17 14:08:44-05:00 That's pretty much the whole POINT of a protest, isn't it? To turn customers/spectators/attendees away? It's not like we're protesting to invite customers IN. :(

This is all so disheartening.

Any news on a demo in DC, anyone?]]> 2006-11-17T19:08:44Z kelli-m@hotmail.com ~kelli 12.75.20.116 wp_id=1398;date=2006-11-17 14:10:35-05:00
Will: Thank you VERY much for what you're doing. You and this site are a GREAT source of information. Very helpful! Keep up the great work.]]> 2006-11-17T19:10:35Z kelli-m@hotmail.com ~kelli 12.75.20.116 wp_id=1400;date=2006-11-17 15:03:17-05:00 2006-11-17T20:03:17Z tinknal@hotmail.com Al 65.73.45.134 wp_id=1401;date=2006-11-17 15:07:16-05:00
Soe, Tell me exactly what hormones young pigs are injected with. You can't, because they aren't.]]> 2006-11-17T20:07:16Z tinknal@hotmail.com Al 65.73.45.134 wp_id=1404;date=2006-11-17 15:40:15-05:00
"I want to make clear that ACLU did not and does not support the AETA. We believe that expanding 18 U.S.C. §43 was unnecessary. The ACLU opposed the original House of Representatives and Senate versions of the AETA because both included provisions that were vague, overbroad and unnecessary, and would have criminalized certain forms of expression that are clearly protected under the First Amendment. Additionally, the bills provided that the AETA would constitute a predicate crime that would allow federal criminal wiretapping. A copy of the letter that we sent to Congress in March urging opposition to the bill is attached.

In the months that followed, the ACLU Washington Legislative Office worked to gain several important improvements to the bill, which was recently reintroduced as S. 3880.

The wiretapping provision was removed entirely from the Senate version. Under the Senate bill, the “economic damage” that could trigger liability “does not include any lawful economic disruption (including a lawful boycott) that results from lawful public, governmental, or business reaction to the disclosure of information about an animal enterprise.” The original bill did not address lawful boycotts, which are clearly protected First Amendment activity.

Another revision was aimed at protecting advocacy. The Senate bill makes clear that only damage to “real or personal” property is the kind of economic damage that triggers liability. The original bill used the term “any property,” leaving open the possibility of even claiming damage to intellectual property (trademark dilution and tarnishment, for example).

Though ACLU secured enough significant improvements in the Senate version of the legislation to drop its opposition, we continued to advocate further clarifications and we sent a letter to key members of the House of Representatives seeking additional changes. A copy of that letter is also attached.

While we were disappointed that the final version of the bill passed by the House did not incorporate the changes we urged in our letter of October 30, we certainly did achieve significant improvements in the language compared to the language of the bill in its original form. The ACLU will monitor the bill’s application to determine any future course of action."]]> 2006-11-17T20:40:15Z alchemysta3@msn.com nimbus 71.37.228.39 wp_id=1408;date=2006-11-17 17:18:27-05:00
Will, thank you for what you are doing... exercising the freedom of the press. You are a welcome source of credible and comprehensive information on these issues. Its such a shame that America is sleeping through the erosion of their 1st Amendment rights. I can't wait to see who gets defined as a domestic terrorist group and is singled out for the content of their speech next. Whoever else is interfering with big business profits I guess.

Anyone that hears of a demo in DC or anywhere, please post here. If we really care as much as we say we do, then I'm sure attendance would be high.]]> 2006-11-17T22:18:27Z siuc2000@hotmail.com Lori 165.134.221.1 wp_id=1410;date=2006-11-17 18:55:03-05:00 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...

By JOHN COCHRAN

Nov. 14, 2006 — As Congress returned for its lame-duck session this week, it found one piece of legislation that had overwhelming support. The Senate had already passed it unanimously. And it had 324 co-sponsors in the House, 155 Republicans and 169 Democrats. That was almost 75 percent of the House already on record in support of it. But the bill stood virtually no chance of becoming law.

The reason? One powerful committee chairman blocked it.

It is the Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act. It would increase penalties for interstate shipment of animals — cocks and dogs — so they can be pitted against each other in fights. Most states have already prohibited animal fighting. The new bill would make it a federal felony punishable by up to two years in prison.

The Judiciary Committee Chairman, James Sensenbrenner, has refused to move the bill to the House floor for a vote. In a written statement he said, "Animal fighting is an abhorrent practice but is best handled by those already working to combat its practice — state and local officials."

Go to the above link for the whole disgusting story. These idiots think they are God's who can do anything no matter the will of the people.]]> 2006-11-17T23:55:03Z ninecatsandadog@gmail.com Diane 75.5.224.187 wp_id=1434;date=2006-11-18 10:15:08-05:00 Pelosi and your new Congressional Leaders for those
here who have ousted Republican incumbents.

don't know if anyone took note of an API Report
I posted earlier stating due to inconsistencies
between both bills a conference committee will
reconcile the differences then both houses will
vote again.

Does the ACLU know this?

From API Newsletter:

Next Steps

Because the language of AETA passed by the House varies from the language approved by the Senate in the companion bill, S. 3880, a conference committee will reconcile the differences between the bills. Once the differences are resolved and a conference report is generated, both the House and Senate will need to approve the legislation again.

To keep updated on AETA and for more detailed information, visit www.stopaeta.org and www.noaeta.org.]]> 2006-11-18T15:15:08Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 72.64.56.232 wp_id=1435;date=2006-11-18 12:55:04-05:00 2006-11-18T17:55:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.91 wp_id=1437;date=2006-11-18 14:53:44-05:00 be a guest on the Larry King Show for the entire
hour on Monday night.

I'm going to try and contact him and tell him about
the AETA Legislation(if he doesn't already know about it however I do know he's politically active) with the link to Will's blog here.

Perhaps if alot of us email Larry King to request that
he address this matter with Alec Baldwin(given his
animal activism)he may give it some airtime.]]> 2006-11-18T19:53:44Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 72.64.56.232 wp_id=1440;date=2006-11-18 15:44:21-05:00
I just don't see where people think it will affect lawful protest, boycott, or whistleblowing when it comes to animals rights activism.

I have been trying to get people to quote text and then tell me how that wuold affect, say, someone passing information on Care2 or signing a petition etc...

This is the best result I have got:

-----"if the offense does not instill in another the reasonable
-----fear of serious bodily injury or death and--
-----(A) the offense results in no economic damage or bodily injury"

People were taking this isolated quote as meaning that you could still be improsoned for less than a year without having threatened or done a person bodily harm.

But,

If you read the whole section it is clear where their misinterpretation stemmed:

-----"(b) PENALTIES.--The punishment for a violation of section (a)
-----or an attempt or conspiracy to violate subsection (a) shall be:

-----(1) a fine under this title or imprisonment not more than 1 --------year,
-----or both, if the offense does not instill in another the ------------reasonable
-----fear of serious bodily injury or death and--
-----(A) the offense results in no economic damage or bodily ------------injury; or
-----(B ) the offense results in economic damage that does not ----------exceed $10,000;

It clearly states that this is the penalty section for violation of section and subsection (a). And they meant that if you violate subsection (a) you could not be imprisoned for more than a year UNLESS you threatened or performed bodily harm.

This is what I was trying to get people to do themselves. I also witnessed people quoting older versions of the bill when they were trying to make their case.

S.3880 was passed not H.R.4239.

But I am still interested in seeing the sections that are going to impede lawful protest, boycott, whistleblowing etc...]]> 2006-11-18T20:44:21Z abc@hotmail.com Dick 72.234.118.109 wp_id=1486;date=2006-11-20 14:59:18-05:00 with Alec Baldwin...tune in.

Will Potter I gave you a good plug along with the link to your blog...hopefully Larry will ask Alec
about AETA.]]> 2006-11-20T19:59:18Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1515;date=2006-11-21 15:22:30-05:00 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10.../
Associated Press 1:52 p.m. CT Nov 20, 2006

BOGOR, Indonesia - President Bush’s unpopularity here in the world’s most populous Muslim nation made intense security jitters and angry protests the hallmarks of a six-hour trip to court Indonesian favor.

At a joint news conference with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Bush shrugged off the demonstrations, saying it was a sign of a healthy democracy.

“I applaud a society where people are free to express their opinion,” Bush said of the protests that accompanied his visit to the world’s most populous Muslim nation.

... “It’s to Indonesia’s credit that it’s a society where people are able to protest and say what they think,” Bush said.



Too bad he won't be singing the same tune when he signs AETA into law here in the U.S. Does anyone else see the hypocrisy in this?]]> 2006-11-21T20:22:30Z siuc2000@hotmail.com Lori 165.134.221.1 wp_id=1516;date=2006-11-21 16:50:13-05:00 passage of AETA.

http://www.house.gov/petri/AET...]]> 2006-11-21T21:50:13Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1527;date=2006-11-22 00:58:57-05:00
My comment is this: Just because those quotes were made in the mid-90's doesn't mean they are not relevant today. Do you think the various people who made those comments have changed their position? Words stick. Words are lasting. Ingrid Newkirk's comments equating monkeys and little children and suggesting that the world would be a better place all together if human beings just stopped living, could have something to do with the foiled attemps of animal rights activists. The minks that were let out of their cages to run rampant through the woods, the labratories that have been blown up, the show dogs that have been let out of their crates to be hit by cars, the professionals that have been bankrupted...all of these things might have contributed to this bill passing. Animal rights activists are not the only ones who love animals. Most animal lovers fear animal rights activists. It seems from those "tired old" quotes that the AR activists want to rip the pets right out of our arms. It seems to me the AR activists would like to see a day when dogs and cats exist only in our memories, certainly not on our rugs, chairs, couches or beds...I believe I may be close to quoting one of those tired old lines.....I believe it was Ms. Newkirk who said, "Let them dissapear from our lives......."

Words like those might be why the AETA bill passed...

....just saying....]]> 2006-11-22T05:58:57Z bliss@dogphoto.com Bliss 68.109.232.174 wp_id=1535;date=2006-11-22 08:26:09-05:00 here regarding the House Response to the flood of
emails and calls in opposition to the legislation
from Rep.Scott and Rep.Petri responding to the criticisms of the legislation and for some reason
it didn't get authorized for posting...hmmmm.]]> 2006-11-22T13:26:09Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1738;date=2006-12-02 14:15:02-05:00 2006-12-02T19:15:02Z carpetpatch@yahoo.com Hodge 24.20.144.58 wp_id=1744;date=2006-12-02 16:30:24-05:00 2006-12-02T21:30:24Z donna@anonymous.disqus.net Donna 68.164.200.221 wp_id=1812;date=2006-12-05 01:59:31-05:00 The only option I see is education, education and education. Words of wisdom and kindness can be just as powerful than any corporation,industry or Government. They can't stop us from teaching compassion!! They can't stop those who seeks justice and a better world. It's insane!!! Now I feel more determined than ever to fight this even more with courage and conviction.]]> 2006-12-05T06:59:31Z regina@anonymous.disqus.net Regina 75.42.175.65 wp_id=3197;date=2007-01-04 10:51:40-05:00 Is there any way to repeal the AETA? My friends and I will do whatever we can to work toward getting it overturned if possible.]]> 2007-01-04T15:51:40Z rdlp18@hotmail.com Robin 67.36.187.208 wp_id=4730;date=2007-01-20 22:25:24-05:00
please e-mail me if you know. not sure I will be able to find this site again, my computer is acting up, so saving it under favorites wont work. I will be able to get your reply on my moms computer at her house.

This whole thing is so sickening. big buissiness pay big money and gets what they want. sick. sick. sick.

maudlinblithe@yahoo.com

thanks,
sammie]]> 2007-01-21T03:25:24Z maudlinblithe@yahoo.com sammie 76.190.39.171 wp_id=32584;date=2007-03-07 16:24:09-05:00 2007-03-07T21:24:09Z safe@aol.com Safe 1243 169.226.84.164 wp_id=44443;date=2007-03-17 05:17:15-04:00 2007-03-17T09:17:15Z eixhvu@mail.com Vasyaljv 140.115.211.15 wp_id=78306;date=2007-07-12 13:04:03-04:00 2007-07-12T17:04:03Z hsw@yahoo.com Visitor307 209.66.114.245 wp_id=130655;date=2007-12-27 12:34:03-05:00
http://www.sosanimalslaunge.co...]]> 2007-12-27T17:34:03Z cup@kikuta2008.com cup beans 84.109.26.133 wp_id=1241;date=2006-11-13 21:36:28-05:00 2006-11-14T02:36:28Z deboradurant@yahoo.com Deb 69.143.163.84 wp_id=1324;date=2006-11-15 01:15:21-05:00 2006-11-15T06:15:21Z kim.berardi@gmail.com Kim 65.102.180.214 wp_id=1325;date=2006-11-15 01:19:48-05:00 2006-11-15T06:19:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.91 wp_id=1326;date=2006-11-15 01:23:23-05:00 2006-11-15T06:23:23Z kim.berardi@gmail.com Kim 65.102.180.214 wp_id=1327;date=2006-11-15 02:10:46-05:00 2006-11-15T07:10:46Z adleugene@yahoo.com LL 67.171.32.179 wp_id=1336;date=2006-11-15 09:26:33-05:00 2006-11-15T14:26:33Z larasand@gmail.com Lara 205.242.74.3 wp_id=1331;date=2006-11-15 07:57:57-05:00 Why isn't mainstream media covering this? Do you think it's because they and their readers believe it just doesn't affect them because they're not "crazy animal rights people?"

I'd love to see an op-ed piece by you in the NY Times!]]> 2006-11-15T12:57:57Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 151.203.76.102 wp_id=1335;date=2006-11-15 08:43:09-05:00 publicly...maybe these folks just don't about it
like the rest of the nation.

Mr.Potter contact Anderson Cooper and Larry King
maybe they'll give you some airtime.]]> 2006-11-15T13:43:09Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1343;date=2006-11-15 15:53:39-05:00 2006-11-15T20:53:39Z raybutlerhome@bellsouth.net Sheila 70.157.238.49 wp_id=1345;date=2006-11-15 16:20:42-05:00 2006-11-15T21:20:42Z reachthepeke@aol.com Stephanie 207.200.116.68 wp_id=1394;date=2006-11-17 09:48:38-05:00 do we sit complacent and defeated and just suck it up?

I'm contacting Rep.Kucinich and thanking him for his opposition to AETA and telling him there is a vast monumental movement in this country looking for a leader. 2/3 of Americans have animals and the majority of them do care about animal welfare issues and wage a tireless uphill battle fighting the goliaths who exploit/use and abuse defenseless beings who have no voice but that of OUR OWN and that equating Americans who fight on their behalf with Arab Terrorists who blow up buildings killing thousands on our soil is nothing more than "political terrorism" brought home against the American people and we are ready to fight back.

I am asking that he consider running in 2008..he will definitely have my support and those I work with in the animal community and their families.

There's a forum on his website if anyone else here cares to join me..maybe we can all come together and convince Rep.Kucinich we need to take this country back.

http://www.kucinich.us/

remember what the internet did for Howard Dean's campaign in 2004.]]> 2006-11-17T14:48:38Z denni50@yahoo.com Denise 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1423;date=2006-11-18 00:44:00-05:00
In any event, the AETA is just a law. Any serious movement for social change has to challenge unjust laws.]]> 2006-11-18T05:44:00Z peacemeow@comcast.net Marc Bedner 69.254.134.3 wp_id=1439;date=2006-11-18 15:41:59-05:00
I just don't see where people think it will affect lawful protest, boycott, or whistleblowing when it comes to animals rights activism.

I have been trying to get people to quote text and then tell me how that wuold affect, say, someone passing information on Care2 or signing a petition etc...

This is the best result I have got:

-----"if the offense does not instill in another the reasonable
-----fear of serious bodily injury or death and--
-----(A) the offense results in no economic damage or bodily injury"

People were taking this isolated quote as meaning that you could still be improsoned for less than a year without having threatened or done a person bodily harm.

But,

If you read the whole section it is clear where their misinterpretation stemmed:

-----"(b) PENALTIES.--The punishment for a violation of section (a)
-----or an attempt or conspiracy to violate subsection (a) shall be:

-----(1) a fine under this title or imprisonment not more than 1 --------year,
-----or both, if the offense does not instill in another the ------------reasonable
-----fear of serious bodily injury or death and--
-----(A) the offense results in no economic damage or bodily ------------injury; or
-----(B ) the offense results in economic damage that does not ----------exceed $10,000;

It clearly states that this is the penalty section for violation of section and subsection (a). And they meant that if you violate subsection (a) you could not be imprisoned for more than a year UNLESS you threatened or performed bodily harm.

This is what I was trying to get people to do themselves. I also witnessed people quoting older versions of the bill when they were trying to make their case.

S.3880 was passed not H.R.4239.

But I am still interested in seeing the sections that are going to impede lawful protest, boycott, whistleblowing etc...]]> 2006-11-18T20:41:59Z abc@hotmail.com Dick 72.234.118.109 wp_id=55397;date=2007-04-01 18:22:35-04:00 Keep up the nice work. I'll be back for more!]]> 2007-04-01T22:22:35Z bradwinters38@yahoo.com BradleyWinters 71.110.11.98 wp_id=1463;date=2006-11-19 12:43:34-05:00
Thanks for the news!]]> 2006-11-19T17:43:34Z drew.vegan@gmail.com Drew 65.96.190.79 wp_id=4847;date=2007-01-21 19:27:17-05:00 2007-01-22T00:27:17Z xxxtaskmasterxxx@aol.com George Gregory 69.232.37.57 wp_id=1528;date=2006-11-22 01:12:52-05:00 2006-11-22T06:12:52Z info@njerisims.net Njeri 24.221.172.89 wp_id=97040;date=2007-09-30 00:13:12-04:00 2007-09-30T04:13:12Z ritarobinett@hotmail.com Rita 24.166.220.189 wp_id=1602;date=2006-11-27 23:33:09-05:00 2006-11-28T04:33:09Z nga_sha_zamet@yahoo.com Mark Hawthorne 75.17.63.199 wp_id=2034;date=2006-12-12 19:57:18-05:00 thanx for your work.
willow]]> 2006-12-13T00:57:18Z blondiewillow77@hotmail.com willow 64.46.70.173 wp_id=2036;date=2006-12-12 20:32:46-05:00 2006-12-13T01:32:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.91 wp_id=35121;date=2007-03-09 07:54:55-05:00 http://www.madisonmonkeys.com/...

628 Pieces of Primate Research Garbage

In an industry where violations of federal law and regulation are the norm, where deceiving the public is high art, and animals are routinely neglected, tortured, and killed, it is nearly impossible for an institution to distinguish itself. But the University of Wisconsin, Madison has proven itself truly exceptional.

This time it has to do with the destruction of hundreds of videotapes....]]> 2007-03-09T12:54:55Z rbogle@primatefreedom.com Rick Bogle 70.226.167.229 wp_id=1648;date=2006-11-29 18:20:07-05:00 2006-11-29T23:20:07Z chennessey@cox.net Smokey Joe 65.116.182.98 wp_id=1633;date=2006-11-29 00:31:06-05:00 2006-11-29T05:31:06Z a_e@anonymous.disqus.net (A) (E) 70.110.24.108 wp_id=1639;date=2006-11-29 09:30:04-05:00 2006-11-29T14:30:04Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 68.160.161.133 wp_id=1641;date=2006-11-29 10:22:55-05:00
question now is where do we go from here and what CAN WE DO as individuals..forget HSUS,ACLU,ABC,DEF and any other acronym out there..they sold us short so stop SUPPORTING THEM with $$$$$.

according to noAeta a repeal process is being developed most likely to be exercised when the 110th Congress convenes in January.

http://noaeta.org/

We need to mobilize and start a new campaign of contacting newly elected Reps and Senators, including House Speaker Elect Nancy Pelosi,with emails,letters,calls..whatever..and keep doing it non-stop until we make it clear equating law-abiding Americans..fighting an uphill struggle for the welfare and humane treatment of animals in this country...with Arab Terrorists blowing up buildings killing fellow Americans is unacceptable, uconstitutional and undemocratic.

Let them know that we will not sit idle while McCarthyism tactics single out a particular social movement because it is gaining momentum and success
to be reclassified as "terrorists" subject to a different set of laws that are not applicable to other criminal acts of the same nature like the acts
of Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph.]]> 2006-11-29T15:22:55Z denni50@yahoo.com Denise 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1644;date=2006-11-29 11:52:25-05:00
In any case, I am grateful that you posted a link to noaeta.org, and I will definitely check that out. Your suggestions with respect to what we can do are good ones.]]> 2006-11-29T16:52:25Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 68.160.161.133 wp_id=1649;date=2006-11-29 18:32:54-05:00 http://trailwind.livejournal.c...

thanks, Will, for all of your work.

jp]]> 2006-11-29T23:32:54Z mmnch@yahoo.com jp 131.247.209.254 wp_id=1651;date=2006-11-29 22:22:35-05:00
- HR 4239 and S 1926 would have made it illegal to "intentionally damage, disrupt, or cause the loss of any property." S 3880 makes it illegal to "intentionally damage or cause the loss of any real or personal property." See the difference? The former language could easily be interpreted to include "economic damage" or "economic disruption" as they are later defined in the bill -- including lost profits and increased costs.

- The penalties were rewritten. "Substantial bodily injury" -- formerly "significant bodily injury" -- results in up to 10 years imprisonment, as opposed to 5. Economic damage in excess of $1,000,000 results in up to 20 years imprisonment, as opposed to 10.

- The term "economic disruption" was merged with "economic damage." Thus the exclusion of "lawful economic disruption" applies to both. Furthermore, "lawful boycotts" are explicitly excluded.

- Finally, the "Rules of Construction" section was added, which basically says that the law is subject to the First Amendment.

Though the final version is still quite obnoxious, I think it is considerably less so than the original. "Real or personal property" still sounds a bit ambiguous, but it's better than the older language. The intention is clear -- you actually have to do some quantifiable damage (or at least "conspire or attempt to do so") to violate the law.

So under the AETA as enacted, peaceful assembly isn't a crime -- merely a source of economic damage, which will result in increased penalties if you are found to be conspiring or attempting to damage real property or threaten people.

So that, I think, is where the ACLU is coming from. You can all make up your own minds.]]> 2006-11-30T03:22:35Z purplescrews@gmail.com A Reader 130.215.224.133 wp_id=1652;date=2006-11-29 22:52:58-05:00
The GOP is trying to throw a cat among pigeons with this in another parting shot before they become the minority.

Don't get so bent out of shape about this.

This is a tactic from the bad guys, not the good guys switching sides!]]> 2006-11-30T03:52:58Z elpasotoyman@yahoo.com JC Rawley 70.117.169.163 wp_id=1660;date=2006-11-30 11:50:22-05:00
Second, you fail to mention how this all goes back to abortion. You talk to anyone in any of these left-legal organization and you quickly realize you're not talking about animal enterprises, you're talking about abortion. I've tried pitching Shac7 amicus briefs to organizations and that's what I hear. The legal-left, including the ACLU, took the position that the Nuremburg Files website (that listed abortion providers' names and addresses and crossed them out when they were kileld) was not protected speech because their views on abortion trumpted their views on the First Amendment. Plain and simple. If the AETA is knocked out, cases like Planned Parenthood fo Columbia/Willamette v. American Coalition of Life Activists are out the door, and the ACLU and most of the legal left won't let that happen.]]> 2006-11-30T16:50:22Z mathewstrugar@hotmail.com Matthew 209.212.80.175 wp_id=1661;date=2006-11-30 14:47:01-05:00
http://www.algore-08.com/

Al Gore: 'We are facing a massive assault on our liberties'
Saturday, 04 November 2006
(The Observer) - Since losing to George Bush in 2000, Al Gore, the former Vice-President, has reinvented himself as America's voice of reasoned opposition, particularly on global warming, the subject of his internationally acclaimed film An Inconvenient Truth. In this interview, he tells Henry Porter of a crisis of democracy in America.

Henry Poter: I wonder if you feel that a constitution like the American one makes people more aware of their rights.

Al Gore: I think it does. Those who wrote the constitution were very steeped in the culture of the printed word and the essays that were written to define the theory of representative democracy. The debates and the Constitutional Convention were all re-capitulated in elaborate written accounts. The debates over each precise word actually did focus public attention then, and continue to influence public attention now, to individual rights.]]> 2006-11-30T19:47:01Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1709;date=2006-12-01 19:38:49-05:00 2006-12-02T00:38:49Z raybutlerhome@bellsouth.net Sheila 70.157.113.93 wp_id=1675;date=2006-12-01 00:04:25-05:00 2006-12-01T05:04:25Z drew.vegan@gmail.com Drew 66.92.76.179 wp_id=1688;date=2006-12-01 08:24:33-05:00
does anyone know how to organize a rally on D.C.
after January 2007.

we need to build on the momentum of what these young
fine students did...we need to help them restore our
nations faith in democracy.]]> 2006-12-01T13:24:33Z denni50@yahoo.com Denise 208.31.251.14 wp_id=1691;date=2006-12-01 10:35:49-05:00 2006-12-01T15:35:49Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 151.203.64.136 wp_id=1693;date=2006-12-01 12:00:28-05:00
Capricorn December 22 - January 19
You will find yourself siding with Islamic extremists this week after an eco-terrorist organization claims responsibility for several car bombings.]]> 2006-12-01T17:00:28Z ymelda@anonymous.disqus.net Ymelda 64.12.116.201 wp_id=1703;date=2006-12-01 17:54:28-05:00
I'm from Russia, where it is little known about civil rights. With AETA your country buys a ticket to Russia, which is so often criticized by your government regarding civil rights issues.

Hope AETA will be canceled or somewhat.]]> 2006-12-01T22:54:28Z oleg@anonymous.disqus.net Oleg 89.109.238.207 wp_id=1787;date=2006-12-04 09:15:09-05:00 2006-12-04T14:15:09Z jbsuconik@aol.com J. B. Suconik 205.188.116.198 wp_id=1823;date=2006-12-05 12:54:03-05:00 -love & resistance from colorado]]> 2006-12-05T17:54:03Z kcandour@gmail.com kris 216.98.198.25 wp_id=1736;date=2006-12-02 13:44:39-05:00 is generating across the country.

U.S. gov't terror ratings draw outrage
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...

WASHINGTON - A leader of the new Democratic Congress, business travelers and privacy advocates expressed outrage Friday over the unannounced assignment of terrorism risk assessments to American international travelers by a computerized system managed from an unmarked, two-story brick building in Northern Virginia.

Incoming Senate Judiciary Chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy (news, bio, voting record) of Vermont pledged greater scrutiny of such government database-mining projects after reading that during the past four years millions of Americans have been evaluated without their knowledge to assess the risks that they are terrorists or criminals.

"Data banks like this are overdue for oversight," said Leahy, who will take over Judiciary in January. "That is going to change in the new Congress."

The Associated Press reported Thursday that Americans and foreigners crossing U.S. borders since 2002 have been assessed by the Homeland Security Department's computerized Automated Targeting System, or ATS.

The travelers are not allowed to see or directly challenge these risk assessments, which the government intends to keep on file for 40 years. Some or all data in the system can be shared with state, local and foreign governments for use in hiring, contracting and licensing decisions. Courts and even some private contractors can obtain some of the data under certain circumstances.

"It is simply incredible that the Bush administration is willing to share this sensitive information with foreign governments and even private employers, while refusing to allow U.S. citizens to see or challenge their own terror scores," Leahy said. This system "highlights the danger of government use of technology to conduct widespread surveillance of our daily lives without proper safeguards for privacy."

The concerns spread beyond Congress.

"I have never seen anything as egregious as this," said Kevin Mitchell, president of the Business Travel Coalition, which advocates for business travelers. It's "evidence of what can happen when there isn't proper oversight and accountability."

By late Friday, the government had received 22 written public comments about its after-the-fact disclosure of the program last month in the Federal Register, a fine-print compendium of federal rules. All either opposed it outright or objected to the lack of a direct means for people to correct any errors in the database about themselves.

"As a U.S. citizen who spends much time outside the U.S., I can understand the need for good security," wrote one who identified himself as Colin Edmunds. "However, just as I would not participate in a banking/credit card system where I have no recourse to correct or even view my personal data, I cannot accept the same of my government."

Privacy advocates also were alarmed.

"Never before in American history has our government gotten into the business of creating mass `risk assessment' ratings of its own citizens," said Barry Steinhardt, a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union. "We are stunned" the program has been undertaken "with virtually no opportunity for the public to evaluate or comment on it."

The Homeland Security Department says the nation's ability to spot criminals and other security threats "would be critically impaired without access to this data."]]> 2006-12-02T18:44:39Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 71.251.189.220 wp_id=1732;date=2006-12-02 12:44:20-05:00 Rep.Kucinich office just yesterday(and crossposted
to other forums for everyone do the same) about a
disturbing news story on a Ohio pig farm where pig
and piglets were being tortured, mutilated and hung.

see here:

Shocking Undercover Footage at Wiles Farm in Ohio Drives Congressman Dennis Kucinich to Commit To Toughening Humane Slaughter Act and Other Laws

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_...

Rep.Kucinich requested that anyone wanting to help
contact him. I did and I hope others did as well as
I crossposted this information to every animal welfare
website I knew of.

I ended my plea with support for his leadership and
efforts to stop this inhumanity against food animals
thanking him for his "lone" dissent on AETA and that I hoped he would work with the new Congress to repeal this legislation.

I'll be waging a letter writing campaign after January 2007 mobilizing everyone I know and work with
in the Animal Movement to inundate the House Speaker and Congress urging the repeal of AETA.

Please join us.]]> 2006-12-02T17:44:20Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 71.251.189.220 wp_id=1734;date=2006-12-02 13:10:21-05:00 2006-12-02T18:10:21Z eric@ananimalfriendlylife.com Eric 69.231.144.82 wp_id=2860;date=2006-12-29 16:19:11-05:00 http://www.counterpunch.org/ma...]]> 2006-12-29T21:19:11Z cyon@ij.net cyon 209.4.45.35 wp_id=114313;date=2007-11-17 08:45:51-05:00 On December 7th we ask you to organize your college campus, community, or what ever it may be to hold an event in solidarity with those who have been rounded up by the F.B.I. Be it demo at the local police department, movie on radical environmental, animal rights activism, (Behind the mask and Pick Axe are two good examples) or letter writing campaigns.
On December, 8th 2007 Potomac Earth First! is calling for a non violent Green and Black anti-authoritarian march to the FBI Headquarters to demand that these alleged activists be freed and all charges dropped! We will be starting Farragut square and marching to the F.B.I headquarters from there at one pm.
Look for the Green and Black Flags of Potomac Earth First!]]> 2007-11-17T13:45:51Z potomacearthfirst@gmail.com Potomac Earth First! 71.178.221.192 wp_id=1733;date=2006-12-02 13:00:32-05:00 is done to fur animals be done to humans that protest
the pain and suffering he sells in his store.

what more evidence is needed?]]> 2006-12-02T18:00:32Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 71.251.189.220 wp_id=1737;date=2006-12-02 13:52:28-05:00 2006-12-02T18:52:28Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 66.108.158.136 wp_id=1739;date=2006-12-02 15:18:05-05:00
"Flames of Dissent Part III: Eco-Anarchy Imploding"
http://www.eugeneweekly.com/20...]]> 2006-12-02T20:18:05Z ansel@riseup.net Ansel 72.177.71.164 wp_id=1740;date=2006-12-02 15:24:02-05:00
The store hasn't closed - they announced a move that will happen at the end of the season. They want to move out of the city as they feel the police and city government here is not "protecting" them (what they seem to want to be protected from is the First Amendment).

Gregg Schumacher lies repeatedly to the press, and blows things up beyond reason. So much so that city commissioner Randy Leonard was on a radio talk show a few days ago and said himself that the Schumachers are "liars." Schumacher even accuses the police of being in the pocket of the protesters! He claims that protesters are breaking the law even while the police are there - but feels so victimized that he claims the police won't enforce the law. Now, have you ever known police officers to reject enforcement of the law in favor or protesters?

It would all be quite ridiculous except for the fact that the language of terrorism is being thrown around as though it means something, and a certain number of people buy into it.]]> 2006-12-02T20:24:02Z elierabbit@yahoo.com Elie 24.21.143.147 wp_id=1743;date=2006-12-02 16:17:21-05:00
VICTORY - that SOB can cry about beating protestors all day... If his freedom of speech to say crap like that is protected then so should the freedom of speech of the protestors...]]> 2006-12-02T21:17:21Z nicholastrammell@gmail.com Audrey 2 67.164.185.10 wp_id=1745;date=2006-12-02 16:57:53-05:00
This speaks to the fact that Schumacher has a failed business plan for which he is trying to blame the protests. If he were making money there - i.e. if his customer base were supporting him by buying fur, he would certainly not be moving.

Fur is a dying industry, in a progressive city like Portland (in which fur is also not particularly practical). Especially when people come to know the truth about how fur is produced (which is the speech that Schumacher would like to quell). There were 25 furriers in Portland in 1940. Today there are two (soon to be one).]]> 2006-12-02T21:57:53Z elierabbit@yahoo.com Elie 24.21.143.147 wp_id=1826;date=2006-12-05 16:01:33-05:00 2006-12-05T21:01:33Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 134.179.104.132 wp_id=1829;date=2006-12-05 23:10:18-05:00
We must also keep in mind that that which is legal must not be confused as the standard by which we judge that which is ethical. They are two different things. The passage of AETA into law demonstrates that the legislative process can fail to turn out laws that are ethically reflective. Thus AETA will soon be legal but not ethical because it includes major loopholes which certain people may exploit for the purpose of willfully misconstruing First Amendment activities as terrorism in service of their personal or business agendas.]]> 2006-12-06T04:10:18Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 68.160.132.174 wp_id=1852;date=2006-12-06 19:54:03-05:00 2006-12-07T00:54:03Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=1859;date=2006-12-07 04:48:29-05:00 2006-12-07T09:48:29Z elierabbit@yahoo.com Elie 24.21.143.147 wp_id=1863;date=2006-12-07 07:14:32-05:00
And, by the way, the language of AETA is so broad as to threaten the Consitutional rights of animal activists. Brush off your critical thinking skills and read it again.]]> 2006-12-07T12:14:32Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 151.203.74.177 wp_id=1878;date=2006-12-07 21:41:20-05:00 2006-12-08T02:41:20Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=1879;date=2006-12-07 21:47:01-05:00 2006-12-08T02:47:01Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=1917;date=2006-12-09 08:26:58-05:00 2006-12-09T13:26:58Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 68.163.96.113 wp_id=1925;date=2006-12-09 13:44:48-05:00 2006-12-09T18:44:48Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=1927;date=2006-12-09 14:13:09-05:00 http://www.greenisthenewred.co.../]]> 2006-12-09T19:13:09Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 141.154.12.71 wp_id=1950;date=2006-12-10 12:12:32-05:00 n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


Please read the above definition of terrorism and tell me how any of those arson's tried to meet this goal.]]> 2006-12-10T17:12:32Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=1961;date=2006-12-10 17:29:02-05:00
"There is no single, universally accepted definition of terrorism." Like hate legislation, it's the subject of much debate. In any case:

Also, note the word "unlawful."

Those in power pass the laws. Those who pushed AETA through congress legitimated their own forms of coercion and violence against society for ideological and political reasons.

Lastly, we can go around in circles on this forever. AETA targets not just violent offenders, but those who are non-violent and are exercising First Amendment rights.

Your a fool, Joe.

Nice chatting with you.

"It’s hard to make someone understand something if his salary depends on him not understanding it."

--Upton Sinclair (from an "Inconvenient Truth")]]> 2006-12-10T22:29:02Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 141.154.81.125 wp_id=1967;date=2006-12-10 21:17:14-05:00
Yes I did not the use of "unlawful" and my question to you is where can you show me the LEGAL use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments?

I also understand terrorism by animal rights groups having been the victim of it. I am a state Wildlife Biologist, myself and colleagues do more to help wildlife in a month than ALL animal rights groups have ever done.]]> 2006-12-11T02:17:14Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=1968;date=2006-12-10 21:22:41-05:00 2006-12-11T02:22:41Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=1994;date=2006-12-11 23:17:04-05:00 2006-12-12T04:17:04Z yomama@hotmail.com dj subvert 74.229.41.56 wp_id=2042;date=2006-12-13 03:05:18-05:00
ha ha these clueless freak shows will lie and try to sound like victims yet they glorify torture and murder and ask people to shop with them! Who do they think they are!

I say the "awareness" should follow them no matter where they go!!!!

It's not about BUSINESS its about life an this is a prime example of the HORROR and GREED that money creates...people no longer care for life...just the heartless fools who make $ of murder...I think we ALL know who the REAL TERRORISTS are!!

Stop Animal Cruelty!!!

KEEP IT UP!!!]]> 2006-12-13T08:05:18Z dalyoot@excite.com Dallas 71.56.158.31 wp_id=2207;date=2006-12-16 12:42:17-05:00
received anonymously:

"Friday Aug 25 : Schumacher furs lock glued and spray painted 'If your conscience doesn't keep you up at night - we will.'



This and the list at Bite Back is why we have and need the AETA!]]> 2006-12-16T17:42:17Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=2338;date=2006-12-18 23:30:35-05:00
The millions of animal victims of terrorism-for-profit have no rights, no voice. They are utterly dependent on the consciences, goodwill, and mercy of humans. How can anyone support such a bloody, violent enterprise as the fur trade? How could one's sympathies not lie with the animals who are incarcerated, tortured, and slaughtered en masse, who are treated like mere things? How can anyone not side with the desperate and terrified coyote who chews off her own leg in a last-gasp effort to escape death - and perhaps feed her young? Why would anyone side with her tormentor? Who could not be up in arms about the millions of "non target" animals - including cats and dogs - who are crippled and killed by the fur trade's traps?

That animal defenders and animal rights activists have been, overall, as calm as they have been shows incredible restraint; it is a testament to their resolve to bring justice to animals though peaceful means, it is an indication of their acknowledgment that animal liberation and animal rights requires a long-term overhaul of societal conditioning and prejudices.

AETA gives yet more protections to institutionalized violence against animals. What the fur stores are most afraid of is the truth. The fur trade desperately does not want people to know, or think about, how their ill-gotten products are made. They rely on deception - such as the loophole that allows items costing less than $150 to not reveal whether they are made of animal fur - and public ignorance. A fur coat owner a few months ago told me that the fur was carefully clipped off the animal (who no doubt lived freely in an idyllic field in the country); she had no idea the animals slaughtered to make her coat lived miserable, impoverished lives and were killed by having high-voltage probes shoved into their rectums and mouths. She would never find that out from the fur industry; she would likely only learn the awful truth - directly or indirectly - from animal rights activists who conduct undercover investigations and other research, and document the misery and cruelty. The fur industry fears the truth getting out because it is more powerful than all their advertising campaigns; it incriminates them; it has the power to abolish their industry.

The fur industry promotes fur as "glamorous" and "luxurious." They promote indulgence and greed and completely ignore the immense and completely unnecessary suffering they cause. That is wrong. Fur is murder, fur is terrorism, fur is theft. Fur is violence for profit. "Love of money is the root of all evil." The fur industry actually is right that fur is glamorous and luxurious - on the animals who were born in it. Animals depend on that fur; it's their only clothing. It keeps them warm; they keep it immaculate. God gives the animals fur coats; the fur trade steals them.]]> 2006-12-19T04:30:35Z info@animallwritings.com Gary 68.106.123.219 wp_id=3065;date=2007-01-02 15:42:47-05:00 2007-01-02T20:42:47Z me@anonymous.disqus.net me 166.70.146.22 wp_id=3075;date=2007-01-02 21:01:37-05:00
Reason is not on the side of the supporters of the AETA. In fact, by punishing people for their politics--that is, for their opinions--they are committing a logical fallacy of "argumentum ad baculam" (argument from a stick). People have a right to believe anything they want. The use of coercion to force people to change their beliefs is unconstitutional.

The Bush administration applies the word "terrorism" to people who are not terrorists at all, such as the ALF, and does not apply it to people like the contras, praised by Reagan as "freedom fighters" although they were, in fact, terrorists by any definition.

Bush has protected known terrorists like Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch. They were responsible for the sabotage of a Cuban airliner blown up over Barbados in 1976, killing 73 passengers and crew members.

If right-wing extremists who really are terrorists are not punished, but protected, while people who are not terrorists at all, such as the ALF, are punished, then the U.S. government is discriminating unjustly and illegally against people for their political views. A more blatant violation of the Constitution can scarcely be conceived.

Justice means fairness and impartiality. If the U.S. had a clear definition of the word "terrorist" and applied it impartially to rightists and leftists, not considering people's politics, that would at least treat people equally. But the U.S. is targeting leftists and environmentalists, who are not terrorists, and letting rightists, many of whom are terrorists, go unpunished.

The statement that petty vandalism always hurts one's cause is a very broad generalization, which is sometimes true and sometimes false, depending on the circumstances. The suffragettes in America and Britain committed lots of petty vandalism for the cause of votes for women, and it worked: eventually there were votes for women. The Boston Tea Party involved property destruction (pouring tea into Boston Harbor to protest the Stamp Act by Americans dressed as Indians), but it did not hurt the cause of American independence. We are taught in school to revere the people who did that as patriots. But the so-called Patriot Act would have imprisoned these patriots.

If the suffragettes and the patriots of the Boston Tea Party are admirable, why are the ALF reprehensible? Let the supporters of the AETA explain that, if they can.]]> 2007-01-03T02:01:37Z cyon@ij.net cyon 209.4.45.191 wp_id=3149;date=2007-01-03 22:11:49-05:00
my favorite quote so far: "A fur coat owner a few months ago told me that the fur was carefully clipped off the animal (who no doubt lived freely in an idyllic field in the country); she had no idea the animals slaughtered to make her coat lived miserable, impoverished lives and were killed by having high-voltage probes shoved into their rectums and mouths."

That just makes me feel so much better about holding signs out in front of TJMaxx or wherever.

Joe, thanks for being that guy.

It's important to be well versed with the multitude of skewed defending arguments for the AETA.

Vandalism and destruction of property has accompanied every change of power or transition between social paradigms. This is exactly what is happened. Such acts constitute a minority and must not be used to discount the entire movement. This law is doing exactly that.


"Protest beyond the law is not a departure from democracy, it is completely essential to it." - Howard Zinn]]> 2007-01-04T03:11:49Z rcmarley@hush.com meanvegan 151.199.41.112 wp_id=3229;date=2007-01-05 04:18:40-05:00 2007-01-05T09:18:40Z bkind2animals@spiritone.com Billy 216.99.208.136 wp_id=21388;date=2007-02-28 09:03:33-05:00 2007-02-28T14:03:33Z youdontneedto_know@anonymous.disqus.net YouDontNeedTo Know 209.34.112.24 wp_id=21700;date=2007-02-28 12:55:40-05:00 2007-02-28T17:55:40Z antonio2783@yahoo.com Antonio 85.255.119.75 wp_id=136496;date=2008-01-27 22:27:25-05:00 2008-01-28T03:27:25Z englishaussie2001@yahoo.com kay 71.117.212.200 wp_id=136892;date=2008-01-30 10:51:13-05:00 It seems like the city, and the courts, feel that the animal advocates are well within their First Amendment rights to protest, and not be considered "terrorists" for doing so. Will]]> 2008-01-30T15:51:13Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=144589;date=2008-03-23 11:52:10-04:00
This Schumacher fellow has some videos up on his website, have you seen them? It doesn't exactly look like peaceful protesting to me. Hooded extremists, faces covered, following people outside the shop, screaming at them, encroaching them, sounds like harrassment to me.]]> 2008-03-23T15:52:10Z livardo@anonymous.disqus.net Livardo 69.115.162.225 wp_id=179059;date=2008-11-17 13:00:10-05:00
If they could get away with it, and make a buck, i am 100% they would have lots of human skin for sale.]]> 2008-11-17T18:00:10Z simone_j_phillips@hotmail.com Simone 62.56.67.27 wp_id=1982;date=2006-12-11 10:56:48-05:00
Photos at
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/20...
http://www.stratecomm.net/~fri...]]> 2006-12-11T15:56:48Z friendsofdanielmcg@yahoo.com supportdaniel.org 209.191.137.98 wp_id=1988;date=2006-12-11 14:49:46-05:00 http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/2006/12/80510.html. Will]]> 2006-12-11T19:49:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=1992;date=2006-12-11 21:44:26-05:00 2006-12-12T02:44:26Z njannounce@riseup.net jersey 68.80.215.243 wp_id=1964;date=2006-12-10 18:41:06-05:00 2006-12-10T23:41:06Z chris@anonymous.disqus.net chris 131.109.67.94 wp_id=1970;date=2006-12-10 22:41:23-05:00 2006-12-11T03:41:23Z info@njerisims.net Njeri 24.221.172.89 wp_id=3051;date=2007-01-02 09:15:50-05:00 2007-01-02T14:15:50Z kry@anonymous.disqus.net kry 218.186.9.3 wp_id=2027;date=2006-12-12 14:23:21-05:00
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI...

Ohio's Kucinich announces Oval Office bid]]> 2006-12-12T19:23:21Z denni50@yahoo.com Denise 208.31.251.14 wp_id=2028;date=2006-12-12 14:27:40-05:00
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/Arti.../
gore_oscar_061211/20061211?hub=Entertainment&s_name=]]> 2006-12-12T19:27:40Z denni50@yahoo.com Denise 208.31.251.14 wp_id=3626;date=2007-01-10 13:57:45-05:00
The Democrats and the Republicans are the twin parties of capitalism. As Gore Vidal said, American has one political party with two right wings.

We shouldn't allow our energy to be siphoned off by the politicans for their egoistic agendas. That's the first step towards compromising and selling out. Why do you think that now, when public revulsion against the Iraq war is at an all-time high, there are no massive anti-war demonstrations? It's because the biggest anti-war groups threw their support to the Democratic Party, preferring to rely on their so-called "representatives" (who represent only themselves) instead of continuing to act directly through demonstrations, thereby disempowering their millions of supporters supposedly "represented" by a bunch of cynical, ambitious, power-hungry politicans riding on the back of the anti-war movement.

We have only so much energy. Instead of wasting it in electioneering for supposedly "progressive" candidates, we should focus on opposing regressive laws like the AETA and continuing to oppose factory farming, vivisection, hunting, and other forms of animal exploitation, and also the hideous destruction of the natural environment humans and other animals need to survive.

Electoralism is the death of activism. We should act ourselves instead of letting "representatives" act for us while we are inactive.

"Political freedom to vote for generally indistinguishable representatives of the same system is but a delusive ratification of a non-democratic political system."--Douglas Kellner, Introduction to Herbert Marcuse's One Dimensional Man.]]> 2007-01-10T18:57:45Z cyon@ij.net cyon 209.4.45.133 wp_id=2605;date=2006-12-24 22:05:39-05:00 2006-12-25T03:05:39Z rcmarley@hush.com cuban b 71.233.66.24 wp_id=2112;date=2006-12-15 00:02:27-05:00 2006-12-15T05:02:27Z blue@anonymous.disqus.net Blue 24.247.49.132 wp_id=2136;date=2006-12-15 07:40:45-05:00
The good news is, he likes soy sauce because it's fermented, which apparently kills the gay pathogen. Phew.]]> 2006-12-15T12:40:45Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 68.163.103.64 wp_id=2137;date=2006-12-15 08:09:21-05:00 2006-12-15T13:09:21Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 68.163.103.64 wp_id=2138;date=2006-12-15 09:36:15-05:00 2006-12-15T14:36:15Z georgekirk@gmail.com Kirk 205.172.21.142 wp_id=2142;date=2006-12-15 10:54:00-05:00
So, in fact, tofu and other soy products, far from intering with men's sexual health, actually improve it.

If the right-wingers want to look for something that really does feminize males, they should look to certain plastics, which do have this effect. But, of course, they won't do that, because that would be a "green" position--i.e., a position that objects to the proliferation of chemicals which do not exist in nature and to the contamination of the food supply by industrial agriculture.

See "Toxic Deception: How the Chemical Industry Manipulates Science, Bends the Law and Endangers Your Health," by Dan Fagin, Marianne Lavelle, and the Center for Public Integrity (Monroe, Maine, 1999).

Male homosexuality is not caused by female hormones anyway. Its cause is unknown but may be genetic, and so the whole issue is absurd.]]> 2006-12-15T15:54:00Z cyon@ij.net cyon 209.4.45.253 wp_id=2143;date=2006-12-15 11:02:35-05:00 2006-12-15T16:02:35Z geargab@gmail.com Bill 209.181.235.160 wp_id=2144;date=2006-12-15 11:15:10-05:00 2006-12-15T16:15:10Z bethsopko@yahoo.com Frank Language 162.84.187.234 wp_id=2149;date=2006-12-15 12:18:48-05:00
I must say, however that i agree that people should not give soymilk to babies - that's what breastmilk is for!!]]> 2006-12-15T17:18:48Z andrea@anonymous.disqus.net Andrea 128.62.209.83 wp_id=2152;date=2006-12-15 13:02:42-05:00 2006-12-15T18:02:42Z jenn_luree@yahoo.com Jenn 69.2.171.167 wp_id=2153;date=2006-12-15 13:27:14-05:00 2006-12-15T18:27:14Z purplelamb@earthlink.net j 75.35.24.1 wp_id=2159;date=2006-12-15 14:28:37-05:00 2006-12-15T19:28:37Z erin@coveringcleveland.org Erin Huber 8.14.176.185 wp_id=2165;date=2006-12-15 17:27:33-05:00
It is noted in the consensus statement that the safety of isoflavones at specific amounts has not been established and to receive potential health benefits, it is preferable to obtain isoflavones from whole foods. Approximately 25 grams a day of soy protein in soy foods provides approximately 50 mg/day of isoflavones (mg isoflavones=approximately 2X soy protein amount). Average soy protein intake / amount of isoflavones is listed below for the following foods (Soy Protein Partners):

1 cup fortified soy milk: 7 grams of soy protein / 43 mg isoflavones
1/2 cup tofu: 10 grams soy protein / 25 mg isoflavones
1/2 cup cooked soy beans: 14 grams soy protein / 50 mg isoflavones
1/4 cup soy nuts: 15 g protein / 78 mg isoflavones.]]> 2006-12-15T22:27:33Z __@anonymous.disqus.net [ ] 130.13.193.4 wp_id=2167;date=2006-12-15 17:38:20-05:00 Males could really do well with more "feminizing" And whats wrong with growing breasts? Us men would be more attractive if we had some nice boobs, everyone likes boobs. Hopefully, according to the freaky logic these kooks use, we'll grow boobs that lactate SOY products (mmm chocolate!) and feed eachother and that will be the end of hunger!]]> 2006-12-15T22:38:20Z m3house@gmail.com Micah 71.193.146.80 wp_id=2169;date=2006-12-15 17:48:27-05:00 2006-12-15T22:48:27Z siuc2000@hotmail.com Lori 165.134.221.1 wp_id=2183;date=2006-12-16 02:31:34-05:00 2006-12-16T07:31:34Z vegan__higher_iq@anonymous.disqus.net Vegan = Higher IQ 24.189.22.28 wp_id=2186;date=2006-12-16 03:18:19-05:00 2006-12-16T08:18:19Z aaron_j_roberts@hotmail.com Aaron 213.107.224.19 wp_id=2217;date=2006-12-16 17:18:31-05:00
i quote his article:
"Soy is feminizing, and commonly leads to a decrease in the size of the penis, sexual confusion and homosexuality"

so....someone is obviously feeling the persitend flow towards femininity and scarry gay fantasies, but thinks that he is trying to protect the rest of us from...soymilk?]]> 2006-12-16T22:18:31Z rezrezrez@fastmail.fm reZz 67.116.252.180 wp_id=2224;date=2006-12-16 23:10:44-05:00 Obviously he has not chosen his audience well, the comments have a common them which proves that the author should probably a) get a reality check b) grow up c) never write an article of this genre again]]> 2006-12-17T04:10:44Z feverish_jack@hotmail.com Brittany 68.149.22.186 wp_id=2375;date=2006-12-19 11:11:03-05:00 2006-12-19T16:11:03Z mdreben@gmail.com McDLT 76.17.138.182 wp_id=2385;date=2006-12-19 15:26:50-05:00 2006-12-19T20:26:50Z ladyjanejoyce@gmail.com Jane Joyce 209.181.99.160 wp_id=2461;date=2006-12-21 10:40:39-05:00 2006-12-21T15:40:39Z _@anonymous.disqus.net [ ] 130.13.194.239 wp_id=2586;date=2006-12-24 11:22:52-05:00 2006-12-24T16:22:52Z bunni@anonymous.disqus.net Bunni 24.31.98.79 wp_id=2776;date=2006-12-28 02:31:08-05:00 2006-12-28T07:31:08Z sknight1@kent.edu Sean 70.228.88.226 wp_id=2966;date=2006-12-31 17:41:07-05:00 2006-12-31T22:41:07Z caryj24@gmail.com Caryn 24.21.213.218 wp_id=2983;date=2007-01-01 02:57:21-05:00 2007-01-01T07:57:21Z cardoso5@yahoo.com Regina Stegall 71.154.210.201 wp_id=3141;date=2007-01-03 19:18:50-05:00 Soya reduces risk of breast cancer in women too and reduces the symptoms of the menopause. Its all good.
If it turns men gay then what the hell does it do to women? Turn em onto Marilyn Monroe???? hahaha You wish!]]> 2007-01-04T00:18:50Z northerntracey@hotmail.com Northerntracey 86.53.55.169 wp_id=3214;date=2007-01-04 21:27:25-05:00 2007-01-05T02:27:25Z arthur_berkhardt@yahoo.com Arthur Berkhardt 71.162.168.66 wp_id=151304;date=2008-05-16 18:46:46-04:00 For health & heart.... Go Vegan!]]> 2008-05-16T22:46:46Z bea.elliott@verizon.net Bea Elliott 71.122.135.64 wp_id=163947;date=2008-08-05 14:44:07-04:00 2008-08-05T18:44:07Z bob@sinclair.com Bob Sinclair 82.45.62.254 wp_id=177861;date=2008-11-12 00:41:38-05:00 2008-11-12T05:41:38Z k@anonymous.disqus.net K 70.77.113.6 wp_id=181043;date=2008-12-03 08:13:00-05:00 2008-12-03T13:13:00Z pg@aol.com PG 128.240.229.68 wp_id=201093;date=2009-02-23 02:01:11-05:00
When i read this, however, it made me extremely sad. It just pains me to see people bashing one's ideals. If the Hillshire Farms can advertise their "go meat!" slogan, why cant we advertise our opposite ideals?

It hurts me to see that we're seen as being affeminate, when in reality all walks of life can choose to stop eating meat. They don't have to love animals, or wear "hippie" style clothes (which a lot of people i know seem to think vegans/vegetarians do for some reason) they just have to know that the suffering of another living thing is WRONG, and afterall, aren't we all taught as children to do what we think it right?

I'm just happy to know there are people in this world who really do care about the enviroment and the animals, because if they don't who will? I just wish that our government actually DID care, instead of pretending like they do to keep us fat and happy while slowly stealing ... ahem i mean "liberating" us from our freedoms.

Sigh.

(PS, a side note to us being "affeminate". . .Im a fuckin' derby girl, and girls who play roller derby are anything BUT affeminate, so there!)]]> 2009-02-23T07:01:11Z kafons@aol.com Karen 76.226.213.191 wp_id=230170;date=2009-10-23 20:33:19-04:00 any more than giving male hormones to gay men would make them straight. I do believe, however, that the abundance of female hormones in our food and water supply could affect the gender identification or the sexuality of a fetus. It certainly seems like more and more young males are bisexual or gay. Someone needs to study how long the animals we eat have been given female hormones and corrolate that with the rise in homosexuality. Also, more men seem to have sexual problems due to low testosterone, hence the need for Viagra. There's probably a link, but the goverment and the food industry is going to keep selling us the bill of goods that there are no health risks.
That's why I eat organic and hormone free as much as I can, and I wish I had known about this when I was pregnant.]]> 2009-10-24T00:33:19Z mousies.6@verizon.net MS 71.166.73.50 wp_id=231060;date=2009-11-05 20:38:38-05:00 The hormones in the water (and vicariously, the food) are making no one gay. It has shown that hormones in water have causes higher populations of intersexed (hermaphroditic) fish, and this is definitely a problem, but it certainly has nothing to do with anyone's sexual preference. The reason you might have noticed more males being bisexual or gay is because it has become much more acceptable in recent years, especially among youth culture. And why do you specify only gay males? Have there not also been more openly gay women as well? What chemicals are making our lesbians?

Also, two things are driving sales of Viagra and other "male enhancement" drugs: A.) a very expensive ad campaign by the makers of these drugs that work off of B.) male fear of loss of virility. Testosterone levels in men naturally lessen as they age; of course most men would leap at the chance to have a young, erect penis again.]]> 2009-11-06T01:38:38Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.66.139 wp_id=231356;date=2009-11-11 06:44:12-05:00 would.
I believe for most people homosexuality is not a choice. As for
lesbians, maybe the hormones keep a fetus female
at that crucial stage when the fetus could go either way with a hypothalmus that desires females.
What about transexuals? The hormones could cause the body to be one sex and the brain to be that of a different sex, going one stage further than being simply gay. Who knows? Even the medical community hasn't figured that puzzle out so how can you say definitively that hormones don't have an effect? Better safe than sorry.]]> 2009-11-11T11:44:12Z mousies.6@verizon.net MS 71.166.2.88 wp_id=231867;date=2009-11-23 08:28:22-05:00 2009-11-23T13:28:22Z bobby.hundreds@gmail.com Pei Mei 70.31.21.85 wp_id=234301;date=2010-01-02 19:33:51-05:00 Show me a reference.]]> 2010-01-03T00:33:51Z justin@anonymous.disqus.net Justin 24.19.95.157 wp_id=2307;date=2006-12-18 12:12:19-05:00 2006-12-18T17:12:19Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=2310;date=2006-12-18 12:44:14-05:00 Nothing on this site has said anyone who has committed crimes shouldn't go to jail. My point, rather, is that corporations and prosecutors are seeking "terrorism enhancements" and labeling individuals "terrorists" in the press-- and not doing so against anyone, as you say, "who commits arson for profit"-- because of the politics of those involved. It's reckless to justify branding someone a "terrorist" simply out of politics. Will]]> 2006-12-18T17:44:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=2315;date=2006-12-18 13:30:40-05:00 does it make sense that the prosecution indicted McGowan on 2 arsons that had a maximum of life plus 335 years? hmmm...]]> 2006-12-18T18:30:40Z noemail@noemail.com j 209.191.137.98 wp_id=2333;date=2006-12-18 20:31:52-05:00 do you honestly believe he pled guilty because he committed those acts of arson? give me a break.
but regardless of whether or not he is in fact guilty, these arsons occurred quite a few years ago if i am not mistaken. he has since been involved in above-ground, legal activism. what good does putting him in jail do exactly? the human services org that he worked for (i forget the name) is minus one hard worker. his family is indebted with legal charges. and the activist community is pushed underground as a result of the fear that is associated with practicing LEGAL civil disobedience, attending LEGAL protests, and LEGALLY reporting the actions of fellow activists.
there is no reason why we should not be supporting those who have been sentenced as a result of the green scare.]]> 2006-12-19T01:31:52Z kimberly.978@gmail.com k 24.62.190.143 wp_id=2377;date=2006-12-19 11:58:19-05:00
He still commited them and deserves to be in prison or can anyone who commits a felony just do some voulenteer work and then its forgoten?]]> 2006-12-19T16:58:19Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=2572;date=2006-12-23 21:58:58-05:00 2006-12-24T02:58:58Z chris@anonymous.disqus.net Chris 68.6.204.43 wp_id=2760;date=2006-12-27 19:40:15-05:00 2006-12-28T00:40:15Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=2807;date=2006-12-28 17:17:06-05:00
If a bully beats somebody up, this is assault, and already illegal. If the bully insults his victim with words such as "nigger" or "faggot" or "kike" while beating him up, it is called a hate crime and given a more severe sentence. The difference is that the prejudiced bully has certain OPINIONS about blacks or gays or Jews. Such opinions may be deplorable, but they are opinions. Voltaire said: "I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it."

Why should a bully who beats somebody up and yells a word expressing some sort of prejudice be punished more severely than a bully who beats somebody up and does not yell such a word? He does not have any right to beat people up, but he does have a right to hold prejudiced opinions and should not be punished for these opinions. The differential in the sentences punishes the bully for holding prejudiced OPINIONS. Punishing people for their opinions is unconstitutional.

In the case of green scare defendants, the government wants to add "terrorism enhancements" to their sentences. Some of them could get 3 years without the terrorism enhancement, or 28 years with the enhancement. The differential of 25 years is punishing them for their OPINIONS. The U.S. government has no business telling the citizens what they are allowed to think.

I would recommend to Joe that he read John Stuart Mill's essay "On Liberty" in order to appreciate the importance of freedom of thought. Societies that rely on thought control stagnate. Do we want America to become a stagnant society like Spain in the days of the Inquisition? If not, then we should support freedom of thought and expression and oppose laws like the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act and the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act, which are turning this country into a fascist dictatorship.]]> 2006-12-28T22:17:06Z cyon@ij.net cyon 209.4.45.186 wp_id=2836;date=2006-12-29 07:41:17-05:00 The Tobacco Industry: Purveyors of animal-friendly chemical-substance addictions!

I agree with Joe, animal rights activism will never be taken serious among the majority of the population (whose mindsets you are looking to change), without greater condemnation from activists themselves of illegal and destructive actions and those who commit them. First and foremost, your "average joe" wants peace and love in this world. Trying to make a point through loud, hate-filled, angry and violent means will turn people off from your message before they've even heard the words you're saying. I know this isn't the popular choice, because it does not feed the ego as much as that above list of behaviors, but if you're serious... SERIOUS, about trying to make a positive difference in this world, make sure you're working more FOR the good, and less AGAINST the bad. And make sure you're not redirecting your anger from somewhere else in your life AT animal rights activism...]]> 2006-12-29T12:41:17Z tooblekaine@yahoo.com Guy 68.237.100.230 wp_id=2915;date=2006-12-30 15:52:28-05:00
In the 50s the House Un-American Activities Committee subpoenaed liberals and former Communists and tried to force them to name names, implicating others for "subversive" activites. Now, grand juries go on fishing expeditions, threatening animal and environmental activists with jail if they refuse to name names and betray others.

Then as now, opportunists, reformists, and compromisers tried to protect themselves by distancing themselves from the radicals. In the 50s, it did them no good whatsoever and was cowardly and contemptible. It will do us no good now. Instead of excommunicating the radicals and issuing moralistic denunciations of their activities, we should express solidarity with them and oppose and protest against unjust, draconian laws which have a chilling effect on freedom of speech.

Guy wants "greater condemnation" from animal groups of activities by the ALF. The HSUS, an animal "welfare" organization, and Friends of Animals, an animal "rights" organization, have been vociferously condemning the ALF for years. This is a tactical error on their part. They should instead extend solidarity to the imprisoned activists. "An injury to one is an injury to all."

To pursue the analogy to the anticommunist hysteria of the 50s, mainstream groups like HSUS and FoA who distance themselves from the radicals are like the liberal anti-communists of the 50s era, such as the labor unions and the Cold War liberals of the Democratic Party... the same bozos who brought us the Vietnam War.

The real libertarians and the real animal liberationists are those who support and extend solidarity to the ALF, the ELF, and SHAC, not those who confine their activism to the issuing of lofty moral pronouncements from their comfortable offices. That is not moral idealism; it is cowardice and political opportunism.]]> 2006-12-30T20:52:28Z cyon@ij.net cyon 209.4.45.119 wp_id=3108;date=2007-01-03 10:51:32-05:00
found this on another blog that references you
commenting on the recent NYSE deal with HLS
to trade anonymously.

http://geari.blogspot.com/
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTer...

Journalist and animal rights sympathizer Will Potter told UPI that targeting the market-makers -- financial middlemen who promise to buy a company's shares at the prevailing price and make real-time trading possible on the pre-electronic NYSE big board -- had been a big step forward for SHAC campaigners, and was what had enabled them to scotch the planned listing.

"That was what got the (animal research) industry really freaked out," said Potter, "once the activists started to understand how important the market makers were... how the stock market actually worked... It was a real turning point."]]> 2007-01-03T15:51:32Z denni50@yahoo.com Denise 208.31.251.14 wp_id=3113;date=2007-01-03 11:22:03-05:00 2007-01-03T16:22:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.91 wp_id=3140;date=2007-01-03 19:08:10-05:00 2007-01-04T00:08:10Z northerntracey@hotmail.com Northerntracey 86.53.55.169 wp_id=3224;date=2007-01-05 01:53:10-05:00 2007-01-05T06:53:10Z tmmcguire@stthomas.edu Tim M 71.193.77.97 wp_id=6024;date=2007-01-30 01:47:21-05:00 2007-01-30T06:47:21Z earthliberationfront@hotmail.com Eco-Guerrilla 68.113.88.96 wp_id=3559;date=2007-01-09 20:48:55-05:00
This group ran a website that encouraged and applauded violence against all who worked at HLS, including posting their children names,photo and school schedule. Would any of you want the same to be posted on the web?...... I know.......I know you will come back with the same old animal rights rhetoric of how HLS uses animals in medical research so the shac7 were justified in terrorizing the people that work there....guess what they weren't and now they got what they deserve.....prison.]]> 2007-01-10T01:48:55Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.53.149 wp_id=3627;date=2007-01-10 14:16:04-05:00
Threatening people is, in fact, against the law and is called "assault." Liberating animals from laboratories is also illegal and is theft. Publicizing these activities is not illegal, unless Joe perhaps would like to have reporters for the New York Times arrested when they report on such activities.

The SHAC website did not actually tell people to go and engage in threatening behavior. It merely reported this this was happening. It's the same with Bite Back, which does not say: go steal animals out of laboratories. Bite Back just reports on this. What, then? Should it be illegal to inform the public that animals are being stolen out of laboratories? Then bye-bye freedom of the press! If it's against the law not only to engage in rebellion, but even to tell the public that rebellion is occurring, then we are living in a dictatorship.

Perhaps Joe would like to go live in China. There have been thousands of demonstrations by peasants against seizure of their land. The Chinese government will not permit any reportage of these rebellions. If it is illegal not only to engage in illegal direct action for animals, but also to report on this in the media,including internet media, then we are living in a dictatorship.]]> 2007-01-10T19:16:04Z cyon@ij.net cyon 209.4.45.133 wp_id=3628;date=2007-01-10 15:04:24-05:00 clinics WITH PEOPLE IN THEM!!!]]> 2007-01-10T20:04:24Z denni50@yahoo.com Denise 208.31.251.14 wp_id=3706;date=2007-01-11 08:03:37-05:00
What I find ironic is, you see the Bush administration compromising American's freedoms with this war on terror, because "it's the right thing to do," with the belief that such invasions of privacy in the lives on ordinary citizens would not happen during "peace-time." But I would ask those who target HLS in the way that SHAC and its supporters have: Would you target your neighbor with the same kind of attacks if you disagreed with some aspect of how they lived their lives? Do you give permission to hard-right religious groups to organize such campaigns of relentless intimidation against gays who are/want to be married? If I strongly believe the world should be the way I want it, should I stop at nothing to remake the world in my own image?

I've often heard caution given to activists to only do what's "within the law." But that begs a lot of moral and ethical questions, such as: how much would you really be willing to do if you were unrestrained by the law? Is "the law" the predominant moral compass? Just "how LOW would YOU go?"

Now I can hear the responses that it's not US who are LOW, it's THEM for even engaging in animal testing to begin with! I understand to many, the killing of animals for research or food is a moral issue that may supercede all others; after all, it's an "animal holocaust" out there.

Though I've never heard it been said, it struck me that the ultimate goal of animal rights activists can only be to completely eliminate the use of animals from human agriculture, a process that's existed for as long as man has. If that's a movement that isn't extreme, than I don't know what is!

Oh, and there's no muddy definition of terrorism, any dictionary will gladly spell out its meaning. It's a shame that you can't get any straight talk on this side of the argument, there's just as much rhetoric here; the SHAC 7 were "SIMPLY running a website..." (child pornographers also SIMPLY run websites). We all love animals, how can we possibly be terrorists as well???]]> 2007-01-11T13:03:37Z tooblekaine@yahoo.com Guy 68.237.100.230 wp_id=3808;date=2007-01-12 11:20:27-05:00
(1) Guy states that the use of animals in agriculture has existed as long as humans have. Not so. Humans have been around for about two million years, but agriculture has existed for only about 10,000 years, the beginning of the Neolithic. Before that time, our ancestors were hunter-gatherers. They did kill animals through hunting and fishing, but did not domesticate animals through agriculture. Some anthropologists follow the "man the hunter" theory according to which hunting and meat-eating were essential to human evolution, but other anthropologists prefer the "woman the gatherer" theory according to which hunting on a large scale began around 40,000 years ago, before which time our ancestors relied on gathering of edible plants. See Nancy Tanner, On Becoming Human, Cambridge, 1981.

(2) Guy states that there is no muddy definition of terrorism. On the contrary, "terrorism" has many incompatible definitions. "US industries and the state capitalize on the vagueness of the term 'terrorism' to apply it in any way they see fit to suit their purposes." (Steven Best and Anthony Nocella, Terrorists or Freedom Fighters: Reflections on the Liberation of Animals, New York: Lantern Books, 2004, p. 363.) Best and Nocella list 32 different and incompatible definitions that have been given by various authorities. They note that these definitions generally exclude (a) US and state-sponsored terrorism, and (b) species terrorism.

(3) Guy confuses speech which is constitutionally protected and speech which is not. Child pornography is not constitutionally protected speech, but a website reporting on illegal activites of animal liberationists is so protected. In the former case, the content of the website (child pornography) is itself criminal; in the latter case, the content of the website is reportage of illegal acts like freeing animals from fur farms or laboratories. This content is not itself criminal--unless Guy would perhaps like to see journalists punished whenever they report illegal activities.

(4) Guy confuses invasion of privacy of individuals by corporations and the state with lifting the veil of secrecy from corporations and the state by individuals. The computer revolution has made it possible for governments and corporations to spy on private individuals as never before, and this erodes our freedom. But the same techological revolution has also made it harder for governments, corporations, and other massive structure to operate in secrecy, because now private citizens can much more easily spy on the power structure. And that is exactly what SHAC was doing: making clever and creative use of new technologies to lift the veil of secrecy behind which the vivisection industry traditionally operates. If new technologies have given governments, the police, and big business more ability to spy on the people, the only real antidote to this loss of freedom is for ordinary people, private citizens, to turn it around and use these new technologies to spy on governments and big business. Government wants to keep tabs on every person, in a total surveillance society, while becoming more secretive in its own operations. Corporations also wish to operate behind a veil of secrecy. The only way to preserve our freedom is to exploit the possibilities of new technologies to spy on the power structure. The remedy for surveillance is "sousveillance"--spying on the Eye of Power. See Michel Foucault, Discipline and Punish, on the "panopticon."]]> 2007-01-12T16:20:27Z cyon@ij.net cyon 209.4.45.8 wp_id=3817;date=2007-01-12 13:52:40-05:00 2007-01-12T18:52:40Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 68.160.175.4 wp_id=3950;date=2007-01-13 14:28:24-05:00
found this on another blog and felt it to be vital
information for every Activist:
(the guide is in .pdf format for printout)

Guide to Help Activists Deal with Police Encounters: Know your Rights When Dealing With Police

http://www.indybay.org/newsite...

excerpt:
KNOW YOUR RIGHTS & Resist the Police State

Our system of laws exists to maintain the dominance of those in power, and the police are its armed enforcers. If you doubt this for a minute, look at who are the selective targets of local laws: The homeless, the young, the poor, dissenters. Globally, look at who dies and who gets rich from our wars and other disasters.

For 250 years in this country, the government and their enforcers have consistently fought against people working for liberation: Indigenous resistance, land reformers, slave revolts, abolitionists, labor organizers & workers, free-speech advocates, women and civil rights workers, anti-war and anti-globalization protesters, and recently, animal rights and environmental activists.

Your relationship with the police is at heart adversarial. While there may be cops with hearts of gold, the job of all police is to arrest and prosecute you. As such, it is almost never in your best interest to cooperate with the police.]]> 2007-01-13T19:28:24Z dayala50@verizon.net D.Ayala 71.251.179.208 wp_id=50856;date=2007-03-23 01:35:44-04:00 2007-03-23T05:35:44Z dgrimey@hotmail.com Brescht 156.34.242.150 wp_id=55967;date=2007-04-04 10:16:21-04:00
S-----’s direct work number is ###-###-####
Her work e-mail address is [EMAIL]

R------ is about 50 and can run an 8K in 46:16

They have a kid named B----, possibly one named R-- and possibly another named J-----. J----- plays soccer. They may have a maid named B----------.

B----’s teacher’s name is probably Ms. B-------. One of them attends R------- Middle School.

Their previous address (until at least July 01) was:
#### B--- Drive
[city], TX #####

Their car insurance agent is (until July 01 at least)
Allstate, D------ X. J--------
(###) ###-####

They have a green 95 Ford Windstar
Vehicle ID: #XXXX####XXX#####.
The insurance policy number is # ## ###### ##/##.
The license for the Windstar is [license plate].

They have another car, license [license plate]. It’s gray.

Their American Airlines AAdvantage number is Xxxxxxxxx.

They attend Christ Church in Xxxxxx, TX. They are members of the Xxxxx Xxxxxx Country Club, [address].

S----- has a relative who is a CPA, her name is K------- X. [Last Name] and she works for the [company] in Portland, Maine. Her office number is ###-###-####.

Don't forget P------ …he needs pressure NOW to let him know this is only the beginning of the headache!

P------ [Last Name] (President and Director) lives at:
[address]
[city], NY #####
Home phone: ###-###-####
other number: ###-###-####

Management of the Building:
M--------- [Last Name] ###-###-#### (contact C--------).
Lobby phone number: ###-###-####

Weekend home:
[address]
[city], MA #####
Phone: ###-###-####

P------ has a blonde wife, son, and black and white dog named B-----.

He is about 6 feet, 180 pounds, in his 40s.
Wears glasses and a baseball cap.
Drives a bright blue Audi Coupe; license plate number [license plate] Mass. plates.

His brother - W------ [Last Name] - works as an attorney and is in [company] often. He lives at:
[address]
[city], NY #####
Home Phone: ###-###-####

Call and urge him to put pressure on his brother.
SHAC’s website warns employees of targeted companies: “We know where you work, we know where you eat, we know where you sleep.”]]> 2007-04-04T14:16:21Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.63.24 wp_id=3814;date=2007-01-12 13:11:51-05:00 2007-01-12T18:11:51Z j_duerk@yahoo.com John A. Duerk 131.156.59.93 wp_id=5424;date=2007-01-26 05:20:54-05:00
Lots of love..and gratitude, Gretchen]]> 2007-01-26T10:20:54Z grettysk@aol.com Gretchen 152.163.100.68 wp_id=5457;date=2007-01-26 10:55:22-05:00 2007-01-26T15:55:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=5380;date=2007-01-25 23:12:06-05:00 2007-01-26T04:12:06Z kim@anonymous.disqus.net kim 70.192.16.92 wp_id=53683;date=2007-03-26 05:05:48-04:00 I will post some stuff as soon as I can on my blog about the situation in the US: in Europe, eco-activism will soon rise up too (we have some actions but nothing to compare to what you do in the US: is this proportional to the pollution degree? I guess so in a way!...) In france, we have Corsica in the first to fight for their environment!
The point with eco-activists is that one you see life in green and see all that's not going in the right way for the planet, you feel inside that you could find within yourself so much strenght to fight for your claim! Is this the "green fundamuntalism"...? Not sure. But the point to be made is that such kind od terrorism, if we adopt the view point of the one qualifying eco-activists like that, does not want to kill people, and to save the planet! The day the will succeed in their "fight", be sure they won't call eco-activist "terrorists"!:-)]]> 2007-03-26T09:05:48Z annson14@club.lemonde.fr So-ann 88.163.178.23 wp_id=53684;date=2007-03-26 05:07:09-04:00 2007-03-26T09:07:09Z annson14@club.lemonde.fr So-ann 88.163.178.23 wp_id=5608;date=2007-01-26 20:00:01-05:00 2007-01-27T01:00:01Z karingrinder@hotmail.com Karin 141.154.65.240 wp_id=5614;date=2007-01-26 21:38:46-05:00 2007-01-27T02:38:46Z info@njerisims.net Njeri 24.221.172.89 wp_id=6125;date=2007-01-30 16:29:35-05:00
By the way, I think Barney's name was spelled "Fife".

--Gil]]> 2007-01-30T21:29:35Z anonymized-28003458@disqus.com Guest 24.124.107.247 wp_id=5382;date=2007-01-25 23:17:31-05:00 2007-01-26T04:17:31Z kim@anonymous.disqus.net kim 70.192.16.92 wp_id=6387;date=2007-01-31 11:45:22-05:00
AETA and the New Green Scare
Are You the Terrorist Next Door?
By CHARLOTTE LAWS

I was an ordinary American until November 27, 2006 when I became a terrorist or more accurately what I call a "stand-by terrorist." Perhaps I cannot truly own this newfound nickname until the government decides to prosecute me for word crimes, if that day ever arrives. Until then, I just think of myself as being on stand-by, just as are most--if not all--Americans, whether they realize it or not.

You may wonder how words can amount to a terrorist act in the land of the free and home of the outspoken. It is not widely known, but Congress recently passed legislation called the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (AETA), which can be used to prosecute civil disobedience and speech as "domestic terrorism" when an animal-related business loses profits and property. The Act also protects corporations that pollute and destroy the environment.

You may ask, what does this have to do with me because I'm no nature fan or animal lover? Well, it could eventually have very much to do with you because the AETA"a natural child of the Patriot Act"is likely to be the first of many assaults on the social justice movement in favor of corporations and other moneyed interests. If you think you may want to use your free speech someday to criticize something, anything, then you had better be very concerned.

You should also be concerned about whether law enforcement protects you from the Bin Ladens of the world or fritters away your hard-earned tax dollars investigating pacifists. The American Civil Liberties Union says the FBI uses "counterterrorism resources to monitor and infiltrate (nonviolent) domestic political organizations that criticize business interests and government policies." An FBI special agent recently told me that planting undercover agents at legal, peaceful events"with hopes that they will somehow learn about illegal activities--is a favored tactic of the bureau.

What are the parameters of the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act and who could be tangled in its web, slapped with prison time and branded a terrorist? Could Oprah Winfrey--the beloved and successful talk show host"and her former vegetarian guest, Howard Lyman, be prosecuted as terrorists if they were to repeat anti-beef comments made to Winfrey's 15 million viewers in 1996?

continues>>
http://www.counterpunch.org/la...]]> 2007-01-31T16:45:22Z denni50@yahoo.com Denise 208.31.251.14 wp_id=7049;date=2007-02-03 12:02:26-05:00
By the way, thanks for all you do. I'm a contributing writer to Satya Magazine (see http://www.compassionatecooks.... and http://www.compassionatecooks....), and I really appreciate the all you do on behalf of civil liberties.

All the very best,
Colleen Patrick-Goudreau
Founder & Director
Compassionate Cooks
http://www.compassionatecooks....]]> 2007-02-03T17:02:26Z colleen@compassionatecooks.com Colleen Patrick-Goudreau 75.17.112.127 wp_id=7129;date=2007-02-04 00:39:43-05:00 2007-02-04T05:39:43Z name_withheld@anonymous.disqus.net Name Withheld 76.172.198.87 wp_id=62081;date=2007-05-10 12:59:34-04:00
Many animal "lovers" have set fire to buildings, destroyed people's homes, and yes, they have injured and killed people in the name of saving animals. Why don't you admit that, then move forward with trying to squelch those factions of your movement instead of rationalizing the negatives?

Allow some semblence of reality and common sense to permiate your work. We all love animals. Most are great with A1 or barbeque sauce.]]> 2007-05-10T16:59:34Z gloria_44@yahoo.com Anonymous 71.6.18.3 wp_id=9806;date=2007-02-15 15:36:12-05:00
are you aware of this documentary "Your Mommy Kills
Animals" that is to be released later this year?

it is about the destruction of civil liberties in this
country using AETA and the ARM as the backdrop for
these issues.

http://www.blacknews.com/pr/yo...

excerpt:

Los Angeles, CA (BlackNews.com) - Five African American men (Dennis Banks, Nathan Deal, Earl Easley, John Hamilton and Anthony Simien) from Los Angeles known as Four Corners Capital have stepped into the world of film as Executive Producers. What is unique about these African American men is the film choice they have decided to back, which is starting to pique the interest of various movie industry leaders and film festivals around the world. Among the movie industry's attention to their first project, much talk has been suggested of a 2008 Academy Award.

They are not following a traditional film path of "the hood", "rags to riches", or "church-going" stereotypes. These five young brothers have elected to make others aware of the number one domestic terrorist threat in the United States through the documentary Your Mommy Kills Animals.

Your Mommy Kills Animals was conceptualized and directed by Academy Award-winning Producer/Director Curt Johnson. It takes an in-depth look at the animal rights movement and the FBI's recent declaration; calling animal rights activists the number one domestic terrorist threat to the United States.

Scheduled for a Fall 2007 release, Your Mommy Kills Animals is an overall look at the animal rights movement showing the good, the bad and the ugly in the movement. This film also covers the landmark case against Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty (better known as the SHAC 7) and the resulting conviction, which literally has changed the course of activism in this country. What is even more intoxicating about this film is its social justice argument on "freedom of speech" issues, comparisons to the "civil rights movement," effective protesting measures, and the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) government agency's response to animals after Hurricane Katrina.

Although this documentary delivers arguments from both "Animal Welfare Advocates", as well as, "Animal Rights Activists" the film provides a real examination of:

* What our tax dollars are wasting away on?
* Does "free speech" exist for everyone?
* Are organizations' beliefs true to the core?
* Is profiling being taken to another level?
* Who truly benefits in the animal rights movement?]]> 2007-02-15T20:36:12Z denni50@yahoo.com Denise 208.31.251.14 wp_id=12241;date=2007-02-18 22:07:24-05:00
Even the most conservative people will see the error in this law, so all we really have to do is inform people about it. Use songs, poetry, speaking events, marches, whatever.]]> 2007-02-19T03:07:24Z goskate@email2me.net Jason Lynch 75.134.132.208 wp_id=13540;date=2007-02-20 16:28:43-05:00 I venture to say that this empire will come crashing down, as did all it's predecessors and we must hasten this collapse. We must all take our own roles in this, as individuals and as collective communities of resistance. If our actions are defined as "terrorism" then so be it. At this point we are terrorists either way.]]> 2007-02-20T21:28:43Z evanjames7@yahoo.com Jamison 66.222.38.44 wp_id=15960;date=2007-02-25 01:25:51-05:00 web.mac.com/liviafiercely

Also, there's some sweet kid at the Union Square subway station (that's in New York City, for all you foreigners) who stands there with one of those mini dvd players strapped to his chest showing films like "Farenheit 9/11" and "An Inconvenient Truth." It's not exactly greenscare stuff, but it's pretty effective in getting people who don't even know what environmental activism is to take a look and ask some questions.]]> 2007-02-25T06:25:51Z tinterhook@yahoo.com Lucia N. Tenebrae 69.203.214.17 wp_id=18460;date=2007-02-26 21:24:19-05:00 here is an example of a page with past and future benefits:

http://www.supportdaniel.org/f.../]]> 2007-02-27T02:24:19Z friendsofdanielmcg@yahoo.com jenny 66.108.222.237 wp_id=48096;date=2007-03-20 21:29:50-04:00 2007-03-21T01:29:50Z guuphy1@hotmail.com Jonathan 207.154.78.39 wp_id=53682;date=2007-03-26 04:54:03-04:00
I am French and discovered your blog a month ago! I am working on terrorism for my PhD and as I am an ecologist, I am wondering about the sense of what you call the "green scare" (I understand the meaning, but just in term of concept!): is this the way people in the US consider the ones acting to defend the planet? Is this the way responsibles at the government qualify the same kind of people we are speaking of (as you and me also then!)? And finally, I am very interested by the law on this topic, and what I can seize is that they are trying to adapt the "terrorist" label for eco-activists? Am I write? And if it is the case, I would really worry then!!

PS: sorry for my ackward American English!... But would be very happy to exchange with you on that topic and follow the events through your blog!:-)]]> 2007-03-26T08:54:03Z annson14@club.lemonde.fr So-ann 88.163.178.23 wp_id=54271;date=2007-03-29 00:32:54-04:00 Leave it to the Bu**sh** regime (the real eco-terrorists) to come up with something like this under the pretext of "national security".]]> 2007-03-29T04:32:54Z amtil@netscape.net W. Bruce Bregenzer 67.173.9.120 wp_id=64284;date=2007-05-21 00:09:30-04:00 Rita]]> 2007-05-21T04:09:30Z ritarobinett@hotmail.com Rita 24.166.221.17 wp_id=218759;date=2009-04-30 06:56:41-04:00 2009-04-30T10:56:41Z bds8163@gmail.com Bruce 67.11.12.161 wp_id=233278;date=2009-12-09 22:14:49-05:00 2009-12-10T03:14:49Z rab@anonymous.disqus.net rab 76.124.70.137 wp_id=233343;date=2009-12-11 13:49:12-05:00 Unfortunately, the Obama administration has continued the policies of the Bush administration, even expanding them, rather than make the changes that are needed.]]> 2009-12-11T18:49:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=233624;date=2009-12-16 13:33:49-05:00 2009-12-16T18:33:49Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.213.113 wp_id=33940;date=2007-03-08 13:02:50-05:00
Good luck.]]> 2007-03-08T18:02:50Z kyle@undertheconcrete.org kyle 24.121.104.173 wp_id=34130;date=2007-03-08 16:43:06-05:00 http://www.sierraclub.org/dave.../]]> 2007-03-08T21:43:06Z scglobalwarming@gmail.com sierra 141.156.32.222 wp_id=38995;date=2007-03-12 17:53:22-04:00 2007-03-12T21:53:22Z pcannon@riseup.net Boston! 147.4.208.34 wp_id=55658;date=2007-04-02 17:45:06-04:00 2007-04-02T21:45:06Z alisongself@hotmail.com A 64.83.2.202 wp_id=47965;date=2007-03-20 18:08:03-04:00 2007-03-20T22:08:03Z spottie@spottie.net Michele 206.156.254.4 wp_id=48732;date=2007-03-21 11:00:12-04:00 2007-03-21T15:00:12Z billy@kingwho.com Bill M 209.181.235.160 wp_id=50452;date=2007-03-22 16:55:21-04:00 2007-03-22T20:55:21Z info@njerisims.net Njeri 24.221.172.89 wp_id=52490;date=2007-03-24 13:22:08-04:00 2007-03-24T17:22:08Z leslie_james_pickering@anonymous.disqus.net Leslie James Pickering 72.88.72.40 wp_id=53900;date=2007-03-27 11:36:30-04:00 2007-03-27T15:36:30Z kristen@anonymous.disqus.net Kristen 68.48.181.52 wp_id=54630;date=2007-03-29 19:59:25-04:00 We are so proud of you. Great article]]> 2007-03-29T23:59:25Z s_potter@anonymous.disqus.net S Potter 70.234.249.154 wp_id=54930;date=2007-03-30 17:16:28-04:00 2007-03-30T21:16:28Z info@njerisims.net Njeri 24.221.172.89 wp_id=56636;date=2007-04-08 15:02:50-04:00 2007-04-08T19:02:50Z tofupupland@gmail.com Tofu Pup 76.200.181.229 wp_id=218058;date=2009-04-20 20:47:31-04:00 2009-04-21T00:47:31Z oh.dhoa@gmail.com Dhoa 71.212.86.7 wp_id=59540;date=2007-04-26 20:59:24-04:00
"The striking thing about it is that the surveillance agents use funny gadgets. The most typical are ear phones and ipods or CD players or things of that sort. The surveillance agents walk around with these pretending to be listening to music. But they also use cell phones, lap tops, or have casts on their arms and legs pretending to have injured limbs, or they walk with canes or roll around in wheel chairs. There are bugs and cameras hidden in these, and the ipods are especially used as a communication device. (The news about Apple's spectacular success in the market with its ipods is only a cover for the many surveillance agents wearing them on streets and in metros.) As for the surveillance agents, they range from teenagers through young adults to senior citizens, but the most notable are disgruntled males, since it is especially the economically dispossessed who would take up this job. This is especially the case in North America. The surveillance agents ride in metros and buses, sit in coffee houses, or just walk around the streets. They are everywhere. These amateur agents don't particularly follow the targets of their surveillance, but are simply installed in every corner of the environment in which their target moves about. Although the program is supposed to be classified or things like that, it is actually widely known. This new thing is especially introduced by the Department of Homeland Security. And by now DHS has operations around the world. It has thus brought this program to Europe and Asia as well."

Forget about the FBI; I think the agency that would give you most troubles is Homeland Security.]]> 2007-04-27T00:59:24Z theophoretos@gmail.com Color 164.67.221.223 wp_id=57588;date=2007-04-13 15:29:11-04:00
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...

I apologize if in my mistake I was misrepresenting you.]]> 2007-04-13T19:29:11Z christopher_trottier@anonymous.disqus.net Christopher Trottier 24.86.66.25 wp_id=57604;date=2007-04-13 18:58:22-04:00 2007-04-13T22:58:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.91 wp_id=59367;date=2007-04-25 21:47:15-04:00
Why don't people get it?

I am not a lawyer, but I sent out an email when AETA passed commenting that Martin Luther King, Jr. would have been arrested for injuring the business owners who were boycotted. There is no question that this is potentially the most sinister bit of legislation to come out of BushCo, and that's saying a lot. Please spread the word! (Why does it go through my mind, "First they came for the animal activists, but I wasn't an animal activist, so I remained silent...."

(For anyone's information, here is the original:
"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist - so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat - so I did nothing. Then they came for the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew - so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no one left who could stand up for me."
MARTIN NIEMOELLER, CHURCH DISSIDENT LEADER, arrested 1937, who spent seven years in concentration camps]]> 2007-04-26T01:47:15Z maxwellst@aol.com Lori L. 64.12.116.19 wp_id=61186;date=2007-05-05 21:12:20-04:00
I speak as someone who has been the victim of animal rights terrorist, I have had death threats made to myself and my family. I have had my house vandalized. I had to get an unlisted phone number because of threatening calls in the night. I was told by police to vary my schedule so not to start a pattern, and what was my crime? I am a State Wildlife Biologist.

I don't represent any corporations, I work for the environment and yes I support regulated hunting, fishing and trapping. Myself and my co-workers do more for the environment and the animals that live there in a month than all animal rights groups have ever done!


The AETA does not take away a person right to protest or freedom of speech. Here is what the AETA says on LAWFUL boycotts and freedom of speech.

"`(3) the term `economic damage'--

`(A) means the replacement costs of lost or damaged property or records, the costs of repeating an interrupted or invalidated experiment, the loss of profits, or increased costs, including losses and increased costs resulting from threats, acts or vandalism, property damage, trespass, harassment, or intimidation taken against a person or entity on account of that person's or entity's connection to, relationship with, or transactions with the animal enterprise; but

`(B) does not include any lawful economic disruption (including a lawful boycott) that results from lawful public, governmental, or business reaction to the disclosure of information about an animal enterprise;"

"`(e) Rules of Construction- Nothing in this section shall be construed--

`(1) to prohibit any expressive conduct (including peaceful picketing or other peaceful demonstration) protected from legal prohibition by the First Amendment to the Constitution;

`(2) to create new remedies for interference with activities protected by the free speech or free exercise clauses of the First Amendment to the Constitution, regardless of the point of view expressed, or to limit any existing legal remedies for such interference; or

`(3) to provide exclusive criminal penalties or civil remedies with respect to the conduct prohibited by this action, or to preempt State or local laws that may provide such penalties or remedies.'."


Martin Luther King was fighting for HUMAN rights and he did so in a peaceful manner, I have never read anywhere that he threatened a person's child just because of the job the parent has.]]> 2007-05-06T01:12:20Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.63.24 wp_id=62327;date=2007-05-11 12:46:44-04:00 2007-05-11T16:46:44Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 134.179.104.132 wp_id=62959;date=2007-05-14 18:01:24-04:00 After all, when I see someone speeding on the freeway in their SUV, I just follow them and slash their tires when they aren't looking!
I'm sending a message that excessive fossil fuel use is BAD...and I'm NOT HARMING ANYONE!

PS-I bet you're glad there aren't more people like me.
PSS-I bet you're glad I don't live NEAR YOU!]]> 2007-05-14T22:01:24Z drkmriggs@hotmail.com Kevin R 66.120.114.18 wp_id=62989;date=2007-05-14 20:46:50-04:00
The environmental terrorists are using firebombs as a means of seeking political goals. That is absolutely terrorism. The fact that they aren't killing people means that it's well planned terrorism tailored for American domestic consumption, but it is certainly terrorism nonetheless.

Those self-rightous creeps deserve as much prison as we can possibly give them.]]> 2007-05-15T00:46:50Z jms@anonymous.disqus.net jms 64.81.229.96 wp_id=63012;date=2007-05-14 23:26:34-04:00 2007-05-15T03:26:34Z 1jao@earthlink.net Jim 67.42.181.126 wp_id=63139;date=2007-05-15 15:48:36-04:00 2007-05-15T19:48:36Z sushi@anonymous.disqus.net sushi 163.41.136.51 wp_id=63247;date=2007-05-16 03:22:42-04:00 Terrorism then isn't so bad if that's what it takes to bring the truth out and forces some of us to think. I'm not concerned with buildings, houses, cars, or anything else that doesn't breath. I'm concerned with the living, animals, people, earth!!
By the way I don't like SUV'S either and I think they should all be destroyed!!! You may end up thanking a terrorist someday for destroying yours.]]> 2007-05-16T07:22:42Z cardoso5@yahoo.com gina 75.18.118.21 wp_id=63491;date=2007-05-16 19:37:43-04:00 when I see someone speeding on the freeway in their SUV, I just follow them and slash their tires when they aren’t looking!
I’m sending a message that excessive fossil fuel use is BAD…and I’m NOT HARMING ANYONE!

Do you think they get it? Or do you think that what they're more likely to get are new tires? Have you saved the environment from the SUV's emissions, or have you cost the environment the emissions of the creation of a new set of tires?]]> 2007-05-16T23:37:43Z michael.moriconi@earthlink.net M. Moriconi 208.116.232.47 wp_id=64061;date=2007-05-19 10:13:51-04:00
I agree that quick action is needed to disengage the economy from the path of environmental desruction it is now on. But there are methods other than violence. The most important is to distribute information.

If violence continues, it will just be used by those in power to justify their restrictions on our ability to ditribute information, and we will be worse off than where we started from.

However, clearly it is very wrong to use the terrorism enhancement provisions against people who took great care to not hurt real living people. So, yes, unfortunately those deluded folks who wrongly followed a path of violence should actually go to prison.

However, it is deeply wrong to equate them with terrorists. That essential message is one that nearly all reasonable people will support, and it needs to be gotten out there.

Remember that great photograph from the civil rights movement:"I AM A MAN"?

http://www.afscme.org/about/15...

We just need something that simple, maybe even the same words, getting out the message that those accussed are man (or women) not 'terrorists']]> 2007-05-19T14:13:51Z enigma.foundry@gmail.com enigma_foundry 75.61.55.185 wp_id=130880;date=2007-12-28 09:05:25-05:00 2007-12-28T14:05:25Z justanotherfictionwriter@anonymous.disqus.net JustAnotherFictionWriter 24.136.56.30 wp_id=62953;date=2007-05-14 17:35:59-04:00 2007-05-14T21:35:59Z drew.r.wilson@gmail.com Drew 130.215.27.184 wp_id=64714;date=2007-05-23 07:26:31-04:00 Good bye.]]> 2007-05-23T11:26:31Z ggxyar@msn.com sbkglg 203.223.159.130 wp_id=64893;date=2007-05-24 10:40:40-04:00 2007-05-24T14:40:40Z gamoonbat@yahoo.com Don Thieme 68.155.180.169 wp_id=181750;date=2008-12-12 04:18:46-05:00 2008-12-12T09:18:46Z notonyourlife@hotmail.com James 67.177.27.239 wp_id=65653;date=2007-05-28 13:03:41-04:00 2007-05-28T17:03:41Z stripedcat4@yahoo.com danielle 4.242.210.100 wp_id=64982;date=2007-05-25 00:18:19-04:00 2007-05-25T04:18:19Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 65.30.45.168 wp_id=65147;date=2007-05-25 23:09:27-04:00
AETA (and other similar laws) are terrifying. By branding animal rights activists as terrorists, the freedom of ALL activists is jeopardized.]]> 2007-05-26T03:09:27Z liberalpanda@gmail.com LiberalPanda 172.149.167.173 wp_id=65347;date=2007-05-26 20:37:53-04:00 2007-05-27T00:37:53Z gamoonbat@yahoo.com Don Thieme 72.152.191.94 wp_id=65496;date=2007-05-27 16:04:33-04:00 2007-05-27T20:04:33Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 208.120.63.149 wp_id=65698;date=2007-05-28 17:52:05-04:00 2007-05-28T21:52:05Z citizenp@anonymous.disqus.net CitizenP 24.10.241.147 wp_id=70775;date=2007-06-09 18:49:02-04:00 This thin line between terrorism and activism is absurd, these people didn't kill anyone, they didn't even hurt anyone (other than pocket books). So labeling someone who burns down a building as a terrorist is unfair, especially in a case where nobody was hurt. Calling a non-lethal arsonist terrorists is a very bold statement, and makes things blow out of proportion.
I personally don't know anyone who is terrified that a bunch of hippies are going to hurt them, but i do know a large number of people who are terrified that the U.S. government is going to hurt them. Maybe we should label everything terrorism.]]> 2007-06-09T22:49:02Z pdxcascadian@gmail.com pdxcascadian 71.56.133.230 wp_id=74295;date=2007-06-25 14:32:06-04:00
Why were my comments to pdxcascadian not allowed?

Do you not want the victims of animal rights terrorist to be heard here? If so then no public comment should be allowed.

Thanks,
Joe]]> 2007-06-25T18:32:06Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 134.179.104.132 wp_id=74297;date=2007-06-25 14:42:22-04:00 I don't believe I've ever rejected any comments you've posted. I just checked the spam filter, and I don't see anything in there, either.

Will]]> 2007-06-25T18:42:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=74308;date=2007-06-25 16:01:32-04:00 2007-06-25T20:01:32Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 134.179.104.132 wp_id=71333;date=2007-06-12 11:37:57-04:00 the effects of AETA is to become a political unified voting bloc as described below.

http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/...

I have felt this way for the longest time that people
who care about animals and protection legislation need
to become a political force that will out-muscle all
other interests trying to portray this ever-widening
organized effort as "terrorism".]]> 2007-06-12T15:37:57Z denni50@yahoo.com Denise 208.31.251.14 wp_id=74730;date=2007-06-27 20:42:18-04:00
PETA's letter wasn't on topic; they took a cheap shot. But don't blame PETA (or any other animal group) for the actions of rich, white, old, capitalist men who gain from making animal rights and environmental activists "political lepers."]]> 2007-06-28T00:42:18Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 216.241.207.168 wp_id=74735;date=2007-06-27 21:09:17-04:00 2007-06-28T01:09:17Z vegan47@yahoo.com KCA 68.48.181.52 wp_id=74821;date=2007-06-28 10:52:18-04:00
Jack from PETA's blog wrote a great post about this issue and it's worth a read: http://blog.peta.org/archives/....

Here's an excerpt: "First of all, if you know Michael Moore, you know he can take it. Seriously. The guy is not going to cry himself to sleep because we offered him some diet advice. For anyone who has seen a Michael Moore documentary or read one of his books, you'll know that he doesn't pull punches when it comes to issues he's passionate about, or miss an opportunity to take a potshot at those he disagrees with. Compared with the letters Michael Moore writes (see, for instance, this letter he wrote to the president), Ingrid's letter was incredibly polite."]]> 2007-06-28T14:52:18Z drew.r.wilson@gmail.com Drew 130.215.119.130 wp_id=74825;date=2007-06-28 11:37:04-04:00
I haven't seen Moore's movie, but he has expressed his contempt for animal-related issues in the past. He's never been an ally and calling him on it seems legitimate to me. The same is true for the so-called environmentalists who won't even mention the effects of diet in their spiels about global warming.

I share many values with animal ethics groups and with radical ecogroups and while they may have more in common with each other than either does with the mainstream, there are also fundamental and unresolvable differences between them.
If your values oppose the mainstream's values, power, and profits and you speak out about it, don't expect that mainstream to be your friend, regardless of whether you whisper or shout.]]> 2007-06-28T15:37:04Z p_resinosa2@hotmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.91 wp_id=74845;date=2007-06-28 14:12:48-04:00
Yeah, PETA doesn't always help the animal rights movement, but I'd hardly lay the blame for our leper status at their feet. Bottom line is that we're lepers because (to steal a line from dear old Al, the green meat-eater) our truths are inconvenient. If society accepted that animals are sentient beings deserving of basic rights, then the ensuing changes would be downright unpalatable to most people. Extending the circle of compassion always involves some sacrifices, and unfortunately, people just ain't willing to give up their juicy hamburgers, cheap leather, and trips to the zoo quite yet. That's why we're lepers - not because Newkirk called Moore fat.]]> 2007-06-28T18:12:48Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 65.30.45.168 wp_id=74859;date=2007-06-28 15:54:13-04:00 http://lists.envirolink.org/pi...]]> 2007-06-28T19:54:13Z geoffduggins@hotmail.com Geoff 205.242.74.3 wp_id=74931;date=2007-06-29 03:23:26-04:00
That said, I should hope that if the writers for this blog wish to engage in tactical critique, they would take a more considered approach than merely decrying PETA for failing to be politically tactful.]]> 2007-06-29T07:23:26Z brent_robinson@umail.ucsb.edu BRobinson 72.254.33.228 wp_id=75077;date=2007-06-29 20:20:55-04:00
http://blog.peta.org/archives/...
"I should probably provide a little context to our own relationship with Michael Moore—which goes back a long way. We've written to him several times over the years, starting back in the days of Roger & Me with ever-so-polite appeals to embrace animal rights. We don't hold it against him, but the only response we ever got from him was when his people showed up outside the PETA building with a donkey, two goats, two sheep, a rabbit, a chicken, three dogs, a fish in a bowl(!), a guinea pig, two gerbils, and a rat in a cage "wearing" offensive signs, like “You are wasting your lives.” He arranged to haul these animals out on a hot day to taunt hard-working people just to get a cheap laugh for his show. In addition to that little stunt, whose real victims didn’t even have the luxury of understanding what was happening to them, Michael Moore has made comments throughout his career glorifying meat-eating and hunting, and mocking people who care about animals."]]> 2007-06-30T00:20:55Z annamarie2005@yahoo.com elie 4.242.189.111 wp_id=76536;date=2007-07-05 09:48:36-04:00
But looking at this issue as a member of John Q. Public, PETA's really not helping our cause here. No one knows about Moore's past relationship with animal rights (I'm heavily involved with the movement, and I had no idea), and this whole thing only makes PETA look bad.

The way to win over the hearts of the liberals is not by a seemingly baseless, random, and extremely insensitive attack on the man who brought us Fahrenheit 911.

I love so many things that PETA has done, but they certainly don't make life easier for those of us in the trenches.]]> 2007-07-05T13:48:36Z mcdermot@yu.edu Kristen 68.175.97.65 wp_id=76666;date=2007-07-05 21:51:58-04:00
They push the cause of animal rights back years with their nonsense.]]> 2007-07-06T01:51:58Z belphegor1527@anonymous.disqus.net belphegor1527 69.139.199.82 wp_id=76807;date=2007-07-06 13:24:50-04:00
drawing attention to peta, yes

getting mm to embrace em and make a peta movie, i can think of fewer ways of working to achieve that goal]]> 2007-07-06T17:24:50Z ghh@ftgyj.com vegan 68.161.206.90 wp_id=80998;date=2007-07-21 18:16:25-04:00
If she had suggested he use his skills to support vegetarianism, if she had berated him for not using his skills to help promote the ethical treatment of animals, than that would have been appropriate. But instead, she chose to, in essence, say "you may be successful, but YOU'RE FAT. Lose weight. Here's how."

As a fat person, I cringe at this. No, not because my tender psyche has flashed back to this-one-time-in-grade-school-I-was-called-fat-too, but because yet ANOTHER person (Ms, Newkirk) has made a public statement that it doesn't really matter WHAT a person contributes to society, if that person is fat, than the contribution is meaningless.

How would it be received if a public statement was made that the efforts of PETA would be better received if she gained a few pounds, minimized her facial lines, and augmented her breasts? Perhaps if the statement included information an organic face peel and a vegetarian plastic surgeon, it would then be OK?

Michael Moore can "handle" the letter, I'm sure. But the message now associated with PETA's president is "fat people aren't welcome here."

And after 15 years of support (both financial and in my lifestyle), I got the message, loud and clear. I may be a vegetarian who has donated literally hundreds if not thousands of dollars to PETA, but, hey, I'm still fat. And to Newkirk, that's all that matters.]]> 2007-07-21T22:16:25Z kjmarcotte@gmail.com Kat 74.227.205.28 wp_id=81419;date=2007-07-24 13:49:40-04:00 Want people to help stop AETA, stop picking on them. Putting your foot in your mouth isn't helping the cause PETA. “Although we think that your film could actually help reform America’s sorely inadequate health care system, there’s an elephant in the room, and it is you.” WTF, this is out of the mouth of a grown woman!]]> 2007-07-24T17:49:40Z xbabyxvaderx@msn.com Colleen Chaos 72.85.8.45 wp_id=224775;date=2009-07-15 15:43:32-04:00 2009-07-15T19:43:32Z nativexyouth@riseup.net me 209.191.213.126 wp_id=78310;date=2007-07-12 13:20:28-04:00


http://www.myspace.com/mskitti...]]> 2007-07-12T17:20:28Z tristansmum35@gmail.com Tina 71.220.90.95 wp_id=78317;date=2007-07-12 13:42:49-04:00 2007-07-12T17:42:49Z drew.r.wilson@gmail.com drew 130.215.86.17 wp_id=78989;date=2007-07-14 14:53:20-04:00
Come together with the political prisoner and drug decriminalization groups so you can actually move your issues.

Being divided and conquered is a habit you people have to break
and dell your pals at AAR to get their blog working if you want more netroot support.

http://www.airamerica.com/gove...]]> 2007-07-14T18:53:20Z anon@anonymous.disqus.net Anon 207.237.4.122 wp_id=79971;date=2007-07-17 10:54:36-04:00 xoxo chad /food fight]]> 2007-07-17T14:54:36Z chad@foodfightgrocery.com Chad 76.105.159.2 wp_id=88959;date=2007-08-28 22:11:57-04:00 2007-08-29T02:11:57Z cuica2@yahoo.com Cuica2 69.112.97.23 wp_id=82791;date=2007-07-31 17:43:43-04:00 2007-07-31T21:43:43Z lp187@bard.edu asdffd 71.172.67.220 wp_id=83158;date=2007-08-02 11:38:59-04:00
Thanks for your interest in the article. We'd be happy to fix any inaccuracies, if you'd be kind enough to let us know what they are.

We are very impressed with your site, and we admire the work you do.

Brian Duignan

Senior Editor
Encyclopaedia Britannica]]> 2007-08-02T15:38:59Z bduignan@eb.com Brian Duignan 66.117.177.99 wp_id=82732;date=2007-07-31 10:54:36-04:00 2007-07-31T14:54:36Z rodsandra@gulftel.com Zona 209.102.152.87 wp_id=82954;date=2007-08-01 10:35:02-04:00 2007-08-01T14:35:02Z asfasdf@anonymous.disqus.net asfasdf 71.172.67.220 wp_id=82977;date=2007-08-01 13:12:24-04:00 2007-08-01T17:12:24Z jinxed@cableone.net Tallen 24.116.145.199 wp_id=83012;date=2007-08-01 18:34:50-04:00

*This is not a death threat.]]> 2007-08-01T22:34:50Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 66.108.158.136 wp_id=84517;date=2007-08-08 13:03:24-04:00 2007-08-08T17:03:24Z matthew@anonymous.disqus.net matthew 209.212.80.175 wp_id=84731;date=2007-08-09 22:21:37-04:00
Religion is a touchy subject right now - those who aren't Christian are just Un-American, aren't they? Who do these biologists think they are, teaching & studying a branch of science that for centuries has been a cornerstone of education? It's a very dangerous subject: it implies that humans are some how related to the animal kingdom.

To be read seriously:

Animal-activism promotes equal treatment of all life, we are not "above" the animal life on this planet, we are part of it. Our exploitation of our kinder, gentler brethren will come back to bite us in the end. Example: Christian ideologues who make death threats against professors. Somehow I doubt God, Jesus, whoever is up there going "Alright! Finally some justice for me!"]]> 2007-08-10T02:21:37Z oboe-wan@cox.net lisa 68.224.126.80 wp_id=83667;date=2007-08-04 21:55:13-04:00
They didn't do a great job portraying activists as real people, but rape does happen in all kinds of groups, so we shouldn't pretend it doesn't.]]> 2007-08-05T01:55:13Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 66.108.158.136 wp_id=83669;date=2007-08-04 22:20:28-04:00 http://www.tv.com//infiltrated...]]> 2007-08-05T02:20:28Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 66.108.158.136 wp_id=83761;date=2007-08-05 11:00:48-04:00
It was really good episode because it showed how activists are abused by the police. Olivia ends up sticking up for the environmentalists. She particularly starts to get close to a couple of them and even sympathizes with the cause.]]> 2007-08-05T15:00:48Z tristansmum35@gmail.com Tina 71.220.70.179 wp_id=84364;date=2007-08-07 15:12:13-04:00
DC/Minx Comics had a podcast from SD ComicCon that has a short section about Burnout. This is pretty much word for word what ComicBookResources is quoting.

The interesting part is that DC/Vertigo/Minx editor Shelly Bond calls what the boyfriend's son is involved in "monkeywrenching" and "eco-terrorism". It's funny how the word monkeywrenching gets dropped but not eco-terrorism.

ICv2 has a different write up: "A moral dilemma is also at the heart of Burnout by Rebecca Donner (Sunset Terraces), the story of teenage girl who discovers that her older brother is an eco-saboteur, who spikes trees in order to prevent logging, a dangerous illegal activity that, in spite of its noble ends, can have profound and injurious consequences."

Also Comicbookbin.com has even more:
"Noted author Rebecca Donner (Sunset Terraces) was the literary director of the fiction series at New York’s KGB Bar. For her first graphic novel, she collaborates with Inaki Miranda, one of comics’ rising superstar artists (Fables; The Road to Paradise). In BURNOUT, Danni follows her older, mysterious, soon-to-be-stepbrother Haskell when he sneaks out of the house through his bedroom window and discovers his secret: Haskell is a monkeywrencher. Haskell, it turns out, spikes trees with the intent to stop corporations from what he reverently believes is mass ecological sabotage. It’s a dangerous, illicit activity and it brings the two teenagers together in surprising and dangerous ways. "

Comic Book Bin
http://www.comicbookbin.com/ne...

ICv2
http://www.icv2.com/articles/n...

DC/Minx podcast:
http://www.dccomics.com/media/...]]> 2007-08-07T19:12:13Z geargab@gmail.com Bill McGuire 209.181.235.161 wp_id=85020;date=2007-08-11 16:02:25-04:00 2007-08-11T20:02:25Z cloud_rider@anonymous.disqus.net cloud rider 24.18.5.76 wp_id=88946;date=2007-08-28 21:13:38-04:00 2007-08-29T01:13:38Z kim@anonymous.disqus.net Kim 71.35.157.6 wp_id=85800;date=2007-08-16 00:24:19-04:00 Herbivore, where they describe how Jenny Brown of Woodstock FAS was booed for criticizing the "humane" meat ranchers who bought their way into TAFA, only to see that the Center for Consumer Freedom and the like find such a carni-friendly venue too radical? Frickin' ridiculous.]]> 2007-08-16T04:24:19Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 65.30.45.168 wp_id=85902;date=2007-08-16 13:03:18-04:00 2007-08-16T17:03:18Z fuckyrfalsehoods@riseup.net lauren 71.172.67.220 wp_id=85951;date=2007-08-16 19:36:47-04:00
So... if young people do start blocking bulldozers and the coal companies do lose money as a result, will Al Gore be brought up on the same charges as the SHACtivists? Oh, no, I forgot: Coal isn't an "animal enterprise" so I guess he's safe. For now.]]> 2007-08-16T23:36:47Z pattrice@pattricejones.info SuperWeed 67.142.130.34 wp_id=86369;date=2007-08-19 00:20:20-04:00 2007-08-19T04:20:20Z jajech3@yahoo.com Edwin 75.126.235.226 wp_id=142752;date=2008-03-04 14:42:48-05:00
Activities such as those practiced by the more militant activist groups clearly fall within this definition.]]> 2008-03-04T19:42:48Z definition_of_terrorism@anonymous.disqus.net Definition of terrorism 75.90.174.15 wp_id=142753;date=2008-03-04 14:52:05-05:00
There are a few problems with that reasoning. The Patriot Act expanded and watered down terrorism definitions, as I'm sure you know, as well as rolling back other civil liberties issues, such as sneak-and-peek search warrants.

But even if you think the expanded, Patriot Act-esque definition of terrorism is legitimate, this case certainly does not apply. The activists being labeled as "terrorists" have done nothing to harm human beings: in fact, their great crime according to CCF was working on the same campaign as another activist group. And the great crime of HSUS, in turn, was merely associating with a group that had ties to another group that ran a controversial, but nonviolent, campaign. Can you see the danger of this ever-expanding "terrorism" rhetoric?]]> 2008-03-04T19:52:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=86044;date=2007-08-17 10:44:50-04:00
but seriously. the co-optation of the green scare rhetoric is interesting.]]> 2007-08-17T14:44:50Z mortimer@anonymous.disqus.net Mortimer 138.88.162.26 wp_id=86065;date=2007-08-17 13:18:15-04:00
If the economics don't work, recycling efforts won't either.
As our little contribution to make this economics of recycling more appealing, http://LivePaths.com blogs about people and companies that make money selling recycled or reused items, provide green services or help us reduce our dependency on non renewable resources.]]> 2007-08-17T17:18:15Z lfokp@hotmail.com Luis 201.130.143.206 wp_id=86160;date=2007-08-17 21:56:51-04:00
I wanted to note that the Czech Republic recently banned the Czech Communist Youth Union or KSM. This action by the Czech government constitutes an assault to the entire progressive community--it is not surprising to now hear anti-environmentalist rhetoric coming from such a regime. While it is obvious that not every progressive, environmentally-friendly person is a Communist, it is increasingly obvious that capitalism's priority of profit above-all-else is largely what landed our planet in the Global Warming crisis. From a Communist perspective, it is imperative to shift this priority--there's no way to liberate the working class, no way to share resources, if the planet is poisoned.

Lastly, reactionaries will brand you with any name fit to discredit you if you oppose their policies. The brand of "eco-terrorist" is definitely a convenient one for them to slap us with.]]> 2007-08-18T01:56:51Z johnnyred7.62@gmail.com John Sanchez 207.69.139.149 wp_id=86290;date=2007-08-18 15:21:50-04:00
First, red-baiting activists is nothing new. Civil rights organizers in the South were consistently portrayed as Communist agitators. And, of course, early gay rights activists were the pinkest of pinkos.

Second, in a way, green *is* the new red. Worldwide, environmental NGOs are more and more arguing that environmental problems cannot be solved in the context of existing disparities in wealth. The linkage between these NGOs and the social justice NGOs that have been working against trade globalization probably does represent the most significant threat to capitalism yet. This is more evident in, say, Bolivia than it is here in the USA.

They are, of course, right about the need for radical economic reorientation. Capitalism is and always will be bad for ecosystems. But old-school communism wasn't any better. Like capitalists, Marxists viewed nature as inert matter to be utilized as resources by people. That's why the former SSRs are pockmarked with environmental disasters.

Unfortunately, the new environmental justice movement has not moved far from the old-school viewpoint. Go to any World Social Forum and you will hear activists from all over the world proclaiming a "power to the people" position that assumes that simply switching which people control the "resources" will solve the problem.

This is one reason that those of us who advocate for ecosytems and animals must do a better job of working with and within the environmental and antiglobalization movements. Otherwise, green might really turn out to be the new red, with "the people" treating animals and ecosystems just as dismissively as the capitalists always have.]]> 2007-08-18T19:21:50Z pattrice@pattricejones.info SuperWeed 67.142.130.30 wp_id=86586;date=2007-08-20 00:51:54-04:00 This is a good one! I laughed so hard that I almost pee my pants!
But seriously.... I am sorry to say this but generally speaking;Americans are SUCH a morons!!
I hope next time they also include Cher and The Village People in the conspiracy theory! It can become sooooo campy and a broadway smash!]]> 2007-08-20T04:51:54Z todosomosanimales@hotmail.com Gerardo Tristan 170.140.248.41 wp_id=86770;date=2007-08-20 22:19:37-04:00
From my experience traveling to Poland each summer, item seems that there is a very high awareness of green issues there, and that country suffered much environmental degradation under the communists. For example, Krakow, which has one of the most beautiful old towns in Poland suffered much from pollution from a nearby steel mill. Also, all who were in Poland in April 1986 remeber the Chernobyl accident.

For these reasons, I could never see anyone associating the 'green' movement with communism. It just seems really weird.

My second point is this: if the anti-environmental camp is making this argument, which is so obviously false, they have really gotten very desparate.]]> 2007-08-21T02:19:37Z enigma.foundry@gmail.com enigma_foundry 76.211.87.47 wp_id=87168;date=2007-08-22 17:31:35-04:00 Animal rights activists are non violent and have never hurt anyone. The media portrays them as terrorists with absolutely no evidence and this program would further enhance that myth.
The BBC has a history of bending the facts when it comes to animal rights and to add that bias into a popular 'soap' is nothing less than disgusting propoganda.
Since the ridiculously biased documentary 'Monkeys, Rats and Me' shown last year I cannot take anything from the BBC seriously anymore.
I cannot believe I have to pay my license to fund this rubbish!
I think if the storyline needs a bomber then why not make it a deranged kid gone mad on antideppressant drugs which would be much closer to a true scenario.]]> 2007-08-22T21:31:35Z northerntracey@hotmail.com northerntracey 86.53.55.169 wp_id=87355;date=2007-08-23 11:25:14-04:00 2007-08-23T15:25:14Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 65.112.5.1 wp_id=97483;date=2007-10-02 22:20:37-04:00 2007-10-03T02:20:37Z justin_goodman@sbcglobal.net Justin Goodman 69.177.131.176 wp_id=87957;date=2007-08-25 16:36:35-04:00 2007-08-25T20:36:35Z tristansmum35@gmail.com Tina 71.220.87.33 wp_id=138606;date=2008-02-06 22:22:59-05:00
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http://www.dasofte.com]]> 2008-02-07T03:22:59Z tombrady4451@yahoo.com icentyvisse 89.46.62.2 wp_id=141187;date=2008-02-18 03:14:42-05:00
I was just browsing and came across your site, which I found really interesting. I am involved with the grannies united website and one of the things we are trying to get going is our "green granny" section at http://www.granniesunited.com/.../ . I therefore just wondered if you or any of your contacts may wish to submit an article to the site (focused on the grandmother users). We are really pushing to make the planet better for our grandchildren,

If you don't then no problem and keep up the good sustainability work.

Best wishes
Clare
admin@granniesunited.com
http://www.granniesunited.com/



http://www.granniesunited.com/]]> 2008-02-18T08:14:42Z admin@granniesunited.com clare 90.192.138.175 wp_id=153265;date=2008-05-31 22:10:48-04:00 PermaFrost oil additive for air conditioners is a way to reduce the energy consumption of an AC unit at a low cost at almost a 20 percent reduction. Something like this and many other affordable energy solutions are just the start of ways to promote a greener earth without going to extremes.]]> 2008-06-01T02:10:48Z green_scare@anonymous.disqus.net Green Scare 216.74.244.130 wp_id=94297;date=2007-09-19 07:13:15-04:00 The reason it is not so well known is because they never adopted it, they just said, no, we're not, and let it go.
Other environmental groups, such as the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, a law enforcement organization, acting within the principals of the UN world charter for nature, who send their ships out to try and stop those breaking the law, those who are killing marine wild life for profit, are also called pirates, terrorists, etc. The difference being that they adopt this, and even make it part of their image.
It doesn't take much to be called these names, you just have to stand up and say that what big business or governments is doing is wrong.
It's fucked, to be quite frank.]]> 2007-09-19T11:13:15Z monkey.window@gmail.com Stacey 58.168.187.208 wp_id=132792;date=2008-01-05 19:16:32-05:00 2008-01-06T00:16:32Z melanie@gmail.com melanie 121.216.17.55 wp_id=132804;date=2008-01-05 20:28:43-05:00 Sorry, but I'm not sure what you're saying. I don't know what the UN and the Taliban have to do with any of this. And I don't see any evidence that "if anyone else did it they would be" charged with terrorism. In fact, the opposite is true: environmental and animal advocates have been labeled "terrorists" while right-wing groups who have actually used physical violence escape government scrutiny. Best, Will]]> 2008-01-06T01:28:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=145394;date=2008-03-30 21:58:04-04:00 2008-03-31T01:58:04Z einstien@gmail.com einstien 58.165.217.81 wp_id=207619;date=2009-03-16 00:28:45-04:00
Enjoy.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/envi...]]> 2009-03-16T04:28:45Z pmero@primus.ca Paul 207.112.46.63 wp_id=233923;date=2009-12-23 07:37:20-05:00 2009-12-23T12:37:20Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 72.204.159.234 wp_id=92110;date=2007-09-10 09:49:31-04:00 2007-09-10T13:49:31Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 168.221.143.68 wp_id=209848;date=2009-03-23 01:28:43-04:00 2009-03-23T05:28:43Z nurse41042@yahoo.com Been There 74.129.161.71 wp_id=91799;date=2007-09-08 18:30:06-04:00 2007-09-08T22:30:06Z sss@yahoo.com shane 71.221.90.251 wp_id=92021;date=2007-09-09 21:14:46-04:00 2007-09-10T01:14:46Z gamoonbat@yahoo.com gamoonbat 70.144.254.102 wp_id=93625;date=2007-09-16 22:54:02-04:00 2007-09-17T02:54:02Z hbrolander@mcad.edu Hanna 150.253.91.215 wp_id=92737;date=2007-09-13 11:23:59-04:00 2007-09-13T15:23:59Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net lantz. 67.42.218.146 wp_id=93906;date=2007-09-18 00:18:43-04:00
After all, if a program can be written to analyze writing, the nature of the analysis, if known, can be used to disguise other writings.

I think this will be easier to defeat than most people realize.

It may, of course, having a chilling effect--just because people know it is out there, they may hesitate...]]> 2007-09-18T04:18:43Z enigma.foundry@gmail.com enigma_foundry 76.198.234.163 wp_id=155688;date=2008-06-19 23:32:51-04:00 Rita]]> 2008-06-20T03:32:51Z ritarobinett@hotmail.com Rita 24.166.221.220 wp_id=213668;date=2009-04-01 11:18:19-04:00 2009-04-01T15:18:19Z queenehlana@msn.com Louche 141.161.92.88 wp_id=213670;date=2009-04-01 11:30:51-04:00 Who are you speaking to? If that comment is directed to me, and you think I'm "accusing extremists of terrorism," you couldn't be more mistaken.]]> 2009-04-01T15:30:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=99811;date=2007-10-15 13:48:59-04:00
so, i was perusing the Oregonian yesterday during lunch and saw an interesting article. no, i'm serious. stop laughing. it was an interesting article - at least for awhile. it was talking about how all the things in george orwell's, "1984" have all come into reality and exist in 2007. it started off to be a very informative and fascinating piece until the end when it suddenly turned into propaganda. here are quotes:

"9-11 was real, as the recent videos by Osama bin Laden confirm now more than six years after he attacked us. However, that fact does not allow playing on our fears and increasing our paranoia about our personal safety. Sen. Joseph McCarthy tried that with Communism in the 1950s. The administration has tried to condition the American people, just as Pavlov did with his dogs."

and

"Al-Qaida hates Americans of all creeds and races and will do whatever it can to destroy us and our way of life. James Madison warned, "If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." With the mightiest military and strongest technology on Earth, democracy can stand up to terrorism without becoming the mirror of our enemies."

wow! so, according to the author, not only was 9/11 absolutely real (cause the tv said so. by the way, answers to unasked questions are FABULOUS), but "al qaida" hates americans and wants to destroy our way of life! who would ever want to destroy our life of SUVs, cheeseburgers and reality television?! blasphemy! oh yes, and one other thing, we have the mightiest military and strongest technology on earth. except for china. but we won't talk about that. and hey, let our democracy stand up to terrorism so we don't become "the mirror" of all those useless arabs!

i sat there and sadly laughed to myself. i wonder which governmental agency this guy secretly works for. FBI? CIA? ATF? Al Qaida? who knows. but i figure it's only a matter of time before they start talking about "eco-terrorism" in the oregonian. but i promise, i'll never read it again.

- lantz.]]> 2007-10-15T17:48:59Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net lantz. 65.102.7.36 wp_id=101030;date=2007-10-19 09:53:45-04:00 2007-10-19T13:53:45Z acooney@seibertkeck.com Aurora 69.221.182.35 wp_id=128180;date=2007-12-17 19:13:49-05:00 the Green Party's endorsee, Jon Davidson? Incidentally, the Green Party endorses tougher DUI laws. But in all fairness, it was Mr. Rob Briley himself who quashed Tennessee's eco-terrorism bill. After all,
arson is arson, so why make another law?]]> 2007-12-18T00:13:49Z info@davidsonamp.com Jon Davidson 76.22.236.236 wp_id=130567;date=2007-12-26 21:42:08-05:00 BTW- The Censored 2008 link needs updating or fixing.]]> 2007-12-27T02:42:08Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine 66.108.158.136 wp_id=110123;date=2007-11-10 12:28:24-05:00 These media corporations continue to present the victims of the Green Scare as terrorists now, and then in 100 years they'll be seen as heroes. Just as the Haymarket Martyrs and others. They'll exploit their memory and spin it as something to do with helping the government, it'll be something to the sort of they decided to take the war on terrorism into their own hands and fight against the then corporate environmental terrorists, only to go on to say how great the corporations of that time are and how much more ethical they are.
It's great to be in Amerika, where the actual environmental terrorists sit comfortable in their CEO chairs making millions of dollars and the people who are trying to put an end to this shit are locked up in jail.]]> 2007-11-10T17:28:24Z neurological_perplexion@hotmal.com Jake 69.92.206.64 wp_id=100777;date=2007-10-18 18:05:02-04:00 2007-10-18T22:05:02Z deboradurant@yahoo.com Deb 96.231.67.99 wp_id=100778;date=2007-10-18 18:06:36-04:00 2007-10-18T22:06:36Z karmalily@gmail.com Lily 152.30.255.71 wp_id=121185;date=2007-11-29 14:59:15-05:00
Dissent remains a risky but necessary imperative.]]> 2007-11-29T19:59:15Z lynnalx@gmail.com Lynn 70.44.48.250 wp_id=130323;date=2007-12-26 02:23:46-05:00
But Will, what are the real and potential drawbacks to suggesting that people use myspace to resist the green scare and support defendants? Here are a few resources / thoughts. Keep up the great work.

The ABCs of Fuck MySpace (A Very Rough Draft)
http://www.throughtheconcreter...
and
Does what happens in the Facebook stay in the Facebook?
http://albumoftheday.com/faceb...
and
"the FBI is using MySpace to place spyware on computers."
http://www.greenisthenewred.co...]]> 2007-12-26T07:23:46Z none@given.com friend 69.232.218.73 wp_id=130714;date=2007-12-27 18:40:30-05:00
You're right, there are certainly drawbacks to creating personal profiles on social networking sites like MySpace and Facebook. Some of the primary concerns are privacy (particularly if anyone can view your profile). I encourage everyone to think very carefully about what types of information they put on these profiles, and who may view them.

At the same time, though, MySpace has been, by a long shot, the biggest source of traffic to GreenIsTheNewRed.com. It's a great resource for spreading information to like-minded people. Like any tool, I think its strengths and weaknesses need to be acknowledged. Best, Will]]> 2007-12-27T23:40:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.244.180.142 wp_id=104577;date=2007-10-29 18:00:49-04:00 Hang in there! Your doing a fantastic job.]]> 2007-10-29T22:00:49Z s_potter@anonymous.disqus.net s potter 70.234.229.225 wp_id=109566;date=2007-11-09 14:43:49-05:00
Looks like the Greens will be "recycling" the old dogmas and using the those many rotting corpses as "fertilizer" for many future deaths.

You go Grrrrl!]]> 2007-11-09T19:43:49Z doug.schmitt@yahoo.com Doug Schmitt 74.129.2.81 wp_id=109570;date=2007-11-09 14:59:51-05:00 2007-11-09T19:59:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=113287;date=2007-11-15 15:47:11-05:00 2007-11-15T20:47:11Z bodhimind3@aol.com Frank 69.106.106.212 wp_id=113236;date=2007-11-15 13:28:36-05:00 2007-11-15T18:28:36Z animalblawg@gmail.com Jennifer 141.161.209.82 wp_id=137856;date=2008-02-04 05:02:06-05:00
Thank you for providing such valuable information on this website!]]> 2008-02-04T10:02:06Z eileen@maars.org Eileen McCarthy 71.220.41.89 wp_id=121596;date=2007-11-30 10:35:44-05:00 NYTimes.com article about this man. it didn't mention him attacking other people, just that he shot a feral cat with a .22 rifle. i'll be honest, if he had some proof indicating the cat or other feral cats were killing the endangered plovers, i'd have no problem with what he had done. but since he was clotheslining people on bikes, i think he probably deserves some kind of penalty.]]> 2007-11-30T15:35:44Z mmnch@yahoo.com trailwind 97.97.27.39 wp_id=122347;date=2007-12-01 21:38:14-05:00
The reason for the light sentence is due to the identity of the victims: bicyclists. If he had done it to SUVs he'd have been sent to prison. Bicyclists are equivalent to vegetarians: vermin, unworthy of life.

I used to be a vegetarian cyclist. That's how I know!]]> 2007-12-02T02:38:14Z halcyonfourthtry@gmail.com Halcyon 69.254.39.222 wp_id=141928;date=2008-02-24 22:28:25-05:00
cheers!

UncleNutJob]]> 2008-02-25T03:28:25Z unclenutjob@anonymous.disqus.net unclenutjob 75.139.223.17 wp_id=121262;date=2007-11-29 17:48:29-05:00
“These fucking people are not really all about us not eating duck liver,” snarls Bourdain. “No, no, no. They don’t want us eating any animal product whatsoever.


Guilty as charged.
Steve
- a vegan]]> 2007-11-29T22:48:29Z email_alias1-blog@yahoo.com beforewisdom 66.44.125.225 wp_id=121265;date=2007-11-29 18:01:57-05:00 can suffer, when he can afford to eat anything he wants, when he has the skills to make incredible tasting food out of anything he can get, just so he can enjoy a particular taste and he calls my ilk "terrorists"?

I would call him selfish at the least and a monster at the most.]]> 2007-11-29T23:01:57Z email_alias1-blog@yahoo.com beforewisdom 66.44.125.225 wp_id=121373;date=2007-11-29 22:12:44-05:00
"Oh, you people with your being kind to animals and your respect of life... you make me SICK! Savages! I just want to eat my cancerous duck liver and my tortured cow in peace you TERRORISTS. Why can't I just torture animals for luxury? You people with you sick, twisted, compassionate ways... sickos."

I just made that quote up... But it is a mash-up of all of these idiots saying stuff over time. It's seriously funny.

Anyways, he's right about what I want. I would free a lobster in a second ;-)]]> 2007-11-30T03:12:44Z spasmodica_bdsm@yahoo.com Adrienne 72.77.112.39 wp_id=121630;date=2007-11-30 12:08:57-05:00 http://www.salon.com/mwt/featu...]]> 2007-11-30T17:08:57Z cleahy@cok.net Cheryl 70.21.35.66 wp_id=121668;date=2007-11-30 13:16:59-05:00 It happens to be my own perspective that if you're a vegetarian and claim to care about animal rights but don't adopt a pet in need even if you have the means to, and smoke and drink in excess effectively destroying your own health and potentially the health of those around you, that you're full of shit!]]> 2007-11-30T18:16:59Z ansluasi@yahoo.com Stephanie 170.171.1.5 wp_id=122142;date=2007-12-01 10:23:54-05:00
http://www.vegbang.com/Buzz/An.../]]> 2007-12-01T15:23:54Z info@vegbang.com vegbanger 200.126.216.5 wp_id=122506;date=2007-12-02 13:21:52-05:00 2007-12-02T18:21:52Z jared@anonymous.disqus.net Jared 38.98.88.5 wp_id=122678;date=2007-12-03 00:58:32-05:00 2007-12-03T05:58:32Z ptvchris@yahoo.com Chris 75.184.97.128 wp_id=124122;date=2007-12-06 11:12:51-05:00 2007-12-06T16:12:51Z vegansrbetterthanu@yahoo.com Tiffany Sutton 76.31.73.50 wp_id=124123;date=2007-12-06 11:18:41-05:00
-blake-]]> 2007-12-06T16:18:41Z death_to_affection@hotmail.com XblakeX 68.43.183.240 wp_id=124124;date=2007-12-06 11:19:41-05:00 The fact is, according to popular belief and cultural tradition, vegetarianism, veganism, and animal rights are out of the ordinary and in some cultures viewed as insane.
Knowing this, one can choose a side, either educate people and try to make them understand why what they're doing and what they believe is cruel and unnecessary in modern culture, and show them how to make a positive change. Explain the cruelty associated with the animal industries and work with the government and grassroots orgianizations to try to make change, or the other option is turn guerilla and go underground. Knowing most people don't WANT to change their mind and could care less, one has to turn away from these people and live the life of a revolutionary and bring change by any means necessary.
That's the choice, there is no in between.]]> 2007-12-06T16:19:41Z jetxblack@aol.com XbsX 69.242.95.54 wp_id=124125;date=2007-12-06 11:26:19-05:00 2007-12-06T16:26:19Z scerbs13xx@hotmail.com Charlie 71.125.237.126 wp_id=124148;date=2007-12-06 12:43:02-05:00
And I would stand to protect my friends rights. so you would have to take me with them Anthony.]]> 2007-12-06T17:43:02Z corey@anonymous.disqus.net Corey 68.154.246.218 wp_id=124187;date=2007-12-06 14:59:07-05:00 2007-12-06T19:59:07Z mike@anonymous.disqus.net mike 216.220.216.151 wp_id=124853;date=2007-12-08 01:45:14-05:00 2007-12-08T06:45:14Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.157.202 wp_id=126626;date=2007-12-12 14:06:07-05:00
I think these "guys" (usually the macho men) are afraid that their narrow minded way of cooking is becoming obvious. They only know how to create dishes using dead rotting flesh and don't want to learn and experiment with more humane & healthful proteins.

Regarding Stephanie's comment about animal rights activists are full of it if they smoke or drink, you obviously don't get it. Most Animal Rights people are vegetarians for "moral" reasons. Being a health nut has nothing to do with animal rights, most of them eat free-range animals because it's healthier for them, not more humane for the animal.

Smoking or drinking anything without harming anyone else has nothing to do with animal rights.]]> 2007-12-12T19:06:07Z garbage365@comcast.net MCR 24.14.184.248 wp_id=130883;date=2007-12-28 09:25:10-05:00

MCR with post # 16.

But smoking does hurt others. Secondhand smoke, the cost of medical to prevent death, the cost of cigarettes both to buy in a market and to produce. If a smoker dies of lung cancer the family will often mourn his/her death. Emotional pain, economic pain, and physical damage is present.]]> 2007-12-28T14:25:10Z justanotherfictionwriter@anonymous.disqus.net JustAnotherFictionWriter 24.136.56.30 wp_id=131086;date=2007-12-29 00:29:36-05:00 >While this bit I am still unsure of; I have heard that meat gives >you certain nutrients you just can’t get out of plants.

which nutrients can you only get from meat?]]> 2007-12-29T05:29:36Z bella111112@hotmail.com matt 67.84.157.202 wp_id=131552;date=2007-12-30 23:48:18-05:00 2007-12-31T04:48:18Z millenium_three@msn.com bH 24.9.35.193 wp_id=146631;date=2008-04-09 19:41:22-04:00 2008-04-09T23:41:22Z mwmw@anonymous.disqus.net MWMW 76.86.138.65 wp_id=151295;date=2008-05-16 18:22:28-04:00 2008-05-16T22:22:28Z bea.elliott@verizon.net Bea Elliott 71.122.135.64 wp_id=151598;date=2008-05-20 01:12:18-04:00 Rita]]> 2008-05-20T05:12:18Z rita@anonymous.disqus.net Rita 24.166.221.220 wp_id=166597;date=2008-08-25 21:10:10-04:00 2008-08-26T01:10:10Z badgers4u@hotmail.com Badger 24.18.247.110 wp_id=199543;date=2009-02-18 23:02:25-05:00
But we know that's not true. Just lighten up a little. We don't want PETA pipe-bombing Anthony Bourdain, who is friggin' awesome, by the way.

Peace.]]> 2009-02-19T04:02:25Z millersj2@gmail.com Scott 67.172.199.84 wp_id=223760;date=2009-06-30 20:09:48-04:00 2009-07-01T00:09:48Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 93.107.2.33 wp_id=232914;date=2009-12-04 19:21:49-05:00
Yet perhaps it is indeed all in 'jest;' Bourdain does admittedly look quiet the fool these days with his tight hipster jeans, slick shades (as much of a cultivated personal accessory as Guy Fieri's, who he disparges at every chance) and posey-haughty leather face. And he does seem a man who would apparently gladly dance about for the royality, given the right price and stature.

Just kidding, jeeze.

Or...]]> 2009-12-05T00:21:49Z whey77@letterboxes.org GKC 70.15.28.182 wp_id=232918;date=2009-12-04 19:25:17-05:00
Mostly extremely rich people, dining at very exspensive restaurants, in the form of foie gras pate. I've heard it goes well with shaved truffles & champagne.]]> 2009-12-05T00:25:17Z whey77@letterboxes.org GKC 70.15.28.182 wp_id=234051;date=2009-12-26 20:52:25-05:00 2009-12-27T01:52:25Z stickshok@gmail.com killtheliberals 68.106.37.105 wp_id=132520;date=2008-01-04 07:58:42-05:00 2008-01-04T12:58:42Z greg@anonymous.disqus.net Greg 62.25.109.196 wp_id=132538;date=2008-01-04 10:01:04-05:00 The folks organizing these events feel, and I agree, that it's very important to keep these issues front and center. It seems that the strategy of animal and environmental advocates thus far has been to simply ignore the problem and hope it goes away. In fact, it has only been getting worse. I don't think that highlighting the anniversary of this case is marking a defeat: in my mind it is turning a horrible situation into something potentially positive. Best, Will]]> 2008-01-04T15:01:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=125885;date=2007-12-10 15:15:10-05:00
And of course Jewish people can be cat ladies...what else do you think we talk about over games of mah-jong?]]> 2007-12-10T20:15:10Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 68.167.146.238 wp_id=133922;date=2008-01-11 00:33:40-05:00 2008-01-11T05:33:40Z recruit@nycap.rr.com Christine Jubic 72.226.69.191 wp_id=134059;date=2008-01-11 11:01:43-05:00 That's not true. It has passed the House, but not the Senate. It is pending before a Senate committee. Best, Will]]> 2008-01-11T16:01:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=134681;date=2008-01-14 15:38:20-05:00 not animal labs; human (animal) labs <>
not AETA; HAETA; to prevent attack, destruction, even discussion of above

good luck to US; let freedom ring!]]> 2008-01-14T20:38:20Z pinkisthenewred@anonymous.disqus.net pinkisthenewred 140.211.8.7 wp_id=129848;date=2007-12-23 23:56:09-05:00 2007-12-24T04:56:09Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com matthew 64.233.166.136 wp_id=131875;date=2008-01-01 08:50:49-05:00 2008-01-01T13:50:49Z iwantourrecordsopenednow@msn.com TiredofAmericasBS 208.75.35.194 wp_id=131900;date=2008-01-01 12:54:05-05:00
The new law in New Jersey prohibits companies from using animal testing if an "appropriate, validated and alternative test method" is available. It's unclear how those terms will be used to enforce, or not enforce, the new legislation. I'd imagine that HLS would argue that much of the testing does not have an "appropriate, validated and alternative test method." Remains to be seen, though.

As to your second question, no, I don't think that gathering signatures would subject you to the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. I don't think a prosecutor could (successfully) argue that gathering petitions damages "real or personal property," or that it instills a "reasonable fear." Moreover, I'm assuming the signatures would be used to influence legislators, and they would be the ones to take action: in other words, it would be the legislators who'd be at risk :)
Best, Will]]> 2008-01-01T17:54:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=132837;date=2008-01-06 01:18:34-05:00 If you go to our Horse Slaughter Facts page , page all the way down to the RESTRICTED AREA to see our Anti-Slaughter Yahoo Group TOTALLYCOMMITTED2THECAUSE and also see the WORLD CHALLENGE PETITION we have sent out to all the International, National, State, County and Local Animal Welfare Orgs putting them to the challange to help us organize some peaceful demonstrations to take place on the steps of every capital building in the Nation....
support is growing slow but sure.......maybe WE WILL C U in DC in March! I hope so! I hope 2 b there riding my white horse painted REd for the blood of the horses needlessly and inhumanely killed.]]> 2008-01-06T06:18:34Z recruit@nycap.rr.com Christine Jubic 72.226.69.191 wp_id=141040;date=2008-02-17 01:02:32-05:00
click link to learn more

http://www.freewebs.com/muleki...]]> 2008-02-17T06:02:32Z qarr@nycap.rr.com chris jubic 72.226.69.191 wp_id=132445;date=2008-01-03 22:22:00-05:00 2008-01-04T03:22:00Z eric@ananimalfriendlylife.com Eric 96.237.8.13 wp_id=132486;date=2008-01-04 03:41:06-05:00 2008-01-04T08:41:06Z adam.durand@gmail.com Adam Durand 71.194.212.212 wp_id=132597;date=2008-01-04 17:30:51-05:00 2008-01-04T22:30:51Z citizen_press_revolution@anonymous.disqus.net Citizen Press Revolution 166.70.196.239 wp_id=133144;date=2008-01-07 14:58:12-05:00 2008-01-07T19:58:12Z erika@theissue.com Erika 74.72.204.189 wp_id=135093;date=2008-01-17 12:43:22-05:00 www.larryflynt.com. Hustler having this in their pages also amazed me, but I have read through a few issues my friend has, and I have noticed they have lot's of great articles (once you get through all the great pictures). I’m probably going to drop my Newsweek subscription and pick up a Hustler instead.]]> 2008-01-17T17:43:22Z jtpp99@gmail.com Jon 66.126.24.4 wp_id=135652;date=2008-01-21 19:19:12-05:00
http://www.guardian.co.uk/tech...]]> 2008-01-22T00:19:12Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 76.27.233.4 wp_id=136919;date=2008-01-30 15:05:19-05:00 No, not from what's evident by recent communiques regarding Wachovia Financial being targeted around Orange County to the point of cutting ties with HLS, and most recently the LA Mayor's right-hand woman having her 2 BMWs paint-stripped for allowing the GM of LA's Animal Services to cook the books in regards to false euthanasia rates and other sordid personal issues on our taxpaying dimes!]]> 2008-01-30T20:05:19Z scott.cox@soletechnology.com Scotty Cox 68.225.22.215 wp_id=142066;date=2008-02-26 12:27:07-05:00 2008-02-26T17:27:07Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=135594;date=2008-01-21 11:00:45-05:00 2008-01-21T16:00:45Z beforewisdom@anonymous.disqus.net beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=135603;date=2008-01-21 12:45:33-05:00
Sea Shepherd says that the whalers didn't respond to radio calls (so I guess that would mean they didn't get permission) and Watson argues that there is legal precedent for boarding a ship to deliver a letter of intent (not sure if that's true or not, I don't know much about martime law). Best, Will]]> 2008-01-21T17:45:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=220404;date=2009-05-16 18:50:43-04:00
Held hostage? Please, they could have been executed for what they did.]]> 2009-05-16T22:50:43Z bmarkey1@cox.net Brian 68.13.150.30 wp_id=135894;date=2008-01-23 20:33:20-05:00 2008-01-24T01:33:20Z brian@recreate99.org Recreate99.org 67.166.58.246 wp_id=135963;date=2008-01-24 10:31:41-05:00 www.CommonInterest.info, and welcome "comments" there. It's heartening to see all the anti-war progressives joining the Paul Campaign. He's our only hope, as everyone else has become a sheep, ready for slaughter by the Big Business-Big Government Axis.]]> 2008-01-24T15:31:41Z cfroh@yahoo.com Charles Frohman 68.49.243.244 wp_id=135966;date=2008-01-24 10:43:48-05:00 she is, Obama's supporters say he is, McCain's supporters say he is, and on and on. I think it's shameless to grasp at MLK's coattails with the hopes of winning some political points.

And in the context of this legislation, I think the claims you're making—describing Paul as some kind of savior—are quite a stretch considering Paul did absolutely nothing to stop the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, or even speak out against it.]]> 2008-01-24T15:43:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=136331;date=2008-01-26 17:02:47-05:00 2008-01-26T22:02:47Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.29.192 wp_id=136893;date=2008-01-30 10:58:02-05:00 That's quite a revisionist version of history, to think that MLK wouldn't be targeted as a "terrorist" simply because he was for equal rights for humans. Perhaps you recall how MLK was targeted by COINTELPRO, activists were routinely harassed and beaten by police and white racists, and he was ultimately assassinated. On top of that, "equal rights for humans" was not the generally-accepted, mainstream view it is now. Like all social movements, it started out as a “fringe” element, and my point is that the word “terrorism” is being tosses around against the political fringes.

I wasn't making the analogy to argue that MLK would specifically be targeted by the AETA: rather, the T-word is being used to push a political agenda against the enemy of the hour, and the enemy of another hour was most certainly MLK. However, considering the lunch counter demonstrations of civil rights activists (an animal enterprise), I think a concrete analogy could also be made.

Best,
Will]]> 2008-01-30T15:58:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=190911;date=2009-01-24 23:42:42-05:00
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/...

or this more recently in 1996:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...]]> 2009-01-25T04:42:42Z foxbeauty@tiscali.co.uk Gregory 80.225.216.167 wp_id=136023;date=2008-01-24 16:34:11-05:00 2008-01-24T21:34:11Z matthewstrugar@hotmail.com Matthew 209.212.80.175 wp_id=136029;date=2008-01-24 16:58:06-05:00 2008-01-24T21:58:06Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=136062;date=2008-01-24 21:34:55-05:00 2008-01-25T02:34:55Z jake.i.martinez@gmail.com jake 149.175.207.68 wp_id=136067;date=2008-01-24 22:15:54-05:00 2008-01-25T03:15:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=136156;date=2008-01-25 11:46:54-05:00 2008-01-25T16:46:54Z kim@anonymous.disqus.net Kim 63.224.60.162 wp_id=136917;date=2008-01-30 14:56:17-05:00 2008-01-30T19:56:17Z scott.cox@soletechnology.com Scotty 68.225.22.215 wp_id=136488;date=2008-01-27 20:37:33-05:00 2008-01-28T01:37:33Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 68.116.194.197 wp_id=136609;date=2008-01-28 17:08:44-05:00 Mother Jones and subsequently the OCA.]]> 2008-01-28T22:08:44Z jayme.diane@gmail.com Jayme 158.121.194.149 wp_id=141479;date=2008-02-20 15:23:30-05:00 will also be playing at the benefit concert]]> 2008-02-20T20:23:30Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net anonymous 152.13.186.51 wp_id=140194;date=2008-02-12 11:54:09-05:00 2008-02-12T16:54:09Z cardoso5@yahoo.com Gina 208.120.127.237 wp_id=140325;date=2008-02-12 22:19:22-05:00 2008-02-13T03:19:22Z jimmy@lattitudezine.com jimmy 74.130.213.116 wp_id=140573;date=2008-02-13 20:35:01-05:00 2008-02-14T01:35:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 67.40.200.106 wp_id=141604;date=2008-02-21 21:06:33-05:00 Keep fighting the good fight!]]> 2008-02-22T02:06:33Z scott.cox@soletechnology.com Scotty 68.225.22.215 wp_id=141878;date=2008-02-24 13:59:04-05:00
I understand that prison is a stressful environment, but it's really surprising to hear how much Dirt has changed since he entered prison... Social darwinist, white power, abandoning vegetarianism. That's a lot of changes. I wonder what his thoughts are on his conviction. Does he stand by his action? For the same reasons?

This may lead me to write to him.]]> 2008-02-24T18:59:04Z drew.r.wilson@gmail.com dw 130.215.116.9 wp_id=141889;date=2008-02-24 16:33:50-05:00
I know this is an extreme case, but there are also a lot of right-winger nutjobs out there that have taken, or would consider, environmentally-motivated crimes. So the more I think about this, it makes me wonder: at what point would someone not qualify for support? I'm not disagreeing with the decision to cut support for McIntosh (so don't jump down my throat anybody), just posing the question.]]> 2008-02-24T21:33:50Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=142021;date=2008-02-25 22:14:06-05:00 2008-02-26T03:14:06Z jerry_vlasak@anonymous.disqus.net Jerry Vlasak 71.109.126.200 wp_id=142068;date=2008-02-26 13:06:17-05:00 2008-02-26T18:06:17Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=142080;date=2008-02-26 14:12:45-05:00 2008-02-26T19:12:45Z kris@anonymous.disqus.net Kris 90.224.124.231 wp_id=142112;date=2008-02-26 18:50:00-05:00
In more general terms on the subject at hand, those who will oppress women, those of a different race or ethnic background, what-have-you, are of the same mindset that allows the oppression, exploitation, and murder of non-human animals. Racism, sexism, and speciesism are all related, and all of us opposed to oppression should stand together to fight those who would deprive others of their rights to live free.]]> 2008-02-26T23:50:00Z jerry_vlasak@anonymous.disqus.net Jerry Vlasak 12.35.200.126 wp_id=142207;date=2008-02-27 18:02:26-05:00
After the information provided by Ferguson and Meyerhoff, pretty much the one thing the FBI knew for sure were the names of the individuals. There may have been a lot of details about various actions that investigators were unclear on, but who participated in which action was pretty much firmly established by the time Meyerehoff had finished talking. Keeping silent on names is noble, to be sure, but in this instance it was probably of only limited use.

By comparison, Thurston chose to name names in his co-operation agreement, and has received a lot of vilification for it. Perhaps Thuston gets singled out more than the others (at least it seems that way) because of his long history in direct action -- he'd already done time for a live liberation action and was the vicitim of attempted entrapment and all sorts of police malfeasance in Canada prior to his 2005 arrest. Thurston, of all the green scare defendants (with the possible exception of Jonathan Paul), had the most experience with arrest and detention. So, why did he choose to give names?

Obviously, not being Darren Thurston, I can't say for sure, but i do know this. At the time Thurston accepted his plea (he was the last of the naming defendants to do so), the names of all involved in everything were out on the table. Spilling that information was certainly not going to make anything worse for anyone involved. Thurston, did, however, strike a plea agreement that allowed him to hold back other, potentially more important information. As part of his agreement, Thurston was not obliged to divulge any information on any activity that happened in Canada. I suspect that if he had reversed his priorities -- not named names but divulged information on his actions north of the border -- he would be lauded as a hero, but a lot of people in Canada might be in jeapordy as investigations up there got re-opened on the merit of Thurston's self-implicating information.]]> 2008-02-27T23:02:26Z padma@example.com Padma 207.148.161.30 wp_id=142300;date=2008-02-28 16:39:19-05:00
Or he could have just kept his fucking mouth shut altogether. What a concept! Enough of the apologist attitude for those who have betrayed others; if you've ever sat through a trial, its apparent how the evidence given by snitch after snitch, even if repetitive, adds up to either a guilty plea or a conviction against those warriors brave enough to keep silent.

Virtually 100% of convictions, imprisonment and executions come about either because: (1) the action is committed by someone with direct ties to the crime, such as violence by family members or acquaintances against their own (2) diarrhea of the mouth, in which one brags about ones deeds or is snitched on by a former comrade (the current case) or (3) getting caught in the act (extremely rare). Leaving behind large amounts of forensic evidence would probably fall into this category as well.

Conviction rates that do not involve one of the 3 situations above, even for major crimes such as murder, are less than 25%, and much lower for lesser crimes. Of literally thousands of animal and earth liberation illegal direct actions committed over the last 2-3 decades, only a handful of people have ever been imprisoned for any serious length of time.

An excellent read on this is "Beat the Heat", available from almost any online bookstore, or through the Animal Liberation Press Office.]]> 2008-02-28T21:39:19Z jerry_vlasak@anonymous.disqus.net Jerry Vlasak 71.109.119.206 wp_id=142745;date=2008-03-04 13:27:36-05:00
“If someone is killing, on a regular basis, thousands of animals, and if that person can only be stopped in one way by the use of violence, then it is certainly a morally justifiable solution.”
— Jerry Vlasak on "Penn & Teller: Bullsh*t!" (Showtime cable network), Apr 2004


“I don’t think you’d have to kill -- assassinate -- too many ... I think for 5 lives, 10 lives, 15 human lives, we could save a million, 2 million, 10 million non-human lives.”
— Jerry Vlasak at the "Animal Rights 2003" convention, advocating the murder of doctors whose life-saving biomedical experiments require the use of animals,


“If someone is killing, on a regular basis, thousands of animals, and if that person can only be stopped in one way by the use of violence, then it is certainly a morally justifiable solution.”
— "Penn & Teller: Bullsh*t!" (Showtime cable network), Apr 2004



“I don’t have any doubt in my mind that there will come a time when we will see violence against animal rights abusers.”
— Jerry Vlasak on "Penn & Teller: Bullsh*t!" (Showtime cable network), Apr 2004]]> 2008-03-04T18:27:36Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=142764;date=2008-03-04 17:28:34-05:00
No oppressor ever relinquishes their power voluntarily; every successful liberation struggle has required the use or threat of force to effect change. I wish it were different, but the struggle to save our ecosystems and halt animal exploitation is a comparable struggle to others for liberation, both historical and concurrent.

I'm not sure what Joe does for the environment, but as long as he isn't exploiting that or the animals for personal gain or pleasure (such as do vivisectors, hunters, fur farmers, foresters, etc.) then more power to him.]]> 2008-03-04T22:28:34Z jerry_vlasak@anonymous.disqus.net Jerry Vlasak 66.194.2.9 wp_id=142840;date=2008-03-05 13:02:48-05:00
As a wildlife Biologist I have protected lands from development, caught polluters, protected endangered species. I also support regulated hunting and set seasons and bag limits based on data collected during the year. I also have been a victim of animal rights terrorist who have threatened to kill me and my children because I support hunting.]]> 2008-03-05T18:02:48Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=143119;date=2008-03-09 04:21:50-04:00
As a clinician, I can assure Joe that wasting money killing animals in laboratories will not lead to cures for his beloved race...er, species. I do have one question for the "biologist"; who regulated all these animal populations in the billion (at least) years before his almighty species came along with their firearms and leghold traps? Or did the world begin 10,000 years ago with Adam and Eve?]]> 2008-03-09T08:21:50Z jerry_vlasak@anonymous.disqus.net Jerry Vlasak 67.49.163.98 wp_id=143242;date=2008-03-10 17:32:28-04:00
As for you being a "clinician" I pity any who may seek your care, for they will be doomed to die because you have no idea about cures or procedures found using animal testing. Here is a short list of those in case you forgot. Kidney transplants,Polio vaccine,Replacement heart valves,Hip replacement surgery,Drugs for high blood pressure ,Heart bypass operations,Drugs to treat mental illness,Rubella vaccine ,Chemotherapy for leukemia,Drugs to treat stomach ulcers,Inhaled asthma medication ,Drugs to control transplant rejection,Life support systems for premature babies,Hepatitis vaccines,Treatment for river blindness,Meningitis vaccine,Combined drug therapies for AIDS and Drugs for breast and prostate cancer.Any of these look familiar Jerry or did you miss that day at medical school?

Humans have been regulating animal species long before the firearm was invented. To answer your question Jerry nobody regulated species before man evolved, they were for better or worse self regulating. In recent years it has become necessary because of mans encroachment into wildlife habitat. That statement may sound like I support your cause..I don't. I don't belive we (man) should develop more wild lands but I don't believe in arson either. I use my job to find reasons to stop a development legally and have done so on many occasions. What have you done to save a habitat from development?]]> 2008-03-10T21:32:28Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=141993;date=2008-02-25 15:17:15-05:00 2008-02-25T20:17:15Z wertz.brett@gmail.com bw 205.155.72.125 wp_id=142016;date=2008-02-25 20:54:20-05:00
It's pretty easy to find more information; it's in the same article you chopped in half.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.c...]]> 2008-02-26T01:54:20Z you_dont_have_more_info@anonymous.disqus.net You don't have more info? 67.180.193.114 wp_id=142018;date=2008-02-25 21:20:10-05:00 2008-02-26T02:20:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=142319;date=2008-02-28 19:19:07-05:00 Some commenters are already convicting the students of crossing a line and physically attacking a scientist during a 'home visit.'
Others are claiming that a legel demo happened at the scientist's house, and that the assault claims are bogus.
Others chose to take the middle ground assumption, that perhaps some of the activists crossed a line and began knocking on the door, and that the scientist or his wife came out and attacked the protestors. (The 'victim' claims minor hand injuries.)
'Proof' for any of these scenarios rests in the testimony of the homeowners and the activists. Those of us watching this incident unfold frombehind computer screens may never know what really happened.
Apparently there are not even photos of the legal demo, and this is something that has led people to accuse the activists of trying to hide something.
One commenter even tried to blame Peter Young for the whole fiasco, by pointing out that Young was one of the 20 or so people that arrived to witness the police raid, that Young had given a speech the night before and that Young's taste in music (Vegan Reich) was proof that he wanted the animal rights movement to escalate it's tactics.
Young responded by saying the commenter could either be a cop or a vivisector.
Local police have called in the FBI and as of yet no charges have been laid and according to the media, no suspects are being declared in the 'home invasion.'
What I don't see getting enough attention in all this is that regardless of whether an assault occured, the police and SWAT team came out in full force to raid the home of these activists because the suspects in the home invasion wore bandanas, and as we all know, protestors also were bandanas.
The media further vindicated the police action by noting that the 20 or so people who witnessed the raid were also wearing bandanas.
At the same time, ask yourself, when the police respond to a rape or a shooting on a native reservation, do they send that many cops? The answer is, they don't often even bother to investigate crime on reservations.
Two weeks ago I was sleeping in a tree platform at a protest that everyone knew was peaceful and legal. I woke up to over 50 cops, some of them with assault rifles, some with dogs, and a team of climbers, ready to remove me from the tree. It's been estimated that almost 300 cops took part in an operation to remove three of us from tree platforms.
I look at the pictures of the Santa Cruz raid and I see the same kind of overkill.
Some people still don't believe we live in a police state.
Try standing up for the environment or animal rights and you'll see otherwise.
Another case of dissent being squashed has begun to unfold in Santa Cruz, and in the coming weeks we will see people in our own movement seeking to discredit others who have not even been charged with a crime.]]> 2008-02-29T00:19:07Z kalanubuffalo@yahoo.com Kalanu 66.183.11.233 wp_id=142646;date=2008-03-03 13:15:08-05:00 http://www.indybay.org/newsite...]]> 2008-03-03T18:15:08Z bgq201@nyu.edu banu 145.116.11.33 wp_id=142894;date=2008-03-06 00:49:49-05:00
http://www.youtube.com/v/eRmuj...]]> 2008-03-06T05:49:49Z ramognino@gmail.com Stewart 166.70.54.115 wp_id=142085;date=2008-02-26 14:59:27-05:00 "I’m highlighting this on GreenIsTheNewRed.com because using RICO was one of the earlier waves of attacks against animal rights activists, before corporations and the government used 'animal enterprise terrorism' charges"
I do hope you are not equating CAIR with animal rights activists.]]> 2008-02-26T19:59:27Z jimkach@gmail.com Jim 216.204.18.2 wp_id=142089;date=2008-02-26 15:15:59-05:00 No, I'm not equating anything. But I do think it's important to see how fluid these tactics are becoming, and learn from how the government is approaching these cases. Best, Will]]> 2008-02-26T20:15:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=142214;date=2008-02-27 18:58:27-05:00 2008-02-27T23:58:27Z roseray@greenconsciousness.org Greenconsciousness 70.226.161.242 wp_id=142872;date=2008-03-05 20:24:55-05:00 2008-03-06T01:24:55Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=142936;date=2008-03-06 10:19:43-05:00 Thanks for the comment. There are dozens of definitions of terrorism in use by various agencies, but one common thread is the use of violence to instill fear and affect conduct. I don't think crimes like this meet those qualifications:
*They may be extreme but have not harmed anyone (and in the past, precautions have sucessfully been taken to make sure that they do not harm anyone)
*The purpose, which is clear from the communiques and press statements, is not to instill fear or change government conduct. Quite the contrary, it is simply to use economic sabotage: not going after people, but going after profits.
Best, Will]]> 2008-03-06T15:19:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=142943;date=2008-03-06 13:38:59-05:00
What do you think/know about Wesley J. Smith? His blog postings infuriate me, mostly for his opinions but also because his journalistic integrity is lacking. After Edythe London's front door was charred, his blog had a picture of a house engulfed in flames. I assumed it was hers. Only days later did I realize it wasn't. I called him on it, and he said it was a stock photo.]]> 2008-03-06T18:38:59Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.144.235.77 wp_id=143070;date=2008-03-07 21:24:39-05:00
But I have to admit, I love hearing stories about ELF destroying property, honestly, it's so courageous, especially in this time of fear mongering, although we may never know for sure who set the fire. They apparently are not going to investigate anything other than eco-terrorism, the lazy bastards.]]> 2008-03-08T02:24:39Z garbage365@comcast.net MCR 24.14.184.248 wp_id=143320;date=2008-03-11 10:46:49-04:00 http://youtube.com/watch?v=e5W... so check it out and also check out our other episodes that talk about other environmental issues. Don't forget to check out our website at TitanTv.com to see all our shows and news.]]> 2008-03-11T14:46:49Z santiagom1124@gmail.com TitanTV 38.104.66.118 wp_id=143322;date=2008-03-11 10:57:24-04:00
Thanks for the comment, but video clip you linked to really misses the point about all of this. The host said, "How can we save the Earth, and stop the terrorists, when they're, like, the same thing?" It's sad to see environmental groups swallowing the "terrorism" rhetoric just as easily as the mainstream press.]]> 2008-03-11T14:57:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=142940;date=2008-03-06 12:32:03-05:00 2008-03-06T17:32:03Z beforewisdom@anonymous.disqus.net beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=142984;date=2008-03-06 21:28:02-05:00 2008-03-07T02:28:02Z mstrugar@ccr-ny.org matthew 72.227.130.56 wp_id=143036;date=2008-03-07 12:16:16-05:00 2008-03-07T17:16:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=143281;date=2008-03-11 03:33:18-04:00
anyway, thanks again for venturing southward.]]> 2008-03-11T07:33:18Z james@anonymous.disqus.net james 24.174.72.141 wp_id=143310;date=2008-03-11 09:38:16-04:00 2008-03-11T13:38:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=142981;date=2008-03-06 20:07:23-05:00 2008-03-07T01:07:23Z gamoonbat@yahoo.com Don Thieme 70.145.46.148 wp_id=143104;date=2008-03-08 15:41:40-05:00 2008-03-08T20:41:40Z bob@hotmail.com Bob 66.172.106.174 wp_id=143117;date=2008-03-09 01:14:31-05:00 2008-03-09T06:14:31Z kenny.torrella@gmail.com Kenny 69.244.72.192 wp_id=155960;date=2008-06-21 15:54:44-04:00 please do us all a favor and go "terrorise" another blog site will yah?
Why is it that haters have nothing better to do than submit their tasteless comments on sites that are not meant for them?
And you want to talk about criminals, how about George W. Bush? It is now almost certain that he committed egregrious war crimes and will get off the hook for it? And yet we're made to suffer for it...
Fall in line with those sheep Bob, baaa-baaaa -]]> 2008-06-21T19:54:44Z josephcox1@cox.net Scott 72.219.132.188 wp_id=143332;date=2008-03-11 14:54:28-04:00 http://www.wxyz.com/news/story...

http://www.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.d...]]> 2008-03-11T18:54:28Z kevin@anonymous.disqus.net kevin 144.92.96.73 wp_id=143373;date=2008-03-11 19:29:07-04:00 http://www.midwestgreenscare.o.../

As stated previously we have confirmed Marie is being held in the Butler County Jail pending transfer to Michigan. We have no idea how long she will be held there but we are encouraging folks to send her letters of support. Her address as well as the Jail mail rules are listed below.

If you send Marie a letter and it gets returned to you, please let us know about it (contact us at freemarie(at)riseup.net) so we can add any other restrictions to the guideline list. When writing please use your common sense; don’t write about anything that is likely to get a prisoner in trouble in any way. Avoid discussing any details of her case and/or any potential charges against her.

Please do NOT send in any books/zines to Marie yet. We are in the process of getting a system going for her to receive books. If you would like her to receive books we would prefer you donate money. We will be releasing a list of books Marie would like in the very near future.

When writing Marie, Do NOT ever write “legal mail” or anything implying that you are an attorney unless you are.

MARIE MASON #134001
Butler County Sheriff’s Office & Correctional Complex
705 Hanover Street
Hamilton, Ohio 45011

http://www.butlersheriff.org/d...;

Incoming Mail

*Letters addressed to inmates will be opened and inspected for contraband before being delivered to the inmate.

*Legal mail from attorneys, courts, etc. shall be opened in the presence of the inmate and checked for contraband by the staff member.

*Staff members shall only check for contraband and not read the letters. Staff members shall not delete, black-out any portions, or withhold any incoming prisoner letters, except where such restrictions are clearly necessary to the maintenance of the order and security of the jails.

*Material determined to be obscene shall not be forwarded to the inmates.

*Decisions to withhold, read or censor any incoming prisoner mail must be made by a supervisor.

*All contraband will be disposed of properly or secured as evidence depending on the nature. The Butler County Sheriff’s Office may then turn all evidence over to the Criminal Investigations Unit for possible subsequent prosecution.”]]> 2008-03-11T23:29:07Z freemarie@riseup.net freemarie 71.72.205.68 wp_id=143340;date=2008-03-11 16:13:44-04:00 2008-03-11T20:13:44Z matthewstrugar@hotmail.com Matthew 209.212.80.175 wp_id=143347;date=2008-03-11 16:53:44-04:00 2008-03-11T20:53:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=143445;date=2008-03-12 15:32:13-04:00 2008-03-12T19:32:13Z ann@anonymous.disqus.net Ann 35.10.156.13 wp_id=143446;date=2008-03-12 15:39:43-04:00 2008-03-12T19:39:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=194904;date=2009-02-05 23:04:59-05:00 Genetically modified crops that are on the agriculture market are perfectly safe. You people dont like it because you don't undersand it. MSU is one of the top international outreach publc university in the country. Stem cell research is a totaly differnt level that can not be compared to improving a corn plants resistance to RoundUp.]]> 2009-02-06T04:04:59Z hegi1@msn.com ryan 76.20.139.53 wp_id=144076;date=2008-03-18 18:32:24-04:00 2008-03-18T22:32:24Z leslie_james_pickering@anonymous.disqus.net Leslie James Pickering 72.88.117.201 wp_id=143378;date=2008-03-11 19:53:02-04:00 Anyone else still believe this isn’t political?"

right on Will!]]> 2008-03-11T23:53:02Z gmazur414@hotmail.com Greg 69.250.211.13 wp_id=143453;date=2008-03-12 17:22:57-04:00 http://www.commondreams.org/ar.../]]> 2008-03-12T21:22:57Z ansel@riseup.net Ansel 24.174.11.24 wp_id=143535;date=2008-03-13 11:52:57-04:00 2008-03-13T15:52:57Z jill@anonymous.disqus.net Jill 71.59.242.183 wp_id=143539;date=2008-03-13 13:06:55-04:00
If Watson was shot I'm sure he brought it on himself!]]> 2008-03-13T17:06:55Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 134.179.104.132 wp_id=143542;date=2008-03-13 13:20:05-04:00
Joe: That's a very interesting comment, supporting shooting people, considering the recent back and forth you've been having with Jerry Vlasak on this website, condemning him for his stance on property destruction and violence.]]> 2008-03-13T17:20:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=143544;date=2008-03-13 14:42:19-04:00 2008-03-13T18:42:19Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 134.179.104.132 wp_id=143561;date=2008-03-13 17:19:02-04:00 Joe, you're a jackass.
"I don’t support shooting people Will, but I beleive one should be able to protect themself. "
And then you went and made a bigger jackass of yourself. This is the point where you say that women who wear skimpy clothing are asking to get raped, but make sure that we know you don't support rape, you just think those girls should have been able to protect themselves.
Wait...now I look like a jackass for comparing Paul Watson to a rape victim. I would hate...hate to see him in a skimpy dress.]]> 2008-03-13T21:19:02Z joes_mother@anonymous.disqus.net joe's mother 65.96.163.234 wp_id=143562;date=2008-03-13 17:22:15-04:00
I do see where you've copied your post from though.
http://www.discoverthenetworks...]]> 2008-03-13T21:22:15Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.124 wp_id=143569;date=2008-03-13 19:41:34-04:00
I have worked on fishing vessels as an observer, and trying to board a vessel without permission is just like someone trying to force their way into your house.]]> 2008-03-13T23:41:34Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=143663;date=2008-03-14 13:39:09-04:00 2008-03-14T17:39:09Z tom@anonymous.disqus.net Tom 67.183.63.96 wp_id=143669;date=2008-03-14 15:23:14-04:00 2008-03-14T19:23:14Z amy@seashepherd.org Amy 64.91.53.216 wp_id=143793;date=2008-03-15 20:13:52-04:00 2008-03-16T00:13:52Z jimmy@lattitudezine.com jimmy 74.130.213.116 wp_id=143798;date=2008-03-15 22:14:56-04:00
"Watson believes in coercive conservation, and for several decades he has been using his private navy to ram whaling and fishing vessels on the high seas. Ramming is his signature tactic, and it is what he and his crew intended to do to the Japanese fleet, if they could find it."


Get YOUR facts straight!]]> 2008-03-16T02:14:56Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=143809;date=2008-03-16 04:10:38-04:00
Paul Watson is my hero! He puts his life on the line to protect all sorts of animals. I wish him luck fighting the horrid sealers in Canada soon.]]> 2008-03-16T08:10:38Z cynthia@cynthiahodges.com Simone deMontfort 70.59.154.106 wp_id=143953;date=2008-03-17 18:04:24-04:00
Why not include this quote from the same NY Times article? "The two ships were close enough to collide, but Watson had instructed Cornelissen to delay the ship, not to ram it."

Or this one, “We’re not going to ram the Nisshin Maru, but we will obstruct any whaling activities that we come across,” he said. “I will not watch a whale die. I’ve not seen a whale die since I left Greenpeace, in 1977. When we show up, whales don’t die.”

Or "On several occasions, he has demanded to be charged for sinking or ramming vessels, and he has even flown to a country that is considering his arrest. Watson says the ploy works because his adversaries fear that he will use the courts to publicize their own wrongdoing. But he has also claimed responsibility for damage to ships that in fact was caused by accidents or by other activists. “Let me just give you a warning about Paul,” an anti-whaling conservationist told me. “He takes credit for more than he’s due.” (By Watson’s count, Sea Shepherd has sunk ten whaling vessels in port. By my count, he and his crew have attempted to scuttle two vessels and have successfully sunk two others.)"

And is there something illegal about being photographed with a gun? Are you pro gun control? That surprises me coming from someone who gets his words from that website.

I may be an Eco Facist (whatever that is), Tom, but I can't imagine a more ecofascist attitude than to consider yourself superior to every other species of life on the planet and imagine they're yours to do what you want to/with.]]> 2008-03-17T22:04:24Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.129 wp_id=182555;date=2008-12-19 23:34:06-05:00 2008-12-20T04:34:06Z steve@anonymous.disqus.net Steve 68.205.250.105 wp_id=183596;date=2008-12-26 22:58:41-05:00
The man was not shot by anyone on that factory ship, period. To claim otherwise is absolutely childish. If you don't want the Japanese to whale then abide by law, sue them, etc etc. Even if they had shot this man, they were within right. They had absolute reason to believe that this group would be willing once again to illegally board that ship. Under international maritime law (what there is of it) you are absolutely allowed to defend yourself and you ship with force.

These Sea Shepard children made 2 passes BEFORE the Japanese did anything to try to stop them. I see nothing wrong with the whalers actions in this case. Sea Shepard including their ego maniacal leader should be prosecuted, curiously one of their home ports is not so far from me. I'm curious to see what, if anything, I can do about these foolish, immature, childish people. In the end I hope no one gets hurt. I think they are quite lucky they haven't gotten themselves killed playing around as they do in a rather harsh climate.]]> 2008-12-27T03:58:41Z kb_720@hotmail.com ShiftyDevil 98.111.86.120 wp_id=183650;date=2008-12-27 05:39:19-05:00 On the season 1 finale, Watson made false accusations against the whalers, claiming that they shot him in the chest with a rifle. This would be quite criminal if he were not in international waters. How pathetically desperate a move. If it was not obvious to you that he had faked the whole event...then there is no point in my attempting to enlighten you, for you are obviously an ignorant fool or fanatic that will not listen to reason, logic or the truth regardless of how it is presented. I'm not so much dogging his use of falsely accusing his adversaries of attempted murder to help his cause (His cause might be quite noble indeed, I myself am ignorant of the facts surrounding whaling or whales) as I am dogging his horribly pathetic attempt at doing so. Having failed so miserably at providing evidence of this false accusation yet believing that he had, this "Watson" is obviously not a very intelligent man, which alone would make me question my support of him. I would be so very embarrassed for him if I were one of his supporters, one of his crew members, or the man himself.
How sad.]]> 2008-12-27T10:39:19Z gr0undzer0@anonymous.disqus.net Gr0undZer0 67.165.44.76 wp_id=183654;date=2008-12-27 05:53:16-05:00 Logic: Try to follow and grasp the concept.
Any of you who support anti-whaling activities do so why? Because you believe that the whales life is somehow akin to ours (humans), in that it is precious and they perhaps have "souls". How do you determine this? If you are to think in such a manner then you can not discriminate against any other living creatures, for there is no defined line that clearly separates whales from any other living creature in as it's potential of having a "soul". (I do make some assumptions here as to why you all support anti-whaling activities).
The point I'm getting at here is that if any of you use products or consume products that are created from the destruction of any living animal, (eat meat, use leather, oils fats from animals) then you are hypocrites and fools. Unless you are a strict Vegan then you are no better than are the whalers!!! Period!! :::sighs:: "Fanatics and the Mob, What pathetic and wasted souls" -me]]> 2008-12-27T10:53:16Z subgr0undzer0@anonymous.disqus.net SubGr0undZer0 67.165.44.76 wp_id=184273;date=2008-12-30 18:53:57-05:00 2008-12-30T23:53:57Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 71.227.209.91 wp_id=185043;date=2009-01-03 20:29:07-05:00 I'm taking my own "extremist" stance here in that EVERY eco-terrorist organization or individual is motivated out of sheer selfishness. They resort to adolescent behavior not for want of saving the trees, whales, snails et al. but rather to tell us, i.e. you and ME, what to do! They are so marginalized and insignificant in true terms they can't stand being ignored as the pariahs they truly are. So, they take up their banner or whatever the cause of the day is and ban together to make a point. And the point is they want a seat at the table that matters but are destined to always remain at the kiddie table.
And that's the way it is!!!]]> 2009-01-04T01:29:07Z jj@anonymous.disqus.net JJ 24.155.76.199 wp_id=185050;date=2009-01-03 21:28:07-05:00 2009-01-04T02:28:07Z reactionmx@riseup.net vjhd 85.89.189.241 wp_id=185242;date=2009-01-04 16:19:22-05:00 2009-01-04T21:19:22Z jj@anonymous.disqus.net JJ 24.155.76.199 wp_id=185829;date=2009-01-07 14:29:22-05:00 2009-01-07T19:29:22Z anne@anonymous.disqus.net Anne 24.118.180.174 wp_id=190138;date=2009-01-20 21:56:51-05:00 If he truly would have supported them while alive, I would lose all the respect I have for him.]]> 2009-01-21T02:56:51Z steveirwin@gmail.com A Real Sailor 68.50.252.202 wp_id=219514;date=2009-05-08 02:29:45-04:00 2009-05-08T06:29:45Z jfaskljf@gmail.com Igor 24.237.127.84 wp_id=219709;date=2009-05-09 23:08:02-04:00
Yet, the fact that the japenese actually shot the guy with a gun is so outrageous that their whole defense now falls apart . Japan is revealed as the agressor here in response to largely non violent harrassment to date by sea shepard to stop whaling. i think the parties have to renegotiate this treaty of whaling to totally ban whale harvest once and for all. if this keeps up, someone will be killed soon either intentional or by accident]]> 2009-05-10T03:08:02Z k8ikw@aol.com gary 205.188.116.70 wp_id=221953;date=2009-06-02 22:47:10-04:00
In short, if the SS were fully focused on the whales they would focus their efforts on any number of more obvious solutions. Which leads me to believe that saving whale life is not the underlying purpose of the SS operation.]]> 2009-06-03T02:47:10Z whale_lover@anonymous.disqus.net Whale Lover 65.96.166.108 wp_id=222177;date=2009-06-05 21:14:31-04:00 2009-06-06T01:14:31Z hwgfxr357@aol.com Will 67.188.126.144 wp_id=222242;date=2009-06-06 19:37:28-04:00
obviously - it's you who has never seen what it's like when someone is shot with a vest -- yes there is bruising, but knocked off their ass -- NO. If you use your high school physics - Newton's 3rd law - it's the same change in momentum that the person firing the gun feels - and if you've ever fired a gun - you don't get knocked on your ass - or stagger. Even for large caliber and high muzzle velocities (ie - large change in momentum)]]> 2009-06-06T23:37:28Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 98.218.23.15 wp_id=222396;date=2009-06-10 00:05:58-04:00 I have spent 18 years as an Emergency Medical provider, several of those in direct concert with SWAT teams for a large metropoloitan area and as a flight medic. I saw the episode in question and believe that at very best that was a peice of a flash bang. I have treated those injuries and they are small cuts and some minor bruising. At worst and what I personally believe, as proven by the sensational history of Mr. watson, I belive it was staged. Had he been struck by a rifle round, as was claimed, he would have been gravely injured. He did not have the type of body armor needed to stop a rifle round. If he was truly struck with a pistol round he would have reacted much differently. The after effects of a bullet strike on the type of armor that Mr. Watson was wearing is almost immediately evident and very dramatic. But it did look good on film.

I am glad that the plight of these truly majestic creatures id being brought to light but I hate that it is being down played by some of these antics.]]> 2009-06-10T04:05:58Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 66.216.210.131 wp_id=225627;date=2009-08-04 11:35:01-04:00 2009-08-04T15:35:01Z bryan@anonymous.disqus.net Bryan 4.231.2.35 wp_id=225810;date=2009-08-07 21:38:01-04:00 2009-08-08T01:38:01Z corpdrummer@yahoo.com john 67.207.118.206 wp_id=231792;date=2009-11-21 17:22:57-05:00 2009-11-21T22:22:57Z morten@anonymous.disqus.net Morten 88.90.192.25 wp_id=144157;date=2008-03-19 15:06:51-04:00 2008-03-19T19:06:51Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.144.229.80 wp_id=144163;date=2008-03-19 16:27:40-04:00 it is also nice to see less reference to terrorism than usual.
for the most part, though, it still reads like any other ELF article that has been printed over the last decade. it totally missed the point. how is it that hundreds of these articles fail to even touch on what so many people find so fascinating about these actions? i spoke with the journalist and he does seem more sincere than most. it always blows me away to see how trained journalists can cover an event like this and write such a bland and uninspired article.
we've seen this literally hundreds of times now.]]> 2008-03-19T20:27:40Z leslie_james_pickering@anonymous.disqus.net Leslie James Pickering 72.88.104.66 wp_id=144164;date=2008-03-19 16:34:45-04:00 2008-03-19T20:34:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=144964;date=2008-03-27 00:24:00-04:00 http://www.salon.com/

You may have to watch a commercial (ugh) to read the full thing, but it's a though provoking piece on the legal prosecution (persecution?) of environmental activists.]]> 2008-03-27T04:24:00Z demarcatedlandscapes@yahoo.com Lozen 24.255.12.65 wp_id=145067;date=2008-03-27 21:33:37-04:00 i'm surprised by the fact you're blown away by the way "trained" journalists cover ELF stories... they're doing exactly what they were trained to do - keep the public on a steady dose of fear and vilence. typical trained journalism lends itself to (unfortunate) standard american viewpoints.]]> 2008-03-28T01:33:37Z jimmy@lattitudezine.com jimmy 74.130.213.116 wp_id=145573;date=2008-04-01 11:42:39-04:00 2008-04-01T15:42:39Z southernbeale@yahoo.com Southern Beale 216.153.73.214 wp_id=146040;date=2008-04-03 23:35:32-04:00 2008-04-04T03:35:32Z bsf5@students.uwf.edu Britney French 143.88.164.187 wp_id=146089;date=2008-04-04 13:02:23-04:00 "We shouldn’t be over in Iraq in the first place."
Since when did you and I and everyone else get involved in this war? WE never declared war on Iraq, and WE aren't the ones fighting this war and if it were up to us, this war wouldn't have stopped in the first place. They aren't OUR troops in Iraq. We need to stop identifying with those in power that rule over us, they are completely seperate from us and we have no say so in the sickening actions that they and this civilization continue to perpetuate. I'm not the one selling away the national forests to big corporations, I'm not the one allowing Exxon/Mobile to continue on, I'm not the one allowing this culture to committ genocide against brown people, and so on, and so forth.
Sure we have a certain responsibility for the actions of those in power, but that's only because we don't stop them. We were born into this civilization, into a system which has waged war upon the earth and every living being, the first step to stopping it is to stop identifying with it and to stop identifying with those in power.
As Derrick Jensen has said:

"Because the global economy is killing the planet before our eyes (premise one) and because it is not redeemable (premise six), it is wrong to think that personal lifestyle changes we make within the current system can save the planet. While we are not responsible for existing in the current system because we did not create it, we are responsible for doing our part to destroy the system, as this is the only way to stop the destruction of the planet."]]> 2008-04-04T17:02:23Z jake@anonymous.disqus.net Jake 69.92.206.84 wp_id=146137;date=2008-04-05 00:23:59-04:00 2008-04-05T04:23:59Z jake@anonymous.disqus.net Jake 69.92.206.84 wp_id=146107;date=2008-04-04 16:58:06-04:00 What do you all think?

I'd never heard of Eric Devericks before today - so my opinion of him is based solely on the blog post to which you link - but I think he comes off like a major douche. Dude is blogging for a large publication, and he can't muster an ounce of professionalism in interacting with his readers.

No to mention, even the police are questioning whether this is the work of ELF. Way to fact check.]]> 2008-04-04T20:58:06Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 75.121.249.43 wp_id=146134;date=2008-04-04 23:17:02-04:00
what i'm most disturbed by is there's a McCain banner on your blog...]]> 2008-04-05T03:17:02Z jimmy@lattitudezine.com jimmy 74.130.213.116 wp_id=146142;date=2008-04-05 01:11:16-04:00 This is nothing more than blatant propaganda considering that I'm sure he reads the Seattle Times, and I'm sure he seen the article which was pointed out earlier on this website as to the Seattle Times article which was raising questions about the arson being the result of ELF.
It's also annoying that their still using this incendiary device bullshit when there were none found, but of course, what can we expect? They back up those with ecocidal visions while attacking those who want to stop them. Those who are killing the earth get off and those who are defending it get put away. This is by no means a backwards world we're living in.]]> 2008-04-05T05:11:16Z john@anonymous.disqus.net John 69.92.206.84 wp_id=146174;date=2008-04-05 08:16:11-04:00 "what i’m most disturbed by is there’s a McCain banner on your blog…"

Ha ha. Weird, huh? I think I'm going to stop using GoogleAds, because some of the ads the program is placing are just so bizarre. There have also been a lot of "anti-terrorism training program" ads. If anyone has a suggestion for a replacement, let me know. Will]]> 2008-04-05T12:16:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=146191;date=2008-04-05 09:39:28-04:00 2008-04-05T13:39:28Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.172 wp_id=146226;date=2008-04-05 17:57:23-04:00
The sad thing is that any trouble ELF members get themselves into makes them think that their actions are somehow justified.

Too bad all the energy of ELF can't be harnessed into making the world a better place instead.]]> 2008-04-05T21:57:23Z even_worst@anonymous.disqus.net Even worst 76.230.248.79 wp_id=146332;date=2008-04-06 22:13:04-04:00 2008-04-07T02:13:04Z eric@ananimalfriendlylife.com Eric 71.174.187.187 wp_id=146366;date=2008-04-07 11:39:18-04:00
I mentioned the green scare in Sociology class today. The professor thought it was a good point, but the comment failed to draw any response from the 40 people in the classroom. This always discourages me, considering that I even alluded to the idea of condoning property destruction.]]> 2008-04-07T15:39:18Z nielad@gmail.com Daniel 152.13.73.9 wp_id=146848;date=2008-04-12 10:28:36-04:00
The idea that the ends justify the means is an assumption shared by a huge amount of people from the man in the street to the US government. So presuming this guy's in favour of the US system, he's bought into that himself. It's not a magic shibboleth which, if you can say it, proves you're a terrorist.

That's aside from the obvious ridiculousness of an ELF/ al Qaeda comparison.]]> 2008-04-12T14:28:36Z rusu@anonymous.disqus.net Rusu 172.142.197.175 wp_id=146880;date=2008-04-12 20:49:35-04:00 2008-04-13T00:49:35Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=146592;date=2008-04-09 12:40:38-04:00 Any questions, get in touch: letlive@foodfightgrocery.com]]> 2008-04-09T16:40:38Z chad@foodfightgrocery.com Chad 76.27.230.198 wp_id=146603;date=2008-04-09 14:43:15-04:00 2008-04-09T18:43:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=146688;date=2008-04-10 13:35:59-04:00 2008-04-10T17:35:59Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=146690;date=2008-04-10 14:14:22-04:00 2008-04-10T18:14:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=147818;date=2008-04-20 13:31:10-04:00 2008-04-20T17:31:10Z letlive@foodfightgrocery.com Let Live 76.27.230.198 wp_id=146620;date=2008-04-09 17:19:47-04:00 http://www.comics.com/comics/m.../ it comes at a really good perspective with things.]]> 2008-04-09T21:19:47Z john@anonymous.disqus.net John 69.92.206.84 wp_id=146687;date=2008-04-10 13:33:41-04:00 2008-04-10T17:33:41Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=147160;date=2008-04-14 22:27:54-04:00 2008-04-15T02:27:54Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=147200;date=2008-04-15 07:40:45-04:00
In a few ways.
1. A very likely scenario is that a group posts the address of a researcher on its website, urging people to come out and protest (which, although quite controversial, is still legal and protected activity). Prosecutors may say this "incites" illegal activity, or a researcher may say they are fearful of the picketers. As a result, the group wouldn't be able to spread information about their activities and spread their views. The Internet is critical for grassroots organizing, and lawmakers clearly know this and are attacking this.
2. There's another type of threat posed to free speech activity, and that's the chilling effect of legislation like this. The "eco-terrorism" rhetoric, combined with vague, overly broad legislation, and harsh penalties, is intended to make people afraid to use their First Amendment rights.
Best, Will]]> 2008-04-15T11:40:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=147260;date=2008-04-15 23:55:54-04:00 http://dc.indymedia.org/userme...
http://dc.indymedia.org/featur...]]> 2008-04-16T03:55:54Z ramognino@gmail.com Stewart 166.70.54.115 wp_id=147630;date=2008-04-18 23:23:51-04:00 2008-04-19T03:23:51Z chris@anonymous.disqus.net Chris 69.109.161.248 wp_id=148480;date=2008-04-24 21:41:39-04:00 1. The assumption that property damage is terrorism
2. The implied hypocrisy - if ELF members are fat, they are hypocrites.
3. The fat shaming
4. The implication that environmentalists are not patriots
5. The crazy stigma - the 9/11 videos = conspiracy theories = crackpot]]> 2008-04-25T01:41:39Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 66.108.204.153 wp_id=148489;date=2008-04-24 23:39:18-04:00 2) Don't see it
3) Go on a diet, amigo.
4) How many environmentalists do you know with military experience?
5) Sounds like this struck a chord, you ELF?]]> 2008-04-25T03:39:18Z brd7890@garnet.acns.fsu.edu Nice Try 76.184.97.108 wp_id=148537;date=2008-04-25 10:38:40-04:00 2008-04-25T14:38:40Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.53 wp_id=148541;date=2008-04-25 11:11:29-04:00 2008-04-25T15:11:29Z fauberrs@gmail.com rachel 136.160.189.245 wp_id=148545;date=2008-04-25 13:25:29-04:00
read any derrick jensen book.]]> 2008-04-25T17:25:29Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.157.202 wp_id=148554;date=2008-04-25 16:19:22-04:00 2008-04-25T20:19:22Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.142 wp_id=148564;date=2008-04-25 19:56:14-04:00 That seems like an awfully broad definition don't you think? to say that any action which, can intimidate or coerce is terrorism. By that definition an act of civil disobedience like those taken by Dr. Martin Luther King jr. would be considered terrorism, because they are illegal actions designed to coerce. Plus it's ridiculous to compare a group of people who have never injured anyone (and go to great lengths to prevent injury) to a group like Al-Qaeda who targets innocent civilians indescriminently.

It seems like those on the right, (like the above poster and the writer of this cartoon) like to resort to ad hominem attacks and straw men instead of explaining exactly why they disagree with the environmental movement. It's much easier to just call environmentalists unpatriotic terrorist, then to actually justify things such as: urban sprawl, deforestation, GMO's, fossil fuels ect. It's funny to me how such blatant propaganda could be published into a daily newspaper, I mean it's not even clever. It's basically just saying the "Earth Liberation Front are fat terrorists." Talk about lack of critical thinking. This is a new low, even for the corporate media.]]> 2008-04-25T23:56:14Z hopsnbarley2@yahoo.com Von Hinklefurd 216.99.199.189 wp_id=149829;date=2008-05-05 00:11:20-04:00 2008-05-05T04:11:20Z blackmarketlemonade@gmail.com AnnieMcPhee 68.39.52.188 wp_id=149896;date=2008-05-05 13:19:13-04:00 every time I write or speak about this topic--the things they do are illegal and IMO wrong--but the fact remains that destroying property is nowhere near the same league as killing or plotting to kill human beings. I have never understood how anyone can think there is any comparison between the two.]]> 2008-05-05T17:19:13Z spacedcowgirl@gmail.com spacedcowgirl 76.234.129.221 wp_id=177874;date=2008-11-12 03:05:31-05:00 2008-11-12T08:05:31Z jared@anonymous.disqus.net Jared 24.205.151.245 wp_id=216029;date=2009-04-07 15:46:01-04:00 2009-04-07T19:46:01Z rightauk@sisqtel.net Bird of Paradise 63.207.224.249 wp_id=148803;date=2008-04-27 14:44:52-04:00 2008-04-27T18:44:52Z garbage365@comcast.net MCR 67.167.119.13 wp_id=148822;date=2008-04-27 17:20:23-04:00 2008-04-27T21:20:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=148898;date=2008-04-28 10:28:44-04:00
Posted it on digg: http://digg.com/politics/Felon.../]]> 2008-04-28T14:28:44Z drew.r.wilson@gmail.com dw 130.215.24.203 wp_id=148900;date=2008-04-28 10:52:43-04:00
"I wonder how this affects us 'northern folk' who protest in the winter months with scarfs and hoods wrapped tightly around our faces to protect us from the cold? Maybe protests will only be allowed certain months of the year....just to make sure we are not 'terrorists'."]]> 2008-04-28T14:52:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=148913;date=2008-04-28 15:31:03-04:00 2008-04-28T19:31:03Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 66.108.204.153 wp_id=148914;date=2008-04-28 15:43:52-04:00 2008-04-28T19:43:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=148993;date=2008-04-29 08:25:14-04:00
Fortunately, it was far more civilized when I protested in DC, save for a mother swearing at us in front of her children for daring to hand out flyers declaring the animals were mistreated. Never mind that there were no gruesome pictures.]]> 2008-04-29T12:25:14Z veggietart@hotmail.com VeggieTart 38.105.83.34 wp_id=149070;date=2008-04-29 19:52:19-04:00
Now - our law enforcement, from local PD to FBI, to HS has time to harass and imprison people for using their 1st amendment rights.

That's so cool, all of our money and resources can now go directly back into watching ourselves!

Where can I apply to be a Stasi?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

Seriously though, how can these 'officers' live with themselves, being a perversion of what law enforcement should be?

And what can the rest of us do if the public does not even seem care once they do here about green scare cases?

It's not like we're seeing this topic show up in even the higher profile "liberal" media like NPR, etc...

It really makes aspects of being a LEGAL AR activist kinda depressing...

Any optimistic words for us, Will? :-)]]> 2008-04-29T23:52:19Z gir@anonymous.disqus.net Gir 76.164.17.222 wp_id=149158;date=2008-04-30 09:58:10-04:00
It's so frustrating that none of these issues get play in major media, or, like you said, even the "liberal" outlets like NPR or The Nation. What's worse, the few folks in liberal organizations that ARE paying attention don't (want to) believe that these tactics could ever be used against them. There's just such a disconnect. Part of that may be simply a self-preservation tactic: if you ignore what's going on, it makes it easier to keep on a steady path.

I think your comparison to the Stasi is a fair one, in many ways, and I think about that a lot. If there's any room for optimism in all of this, it's related to historical comparisons like that.

In many ways, what is going on now is quite mild compared to what other activists have experienced throughout history. I don't mean to downplay it, in any way. It feels so overwhelming (especially after reading a blog like this!). But I like to think about the courage that groups and individuals have shown throughout history, in the face of even worse odds, and in the face of even harsher tactics.

If people in power thought they could get away with tactics like that, I believe they would be using them. The fact that they're targeting these movements means they view them as a threat, as effective. And the fact that they're trying to pick off "fringe" groups, and stay out of the public spotlight, reflects that they know there are limits to their power, and limits to what people will tolerate: they know that, even as bad as things seem, they can only push people so far right now. In other words, they're afraid.]]> 2008-04-30T13:58:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=149218;date=2008-04-30 18:43:11-04:00
Could it not be a test of the waters?
Go after the small fringe groups first, see what you get away with. After a norm has been set among protesters, carry it across to the larger groups.

Sort of like a broken window policy, (ie. Crack down on the small stuff to build momentum into tackling the bigger "problem")
Yes, I know I'm a cynic. I just inherently distrust all means of government.]]> 2008-04-30T22:43:11Z rs@mail.com Pessimist 210.48.100.234 wp_id=149221;date=2008-04-30 20:05:59-04:00
Absolutely. Sorry for not being quite explicit about that. I think there should be no doubt that arrests like this (along with the "terrorism enhancement penalties" in Operation Backfire, and legislation like the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, etc.) are testing the waters. If unchallenged, tactics like this will only spread further (and we're seeing that already). I think one of the reasons animal rights and environmental activists are experiencing this is because those movements have been pushed aside as "fringe" by more mainstream groups, so they're easier to attack. To use a non-animal rights analogy, these groups are just the canaries in the mine.]]> 2008-05-01T00:05:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=149354;date=2008-05-01 17:55:30-04:00 I totally agree that the motives behind his arrest were not honorable, that he had every right to be protesting, in fact, I'm glad he was protesting the circus, but it's a legit law that he probably knew about before. And I definitely wouldn't have tried to get away with it at a circus protest. Those are always closely monitored since PETA hosts them frequently and tends to go a little overboard (I once heard that almost every PETA circus protest has at least one naked woman running around to get people's attention).
And @Elaine Vigneault, no, you can't wear a mask on Halloween. You probably won't get arrested, but the police would be well within their rights to if they wanted to. Welcome to Virginia.]]> 2008-05-01T21:55:30Z lindquistrj@vcu.edu Becky 208.22.79.251 wp_id=149622;date=2008-05-03 18:09:00-04:00 2008-05-03T22:09:00Z holly@sternberg.com GMU protester 71.126.164.196 wp_id=149773;date=2008-05-04 14:15:24-04:00
"No, you can’t wear a mask on Halloween." You demonstrate that you don't know what you are talking about. VA's mask law states "it shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen years of age while wearing any mask...[except] persons wearing traditional holiday costumes. (VIRGINIA Section 18.2-422)"

Think, before you post.]]> 2008-05-04T18:15:24Z gmu_alumnus@anonymous.disqus.net GMU Alumnus 208.74.134.131 wp_id=149854;date=2008-05-05 05:53:29-04:00 those who fight for the rights of those who cant speak or fight for themselves are blessed maybe not in this life but somewhere down the road the good that you did will return to you.
im sorry the world is so wicked and persecutes those trying to make it a better place. if your fighting for poor defenceless animals to be treated humanely, then your seving your country and all of humanity, i wish you every success . they shot ghandi and dr king and they beat the freedom riders and they might beat you too, but you will know in your heart you did the right thing,]]> 2008-05-05T09:53:29Z zandrewzen@aol.com andrew 218.215.234.254 wp_id=151979;date=2008-05-22 19:21:19-04:00 2008-05-22T23:21:19Z wysirwygoagd@gmail.com wysirwygoagd 24.178.32.44 wp_id=152080;date=2008-05-23 12:03:06-04:00 2008-05-23T16:03:06Z theartfuldodger@anonymous.disqus.net TheArtfulDodger 68.100.104.135 wp_id=152461;date=2008-05-25 22:16:38-04:00 video.google.com/videoplay?doc...

this is pocket change compared to the past actions.. this is bigger than anyone knows right now..

video.google.com/videoplay?doc...]]> 2008-05-26T02:16:38Z faq@bro.com wtf 64.135.139.154 wp_id=182458;date=2008-12-18 20:53:38-05:00 %$#@! anti-mask law. Virginia's "strong" anti-mask law
is unfair to people who want to wear masks in public for fun!
The %$#@! who arrested the protestor just for wearing a
mask in public should move to Sweden where he would
feel at home! Even some dictatorships do not have a law like this!]]> 2008-12-19T01:53:38Z maskedbob@yahoo.com Maskedbob. 71.172.115.15 wp_id=217525;date=2009-04-16 00:25:43-04:00
Your right to the privacy of your own face is now lost. What about the women from the middle east who wear a face and head covering? Are they exempt? Could we protest wearing the head dress like them? Maybe so, since the government isn't suppose to be fingering out on class or race of people over another.]]> 2009-04-16T04:25:43Z emptynospam@juno.com Lame Duck 68.52.23.224 wp_id=149359;date=2008-05-01 18:48:25-04:00
The word "gangs" was in quotation marks, not parenthesis genius.]]> 2008-05-01T22:48:25Z rick.dangerous.ftw@gmail.com R. DeMarco 24.228.90.19 wp_id=149371;date=2008-05-01 20:38:04-04:00
I changed it. No need to be rude. Will]]> 2008-05-02T00:38:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=149407;date=2008-05-02 01:28:22-04:00
"Genius" indeed.

Nice blog post, Will.]]> 2008-05-02T05:28:22Z asdf@asdf.com Canaduck 66.183.105.48 wp_id=149448;date=2008-05-02 09:44:53-04:00 2008-05-02T13:44:53Z davey@anonymous.disqus.net Davey 205.242.74.3 wp_id=149451;date=2008-05-02 10:44:13-04:00 2008-05-02T14:44:13Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=149475;date=2008-05-02 14:17:35-04:00 jerks.
=/]]> 2008-05-02T18:17:35Z davey@anonymous.disqus.net Davey 205.242.74.3 wp_id=149580;date=2008-05-03 10:41:58-04:00



You never see us, and you can't stop us.

Animal Liberation Front"

'Animal Abuser at No. 7' was painted on a row of garages

'100% CRUELTY'. We’ll come back soon!"

We painted 'MEAT = MURDER'

anglers are murderers

we know where to find you

"'Cardiff uni kills animals'
Sprayed on university campus fencing

"Murder" and other slogans were left behind in red paint.

'First warning. Murderers

MURDERERS!, MEAT IS MURDER!,]]> 2008-05-03T14:41:58Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=149607;date=2008-05-03 15:12:34-04:00


'FUR = MURDER' and 'Animal Liberation Front' were some of the slogans painted on the building.


This was only a calling card. STOP SELLING FUR!


"Meat is Murder," "Mess with Animals get Served" and "ALF"— were painted on a Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant


'NO BLOODSPORTS' and 'ALF'.


"YOU'VE BEEN WARNED," "NYSE: PUPPY KILLERS" and "DROP HLS."

"The phrase 'Drop SSK' were painted on his garage door and the letters ALF were scrawled across the side of his car in black spray paint. "

"We also covered his house in paint including the words "CAT KILLER"

"slashed all the tires and left our calling card in our own paint. You never see us, and you can't stop us."]]> 2008-05-03T19:12:34Z p_e_t_asucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=149781;date=2008-05-04 15:54:24-04:00 Media groups need to stop trying to maximize their bottom line, and drop labels, and sensational journalism practices.]]> 2008-05-04T19:54:24Z jehan60188@gmail.com Jehan 76.31.22.46 wp_id=150049;date=2008-05-06 16:10:54-04:00 2008-05-06T20:10:54Z erin@anonymous.disqus.net Erin 82.6.15.213 wp_id=150054;date=2008-05-06 16:48:59-04:00 You might want to read the post again. I never claim to be "green," nor do I say anything at all about Peta.

I think most reasonable people would disagree that spraypainting racist messages is "standard graffiti." Are you saying that people shouldn't be concerned about this, because the building vandalized belongs to a group you disagree with?]]> 2008-05-06T20:48:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=150071;date=2008-05-06 18:33:02-04:00
Maybe I haven't seen all of the graffiti painted on PETA's wall, what was the racist message?]]> 2008-05-06T22:33:02Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=150144;date=2008-05-07 07:15:39-04:00 I haven't seen all of it either: I'm dependent on the local news reports on this one, and I linked to one of the stories in the blog post. Will]]> 2008-05-07T11:15:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=150268;date=2008-05-08 02:44:40-04:00 http://www.polishlibrary.org/r... ).]]> 2008-05-08T06:44:40Z realreform@earthlink.net starchild true starchild 66.245.35.31 wp_id=150318;date=2008-05-08 10:11:28-04:00 The name of this website is a metaphor, comparing the Red Scare, which recklessly labeled people as "communists" in order to push a political agenda and silence dissent, with the "Green Scare," which is recklessly labeling people as "eco-terrorists" in order to push a political agenda and silence dissent.

Will]]> 2008-05-08T14:11:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=208833;date=2009-03-20 01:02:50-04:00
According to Peta, you are not a true ARA if you use the word welfare as in "animal welfare" and yet they use it themselves. A recent, absurdly self congratulatory post by one of their spokesmen regarding KFC...." “PETA, “thrilled to announce” what it characterizes as an “historic new animal welfare plan,” “enormous victory,” and “historic victory!” has officially ended its boycott of KFC Canada. But PETA warns that “the cruelty in other nations continues.”

Does anyone else see the word "welfare in that statement? I abhor their donning of KKK robes in a campaign against dog shows that is appalling in it's idiotic offense to people of color, and the demeaning of all holocaust victims with their chicken campaign. As an ex member, I know what I am talking about. Can anyone say cult of teens and twenties females (mostly) parroting Nutty Newkirks "newspeak" and ditching their clothes because a cloud blew over their heads?
They originally had good intentions but now do more harm for the rights of animals than 5 million pig farms and and all of the circuses in the world combined.

I abhor that misguided but well intentioned people donate to peta thinking that peta saves animals. HA! Peta puts animals to death themselves and freely and smugly and self righteously admit it. They euthanize dogs and cat by the thousands without even an attempt to wait the requisite 3 to 5 days before doing so and yet scream "bloody murder" over every other creature. They rake in over 30 million a year, most of which goes in "recruiting new members". The rest in self promotion. They have become their own circus act and an impediment to real animal rights activists.

Please, give your money to any group but them, when you join all you get is constant requests for more money anyway. When will the madness end? When will we stop giving them the credibility they DO NOT DESERVE?

If someone gave you 30 million dollars this year, don't you think you could do better in one year than Peta has in 20? I know I could.]]> 2009-03-20T05:02:50Z dsg1602@yahoo.com daphne glenn 24.209.212.88 wp_id=149508;date=2008-05-02 21:04:59-04:00 i checked my local borders bookstore (northern ny) for the magazine, and it had no stickers. if it was put out by elle, stickers would of been on all of the copies.]]> 2008-05-03T01:04:59Z asher2789@gmail.com ashley 137.142.180.109 wp_id=149509;date=2008-05-02 21:12:59-04:00
The only good outcome I can see from such an article is ostracism by "Anna's" friends and family after seeing the article. How any individual could freely coerce others into acts simply aimed at sending them into the violence of prison is amazing.]]> 2008-05-03T01:12:59Z jimmy@lattitudezine.com jimmy 74.130.213.116 wp_id=149513;date=2008-05-02 21:25:14-04:00 2008-05-03T01:25:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=149928;date=2008-05-05 18:15:44-04:00 2008-05-05T22:15:44Z amanda.lynne77@yahoo.com Amanda 24.7.182.172 wp_id=149998;date=2008-05-06 06:15:57-04:00 You completely lost me. I wasn't clear if you're talking about this post, or the article in Elle. I'd strongly disagree that "First Amendment right casualties are mourned" in the Elle piece. I don't think it was made clear, in any way, that this case has far-reaching implications, and should be of concern to everyone who speaks up for what they believe.

But I think your reference to a Modest Proposal is on point, because "eco-terrorists" will TOTALLY eat your children.

That was a joke.

Will]]> 2008-05-06T10:15:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=150090;date=2008-05-06 19:56:52-04:00 You need to reread the article (and keep in mind two things, this is not for the left but mainstream America, and it is not the reporter's job to express his/her opinions of the subject matter one way or another, it is the reporter's job to present information in a way it has been presented to him/her, then to challenge it if he or she can. Which, given the case is in appeal, makes this difficult to impossible: McDavid's attorney is still prepapring for an appeal, the amount of information he can provide; he who did not testify, is limited.
But on to p. 268:
'For any investigation of these groups to be legitimate -- to get around the "freedom of assembly right U.S. ciotizens are afforded --law enforcement needs to have proof of illegal activity. Anna's FTAA report gave them that green light. "This was Christmas come early for them," Anna says with a laugh.'
Also , on p.270:
"Calling individuals associated with these groups 'the No 1 threat to security' is really hyperbolic," Rosenfeld says, as FBI Deputy Assistant Director John Lewis did in 2005. ..."Basically the FBI no longer concentrates on crime solving but has moved to crime prevention" (END QUOTE.) [and the reporter writes] which creates some serious constitutional issues, namely that innocent until proven auilty cornerstone of our legal system...'
I could go on but have not the time or inclination. I'm a crappy typist. There is an interview with Mcdavid, a quote from his attorney saying the government can say and do whatever the fuck it wants,and an interview with a juror calling the FBI an embarassment and saying she hopes Eric gets a new trial--as well as the final quote in the piece: "At least someone is trying to protect our world and our environment."
I think you did not read the story that carefully. It is incomplete, but that's because this is a book, not a magazine article. I'll bet anyone the reporter called at any of the eco-terror organizations (and if she could find Anna, I'm sure a call or two were placed) ignored her calls because she was calling from Elle magazine. Or because she was calling from any mainstream magazine. Whichg makes getting your "accurate story" out a bit hard.
There is also a brief quote from Weiner's attorney. Jenson's attorney would not return calls, according to the story.
The view of the reporter is not slanted. The view of the interviewed--and those who choose not to be interviewed--as well as the view oif the readers responding to it, however, is. In my opinion.]]> 2008-05-06T23:56:52Z amanda.lynne77@yahoo.com Amanda 24.7.182.172 wp_id=150091;date=2008-05-06 19:59:17-04:00 That was a facetious remark.]]> 2008-05-06T23:59:17Z amanda.lynne77@yahoo.com Amanda 24.7.182.172 wp_id=150402;date=2008-05-09 00:01:32-04:00 2008-05-09T04:01:32Z amanda.lynne77@yahoo.com Amanda 24.7.182.172 wp_id=150432;date=2008-05-09 07:18:49-04:00 Yes, I have reread the article multiple times, and I think you're totally missing the point.

As to your last comment, you're mixing up two separate points. Anna says she was turned away at an FTAA meeting, and the reporter says she "scored an invite" to a CrimethInc gathering.

Regarding your much longer comment: much of it was too convoluted for me to follow what you're saying. It's clear that some things you noted, though, are completely untrue, such as the reporter not having access to information because the case is pending appeal. Also, I think it's quite a stretch to say things like the reporter called "eco-terror organizations" and they ignored her calls (first, because there's no such thing, and second, because that's nothing but a wild guess).

I'm not arguing that the reporter should have made this magazine article some kind of essay about how McDavid didn't get a fair trial. However, purporting to be "unbiased" isn't an excuse for not questioning the lies and misinformation provided by "Anna" and government sources. That being said, as I noted in the original blog post--it could have been much worse. Will]]> 2008-05-09T11:18:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=150449;date=2008-05-09 11:49:50-04:00 And again, these were the informant's words (about the secretive nature) not the reporter's. So, your point is that some group activities turn people away and others do not? IS it secretive or not? And Anna wasn't just "attending" meetings, she was involved in the planning.
That's very different. That must require some trust on the part of others. And i doubt they "trust" everyone on that level.]]> 2008-05-09T15:49:50Z amanda.lynne77@yahoo.com Amanda 24.7.182.172 wp_id=150458;date=2008-05-09 13:42:58-04:00 2008-05-09T17:42:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=150471;date=2008-05-09 14:57:16-04:00 Also, as readers of Ms. Todd's story we have no idea what cooperation, or lack of cooperation she received from the subjects in the story - - how do we know what any of these individuals were willing to say, whether they called back the writer, etc. Try writing a story in which you must interview people on both sides of a pending dispute, especially when there may be some risk for such individuals to speak, and see how difficult it may be. Lastly, for a feature story such as this one we have no idea what the Elle 'editors' did - - the writer does not necessarily have much control over what makes it in the story.
Overall, supporters of Eric should be thankful that a lenghtly feature made it into a mainstream magazine - - even if the article told more of Anna's story. The Elle piece is likley to introduce the subject matter, and the idea that post-911 effects on criminal law & sentencing are not all positive, to many more people than the ramblings on far left or far right web site blogs. Ms Todd should be thanked for that.]]> 2008-05-09T18:57:16Z goyetteg@goyette-assoc.com Gary 99.162.140.89 wp_id=150746;date=2008-05-11 23:34:27-04:00
Finally, I would like to thank you for putting this info in your blog (which I'm happy I found and look forward to reading more). We need to be aware of the lengths the gov will go to keep their status quo continuing.]]> 2008-05-12T03:34:27Z ravengrrrl@gmail.com Raven 12.219.45.98 wp_id=150767;date=2008-05-12 02:51:30-04:00 It is hard for me to believe that she would go to so much trouble to be so cohesive with a group that she was not truly trying to entrap such as forever marking her body with a tattoo of which she now says she never wanted, giving up so much of her life, and being so "frightened" for her safety.
It comes down to that this girl is a pathological liar and it was the duty of the reporter to check the sources of the story before going to print. Not only to help save your face as a diligent reporter but you are also dealing with labeling a whole activist community as "eco-terrorists." Believe me, I know the FBI and other media outlets do a great job of droppin the T word as it is but it is still irresponsible of any reporter to not check your facts especially when dealing with a known liar.]]> 2008-05-12T06:51:30Z stayvegan@riseup.net Emmy 71.146.147.65 wp_id=150871;date=2008-05-12 20:36:12-04:00 2008-05-13T00:36:12Z amanda.lynne77@yahoo.com Amanda 24.7.182.172 wp_id=151310;date=2008-05-16 19:33:20-04:00 Kinda like something the Bush administration would do. Delete any critical feedback or facts that prove you were incorrect.]]> 2008-05-16T23:33:20Z amanda.lynne77@yahoo.com Amanda 24.7.182.172 wp_id=151339;date=2008-05-16 22:07:19-04:00 No, I have not deleted any comments from you.

And no, that is NOT in direct opposition to what I'm saying, because the first few paragraphs of this blog post WERE A JOKE. Good grief. I thought the tone, and the fact that I specifically say that I'm joking, would clue you in to that. Will]]> 2008-05-17T02:07:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 63.229.27.4 wp_id=151425;date=2008-05-17 21:46:43-04:00
I hate my life :-(]]> 2008-05-18T01:46:43Z cyd.grayson@gmail.com Dykonoclast 72.85.195.48 wp_id=151859;date=2008-05-21 22:32:47-04:00 2008-05-22T02:32:47Z amanda.lynne77@yahoo.com Amanda 24.7.182.172 wp_id=192061;date=2009-01-28 19:42:44-05:00 2009-01-29T00:42:44Z jamierain@anonymous.disqus.net jamierain 75.73.35.32 wp_id=192064;date=2009-01-28 19:49:38-05:00 Thanks. It's actually posted on the site here:
http://www.greenisthenewred.co.../]]> 2009-01-29T00:49:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.223.39 wp_id=221686;date=2009-05-31 11:08:54-04:00 As it happened.
Tuesday, Phone call from The MAD office to me, Ray we have no street medics, yes we have one Sara, Ray that is not enough. I will makes some calls. I called around with no luck, going into the event we had one street medic.
Wed. St Maurice, the last meeting before the event. We are meeting on the patio and going over all the lose ends. This car pulls up and out of it comes a young woman dressed as a street medic. I see her and think RED FLAG they really are taping our phones, we need street medics and her she is. No one comes to a meeting dressed as a street medic! Then she started to act like a bull in a china shop. All kinds of questions, like she wanted to find out everything in 15min.
Thursday, Lesters Dinner, the legal team and the core organizers compared notes, ANNA WAS A FED, watch her!!!
Friday, IBEW union hall, she was back, asking all kinds of questions, with no answers from us, we could see she was gritting frustrated and making calls on her cell phone all the time she was there.
Sat. Carnival Of The Americas at St. Maurice, she back again in the after noon trying to get info, again to no avail. You could see she was getting very frustrated.
Sun. The March, she recruits about a dozen young people to do a sit in. Thing are getting out of hand, the agreement was that there were to be no cops in riot gear and now we had 12 kids doing a sit in in front of them. We right away began to defuse the situation by having some of the younger organizers talk the sit in people to give up their posture and get up. It began to work, at the same time I lost my cool and began calling out loud that she was a fed and this was a problem. I first address the march leader to no avail and then moved over the the head of the legal team that was on the ground. Jim the march leader told me flat out the ANNA was not a fed and Andrea said "Ray you have no proof", grudgingly I knew I did not have 100% proof.
She stayed in town for about 3 more weeks showing up here and there. She then left for Philadelphia with Sara for the BIO-Tect actions.
We had her and could have outed her down her, we could have put her face all over the internet and Eric and co. could be free today.
Ray Del Papa]]> 2009-05-31T15:08:54Z mrrratpp@aol.com Ray Del Papa 74.236.43.114 wp_id=150335;date=2008-05-08 13:40:34-04:00 2008-05-08T17:40:34Z antispe@anonymous.disqus.net Antispe 88.105.176.39 wp_id=150336;date=2008-05-08 13:54:44-04:00 2008-05-08T17:54:44Z antispe@anonymous.disqus.net Antispe 88.105.176.39 wp_id=150340;date=2008-05-08 14:21:04-04:00 2008-05-08T18:21:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=150330;date=2008-05-08 12:28:31-04:00 2008-05-08T16:28:31Z to_true@anonymous.disqus.net To true 88.105.176.39 wp_id=150454;date=2008-05-09 13:17:16-04:00 2008-05-09T17:17:16Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=154205;date=2008-06-08 14:07:02-04:00 2008-06-08T18:07:02Z skarletbegonia1@gmail.com Hannah 71.62.185.118 wp_id=154209;date=2008-06-08 14:55:35-04:00 They were spying on the Student/Farmworker Alliance and the Coalition of Immokalee Workers. Will]]> 2008-06-08T18:55:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=229530;date=2009-10-11 14:27:44-04:00 2009-10-11T18:27:44Z veganbrian420@gmail.com Vegan B. 64.255.180.124 wp_id=150455;date=2008-05-09 13:31:41-04:00 2008-05-09T17:31:41Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=152138;date=2008-05-23 18:43:05-04:00 2008-05-23T22:43:05Z graveside_violet@yahoo.com Violet 209.60.99.189 wp_id=152140;date=2008-05-23 18:51:20-04:00 2008-05-23T22:51:20Z graveside_violet@yahoo.com Violet 209.60.99.189 wp_id=150448;date=2008-05-09 11:40:14-04:00
I was about to ask if you knew who first coined the term "eco-terrorist," but found this after some searching:
The word “eco-terrorist” first appeared in a March 1990 article in The Oregonian about a “tree-spiking” tactic used by the environmental group Earth First!. Three months later, Rep. Denny Smith (R-Or.) deployed the term in a stage-managed White House meeting to lobby against stricter environmental legislation in the Pacific Northwest.

So some reporter, not the government or a corporation, came up with the word without thinking too much about it. Media framing in action.]]> 2008-05-09T15:40:14Z ansel@riseup.net Ansel 24.174.11.24 wp_id=150456;date=2008-05-09 13:35:46-04:00 2008-05-09T17:35:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=150457;date=2008-05-09 13:36:22-04:00 Regarding the name of your blog, when I first heard about it, I thought you were trying to say that being "green" was in fashion. And I was like, "Why didn't he say 'green is the new black'?" (as in black is always in fashion -- little black dress, for example). And then, of course, I read your blog and realized why you call it "green is the new red." :)]]> 2008-05-09T17:36:22Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=150459;date=2008-05-09 13:48:17-04:00 PinkIsTheNewBlog.com?" Ha ha. Maybe I should turn this into a gossip/fashion blog! All the latest news about what "eco-terrorist" celebrities are wearing this season (probably black, black and more black).]]> 2008-05-09T17:48:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=150482;date=2008-05-09 17:37:08-04:00 2008-05-09T21:37:08Z fauberrs@gmail.cm rachel 136.160.160.4 wp_id=150561;date=2008-05-10 12:34:58-04:00
when will these scare tactics end? when will the government start addressing the real issues...the environmental problems, the spying, animal cruelty, etc etc. it feels like were losing any sort of momentum in dealing with these cases.]]> 2008-05-10T16:34:58Z kevin@anonymous.disqus.net kevin 75.42.233.9 wp_id=150574;date=2008-05-10 15:16:59-04:00 Nothing should shock us anymore I guess.]]> 2008-05-10T19:16:59Z kalanu@anonymous.disqus.net Kalanu 154.5.40.23 wp_id=150700;date=2008-05-11 16:28:22-04:00
He told Lauren Weiner "he no longer believed that non-violent protest was working; that he told the others what they were doing was a crime; that his preferred target was the Institute of Forest Genetics, the so-called 'tree factory'; that he knew that people were living at that facility, and that he was indifferent to the possibility that someone might be accidentally killed as a result of that attack." He deserves all the time he got.


His sentence is not the unusual for this type of case a few other examples are the following,


Antigovernment extremist Charles Ray Polk is indicted by a federal grand jury for plotting to blow up the Internal Revenue Service building in Austin, Tex. At the time of his arrest, Polk is trying to purchase plastic explosives. He will be sentenced the following year to almost 21 years in federal prison.


Tax protester Joseph Martin Bailie is arrested for trying to blow up the Internal Revenue Service building in Reno, Nev. He will be sentenced to 36 years



Seven members of the Mountaineer Militia are arrested in a plot to blow up the FBI’s national fingerprint records center in West Virginia. In 1998, leader Floyd "Ray" Looker, will be sentenced to 18 years in prison.


Three Ku Klux Klan members are arrested in a plot to blow up a natural gas refinery outside Fort Worth, Texas. The three, along with a fourth arrested later, planned to blow up the refinery, killing hundreds of people including children at a nearby school, as a diversion for a simultaneous armored car robbery. All four will plead guilty to conspiracy charges and be sentenced to terms of up to 20 years.]]> 2008-05-11T20:28:22Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=150710;date=2008-05-11 17:36:44-04:00 What you're trying to offer as evidence of McDavid's recklessness and violent nature is PR material from the U.S. Attorney. Come on now.

The examples you cut and pasted from this website are different from this case for a few reasons, namely the intent to murder human beings (hundreds at a nearby school, in your last example) and also the lack of a government agent who financed, pushed and motivated the group into action.

I think it's quite reactionary to respond to FBI tactics like this, which should scare everyone regardless of their politics, simply because you're so against McDavid's beliefs.]]> 2008-05-11T21:36:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=150716;date=2008-05-11 18:14:25-04:00 http://stj911.org/
http://stj911.org/evidence/for...
You have been warned.
The descent into fascism has begun.]]> 2008-05-11T22:14:25Z ratzinger@comcast.net rat 67.174.207.100 wp_id=150735;date=2008-05-11 21:38:57-04:00
We just upgraded security measures to try and protect staff and grounds from eco-terrorist. I work in the field most of the time, but I shudder to think what if some nutjob like McDavid were to set off a device while my wife was there.

I know that so far no act of eco-terrorism has resulted in a human death, but law of averages being what they are say that will change if violence like what McDavid planned continues.]]> 2008-05-12T01:38:57Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.3 wp_id=150826;date=2008-05-12 13:34:12-04:00
I am also opposed to violence, even arson that has little to no chance of harming anyone. I also think that if Eric was going to commit violence, that he should be ashamed.

But the person who would REALLY kill people in a case like this would do so without the government pushing, romancing, and financing them into it.

What did the FBI actually accomplish? Do you think Tim Mcvay would be dissuaded by Eric's sentence of 20 years?

No - if anyone poses a threat to your wife, they are still out there and the government has wasted time and money and this person's life because they were a soft target and the real violent criminals are too much of a challenge.

You and your wife are LESS safe due to operations such as this one.

Lazy cops are still lazy cops at any level.]]> 2008-05-12T17:34:12Z gir@anonymous.disqus.net Gir 76.164.17.222 wp_id=150849;date=2008-05-12 17:50:24-04:00
It's a wonder that Joe doesn't feel terrorized by whatever his government is putting (or allowing to be put) into our air, our water.... has he seen the cancer stats lately? His wife is more likely to die from accumulated toxins, household chemicals, and radiation exposure than she is from direct action. This idea that she's ever "safe" while at work is so narrow. What about global warming, Joe? What about the very real - and universal- threats of environmental destruction that McDavid and others feel so powerfully?

I am a very serious environmental activist, but if anybody started talking to me about blowing anything up, I would immediately assume that they were, 1. an FBI agent or 2. Out of their freaking minds. I think that McDavid was totally set up, but he also sounds incredibly naive.]]> 2008-05-12T21:50:24Z demarcatedlandscapes@yahoo.com Lozen 70.167.213.34 wp_id=150874;date=2008-05-12 21:34:31-04:00 2008-05-13T01:34:31Z veganshawn@yahoo.com shawn 199.108.76.28 wp_id=150932;date=2008-05-13 14:44:56-04:00
"The Camden 28 were a group of "Catholic left" anti-Vietnam War activists who in 1971 planned and executed a raid on a Camden, New Jersey draft board. The raid resulted in a high-profile trial against the activists that was seen by many as a referendum on the Vietnam War."

The trial
"By the time that The Camden 28 were brought to trial in the Spring of 1973, their case was viewed by many as a referendum on the Vietnam War. Each of the 28 faced seven felony charges stemming from the raid and more than 40 years in prison if convicted. The 28 chose to be tried together.

Immediately prior to the trial they were offered a plea-bargain whereby they would each plead guilty to a single misdemeanor charge and the rest of the charges would be dropped. After intense discussion the 28 decided that they would not take the plea and that as political activists they preferred to be put on trial.

Unfortunately for the prosecution, its star witness Bob Hardy was feeling that he had been betrayed by the government. Hardy maintained that from the start of his interaction with the FBI he sought and received assurances that none of his co-conspirators in the raid would see any jail time. Now, as the trial loomed ahead, each of the "28" was facing more than 40 years in prison.

For the FBI and the prosecution, the cost of betraying Hardy in this fashion was to lose him as a friendly witness. Scorned, Hardy would now, in fact, testify extensively for the defense. Hardy would testify regarding the extent to which the FBI encouraged and enabled the raid on the draft board to take place. Through Hardy's testimony, the raid came across as being funded and driven by the FBI, and the defense was able to argue effectively that through the FBI, the government "over-reached" in its zeal to arrest and prosecute this particular set of anti-war activists.

On May 20, 1973, the jury returned "not guilty" verdicts for all counts against all 28 defendants, acquitting them."]]> 2008-05-13T18:44:56Z adam@farmusa.org a 71.191.34.142 wp_id=167155;date=2008-08-30 11:25:47-04:00 If he DID carry out the action and they just HAD to stop a person who loved the earth more than those apes do, then i'd say a couple months is the shortest then he leaves.

What a great, great man!!]]> 2008-08-30T15:25:47Z amberpeiffer12@yahoo.com TheRat 206.74.54.61 wp_id=222930;date=2009-06-17 23:38:43-04:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...]]> 2009-06-18T03:38:43Z garysbasem3nt@yahoo.com . 74.68.26.130 wp_id=222956;date=2009-06-18 09:29:30-04:00 2009-06-18T13:29:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=194906;date=2009-02-05 23:08:46-05:00 2009-02-06T04:08:46Z hegi1@msn.com ryan 76.20.139.53 wp_id=195099;date=2009-02-06 10:53:50-05:00 2009-02-06T15:53:50Z kstenquist76@hotmail.com Kristin 68.41.161.70 wp_id=195169;date=2009-02-06 15:09:16-05:00 2009-02-06T20:09:16Z cschull@susquehannahealth.oeg Conrad 72.55.42.68 wp_id=195183;date=2009-02-06 16:04:58-05:00 Genetic engineering just means altering the sequence of DNA. It happens every time one of morons unfortunately reproduces.]]> 2009-02-06T21:04:58Z jinjit82@gmail.com someone 131.215.6.134 wp_id=202491;date=2009-02-26 13:50:22-05:00
You think you're being so liberal and promote "peace and love" while not realizing what a worthless hypocrite you are. You're not standing up for any cause; you just like the pretty mask to hide behind.

And ryan, is not not blatantly fucking obvious to you why the fucking water in Africa is full of toxins and pollutants of civilization or are you that fucking dull not to put two and two together?

Sewer systems?? Crops?

Ever occur to you that once upon a time human feces was a fertilizer?]]> 2009-02-26T18:50:22Z sectrefocal1.2@gmail.com Natalie 70.63.86.14 wp_id=173807;date=2008-10-11 00:04:29-04:00 2008-10-11T04:04:29Z echovandecko@yahoo.com v 65.103.22.38 wp_id=151264;date=2008-05-16 13:03:34-04:00 2008-05-16T17:03:34Z shannon_york@hotmail.com Shannon 68.124.129.106 wp_id=151296;date=2008-05-16 18:26:57-04:00 2008-05-16T22:26:57Z martins.3489@aol.com Martin Smith 64.12.117.70 wp_id=151308;date=2008-05-16 19:00:19-04:00
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet. " Albert Einstein
For health & heart.... Go Vegan!]]> 2008-05-16T23:00:19Z bea.elliott@verizon.net Bea Elliott 71.122.135.64 wp_id=151340;date=2008-05-16 22:20:27-04:00 2008-05-17T02:20:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 63.229.27.4 wp_id=151526;date=2008-05-19 10:24:00-04:00
I see that you've used my picture up there. I have no problem with that, but I would really appreciate credit of some sort. Thanks! :)]]> 2008-05-19T14:24:00Z hannah@mysweetvegan.com Hannah 72.19.117.213 wp_id=151527;date=2008-05-19 10:31:28-04:00 2008-05-19T14:31:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=151528;date=2008-05-19 10:46:29-04:00 2008-05-19T14:46:29Z na@anonymous.disqus.net n/a 24.21.68.57 wp_id=152379;date=2008-05-25 11:45:23-04:00 2008-05-25T15:45:23Z govegan3@gmail.com Steve 66.44.125.50 wp_id=154222;date=2008-06-08 16:20:20-04:00 2008-06-08T20:20:20Z janine@riseup.net Jersey Fresh 71.255.59.252 wp_id=154235;date=2008-06-08 18:38:40-04:00 2008-06-08T22:38:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=156136;date=2008-06-22 21:07:19-04:00 2008-06-23T01:07:19Z darksembrace@hotmail.com hempsproutz 69.224.71.65 wp_id=156137;date=2008-06-22 21:09:28-04:00 2008-06-23T01:09:28Z darksembrace@hotmail.com hempsproutz 69.224.71.65 wp_id=173780;date=2008-10-10 21:49:14-04:00 2008-10-11T01:49:14Z dc@anonymous.disqus.net dc 207.172.94.150 wp_id=178667;date=2008-11-15 13:29:52-05:00 2008-11-15T18:29:52Z lolo@anonymous.disqus.net lolo 74.233.16.100 wp_id=222374;date=2009-06-09 14:33:19-04:00 2009-06-09T18:33:19Z youthagainstanimalcruelty@gmail.com Youth Against Animal Cruelty 76.6.133.236 wp_id=225754;date=2009-08-06 13:33:12-04:00
Oh, but they're "social justice groups", and there's a huge difference, I guess, between "violating people's privacy" and say, sending people to tresspass on public schools wearing ridiculous animal costumes and handing out propaganda.

Uh huh.]]> 2009-08-06T17:33:12Z liutenantsalt@aol.com Vegan Hypocrisy 205.188.116.70 wp_id=225760;date=2009-08-06 15:21:09-04:00
Gee, your propagandic spin makes it sound like these so-called "activists" were doing nothing but sitting around on their asses until the FBI plant came along and FORCED them to engage in these violent crimes and tendencies prevalent in so many such groups. Hell, "poked and prodded the group into action" makes it sound like these people were almost apathetic to their own cause before the plant came along and coerced them into their own beliefs.

Imagine, if you will, a mafia mobster who gets arrested by an undercover agent and then proclaims to the court; "But your honor! *I* didn't participate in drug trafficking, robbery, extortion, prostitution and assasination! It was the undercover informant! He MADE me do it!"]]> 2009-08-06T19:21:09Z liutenantsalt@aol.com Vegan Hypocrisy 205.188.116.70 wp_id=231057;date=2009-11-05 19:27:40-05:00
I must say, though, if the FBI ever came asking me to be an informant I'd do it just to give them all sorts of crazy misinformation and have them searching in all the wrong places and I'd never have to worry about slipping up and saying the wrong thing around the wrong person because I'd be that wrong person! I'd absolutely relish wasting their time and money! I'd even tell all my friends!

Then again... now that I think of it, it's still a little creepy to think of myself working for the government... so maybe not, even if it does mean that I get to fuck with them.]]> 2009-11-06T00:27:40Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.66.139 wp_id=153701;date=2008-06-04 16:02:26-04:00 2008-06-04T20:02:26Z uaaf-tv@anonymous.disqus.net UAAF-TV 88.105.203.221 wp_id=153709;date=2008-06-04 16:41:02-04:00 2008-06-04T20:41:02Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 71.93.35.82 wp_id=153723;date=2008-06-04 19:47:12-04:00 2008-06-04T23:47:12Z kim@anonymous.disqus.net Kim 67.40.216.77 wp_id=153729;date=2008-06-04 21:41:04-04:00 2008-06-05T01:41:04Z ansel@riseup.net ansel 24.174.11.24 wp_id=153737;date=2008-06-04 23:09:32-04:00 2008-06-05T03:09:32Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 207.119.107.231 wp_id=153767;date=2008-06-05 07:11:26-04:00
Besides, think of how many people will stumble across you when searching for harry potter puppet shows!]]> 2008-06-05T11:11:26Z deboradurant@yahoo.com Deb 63.167.255.153 wp_id=153805;date=2008-06-05 11:43:33-04:00 2008-06-05T15:43:33Z amy@seashepherd.org Amy 64.91.53.216 wp_id=153871;date=2008-06-05 19:04:27-04:00 2008-06-05T23:04:27Z fauberrs@gmail.cm rachel 68.34.17.12 wp_id=154228;date=2008-06-08 17:27:25-04:00
There are bad apples on Youtube that just flame and flag any AR videos, because they are insecure maybe?

Well, despite how nice it is to share such info, there will be those who love to oppress on the internet also. Just thought I'd mention this.]]> 2008-06-08T21:27:25Z thy_sacred_chicken@hotmail.com pesky_one 66.18.243.178 wp_id=154230;date=2008-06-08 17:29:40-04:00
There are bad apples on Youtube also. Lots of'em.

They go on bashing other vegan related videos for no reason. Insecurity maybe? Well, there's lots of flagging and hating. So yeah.

Should see how many videos related to AR have "disabled comments." It's that bad...

Just thought I'd mention this. Handy to watch, yet the number of misguided users...very bad.]]> 2008-06-08T21:29:40Z thy_sacred_chicken@hotmail.com pesky_one 66.18.243.178 wp_id=153781;date=2008-06-05 09:19:08-04:00
http://www.starhawk.org/activi...]]> 2008-06-05T13:19:08Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.184 wp_id=153782;date=2008-06-05 09:23:14-04:00
Ironically, the empty boxes the police had brought to load up the seedballs were marked "Explosives," "Pepper Spray Balls," "Rubber Bullets." Since they turned our seeds into weapons, I felt it would only be fair to do the reverse. But I've tried it and it doesn't work. No matter how many pepper spray balls you bury, you won't get a single chile pepper, and planting rubber bullets will not grow any rubber trees.
]]> 2008-06-05T13:23:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=153985;date=2008-06-06 14:29:15-04:00 2008-06-06T18:29:15Z chad@foodfightgrocery.com Chad 76.27.230.198 wp_id=153991;date=2008-06-06 16:03:22-04:00 2008-06-06T20:03:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=154054;date=2008-06-07 01:54:51-04:00 2008-06-07T05:54:51Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 75.128.14.45 wp_id=154108;date=2008-06-07 12:32:24-04:00 2008-06-07T16:32:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=154221;date=2008-06-08 16:16:36-04:00 WHO? Oh NO they didn't..."]]> 2008-06-08T20:16:36Z janine@riseup.net Jersey Fresh 71.255.59.252 wp_id=154234;date=2008-06-08 18:36:29-04:00 2008-06-08T22:36:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=154263;date=2008-06-08 22:45:54-04:00 2008-06-09T02:45:54Z dave@inslide.com warwak 66.190.51.9 wp_id=154318;date=2008-06-09 08:31:13-04:00 2008-06-09T12:31:13Z luvchrb@msn.com eileen scanlon 216.114.92.26 wp_id=154319;date=2008-06-09 08:32:49-04:00 2008-06-09T12:32:49Z luvchrb@msn.com eileen scanlon 216.114.92.26 wp_id=154349;date=2008-06-09 12:46:14-04:00 2008-06-09T16:46:14Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=154396;date=2008-06-09 20:29:37-04:00 2008-06-10T00:29:37Z jenn.kaplan@yahoo.com Jenn Kaplan 67.183.26.19 wp_id=155506;date=2008-06-18 17:18:21-04:00 2008-06-18T21:18:21Z goldencalfparty@hotmail.com Respectable Mike 69.134.243.119 wp_id=155516;date=2008-06-18 18:36:51-04:00 2008-06-18T22:36:51Z goldencalfparty@hotmail.com Respectable Mike 69.134.243.119 wp_id=155517;date=2008-06-18 18:46:42-04:00 2008-06-18T22:46:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=201453;date=2009-02-23 23:55:57-05:00 2009-02-24T04:55:57Z you@anonymous.disqus.net You 68.59.42.247 wp_id=155549;date=2008-06-19 00:04:11-04:00 just sayin' is all]]> 2008-06-19T04:04:11Z chuck@anonymous.disqus.net chuck 70.187.150.134 wp_id=155258;date=2008-06-17 15:38:17-04:00 2008-06-17T19:38:17Z joe1martinez@yahoo.com Joseph 148.84.31.135 wp_id=155259;date=2008-06-17 15:41:22-04:00 2008-06-17T19:41:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=155260;date=2008-06-17 15:44:36-04:00
I just realized that I put "H" intead of "J" as Smith's middle initial. Woe is me.]]> 2008-06-17T19:44:36Z joe1martinez@yahoo.com Joseph 148.84.31.135 wp_id=155287;date=2008-06-17 19:42:43-04:00
I hope they're kidding.]]> 2008-06-17T23:42:43Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 75.128.8.194 wp_id=155448;date=2008-06-18 09:27:01-04:00 "Pro-Test," which has received some pretty silly news coverage about them standing up to the evil protesters.]]> 2008-06-18T13:27:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=155462;date=2008-06-18 11:20:29-04:00
The media shouldn't be comparing this movie to "Thank You for Smoking" since the latter is an anti-smoking satire, not a pro-"corporations that kill" piece.

And I've said it before here, but I'll say it again. I hate Wesley J. Smith and anyone like him.]]> 2008-06-18T15:20:29Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=167423;date=2008-09-01 03:38:47-04:00 2008-09-01T07:38:47Z daniellefilm@aol.com Danielle 71.109.110.116 wp_id=156140;date=2008-06-22 21:34:34-04:00 2008-06-23T01:34:34Z linders01@comcast.net Linda Rettstatt 71.240.110.242 wp_id=156188;date=2008-06-23 03:51:33-04:00 2008-06-23T07:51:33Z pixie158@hotmail.com Carol McPhee 24.137.80.180 wp_id=156317;date=2008-06-23 19:39:21-04:00 2008-06-23T23:39:21Z dwilkes5@yahoo.com deb wilkes 69.14.177.242 wp_id=155694;date=2008-06-20 00:36:16-04:00 2008-06-20T04:36:16Z farmgirl.drygoods@gmail.com farmgirl 76.105.181.134 wp_id=156333;date=2008-06-23 21:12:08-04:00 2008-06-24T01:12:08Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=155983;date=2008-06-21 20:04:42-04:00 2008-06-22T00:04:42Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.227.54.197 wp_id=156611;date=2008-06-25 02:37:01-04:00 2008-06-25T06:37:01Z dennisanderton@gmail.com Eri 124.105.73.67 wp_id=181081;date=2008-12-03 16:13:40-05:00 2008-12-03T21:13:40Z caitlin_kristin_shelby_jaco@anonymous.disqus.net Caitlin, Kristin, Shelby, Jaco 76.7.2.144 wp_id=204015;date=2009-03-03 04:29:14-05:00 2009-03-03T09:29:14Z george@anonymous.disqus.net George 146.201.176.14 wp_id=156167;date=2008-06-23 01:26:50-04:00
http://www.spiraldiner.com/mai...]]> 2008-06-23T05:26:50Z haymarketsquare@gmail.com jake 24.22.98.57 wp_id=156213;date=2008-06-23 07:03:59-04:00 2008-06-23T11:03:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=158052;date=2008-07-03 00:48:51-04:00
And why are they just now saying Dallas is ruled by ARAs? -we left a long time ago :)]]> 2008-07-03T04:48:51Z jason@zombie-popcorn.com Bayless 72.218.123.123 wp_id=158095;date=2008-07-03 07:39:25-04:00 2008-07-03T11:39:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=158234;date=2008-07-04 01:25:05-04:00 Oh and before I get protested...I'm with Will.]]> 2008-07-04T05:25:05Z cgabioud@gmail.com Christine Gabioud 99.147.129.226 wp_id=160219;date=2008-07-17 22:16:34-04:00 Will, I think I still have free tokens for that place... :)]]> 2008-07-18T02:16:34Z ridepdx@gmail.com Krissy 76.105.252.192 wp_id=160226;date=2008-07-17 23:05:42-04:00 2008-07-18T03:05:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.4.7.29 wp_id=160528;date=2008-07-20 00:15:32-04:00 2008-07-20T04:15:32Z jason@zombie-popcorn.com Bayless 72.218.127.218 wp_id=155819;date=2008-06-20 19:49:16-04:00 2008-06-20T23:49:16Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.142.26.160 wp_id=156318;date=2008-06-23 19:47:12-04:00 MilitaryLoveLinks.com

I wonder why the computer people think I'd care to click on that.]]> 2008-06-23T23:47:12Z nboli@cogeco.ca Nick B 24.141.95.151 wp_id=156323;date=2008-06-23 20:24:54-04:00 2008-06-24T00:24:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=156832;date=2008-06-25 20:31:18-04:00
Keep fighting the good fight. We'll do the same. Long live ALF!]]> 2008-06-26T00:31:18Z rita.silva@animal.org.pt Rita 92.250.54.225 wp_id=157052;date=2008-06-27 00:40:51-04:00 2008-06-27T04:40:51Z ian@anonymous.disqus.net Ian 70.57.107.189 wp_id=157174;date=2008-06-27 18:19:37-04:00
No one on this blog said that animals or you have souls, and no one said they or the human species should be considered individuals. But.....congratulations... your thesis illustrates the big picture of what is wrong with our culture.]]> 2008-06-27T22:19:37Z haha@hotmail.com Ishmael 67.188.217.194 wp_id=159356;date=2008-07-11 19:36:14-04:00 2008-07-11T23:36:14Z jill@anonymous.disqus.net Jill 71.59.242.183 wp_id=164665;date=2008-08-09 22:47:21-04:00 2008-08-10T02:47:21Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.88.199 wp_id=167153;date=2008-08-30 11:22:42-04:00 And of course Bush.
She is the one who should be put it jail for years.
Same with many many other people, but NOT animal rights activists.]]> 2008-08-30T15:22:42Z amberpeiffer12@yahoo.com TheRat 206.74.54.61 wp_id=156224;date=2008-06-23 09:40:47-04:00 Some would say that this thinking ties the hands of fundraisers. Nobody wants that. Not really. But we can perhaps use products with a statement about how much goes to the cause, who produces the product, an option to just send the profit and cut out the middlepeople.
Just my two-cents, after some appalling experiences with raising money and the truth behind it.]]> 2008-06-23T13:40:47Z llalx@yahoo.com lynn 70.44.20.88 wp_id=156232;date=2008-06-23 10:13:08-04:00
If you have (feasible) suggestions on covering some of these expenses without selling anything, please share. Best, Will]]> 2008-06-23T14:13:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=156242;date=2008-06-23 10:57:14-04:00 2008-06-23T14:57:14Z kandiss@gmail.com Kandiss Powell 216.146.85.26 wp_id=156270;date=2008-06-23 13:10:46-04:00
Like you, Will, I run websites that aren't for profit. I am willing to donate my time and skills, but somethings cost money - like hosting. I think your apron idea is a good one - and fits with the theme and readership of this blog.]]> 2008-06-23T17:10:46Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.227.54.197 wp_id=156308;date=2008-06-23 17:17:57-04:00 2008-06-23T21:17:57Z andrea.cottin@gmail.com ann dare 76.18.65.73 wp_id=156361;date=2008-06-23 22:39:19-04:00
Would also like to know what the stickers are made of.]]> 2008-06-24T02:39:19Z garbage365@comcast.net MCR 67.167.123.149 wp_id=156581;date=2008-06-24 22:06:02-04:00 P.S.
Is the "greenisthenewred.com" website address printed on it?]]> 2008-06-25T02:06:02Z animaliberation831@yahoo.com Delmar831 65.249.61.66 wp_id=156661;date=2008-06-25 07:04:39-04:00 2008-06-25T11:04:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=157796;date=2008-07-01 14:27:39-04:00
can't wait to get our apron, thanks for making something fun and engaging will.]]> 2008-07-01T18:27:39Z josh.herbivore@gmail.com joshivore 76.105.173.0 wp_id=157797;date=2008-07-01 14:35:17-04:00 Herbivore, and CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME.]]> 2008-07-01T18:35:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 63.150.101.242 wp_id=158160;date=2008-07-03 14:57:49-04:00 2008-07-03T18:57:49Z chloedietz@gmail.com Chloe 24.90.30.186 wp_id=158163;date=2008-07-03 15:26:56-04:00
It's easy to nitpick and shake fingers, it's much harder to actually make positive contributions that help bring about change.

I'll reiterate my request that if you, or anyone, have feasible suggestions of ways to cover basic operating costs without selling anything, please let me know.

Until then:

This will be the last response I post to negative comments in this thread. If you feel it is appropriate to issue condemnations of me or this site, and the production of 100 silly aprons, go right ahead. However, this is an all-volunteer project, and we feel there are more pressing tasks at hand.

Best,
Will Potter]]> 2008-07-03T19:26:56Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 63.150.101.242 wp_id=163235;date=2008-08-02 07:16:42-04:00 2008-08-02T11:16:42Z jason_3rd@yahoo.com ozzy 203.87.179.210 wp_id=168240;date=2008-09-05 21:09:04-04:00
I don't think selling stuff on your site makes you a “capitalist” if you do it in order to keep the site up and running. To me a Capitalist is someone or a corporation that's out to make a profit, and does so even if it exploits others in some way.]]> 2008-09-06T01:09:04Z kenny@winstor.com Kenny 69.87.52.49 wp_id=170774;date=2008-09-20 12:18:42-04:00
However I completely agree with what MCR said and I'm also concerned:

"I don’t have a problem with this, as long as you need an apron, you may as well support a good cause, but I do hope this is made with organic cotton or hemp.

Would also like to know what the stickers are made of." -MCR]]> 2008-09-20T16:18:42Z intentionalsound@gmail.com Mïsha 74.210.89.24 wp_id=171293;date=2008-09-26 13:40:44-04:00 2008-09-26T17:40:44Z melmcg0013@gmail.com Mel 67.152.83.146 wp_id=171294;date=2008-09-26 13:45:02-04:00
Those enchiladas sound so good right now. (And a margarita or two!)]]> 2008-09-26T17:45:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=175500;date=2008-10-22 22:32:50-04:00
oh. hi. nice website.]]> 2008-10-23T02:32:50Z lauren@anonymous.disqus.net lauren 24.91.10.77 wp_id=176690;date=2008-10-29 17:12:13-04:00 2008-10-29T21:12:13Z berg_dianne@yahoo.com Desdemona 68.118.230.124 wp_id=181412;date=2008-12-07 14:16:36-05:00
you can't even start a positive web site and sell something for a reasonable price to support yourself without it being related to evil capitalism, wal-mart, genocide!!!!

It's people like this that make people that were thinking of becoming vegetarian turn the other way. It's people like this that make people that were thinking of doing something positive just continue doing nothing. All of the vegetarians are just as bad as carnivores, trader joes is just as bad as wal-mart, obama is just as bad as hitler people drive me absolutely insane.

i really believe that there are a lot of people that don't want progression to happen. they absolutely need bad things around them to have something to complain about. it's not really about the animals or the environment for them. it's about how they are better, sacrifice more, and are smarter then all the other people around them. why else would they push for things that hurt their own cause?

moderate activists are what actually change things. i guess what i'm saying is that cheyney and rove are criminals, but at least they further their cause. our cheyney and roves would just make sure that we didn't get elected.]]> 2008-12-07T19:16:36Z ricky@anonymous.disqus.net ricky 69.224.45.91 wp_id=181497;date=2008-12-08 12:59:38-05:00
I would like to know where it comes from though which seems not to have been answered. Is this an American-made product?

I rarely buy new things anymore, so if I can't get them used, I like to know they are sweatshop free at least. Can you let us know? I am not asking to be a dick and I totally understand why you are selling stuff. But, I feel the same way about sweatshops that I do about farms.]]> 2008-12-08T17:59:38Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 130.49.138.191 wp_id=182198;date=2008-12-16 10:00:03-05:00
I can't afford any of this until next year. But, I will eventually buy it.

Oh, and to Ricky, if people debating about capitalism on an internet blog affects you so negatively that it stops you from becoming vegetarian (something personal and unrelated) then I doubt you were going to become veggie in the first place. It's people who desperately look for any reason to give up that are the real harm to the movement. Now, I am not saying that you are like this, unless this little debate really did destroy all hope in vegetarianism for you. But, personal responsibility is far too lacking in people whether they be extremist or moderate.

If you want to go vegetarian and support certain movements, do it for your own reasons. Who cares what anyone else does? If every vegan on the planet suddenly bombed a group of puppies babies, I wouldn't stop being vegan because I am vegan for my own reasons- the animals, the environment, my health, etc. Who cares what anyone else does?]]> 2008-12-16T15:00:03Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 130.49.138.191 wp_id=182202;date=2008-12-16 11:59:30-05:00 2008-12-16T16:59:30Z kim@anonymous.disqus.net Kim 71.197.165.174 wp_id=182205;date=2008-12-16 12:59:08-05:00
i'd rather have people throwing plastic bags in the mississippi and beating puppies on the 5 o clock news, then have someone say that we shouldn't sell things to make money. guess who's going to change more minds?

as far as people debating about capitalism on an internet blog (14 year old punk rockers that have read emma goldman pamphlets) i would hope that my constitution is a bit stronger then to change the way i live. my point was that silly statements are going to change people that are trying to find their way, not those that have already made their decision. so i'll continue to have conversations with people in why i eat and live the way i do. you go ahead and start the conversation with "you know you shouldn't buy things" and we'll see who gets farther.

lastly, don't type on a computer that is going to be being inhaled by an 8 year old in a 3rd world country in a few years while complaining about aprons. people love to complain about what others do while they do nothing.]]> 2008-12-16T17:59:08Z ricky@anonymous.disqus.net ricky 69.224.45.91 wp_id=182212;date=2008-12-16 14:04:09-05:00 Amazon.com. But geez Louise, don't drop those gripes here.

I think these tongue-in-cheek items are smart, funny, and help bring about public awareness in a clever and light-hearted way.
The eco and animal rights movements need all the positive counter-propaganda we can get. So pay no attention to the naysayers....keep it up!]]> 2008-12-16T19:04:09Z jo@jotyler.com Jo Tyler 24.61.155.127 wp_id=182227;date=2008-12-16 16:30:42-05:00 http://www.dell.com/content/to...

And, I understand what you are saying. We need to get along and not fight. But, to many of us, capitalism is the root problem of animal issues, environment, human rights, etc. So, it's not far fetched to discuss it, especially when the problems with it can be dealt with (you can see that the booty shorts are from a sweatshop free company now).

It is the fact that we challenge each other that makes each other think. If we turn off someone who is not self confident, they will have another chance. All we are doing is pushing each other to be the best we can. I don't think Mr. Potter was offended by the requests. He honored them and bought from a new company. So, now we have something vegan ad sweatshop-free. It seems like a win win to me.]]> 2008-12-16T21:30:42Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 130.49.138.191 wp_id=182232;date=2008-12-16 17:33:48-05:00 I need that apron. I'm clumsy as hell in general, but especially when I cook. I'll ruin less clothing, make more sauces, and create more yumminess to feed my big veggie booty. Hooray!
Keep up the good work, Will. Dropping knowledge costs money. Those of us who you've helped to inform will support you with either our slim donations, purchases of coochie shorts, or well wishes.

If anyone can tell me where I can find vegan tamales in San Antonio, please lemme know. These posts are making me hungry.]]> 2008-12-16T22:33:48Z aja.van.dyke@gmail.com Afrodite 72.177.143.95 wp_id=182352;date=2008-12-17 23:44:41-05:00
the first response to something that was a good, smart, positive idea included some of these gems.
"I have a lot of concerns about the popular use of selling items to earn money"
"Perhaps it is just ingrained in our culture that we have to “get” something before we support something"
they're not invalid statements, but it says something about the way some peoples immediate response and negativity towards everything. It also feels as though there's someone running their nails down a chalkboard every time i read "i have a lot of concerns about the popular use of selling items to earn money" i just don't even know where i would begin in dissecting that statement. it does show a form of extremism and ignorance that is annoying and in a way dangerous . the second statement about having to get something before we support something is really insulting to people that sacrifice in their every day lives including their time, money, convenience, the list goes on.

recycling your computer would go into the same category. companies that claim to recycle are sending the outdated equipment out of the country for profit so it can be melted down by the poor. it's what i was talking about with children in other countries that are inhaling our old computers. they're the recyclers. i guess what i should do is tell you that what you're doing is bad and a part of the problem. instead i applaud people that take the time to at least try and hopefully we can continue to find better ways to do things and progress. would the first thing you would say to someone trying to collect and recycle equipment that they're perpetuating human greed and consumption by providing a service that makes it easier to consume more and more? or would you say thank you?]]> 2008-12-18T04:44:41Z rickysiebold@gmail.com ricky 69.224.45.91 wp_id=200989;date=2009-02-22 19:45:42-05:00 2009-02-23T00:45:42Z k06rw02@kzoo.edu Norah 70.242.133.238 wp_id=203881;date=2009-03-02 16:13:31-05:00 2009-03-02T21:13:31Z dante23452@yahoo.com Dante 74.33.111.122 wp_id=204090;date=2009-03-03 11:27:42-05:00 2009-03-03T16:27:42Z byrneaa@hotmail.com Ashley 72.63.38.249 wp_id=204447;date=2009-03-04 18:55:19-05:00 2009-03-04T23:55:19Z info@narn.org NARN 69.71.181.30 wp_id=205044;date=2009-03-06 20:34:34-05:00 Look - I don't have any magical solutions, but I agree that it would be nice if we could push ourselves to support the causes that we believe in without shopping. Hemp and Sweatshop free or not.
People always ask me - "well what do I get for becoming a member?" I say "you get to support a local non-profit that advocates for animals". Putting together membership perks just takes time from what we could be doing for animals. I'm sure that Will spent a good amount of time putting together the apron deal.

Anyway - Will thanks for all that you are doing.
I'll send a donation, but not through PayPal because I severly dislike them.]]> 2009-03-07T01:34:34Z rachel@narn.org biker 192.122.250.250 wp_id=208122;date=2009-03-17 15:51:15-04:00 2009-03-17T19:51:15Z strike_x321@yahoo.com Dr David Mitchell 90.204.97.122 wp_id=208123;date=2009-03-17 15:54:58-04:00 2009-03-17T19:54:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=210030;date=2009-03-23 13:38:22-04:00 2009-03-23T17:38:22Z jakannan@vt.edu Kavitha K 67.172.215.188 wp_id=210037;date=2009-03-23 13:51:45-04:00 2009-03-23T17:51:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=213095;date=2009-03-31 01:09:13-04:00
But American Apparel? I have serious issues with their view of women and their head of company's actions. Without going into a diatribe, I just really hate thinking that you guys actually gave them money. That said, I understand that any money I spend on them now goes to you guys so I am totally buying them shorts!]]> 2009-03-31T05:09:13Z taurralynne@gmail.com TaurraLynne 76.105.238.151 wp_id=217481;date=2009-04-15 16:44:34-04:00 2009-04-15T20:44:34Z john@anonymous.disqus.net John 198.60.233.2 wp_id=217490;date=2009-04-15 18:13:45-04:00
I'd love to. It's a lack of time, not interest. If anyone would like to volunteer to help out with creating fliers like this, please let me know!]]> 2009-04-15T22:13:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=223078;date=2009-06-20 10:32:27-04:00
but how do we know they were "bought" ....]]> 2009-06-20T14:32:27Z allyson1derland@gmail.com "shopper" 76.193.184.189 wp_id=227536;date=2009-09-05 04:13:03-04:00 2009-09-05T08:13:03Z fdegiac@yahoo.com frank 75.95.252.200 wp_id=231055;date=2009-11-05 18:58:38-05:00
I wish I could donate, but I'm flat broke right now. Maybe when my shitty job decides to pay me again I will buy an apron. I do get an awful lot of flower on myself while baking bread. :)]]> 2009-11-05T23:58:38Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.66.139 wp_id=231056;date=2009-11-05 19:00:33-05:00 2009-11-06T00:00:33Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.66.139 wp_id=231854;date=2009-11-23 03:38:04-05:00 2009-11-23T08:38:04Z mattwendellwyatt@yahoo.com Matt 130.39.0.208 wp_id=231869;date=2009-11-23 09:32:23-05:00 We use USPS. Sorry for any inconvenience. Perhaps there is another address you could use? Thanks!]]> 2009-11-23T14:32:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232635;date=2009-12-01 19:29:19-05:00 this might be silly, but it looks like the aprons are kinda short in the picture. they look like they stop mid-thigh. is this true? want to get one, but i'm a tall drink of water.]]> 2009-12-02T00:29:19Z r@anonymous.disqus.net R 71.234.132.120 wp_id=232648;date=2009-12-01 21:39:32-05:00 The aprons are adjustable at the neck--to give you an idea of fit, I'm about 6'3", and the apron comes down to about 4 inches above my knee (it can be longer by adjusting the neck all the way). Hope that helps! Will]]> 2009-12-02T02:39:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.125.159.35 wp_id=232825;date=2009-12-03 14:29:38-05:00 2009-12-03T19:29:38Z gumbycascadia@yahoo.com Gumby 67.189.32.214 wp_id=232826;date=2009-12-03 14:34:26-05:00 2009-12-03T19:34:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=233874;date=2009-12-21 16:46:24-05:00
I ordered a 'Domestic Terrorist' apron early in December and the money was taken from my account on December 9th, I have as yet, had no order confirmation or a dispatch date. Could you please let me know as soon as possible, when I might expect delivery.

Thank you.]]> 2009-12-21T21:46:24Z noiseandkisses303@hotmail.com Miss A Lyne 82.32.195.239 wp_id=233977;date=2009-12-24 18:29:49-05:00 I am concerned that as yet I have had no reply regarding my order. As I mentioned in my previous mail, you have had my payment since Dec 9th! Could you please let me know asap, what is going on.

I look forward to your reply.]]> 2009-12-24T23:29:49Z noiseandkisses303@hotmail.com Miss A Lyne 82.32.195.239 wp_id=234126;date=2009-12-29 10:30:47-05:00 This is the third message regarding the whereabouts of my order for a 'Domestic Terrorist' apron. The money was taken from my account on Dec 9th. I have had no order confirmation or dispatch notification. Could you please email me with details of if or when I can expect delivery or arrange a refund. Thank you.]]> 2009-12-29T15:30:47Z noiseandkisses303@hotmail.com Abi 82.32.195.239 wp_id=234173;date=2009-12-29 20:47:18-05:00 I received your comments, and have emailed you multiple times at noiseandkisses303@XXXXX. Please check your spam folder.

This is what I sent:
"I had sent you a follow-up email as soon as I received your original payment, requesting an additional PayPal of $5 to cover international shipping and fees from the U.S. I hadn't heard back. If this is ok with you, I can send it out ASAP. Or I can refund your payment."]]> 2009-12-30T01:47:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.30.59 wp_id=234244;date=2009-12-31 19:14:03-05:00 There are numerous union made and cooperative distributors, both within the u.s., and without that can create these goods. Support of sweatshops and distributors that exploit people may benefit a cause through increased revenue in the short term but in the long term display hypocricy, devalue virtues and echo the sentiments of so many corporations that have been shouted down by many of us for putting "profits over people." A clear line is drawn. Whether the "green" anarchist movement embraces exploitation for the defense of it's political prisoners remains to be seen. This is solely a criticism of a tactic of exploitation I find reprehensible and vanguardist, and have never condoned nor used in my projects. Very free market capitalist in nature. To make a point, dialogue and critical comments do not equate negative, as we suppose ourselves anarchists shouldn't we be able to voice our opinions, or should we toe a party line? I assume this is not what is intended by green is the new red?
That being said, good luck with the projects, and if you need a distributor that is cooperative, or union made the person responsible can feel free to contact me]]> 2010-01-01T00:14:03Z nilz61@hotmail.com Nilz 71.63.234.172 wp_id=156458;date=2008-06-24 13:54:58-04:00 2008-06-24T17:54:58Z amy@seashepherd.org Amy 64.91.53.216 wp_id=156535;date=2008-06-24 16:28:08-04:00 2008-06-24T20:28:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=157784;date=2008-07-01 12:48:43-04:00 2008-07-01T16:48:43Z michelle@herbivoreclothing.com michelle 71.236.155.157 wp_id=157798;date=2008-07-01 14:38:54-04:00 2008-07-01T18:38:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 63.150.101.242 wp_id=159740;date=2008-07-14 13:22:08-04:00 Thought you might be interested in this story:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/n...]]> 2008-07-14T17:22:08Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=159742;date=2008-07-14 13:43:34-04:00 2008-07-14T17:43:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 208.59.122.145 wp_id=159773;date=2008-07-14 19:25:50-04:00 2008-07-14T23:25:50Z eric@ananimalfriendlylife.com Eric 96.233.25.202 wp_id=159849;date=2008-07-15 08:37:19-04:00 2008-07-15T12:37:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=159858;date=2008-07-15 09:54:39-04:00 2008-07-15T13:54:39Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.173 wp_id=159919;date=2008-07-15 18:44:32-04:00 agents take note!
this is important shit!]]> 2008-07-15T22:44:32Z youfixedmyears@yahoo.com b 76.27.230.198 wp_id=159924;date=2008-07-15 20:28:49-04:00 2008-07-16T00:28:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=159933;date=2008-07-15 21:11:32-04:00 2008-07-16T01:11:32Z friendbackeast@anonymous.disqus.net friendbackeast 65.190.199.174 wp_id=159944;date=2008-07-15 23:04:40-04:00 a new housing development near San Diego, damage was assessed at
more than $50 million.
An investigative documentary maker who exposed extreme elements within the Animal Liberation Front was kidnapped and branded across the back with the letters "ALF".

ELF claimed responsibility for an arson fire that caused massive
destruction at Vail Ski Resort in October of 1998, damage
was assessed at $12 million.

The SHAC 7 ran a website encouraging people to harm members of HLS and their families.

In the UK, in February 2001, the managing director of HLS was brutally attacked by
three baseball-bat wielding thugs in the garage of his own home. Brian Cass was
hospitalized by the attack.

I have had death threats against myself and my family because I support hunting.

It is isulting when you try and make these groups sound like kids who are bored Will, they are terrorist! If you don't think so, lets see how you feel when someone calls at 3am and tells you that they are going to burn your house down with you and your family in it.]]> 2008-07-16T03:04:40Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=159991;date=2008-07-16 06:52:14-04:00 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/1...). Finally, the Brian Cass incident, the one act of violence I'm aware of, was in the UK, not the US. I've reported on the arsons at Vail, San Diego, and elsewhere, which, although extreme and dangerous, have never harmed anyone.

But beyond that, how do any of those incidents apply, in any way, to lawful, above-ground activists being harassed for simply using their First Amendment rights? Do you really think it's justified to harass and intimidate activists in the US based on a violent act overseas?]]> 2008-07-16T10:52:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.58.70.75 wp_id=159992;date=2008-07-16 07:02:44-04:00 2008-07-16T11:02:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.58.70.75 wp_id=160010;date=2008-07-16 08:27:54-04:00 How do you think the animals feel when you threaten them and their whole family with your rifle?

How do you think they feel when they are strapped into machines to have the latest house paint formula repeatedly injected into their eyes, nose and mouth?

Don't you think they feel terrorized?

How do you think they would feel if someone took them out of these situations and allowed them to live their own lives in peace and dignity? And if they found out that some people were willing to fundamentally dismantle the system of oppression that had kept them, and their families there? The ALF doesn't believe in harm to any being - human's included. That's as simple as it is.

Let me put it this way - you obviously care about the potential harm to human lives that you feel may come as a result of ALF activity. I believe that is a form of altruism. If you can stand up against activity that you think harms your fellow man, then that's what you will do - because you believe that's what is right. Individuals who participate in the ALF and ELF extend their circle of altruism to all creatures who are living in a system of oppression at the hands of their human counterparts.
Standing up for animals doesn't mean tearing down people - it means destroying the tools, buildings, and paradigms that allow the system to continue.

If someone were willing to burn down a vacant ski resort to keep your family from being slaughtered, would you be thankful, or would you want them to go to prison?

When you start believing that "violence" can be exacted on property and objects, but not to living, feeling beings - you are participating in a system of terrorism.]]> 2008-07-16T12:27:54Z lpachaud@farmsanctuary.org Liz 209.150.226.214 wp_id=160029;date=2008-07-16 12:10:45-04:00 2008-07-16T16:10:45Z youfixedmyears@yahoo.com b 24.21.184.237 wp_id=160813;date=2008-07-22 00:08:35-04:00 2008-07-22T04:08:35Z michelle@herbivoreclothing.com michelle 71.193.146.115 wp_id=160850;date=2008-07-22 06:33:59-04:00 2008-07-22T10:33:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.5.2.82 wp_id=161274;date=2008-07-24 00:54:35-04:00 2008-07-24T04:54:35Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=161392;date=2008-07-24 11:33:12-04:00
That was a pretty half-hearted response to Will's comments. Do you not feel the need to address him?

I also agree with Liz here. You're terrorizing animals with your gun for your self-interest. Atleast animal activists are doing what they do to help, and not taking lives in the process.]]> 2008-07-24T15:33:12Z theruggedcollectivist@riseup.net Joe 171.159.64.10 wp_id=220586;date=2009-05-18 10:04:19-04:00 2009-05-18T14:04:19Z robibrk@gmail.com Custom Building Products 92.37.57.12 wp_id=160050;date=2008-07-16 16:57:03-04:00 2008-07-16T20:57:03Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=160051;date=2008-07-16 17:11:41-04:00
Politically, I don't know what makes sense right now. I think it's totally unconscionable that Obama would support such an insane surveillance bill, but at the same time, like you said, what do you do?]]> 2008-07-16T21:11:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=160108;date=2008-07-17 02:53:06-04:00 If you're young then don't take my word for it, partipate and see what a fool they make of you, if you are old enough then how can you not see the same old bullshit recycled to us every 4 years?
We need better alternative than the ones they give us (and no, I don't mean endorsing a 3rd or 4th candidate)]]> 2008-07-17T06:53:06Z there_is_only_now@hotmail.com dani 71.81.75.120 wp_id=160182;date=2008-07-17 14:14:15-04:00 V for Vendetta
The Lives of Others
Children of Men

Okay, a bunch of books got there first, but people are more likely to watch movies, right? Then again, we're already living in the dystopic future, it would seem. These cautionary tales must've been dismissed as mere entertainment by far too many people.]]> 2008-07-17T18:14:15Z eric@ananimalfriendlylife.com Eric 72.248.63.70 wp_id=160183;date=2008-07-17 14:20:34-04:00 It baffles me how people can see any of the stuff going on now and NOT automatically think of movies and books like these. I remember seeing Gattaca and thinking "hmm, this could actually happen," and now, just a few years later, there are massive DNA databases being created of "terrorists."]]> 2008-07-17T18:20:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=160027;date=2008-07-16 11:49:37-04:00 2008-07-16T15:49:37Z dave@groundswellcollective.com James David 209.113.227.170 wp_id=160314;date=2008-07-18 11:06:47-04:00 2008-07-18T15:06:47Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=160486;date=2008-07-19 13:55:57-04:00 2008-07-19T17:55:57Z yorke@riseup.net yorke 71.223.205.41 wp_id=161164;date=2008-07-23 17:11:45-04:00 I couldn't view it. Its pretty sad when you see people like rupert murdoch censoring "extreme" ideas through myspace. I know its not really anything new but I just thought it kind of ironic due to the said blog being about wasted resources...]]> 2008-07-23T21:11:45Z jailbreak@anonymous.disqus.net Jailbreak 68.113.15.94 wp_id=161165;date=2008-07-23 17:14:32-04:00 2008-07-23T21:14:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=161250;date=2008-07-23 22:54:02-04:00 2008-07-24T02:54:02Z jimmy@lattitudezine.com jimmy 74.130.213.116 wp_id=161264;date=2008-07-23 23:51:53-04:00 2008-07-24T03:51:53Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 71.198.246.35 wp_id=161273;date=2008-07-24 00:51:59-04:00
Why would an activist need that sort of information?]]> 2008-07-24T04:51:59Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=161315;date=2008-07-24 05:22:22-04:00 2008-07-24T09:22:22Z xvx@anonymous.disqus.net XVX 76.23.45.43 wp_id=161364;date=2008-07-24 09:01:26-04:00 2008-07-24T13:01:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=161365;date=2008-07-24 09:02:19-04:00 "Why would an activist need that sort of information?"

Perhaps so she can be an activist?]]> 2008-07-24T13:02:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=162828;date=2008-07-31 11:22:51-04:00
Whitehead acted; she did something that I believe most people who are similarly situated would, and she is arrested while those abusing the dog are not. In defense of "property" I suppose. How can that be justified?]]> 2008-07-31T15:22:51Z alexmelonas@msn.com Alex 208.58.6.97 wp_id=163631;date=2008-08-04 02:38:52-04:00 2008-08-04T06:38:52Z mary@yahoo.com Mary 76.91.154.67 wp_id=209987;date=2009-03-23 11:06:43-04:00 2009-03-23T15:06:43Z lionden1@btinternet.com John-William Reeves. 86.139.94.90 wp_id=223097;date=2009-06-20 19:25:07-04:00
Linda Reynolds VM9304]]> 2009-06-20T23:25:07Z lindarey@btinternet.com Linda Reynolds 86.138.115.94 wp_id=161394;date=2008-07-24 11:41:53-04:00 2008-07-24T15:41:53Z noneed@forthis.com Matt 216.146.69.98 wp_id=161396;date=2008-07-24 11:49:42-04:00 2008-07-24T15:49:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=161429;date=2008-07-24 14:20:30-04:00
Dear Rep. Frank Niceley:

I read about your push for an eco-terrorism bill in Tennessee and wanted to tell you a bit about animal advocates.

I support animal rights, which means I believe animals (both human and nonhuman) should be treated with compassion and respect. We are all God's creatures, aren't we? So it only makes sense to take care of what God created.

Terrorists are people like those who hijacked planes on Sept. 11, 2001, and murdered thousands of innocent people.

Animal advocates have never done that.

Eco-terrorists should actually be defined as people who terrorize and destroy our environment, not people who want to help our environment stay pristine and who want to clean up pollution.

Please rethink who the terrorists really are.]]> 2008-07-24T18:20:30Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=161542;date=2008-07-24 21:32:22-04:00 2008-07-25T01:32:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.245.31.194 wp_id=161802;date=2008-07-25 19:54:31-04:00 previously featured here on GNR defending a drunk-driving colleague

Well that's a delicious bit of irony right there. I'd wager a bet that drunk drivers have "terrorized" more individuals and families than Niceley's "left-wing eco-greenies." And by "terrorized" I mean "killed."]]> 2008-07-25T23:54:31Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 207.119.116.70 wp_id=162831;date=2008-07-31 11:56:58-04:00 2008-07-31T15:56:58Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=233581;date=2009-12-15 20:40:39-05:00 2009-12-16T01:40:39Z pete@narn.org PETE 64.184.242.193 wp_id=233601;date=2009-12-16 06:49:25-05:00 2009-12-16T11:49:25Z andrewtrodd@gmail.com Andrew 220.233.42.21 wp_id=234042;date=2009-12-26 13:48:09-05:00 2009-12-26T18:48:09Z vegananimal@comcast.net Kathie 68.47.222.160 wp_id=161929;date=2008-07-26 08:40:11-04:00
That last "War on Terror" paragraph is right on. It's the same in any so-called "radical" movement, be it animal rights, tax protest or just questioning a governments authority. The main tactic is scaring the hell out of other activists with the violent threat of imprisonment or worse.]]> 2008-07-26T12:40:11Z jimmy@lattitudezine.com jimmy 74.130.213.116 wp_id=162014;date=2008-07-26 21:11:05-04:00 2008-07-27T01:11:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 99.201.85.214 wp_id=164036;date=2008-08-06 00:58:55-04:00 2008-08-06T04:58:55Z ritarobinett@hotmail.com Rita 24.166.220.218 wp_id=164329;date=2008-08-07 11:32:14-04:00
That would mean investigating themselves.]]> 2008-08-07T15:32:14Z jill@anonymous.disqus.net Jill 71.59.242.183 wp_id=170925;date=2008-09-22 01:02:19-04:00 this is such BS.. yes, I'm a terrified stick shift driver who 'accidently' shifted into first (if youve ever driven a stick before, even if terrible at it like myself, thats simply not possible) while revving my engine cause I was scared. And I'm gay and a lawyer and with a lesbian friend, so I must obviously be right (not trying to dis the LGBT community, just taking facts from the story).

Our country has gotten so screwed up they can see the truth right before their eyes (like the NYC critical mass particpant who got body checked by a cop out of nowhere) and still side with the aggressors, calling the victims 'pieces of shit' and 'deserving' of their injuries.

What the fuck?]]> 2008-09-22T05:02:19Z asher2789@gmail.com ashley 137.142.177.211 wp_id=163798;date=2008-08-04 23:25:52-04:00 2008-08-05T03:25:52Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 76.17.238.47 wp_id=163801;date=2008-08-04 23:35:42-04:00 2008-08-05T03:35:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.5.60.144 wp_id=183573;date=2008-12-26 19:56:20-05:00
MDV]]> 2008-12-27T00:56:20Z mdvadenoforegon@juno.com M. D. Vaden of ORegon 96.225.234.128 wp_id=218041;date=2009-04-20 15:52:13-04:00
....Or not.]]> 2009-04-20T19:52:13Z oh.dhoa@gmail.com Dhoa 71.35.125.42 wp_id=223549;date=2009-06-27 10:51:35-04:00 2009-06-27T14:51:35Z lizardtwins@gmail.com lee 74.76.62.15 wp_id=163895;date=2008-08-05 09:47:32-04:00
People complain about the amount of money PETA has and how it could be better used. Well guess what? PETA raised that money, if you want money used in some other way then you need to be as good at raising cash as PETA. We have a world to persuade. We can fight each other later :-)]]> 2008-08-05T13:47:32Z animalrights@activist.cc Aran 81.102.158.182 wp_id=163896;date=2008-08-05 09:54:43-04:00
I truly don't believe that another group standing out there, showing opposition to PETA's tactics, did any harm to the AR movement--indeed, I think it was positive for the general public to see that there is disagreement within the community of animal rights/welfare groups. Ask your average person on the street what he or she thinks of PETA, and you're far more likely to get a negative response than a positive one. There's also a good chance that you'll get a negative response if you ask an animal rights activist for his or her opinion on some of PETA's tactics. So very many people are opposed to PETA's tactics involving the arguable objectification of women--and so many people in the mainstream are anti-PETA--that showing the public that not all animal rights activists like or agree with PETA either is actually something potentially very positive. Personally, my problem with PETA's campaign here is not the woman in skimpy lettuce attire--it's that a supposed animal rights group is *advertising* for a company that is torturing and slaughtering millions of sentient animals every year. In this way, PETA is the group establishing itself as an enemy of the AR movement--and as an enemy of the animals it is encouraging people to eat.

Again, I don't think the main objective of any animal rights group should become counterprotesting at PETA's protests, but I also don't think that periodically reminding the public--and PETA--that we don't all agree with PETA's positions, policies, and campaigns is wrong; it may indeed be necessary.]]> 2008-08-05T13:54:43Z mail@stephanie-ernst.com Stephanie E. 99.179.54.151 wp_id=163898;date=2008-08-05 09:59:12-04:00 I think as vegans it is important to extend our circle of compassion to all living beings.]]> 2008-08-05T13:59:12Z vegankittylover@meowmail.com jesuscorn unichrist 72.89.160.178 wp_id=163899;date=2008-08-05 10:01:33-04:00 2008-08-05T14:01:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=163905;date=2008-08-05 10:41:02-04:00 2008-08-05T14:41:02Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=163908;date=2008-08-05 10:47:40-04:00 2008-08-05T14:47:40Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.120.208 wp_id=163909;date=2008-08-05 10:52:23-04:00 2008-08-05T14:52:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=163910;date=2008-08-05 11:05:07-04:00
That being said, do I think this is where we should be putting our energy? Certainly not. Do I agree that this sort of infighting only helps government repression? yes I do. But I am still torn, I consider myself a one ethic, one fight activist. I feel as if most of these issues of exploitation are connected and need to be fought against at once. I don't think this is a black and white issue.]]> 2008-08-05T15:05:07Z xdarthveganx@gmail.com Randall Perez 67.189.88.229 wp_id=163913;date=2008-08-05 11:30:06-04:00 We are all fighting a lost cause. We need to unite and row to the same direction.
And we need to remember that what we do, we do it for the millions of animals suffering awful agonies and tortures and dying horrendous deaths. We are not doing it for us, to be known, to be admired, to be on the spotlight.]]> 2008-08-05T15:30:06Z strangelet_2000@yahoo.co.uk Patricia Pizarro 200.111.94.75 wp_id=163923;date=2008-08-05 12:47:45-04:00
And for you to be alluding to an animal rights group as 'helping cointelpro'? That's not considered infighting?

I normally love what you have to say, but in this post you defend patriarchy, welfarism, and the cointelpro witch-hunt that's characterized the left's reaction to the green scare.]]> 2008-08-05T16:47:45Z veganbikepunk@gmail.com (A)nimal Rights 76.105.134.104 wp_id=163926;date=2008-08-05 13:05:24-04:00
I think you are framing this unfairly in your blog post. You fail to mention any of the reasons why Friends of Animals did this. Anti-terrorism laws do not effectively give PETA a free-ride.

PETA is not a group that promotes animal rights, first and foremost. That's problematic enough: the fact that PETA is promoting a restaurant that kills millions of animals annually. Yes, they got a lacto-ovo vegetarian option on the menu. Great. But that's not a reason to promote the restaurant. That's not animal rights.

Secondly, PETA continuously employs sexist tactics to advance its supposed animal rights mission. Is that the best we should expect? Do those tactics speak for all activists? Do they speak for all women? Is sexism animal rights at its most intelligent and evolved? Is this the best we can offer?

I hope not. But you seem to be suggesting that it doesn't even matter. I respectfully beg to differ.

The public already believes that PETA is the voice of animal rights--at least here in North America. That's a shame, in my mind. They don't say or do anything that represents my personal values or my views of animal rights. I refuse to believe that just because some activists think it's not OK to question and challenge others in our movement that we should all keep our mouths shut. That's not very democratic. Unfortunately, the vegan world that I wish to inhabit is not represented by PETA or by women who allow themselves to be commodified in the process of challenging the commodification of other beings. And that's the point: that's not what they are doing.

I applaud this act. I wish more advocates were willing to stand against the non-sense that PETA promotes. No one should expect us to sit by silently and allow them to speak for all of us. It's disconcerting that that's what you suggest: that we have no right to challenge the ideas and actions in our own movement.

Donald Watson and the Vegan Society coined the term vegan more than 60 years ago. Their definition is broad, intelligent and time-less. I am horrified that anyone would suggest that we allow PETA to almost single-handedly promote an agenda that has nothing at all to do with veganism. Here's the Vegan Society's definition:

The word "veganism" denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude — as far as is possible and practical — all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals.

Are you suggesting that the actions of the Lettuce Ladies and/or PETA are aligned with this notion in any possible way, shape or form? I don't think so. Personally, I think it's useful and important for us to challenge them at every opportunity.]]> 2008-08-05T17:05:24Z dustinbuster@gmail.com Dustin Garrett Rhodes, Friends 151.200.49.16 wp_id=163927;date=2008-08-05 13:14:47-04:00 2008-08-05T17:14:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=163928;date=2008-08-05 13:19:20-04:00 Do things differently than they do, like raise awareness of what's going on in a way that doesn't degrade women, prove to them that things can be done differently.
That's, ultimately how I've changed my mind on things, I saw that things could be done better, so I chose to do that instead.]]> 2008-08-05T17:19:20Z yo-yo@anonymous.disqus.net yo-yo 24.107.188.6 wp_id=163929;date=2008-08-05 13:20:08-04:00
This was NOT a counter-protest for the sake of a counter-protest. It isn't like the activists didn't have something meaningful to say, which is what, it seems to me, that you suggest by brushing this off solely as a counter-protest. First, we are saying that sexism is not an acceptable way to advance an idea. Secondly, we are saying that to respect animals means not eating them or their products. Also, the message that not every animal advocate is represented by PETA is advanced. Those are all important messages, and can't be brushed off as merely a challenge to the Lettuce Ladies who were there that day.]]> 2008-08-05T17:20:08Z dustinbuster@gmail.com Dustin Garrett Rhodes, Friends 151.200.49.16 wp_id=163930;date=2008-08-05 13:21:26-04:00
I do not love PETA's protests. I do not love PETA. But even as a woman, I think it is a waste of time and resources to protest them.

I do agree with the idea that it's fine to remind the public that PETA is not representative of the entire animal rights movement. I feel that it's not only right but necessary to contemplate whether the KFC campaign is too welfarist. (It is, in my opinion) But to actively protest against higher welfare standards? That doesn't help anybody--especially not the animals.]]> 2008-08-05T17:21:26Z supahgypsyroselee@hotmail.com Canaduck 66.183.102.45 wp_id=163931;date=2008-08-05 13:28:15-04:00 I think the fact that I did not spend more time explaining people's oppositions to Peta's tactics might have given you the impression that I don't think people should challenge ideas and tactics within the animal rights movement. That's absolutely not the case. Those types of discussion are vital. However, I'm questioning the venue. I'm critical of these counter-protests for the same reason I'm critical of groups like HSUS going out of their way to condemn underground activists. Best, Will]]> 2008-08-05T17:28:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=163932;date=2008-08-05 13:33:05-04:00 I think you hit on exactly what I'm trying to say.]]> 2008-08-05T17:33:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=163934;date=2008-08-05 13:44:48-04:00
Just do me a favor - everyone here - please take time to participate in an AR demo or activity this week, k?

Please?]]> 2008-08-05T17:44:48Z cubestar@gmail.com Cubestar 75.145.72.242 wp_id=163935;date=2008-08-05 13:51:40-04:00
One of the reasons we opted to do this is that in Victoria, there are over a dozen activists that I collaborate with, and ALL were thoroughly disgusted with PETA’s messages: let’s all eat at KFC, killing chickens with gas is a victory, and using sexism as activism is okay.

This wasn’t just me, or just Friends of Animals – it was the activist community here. We had two other protesters out with signs. Three others helped produce the signs. Most were prepared to come out on Friday (and had even planned to take the day off work), when the demo was originally advertised, but I learned on Tuesday that it was switched to Thursday, so our presence was severely diminished.

None of us want to be represented this way, as vegans or as animal rights activists.

PETA admits that they are a media group. Their whole focus is getting media attention. The media isn’t going to cover a story of activists opposing this behavior the day after PETA was here, so our only option was to organize the *real* protest of the day. A protest against exploitation – which at its heart veganism and animal rights is about (although this often gets overlooked by the mainstream.)

Will - what would you propose a mature and concerned community of activists, sick of this type of representation, do when PETA comes to town?

- Dave (Victoria, BC)

PS – this didn’t take much time either, a few hours to do the signs, and an hour to stand outside KFC. And I think it was worth it to show that we’re not all in agreement with PETA, whom I know turns many away from activism.]]> 2008-08-05T17:51:40Z dave@friendsofanimals.org Dave Shishkoff 24.69.69.80 wp_id=163936;date=2008-08-05 13:52:48-04:00
Last I checked animal rights means fighting for the rights of animals. KFC Canada changed their whole welfare program to take away the worst abuses. They also are providing a meatless option. In a time of corporations refusing to switch from their cheap, ineffective and most importantly inhumane ways, this compassionate choice made by KFC Canada should be applauded. If every vegan refused to eat anywhere that served animal products despite their being veg options on the menu it would greatly hinder our cause. We need to support compassionate choices and decisions always, ESPECIALLY when made by large restaurants that could potentially help influence changes in others.

Having the choice as a woman to stand up for what you believe in, by whatever means possible, is the epitome of feminism. Women have THE RIGHT to use their bodies however she sees fit. What is sexist about using your body to make a statement? Is that not allowed? Is it better for a man (or woman) to tell us were doing it wrong? Last I checked I'm allowed to vote as well as stand on the corner in a bikini to fight for animal rights.]]> 2008-08-05T17:52:48Z coll@anonymous.disqus.net Coll 68.242.19.145 wp_id=163938;date=2008-08-05 14:06:31-04:00 I'm really glad you posted this. Thanks for explaining this with a firsthand perspective of what motivated you all. It sounds like you've got a great group of committed people up in Victoria that want to take action, and I can't help but think you can create your own positive representations of animal activists independent of any other organization. 'Cause between Peta, HSUS, SHAC, ALF, etc, trying to protest groups you disagree with could become a full time job. Best, Will]]> 2008-08-05T18:06:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=163939;date=2008-08-05 14:08:03-04:00
There are so many vegan restaurants all over Canada that PeTA could be promoting, yet they focus a huge campaign on a NON-VEGAN menu item in KFC. And they continue to use women's bodies as billboards for animal rights. Everything to them is this utilitarian game of "the ends justify the means", and that is what the vast majority of the animal "rights" movement is unfortunately made of.

Here are some more things we should publicly protest PeTA about:

1. Killing perfectly healthy dogs and cats i shelters and undermining the no-kill movement

2. Promoting the killing of chickens by gassing them

3. Offering to spend ONE MILLION DOLLARS on vat-grown meat

4. Being yet another animal "rights" group that can't be bothered to talk about veganism up front, and being OK with the fact that only half its members are vegetarian (Imagine if half of the members of a group such as the NAACP was people who thought there wasn't anything wrong with white supremacy, for example.)

5. Using spokespeople who aren't vegan for other campaigns (e.g. fur)

If any human rights group was involved in killing of justifying the killing of humans, you bet there would be a huge uproar. Why groups like PeTA get a free pass on this in the name of movement unity, that is an absolute disgrace.]]> 2008-08-05T18:08:03Z minkumadness@yahoo.com Minku 75.33.228.119 wp_id=163942;date=2008-08-05 14:18:14-04:00
Of course you are "allowed" to do whatever you want; I am not suggesting otherwise. I don't agree with you that wearing a bikini, no matter what your sign says or what comes out of your mouth, advances animal rights. Nor do I think it advances women in our society, for that matter. Given the insidious ways that women are objectified, commodified and degraded in the media---in print, on television, on the radio, etc.---I personally don't think it's possible for sexuality and animal rights (and many of other issues of social justice) to occupy the same stage in a way that's either articulate or productive. I believe that too many people view women, almost literally, as "pieces of meat"; I don't think people or issues are empowered by stripping for a cause. This, in my mind, is not about commenting on the intentions of the women and men who partcipate in such demonstrations. I have no reason to believe that they aren't interested in doing what's in the best interests of non-human animals. But I also wonder: why should someone be titilated or "turned on" into thinking differently about the way we treat animals? Why is this a good idea? And why do so many people defend it? I understand that nudity gets attention, but when one stops to consider the reasons why---sexual objectification, whether it's directed towards a man or a woman---is it really worth it?

That's not to say I don't think nudity in and of itself is always inappropriate. I can certainly imagine a nude protest of some sort where the central issue was body image. But I digress. I am only trying to make the point that it's not the nudity in and of itself. It's about how the message is perceived and what we are trying to say.

Canaduck: I don't comprehend how this is 'actively campaigning against higher welfare standards'. I do not believe that this message was conveyed, nor was it the intention. No one is opposed to better welfare for animals---even if welfare now has misleading connotations within animal rights. In fact, I would argue that PETA is not advocating for higher welfare standards, either, when they are promoting a restaurant chain that exploits and kills chickens. Yes, they now have a vegetarian sandwich in Canada, but that doesn't negate the rest of the menu, and it does not necessitate an "animal rights group" actively promoting a restaurant. Like Dave Shiskkoff said, Victoria Canada has two vegan restaurants. Shouldn't the Lettuce Ladies, if they were truly interested in animal rights, have been promoting them?]]> 2008-08-05T18:18:14Z dustinbuster@gmail.com Dustin Garrett Rhodes, Friends 151.200.49.16 wp_id=163945;date=2008-08-05 14:32:41-04:00 PETA has done more for the AR movement, and especially for animals than Friends of Animals ever has. You can frame the sexist argument however you like, but the truth of the matter is is that PETA is the worlds largest animal rights organization. Most people have never heard of Friends of Animals. Why? Because they don't do tactics that PETA does to get on the news. It's a shame that one animal rights organization can condemn another. Perhaps you should invest your money in real protests.]]> 2008-08-05T18:32:41Z cthomson@uoregon.edu Ciara 128.223.85.37 wp_id=163949;date=2008-08-05 14:48:08-04:00 it's a waste of time,energy and resources to fight the people that are effectively on the same "side" as you may be.]]> 2008-08-05T18:48:08Z mamabuchanan@yahoo.com babette hammercocks 74.5.134.46 wp_id=163950;date=2008-08-05 14:51:32-04:00 2008-08-05T18:51:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=163957;date=2008-08-05 15:17:32-04:00
I know this won't sound nice and/or polite and I apologize in advance because I AM interested in a respectful dialogue. That said, you obviously have no idea what animal rights and/or veganism is if you think that PETA is the world's largest "animal rights organization." You might have the facts straight regarding their size, but nearly any definition of rights is completely up for debate. Given the number of animals that PETA actually kills on an annual basis, as Minku mentioned above, I whole heardtedly object to your assertion. It's untrue.

The point is: animal rights (and what I am talking about is the right of animals to be left alone, free from exploitation and domination) is not advanced at the expense of exploiting other animals---even if they're human.]]> 2008-08-05T19:17:32Z dustinbuster@gmail.com Dustin Garrett Rhodes, Friends 151.200.49.16 wp_id=163959;date=2008-08-05 15:33:12-04:00 Good thing that guy is there with a sign to point it out to her. What would she do without that guy? Live a life of ignorance, I suppose. Poor, poor woman.]]> 2008-08-05T19:33:12Z matthewstrugar@hotmail.com matthew 209.212.80.175 wp_id=163973;date=2008-08-05 17:32:49-04:00 2008-08-05T21:32:49Z cthomson@uoregon.edu Ciara 128.223.86.175 wp_id=163985;date=2008-08-05 19:20:42-04:00
Hey I'm confused about why you're offended. I've participated in many demonstrations with PETA and there's always lots of great, caring people talking about animal rights issues. It's unfair to say that simply because someone chooses to wear something, that they are compromising themselves as an individual or that PETA is being sexist. We want people to be who they are and when we start dictating what they can and cannot do with their own bodies, that starts treading a very dangerous line.

While we wish it were as simple as exposing the cruelty involved in raising and killing animals for food, clothing, and other industries to attract media attention and outrage, that's simply not the case.

While we wish it were as simple as exposing the cruelty involved in raising and killing animals for food, clothing, and other industries to attract media attention and outrage, that's simply not the case.

In a day when people are more concerned with what Lindsay Lohan is wearing than cruelty to animals, we sometimes have to get creative when drawing attention to these issues. We've found that when looking for attention, nothing works better than a naked body.

We look forward to the day when the media recognizes the importance of these issues, and when using these tactics is no longer necessary, but until that time we will use all legal methods to get the word out about the horrors these animals suffer through. The situation is critical for them, and it is crucially important that we take every opportunity we can to keep the spotlight on them.]]> 2008-08-05T23:20:42Z cooldude_72_98@hotmail.com Curtis 71.237.210.78 wp_id=163990;date=2008-08-05 19:32:16-04:00
And Dave, next time you take your clothes off I will make sure to persecute you and make you carry the burden of ridicule and harsh judgment. Oh wait, that only happens to women. Because when Dave takes off his clothes, it's simply his choice to do so. But a woman will have to justify what she does with her own body to every single man with an opinion. Right, we are totally oppressed!!]]> 2008-08-05T23:32:16Z yousuck@gmail.com Ellie 64.114.102.2 wp_id=163993;date=2008-08-05 19:52:59-04:00
For those who criticize PETA's euthanasia record--what would you suggest?? No-kill is not always the best option. Look at what happened with All Creatures Great and Small--thank God they were finally closed down!! I have worked at a kill shelter and know how hard it is for those workers to have to do society's dirty work, especially when their own pets are altered. It is easy to point the finger at those who euthanize when, in fact, we have ourselves to blame--for lack of sufficient spay/neuter laws, lack of breeder regulation, and insufficient enforcement of whatever laws do exist. The bottom line is--there simply are not enough good homes for all the cats and dogs who are currently homeless. I would much rather see these animals humanely euthanized than in a "shelter" like All Creatures. So--to those who criticize--what is your solution???]]> 2008-08-05T23:52:59Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.120.208 wp_id=163994;date=2008-08-05 20:09:12-04:00 2008-08-06T00:09:12Z byrneaa@hotmail.com Ashley 70.10.103.161 wp_id=164001;date=2008-08-05 20:52:21-04:00 2008-08-06T00:52:21Z rustin_darrett_ghodes@anonymous.disqus.net Rustin Darrett Ghodes 70.160.230.172 wp_id=164009;date=2008-08-05 21:50:03-04:00
Friends of Animals (FOA) likes to position themselves as an abolitionist organization working in defense of animal rights.

However, rather than proactively struggle for liberation, it seems they'd rather waste time and money criticizing others, be it aboveground groups like PETA or underground activists who break the law to rescue animals from torture and certain death.

There's a reason that there is no negative mention of FOA on the website of the corporate-front group Center for Consumer Freedom: FOA is no threat.]]> 2008-08-06T01:50:03Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 70.160.127.54 wp_id=164013;date=2008-08-05 22:23:28-04:00
In a perfect world, animals wouldn't be tortured and killed for any reason, but have you looked outside lately? It's not a perfect world by far. And may I remind you that unless you are shopping ONLY at all-vegan grocery stores that sell no animal products or anything tested on animals, YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING as going to KFC Canada. So, I wouldn't throw any stones if I were you.

Like it or not, right now KFC Canada is paving the way and other fast-food chains are watching, so the more successful the Classic Vegetarian Sandwich is, the higher the chances are that other fast-food chains will follow suit. And this is basic economics, Dustin, the old law of supply and demand. If we don't support it, they will stop selling it, and then who looses ultimately, people? That's right...the animals. Think about it!]]> 2008-08-06T02:23:28Z cooldude_72_98@hotmail.com Curtis 71.237.210.78 wp_id=164020;date=2008-08-05 23:06:09-04:00
I grew up thinking that PETA = animal rights. But I've come to learn that while they claim to present the animal rights position, they are way off. There are many kind and well-intentioned people who participate in PETA demos and activities. It is a huge problem for serious animal rights activists that the general public sees a ridiculous (and yes, sexist) campaign or demo and thinks that animal rights activists are crazy. This is undeniable. Thank you, Dave, for standing up for animal rights and taking a quick break from your other tireless activism to get in the public eye and say "this is not what animal rights means." Many people don't know that, so someone needs to tell them. It will take time and you'll get objections like the ones on this page, but our efforts in sowing the seeds of meaningful change will eventually take root.]]> 2008-08-06T03:06:09Z fusfeld@yahoo.com Leila Fusfeld 71.225.11.238 wp_id=164022;date=2008-08-05 23:12:18-04:00 2008-08-06T03:12:18Z fusfeld@yahoo.com Leila Fusfeld 71.225.11.238 wp_id=164029;date=2008-08-05 23:55:49-04:00 2008-08-06T03:55:49Z ihatefoa@hotmail.com jane 70.79.75.176 wp_id=164030;date=2008-08-05 23:59:21-04:00 What a shame that we still live in a world where such beliefs are held. Yes, sometimes they do make an impact, but isn't it time women can be heard without their flesh being seen?
As far as the counter protesting goes..I think it's the best thing since sliced bread! About time people begin to understand the difference between animal rights beliefs and just controlling the actions of others. PeTA is about controlling others, including animals. KFC recieves thier wrath if they don't oblige their demands, their support when they bow to thier will....Animal rights is clearly the opposite opinion, embracing respect, not control, of life and the living. Well, if we excuse the militant "animal rights" brigade, that is.
regards,
lisa]]> 2008-08-06T03:59:21Z karmaspree@yahoo.com lisa 206.162.192.39 wp_id=164035;date=2008-08-06 00:26:35-04:00 2008-08-06T04:26:35Z serafina3333@yahoo.com Serafina 68.236.44.86 wp_id=164113;date=2008-08-06 09:30:05-04:00
As someone who was a PeTA member for nearly two decades, and since they really were an animal rights group (in the 80s), I experience a lot of frustration over PeTA representing animal rights (ergo, me) in 2008. I didn't see the demonstration as infighting but as clarification, and an emphasis that not all animal rights activists are PeTA members, agree with their tactics, or agree with their advertising for KFC. I don't think the average person even knows that there's an alternative to PeTA's way (for those who think animals aren't ours to use). Furthermore, I don't know if the average PeTA member is making those connections (I didn't until a couple of years ago).

I do appreciate seeing this as a gift for the FBI, and I didn't think about that before you mentioned it. I suppose that we all have to factor that into our decision making with any kind of activism. Am I painting a target on my back, and if I am, is that going to stop me from doing what I think is right?]]> 2008-08-06T13:30:05Z mm@animalperson.net Mary Martin 76.110.213.213 wp_id=164147;date=2008-08-06 13:33:59-04:00
* this wasn't a 'bunch of men' at a protest, not that this should matter (isn't that sexist?) - there were two women protesting as well: http://picasaweb.google.com/fo...

* if any cared to read my previous posting, this wasn't entirely an FoA action (tho thankfully is willing to speak out) -- this action was brainstormed and executed by a dozen local activists. It isn't accurate to peg this as an 'FoA PETA-bashing' action, rather than what it was: Victoria's community of vegan animal rights activists upset with the way PETA portrays us.

* In the vast scheme of things, FoA hardly does any 'PETA-bashing', and it's a very unfair portrayal of the organization i work for. While yes, we are willing to critique groups that claim to be advocates of animals yet promote alternative agendas, we have our own programs, where the vast majority of our time goes. Has anyone visited www.VeganMeans.com - our new vegan info website? Visit our home page to see what else we've been up to.

* Yes, i was handing out copies of The Victoria Vegan, a local vegan newsletter we produce, which of course lists all the vegan offerings in the city: www.TheVictoriaVegan.com

So let's get away from distracting from the topic with FoA-bashing (funny that critiquing PETA is so wrong, yet FoA-bashing is accepted), and instead discuss the issues at hand:

* should PETA be promoting KFC, and is this vegan or animal rights activism?

* is sexism a legitimate part of our activism? (And yes, this *is* sexism. PETA is relying on sexist people to react to this, and further entrenching this mindset, as opposed to challenging it.)

* is killing chickens with gas a 'victory'?

* what would be constructive ways for a community of activists who are deeply offended with PETA's actions to express this?

Thanks to all for their thoughtful contributions, i wouldn't be posting if i didn't think this was an important topic that needs further investigation and consideration.

- Dave (Victoria, BC)]]> 2008-08-06T17:33:59Z dave@friendsofanimals.org Dave Shishkoff 24.69.69.80 wp_id=164150;date=2008-08-06 14:00:09-04:00
On the other hand, I'd be worried if they protested Peta more than they protested animal cruelty.]]> 2008-08-06T18:00:09Z jinxed@cableone.net Tori 24.119.165.246 wp_id=164156;date=2008-08-06 14:32:11-04:00
It's also quite disingenous to say that FoA rarely bashes Peta and other groups. A quick search of the FoA site brings up dozens and dozens of hits to the contrary: not just attacks on Peta, but other organizations as well. And FoA published an entire book condemning SHAC and "direct action" just a few months after the SHAC 7 were convicted as terrorists, and, disturbingly, while their landmark First Amendment case is pending appeal.

The point of my blog post isn't to discuss the "issues at hand" that you list (although it's wonderful that people are doing so, that's not the focus of this website). The point is that, at a time when industry groups, corporations, and corporate politicians are doing everything they can to divide and destroy the animal rights movement, some AR groups are doing everything they can to capitalize on those divisions for publicity.]]> 2008-08-06T18:32:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=164222;date=2008-08-06 19:08:14-04:00
With all due respect, I do not understand in the least how FoA's counter demonstration helps the FBI or any governmental agency in it's "war" against animal activists.

Do you really believe these agencies aren't already aware of the differences? There are numerous websites out there that delve into the differences already between animal rights groups and animal welfare groups.

I just do not see how this has been a "gift" to the FBI as someone else mentioned or in any way helps that agency.

I think it makes the movement stronger and empowers those who have had these thoughts but were afraid to express them because they are usually beaten down by PETA supporters who have blinders on. Just like I did for years.

This demo was just one event that showed the public that there are those who disagree with animal welfare groups such as PETA as they align themselves with animal abusing corporations like KFC, for one thing. And for another, it shows a much different perspective on the use of "sex" (and that was the term PETA employee Nicole Matthews used) to express rights for animals.

For the record, FoA conducted a similar event several years ago at a "naked" tiger demo in Bridgeport, CT. At that time, I had helped PETA for the 2nd year in a row to organize the demo because at that time, I believed that it helped attract media and the message of animal suffering would be addressed. When FoA did this, I was apalled and angry, as many have expressed on this blog that they are regarding the KFC event. I actually contacted the person at FoA who organized this and we exchanged several emails about it, not very friendly exchanges I might add. (We did end up working together on other events at a later point in time.)

It wasn't until I opened my mind and realized that what FoA did was actually a very positive step for the animal rights movement. It showed those in the public who chose to look away when PETA came into town because of they disagreed with PETA's ideas and approaches, that there are those who take a very different approach and have very different ideology than PETA and that yes, animal rights and the suffering of animals is a social justice issue and not something that is to be taken lightly.

I hope that those reading this blog and comments will cause others to think a little bit more about what has transpired. Thank you.]]> 2008-08-06T23:08:14Z nancy_rice@anonymous.disqus.net Nancy Rice 69.177.201.42 wp_id=164233;date=2008-08-06 20:01:22-04:00
As the environmental journalist and author George Monbiot once put the point, activists `who appear to respect the rights of every mammal except Homo sapiens` are `a gift to the state`.

That, and much important context, appears in the book you’ve dismissed in your comment above.

And is it really so odd that FoA and the vegans of Victoria have a common perspective? Many people in my local region as well agree with the perspective of Friends of Animals.

I've heard good things about your work and I'd like to avoid having this interaction cloud my view. I hope you'll extend the same courtesy. You and your readers might be interested in a piece readily available on FoA's website that addresses the growth of repression: They’d Have Been Wise to Invent It
A Guide to 'Eco-Terror` Discourse, and the Money Behind It. See http://tinyurl.com/5l8s8w

With best wishes,

Lee Hall.]]> 2008-08-07T00:01:22Z leehall@friendsofanimals.org Lee Hall 70.110.185.182 wp_id=164235;date=2008-08-06 20:27:00-04:00
* "Should PETA be promoting KFC, and is this vegan or animal rights activism?"

Any animal rights activist (PETA or not) should support increased vegan options. Right? If Wal-Mart has soy milk, great! If KFC has vegan chicken, super! If your local co-op has veggie burgers, excellent. The more the food is out there, the better. You don't have to eat it. But you should support the availability. And you for sure shouldn't waste your time speaking out against it. Do you really only support 100% vegan places? And even so, do you really think that 99.9% of the public only patronizes those places? There needs to be options for people to have veganism accessible.

* "is sexism a legitimate part of our activism? (And yes, this *is* sexism. PETA is relying on sexist people to react to this, and further entrenching this mindset, as opposed to challenging it.)"

Way to have an open mind, bro. Why don't you stop using hollow words like "sexism" and get to the root of what you mean. Is a woman doing what she wants with her body defeating to the movement? Based on the massive amounts of press coverage which PETA seems to get by doing silly things like wearing lettuce, I'd say it's a darn good idea. I just wish the media would care more about some guy's package. But they don't. People are lame. Accept it and move on. Don't blame PETA for hustling the system to raise awareness. It seems like these women are empowering themselves and helping animals. Shame on you for trying to tell them how to live their lives. What are you a fascist? Do you really not have any better thing to do like leaflet or something?

*" is killing chickens with gas a ‘victory’?"
It depends what your goals are. If your goal is to reduce suffering by implementing a less cruel killing method, then certainly it's a victory. If your goal is to achieve total animal liberation, then certainly it's not a victory. But is it a step in the right direction to have a multi-billion dollar corporation do this? Sure, how could it not be?

*" what would be constructive ways for a community of activists who are deeply offended with PETA’s actions to express this?"

Write them a letter with a suggestion on how to achieve the same goals of raising awareness and pressuring companies. I doubt there is a more effective way. Do you have any suggestions? And no, destroying the capitalist state is not a reasonable answer. Grow up and deal with it. Is PETA showing up at your events and disrupting them? Sometimes grown men and women just need to accept their differences and work in the way they feel best helps animals.]]> 2008-08-07T00:27:00Z daves_d@anonymous.disqus.net Dave's D 70.160.230.172 wp_id=164236;date=2008-08-06 20:39:00-04:00 2008-08-07T00:39:00Z gmazur1@towson.edu Greg 69.251.46.179 wp_id=164243;date=2008-08-06 21:19:32-04:00
Vegans tend to have more fit, healthy bodies. Is there anything wrong with making that well known while spreading the word about animal rights?]]> 2008-08-07T01:19:32Z sexy@anonymous.disqus.net Sexy 70.160.230.172 wp_id=164248;date=2008-08-06 22:00:36-04:00
If people think the average person is going to care enough to differentiate between animal ethics groups, I think they're kidding themselves. We're all loony to most people. But if they did, in this case I think they'd be far more likely to prefer the pro 'veggie sandwich on the menu' and lack of uptightness about sexuality of PeTA's position versus the position of the counter-protesters that PeTA's not righteous/leftist enough in their attitudes.

And as many bumperstickers say about abortion, if you don't like a lettuce bikini, don't wear one.]]> 2008-08-07T02:00:36Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.201 wp_id=164249;date=2008-08-06 22:12:02-04:00
I won't go into PeTA's blatant role as an advisor and advertiser for the animal death industry (as noted in your picture "Free Faux Chicken Sandwich" and nothing about animal welfare, let alone rights), but writing an article reprimanding activists for not being lead by a hegemonic nonprofit and comparing that to government assassinations is laughable. Ironically, like the red scare before it, green scare fear of police is being used to tow the line and stop any kind of discussion about what this "movement" should be doing in the name of unity.

I think a more appropriate Propagandhi quote would be, "I'll call you on your shit, please call me on mine" from "Apparently I'm a PC Fascist (Because I Care About Both Human and Non-Human Oppression)".]]> 2008-08-07T02:12:02Z angryduck07@yahoo.com Andy 71.231.160.97 wp_id=164288;date=2008-08-07 04:50:52-04:00 2008-08-07T08:50:52Z akurmudgeon@hotmail.com Kurmudgeon 119.11.1.217 wp_id=164313;date=2008-08-07 08:47:18-04:00
"I expected better than this kind of “anything to help the animals” blind-eye journalism."

Can you point to anywhere, in this post or anywhere else, that I've said anything at all close to that?

And while you're at it, I would love to hear your evidence of how "like the red scare before it, green scare fear of police is being used to tow the line and stop any kind of discussion about what this “movement” should be doing in the name of unity." Silly me, but from everything I've ever seen that was the exact opposite of what took place: instead of doing anything in the name of "unity," people turned against each other, pointed fingers, testified, named names, pledged loyalty oaths and attacked each other.]]> 2008-08-07T12:47:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=164317;date=2008-08-07 09:38:53-04:00
Check out today's post here.

If not, what's the difference?]]> 2008-08-07T13:38:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=164333;date=2008-08-07 12:04:24-04:00
If these people from PeTA were being arrested, thrown in jail, and labeled terrorists, similarly to the SHAC 7 or the current situation in Austria, then they deserve support, at the very least they deserve everyone, AR activist or not, to step up and oppose such authoritarian nonsense from the government, simply on the grounds that it reeks of fascism, and fascism must be fought. Supporting them does not mean that one supports their cause or their methods - it simply means that they do not deserve that kind of punishment for their activism.

But that still doesn't mean that we can't openly criticize their tactics. It was only a matter of time before SOMEONE within the movement did SOMETHING to publicly challenge PeTA's lunacy. Better late than never, I think.]]> 2008-08-07T16:04:24Z minkumadness@yahoo.com Minku 24.148.26.176 wp_id=164406;date=2008-08-07 23:40:42-04:00 2008-08-08T03:40:42Z dagdasamildanc@gmail.com dag 68.49.3.18 wp_id=164483;date=2008-08-08 15:42:42-04:00
http://ap.google.com/article/A...]]> 2008-08-08T19:42:42Z ha@anonymous.disqus.net ha 70.160.230.172 wp_id=164491;date=2008-08-08 17:38:08-04:00
How ironic that so many posting here would like to condemn the speech of FoA & Dave, and are simultaneously upset about restrictions on their speech. Lettuce not stifle criticism. Blindly following the leadership of PETA (or anyone) is a dangerous thing, but many of you seem to be doing just that. Pay more careful attention to what the organizations are doing. Which organization is killing animals? Which organization has salvaged and rebuilt a primate sanctuary? Which organization is marketing for a fast food giant that mostly sells dead bird and is promoting an item that is not fully vegan? Which organization is providing a thoughtful message to the public and internally? Which organization will do anything for publicity?

PETA vs. FoA over KFC has nothing to do with the FBI.]]> 2008-08-08T21:38:08Z fusfeld@yahoo.com Honest Vegan 66.7.190.194 wp_id=164495;date=2008-08-08 18:19:12-04:00 "But in this political climate, one where activists are being labeled as “terrorists” and the planet is approaching environmental collapse, I think it’s essential to think strategically, and focus energy and resources where they are needed most. Am I the only one who thinks that protesting another activist group shouldn’t be the top of anyone’s list? "

Using the "political climate" to say that we should fall into step, that we should "focus energy and resources where they are needed most." This rhetoric sounds like it's converted from a speech about terrorists and why Americans should accept restrictions on their freedoms! Speaking out against PETA is the unpatriotism of the animal rights movement.

Bush: "Inside the United States where the war began, we must continue to give our Homeland Security and law enforcement personnel every tool they need to defend us. And one of those essential tools is the Patriot Act, which allows federal law enforcement to better share information, to track terrorists, to disrupt their cells and to seize their assets. For years, we have used similar provisions to catch embezzlers and drug traffickers. If these methods are good for hunting criminals, they are even more important for hunting terrorists. Key provisions of the Patriot Act are set to expire next year. The terrorist threat will not expire on that schedule. Our law enforcement needs this vital legislation to protect our citizens. You need to renew the Patriot Act."

ACLU: "In separate but related attempts to squelch
dissent, the government has attacked the
patriotism of its critics, police have barricaded and
jailed protesters, and the New York Stock Exchange
has revoked the press credentials of the most widely
watched television network in the Arab world. A
chilling message has gone out across America:
Dissent if you must, but proceed at your own risk."]]> 2008-08-08T22:19:12Z fusfeld@yahoo.com Honest Vegan 66.7.190.194 wp_id=164497;date=2008-08-08 18:45:12-04:00 Oh my God, you've exposed me! "Thinking strategically," "focusing resources"... I'm EXACTLY like the Bush Administration! Except for, well, um, everything I believe.]]> 2008-08-08T22:45:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.86.86 wp_id=164500;date=2008-08-08 20:33:23-04:00 2008-08-09T00:33:23Z fusfeld@yahoo.com Honest Vegan 66.7.190.194 wp_id=164502;date=2008-08-08 20:59:35-04:00
Yeah, that's pretty much the entire concept of the First Amendment: believing that someone has the RIGHT to say something doesn't mean you have to AGREE. There's nothing "ironic" about what I'm saying: I'm not saying FoA doesn't have the right to do whatever protest they want, I'm saying I don't agree.

How about this, for both HSUS and FoA: work on the issues you're passionate about, in the way you feel is appropriate, and if reporters ask you about direct action or Peta or whatever, state your case... But stop going out of your way to smear other groups for the sake of personal PR.]]> 2008-08-09T00:59:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.64.52 wp_id=164507;date=2008-08-08 21:26:23-04:00
You aren't saying, at least as far as I can tell, that you disagree with the substance of FoA's message, just that you want them to shut up if they don't agree with the mainstream. I think that dissent is inherently valuable, in this case to hopefully bring a movement back on track.

PR is PETA's thing, that much is obvious. The fully clothed guy doesn't look to me like the one who's out there for PR. Near as I can tell, one of FoA's passions is educating people about the true meaning of animal rights and distinguishing it from the ridiculous meaning now attributed to it. It sure is harder to recruit new vegans when so many think that animal rights advocates are lunatics that wear chicken suits or lettuce bikinis. That's just what Dave & co. are doing.]]> 2008-08-09T01:26:23Z fusfeld@yahoo.com Honest Vegan 66.7.190.194 wp_id=164511;date=2008-08-08 22:49:27-04:00
Again--I agree with Will. I think AR groups need to quit fighting with each other and focus that energy on fighting for the animals. The bottom line is that the woman in the lettuce bikini is going to live another day and the animal in the lab is not. If you do not like PETA's approach, then don't work with PETA. I think that Animal Rights is a huge undertaking that can benefit from many different approaches and I try to respect them all, even those I don't directly support. However, I do not respect groups that stab other groups in the back.]]> 2008-08-09T02:49:27Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.120.208 wp_id=164661;date=2008-08-09 22:30:18-04:00 2008-08-10T02:30:18Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.88.199 wp_id=164777;date=2008-08-10 14:31:45-04:00
I'm rocked with laughter that FoA would challenge anyone's fundamentalism or tactics so soon after their recent (on-going?) inexplicable legal battles to regain control of animals rescued from Primarily Primates.]]> 2008-08-10T18:31:45Z rick.bogle@gmail.com Rick Bogle 71.150.252.15 wp_id=164815;date=2008-08-10 19:19:04-04:00
I think the criticism against PETA that they're sexist isn't well-founded and is inappropriate. It makes the critics seem like prudes who hate women's bodies, sexuality, and maybe even women. It certainly doesn't feel like the feminism I know and love - the one that considers women's political speech, even when it comes in the form of nudity, as something that ought to be protected and respected. Or rather, I'd prefer that my small contributions to FoA didn't go to that specific cause.

But honestly, I think it's no big deal and I think it's actually probably a good thing. I don't really see it as infighting. I see it as more press :)]]> 2008-08-10T23:19:04Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=164837;date=2008-08-11 00:07:40-04:00
http://www.peta.org/feat-chimp...

Also, to all the big mouths out there who don't like some of PETA's tactics, stop denegrating the life-saving work it does every day. Don't be jealous and don't HATE.]]> 2008-08-11T04:07:40Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.88.199 wp_id=164887;date=2008-08-11 10:53:12-04:00 2008-08-11T14:53:12Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.120.208 wp_id=164909;date=2008-08-11 16:23:12-04:00
That said, I can confidently hurl metaphorical stones at both organizations. The inherent flaw of any large company, and both FoA and PETA and are indeed top-down corporations, is that they must fund raise to survive. If you are Victoria Secrets, it’s not hard to get the public to pay attention to your campaigns. If you are an organization that promotes a philosophy which advocates a radical change of lifestyle for the majority of people out there, you’re in a tougher spot.

The fact is that both FoA and PETA choose their campaigns with an eye toward what will create contributions. This is an insidious force which manifests itself in different ways for these organizations but, in both cases, ways which I believe are damaging to the ‘animal rights movement’.

PETA, in order to maintain attention and generate contributions pursues campaigns that are both “outrageous” and “winnable”. The “outrageous” being naked women or “got beer” type stuff. Personally, I find these campaigns range from silly to offensive. Yes they get attention, but so does flinging poo. Whether they help give serious consideration to our ideas is debatable. They do generate contributions and thus their existence.

PETA’s winnable campaigns come in the form of asking for “reform” measures, such as an extra few inches for battery hens or some other more “humane” form of killing. Gary Francione and others have written at great length as to why these “reforms’ are not only useless but are probably counter productive. I tend to agree with this take and I do believe it is important to challenge these efforts and that we can do so in a way that is beneficial to the movement and actually builds our cause.

Similarly, FoA chooses campaigns that are “sexy”. They may not use naked women but it would be difficult to say that the issues that FoA focuses on are central to our movement or represent a significant portion of animal cruelty. While efforts to halt the killing of Alaska’s wolves, stop the gassing of monk parakeets in Connecticut, or provide bigger cages to a handful of primates in Texas are important, they are first and foremost “safe” campaigns that effect very few individual animals and offend no one. Few members of the public shoot wolves from planes or raise chimps.

In this way FoA is something of a mirror image of PETA. PETA chooses “shocking” campaigns to excite its young and large base of ‘radicals’ while FoA chooses safe and unthreatening campaigns so as to not offend its relatively small, older and conservative base.

Like PETA, FoA also sinks to “reform” campaigns. For example, a fair criticism has been made regarding FoA’s current Alaska wolf campaign. While FoA has done some great work in this campaign in the past, the current goal of this campaign is to pressure Alsaka to stop it’s “aerial wolf-control program”. Just as a chicken killed by electrocution is just as dead as a chicken killed by suffocation, a wolf shot from a plane is just as dead as a wolf killed from the ground. Both PETA and FoA focus on the means of killing since everyone can say they’re against cruel or ‘unfair’ killing. While the street activist can focus on the killing itself, a corporation that demands revenue to survive must first consider what creates donations (and then maybe consider the animals). For either PETA or FoA, a true articulation of the principles of animal rights would be financial suicide.

The recent disaster that surrounds primarily primates is a stain upon both PETA and FoA. While there is tremendous debate regarding what exactly happened, I believe that it is irrefutable that both organizations exploited this facility and its non-human inhabitants. PETA chose, instead of simply fixing any problems on behalf of the animals, to make Primarily Primates a legal ‘test case’. When one considers all of the atrocities committed against non-humans, I find it inconceivable to make an animal sanctuary (no matter how flawed) the vehicle to propound moronic and failed legal theory. PETA actually used vivisectors as their advocates in this case. How freak’in f’d up is that? How is that not the antithesis of “animal rights”?

In response, FoA poured tremendous resources, not solely to the care of the animals at Primarily Primates, but in a pr battle against PETA. This battle then turned into a legal battle for the return of various animals to Primarily Primates, animals that FoA argued were their property. How freak’in f’d up is that? How is that not the antithesis of “animal rights”?

Now, just as PETA exploited the horrible images of the animals and conditions at Primarily Primates, FoA now uses colorful images of happy primates to pump money into their coffers. However pretty the enclosures for these animals may be, Primarily Primates remains a zoo. So desperate is FoA to spin its possession of these creatures as animal rights and keep Primarily Primates at the forefront of is fund raising, FoA actually opposed the CHIMP Act amendment which prohibited the return of primates from sanctuary to research.

For better or worse, PETA has become synonymous with “animal rights”. I cannot take away from PETA, Newkirk, and others the huge advances PETA made in moving the issue of “animal rights” from nowhere. PETA remains a force in making other groups, like FoA and HSUS, at least appear to be animal rights advocates. Unfortunately, few of these other groups make any effort to support grass roots work. PETA, however it serves its self interest, does an far better job of moving young folks into the street, where all activists belong.

Unfortunately, I have to ask if PETA, at least in its current form, has outlived its usefulness. I don’t pretend to have a bunch of ideas as to alternatives or exactly what we should be doing. That does not change the fact that supporting organizations that advocate the gassing of chickens or battle for their 'primate property' is supporting failure.]]> 2008-08-11T20:23:12Z doatis@cox.net Derek 69.183.20.238 wp_id=164939;date=2008-08-11 21:51:03-04:00
First off, I am one of the vegan activists in Victoria that was involved in the protest of P-TA and KFC. I am not a FoA employee and I didn't do this because a single FoA employee organized it. By the way, I know Dave would have spearheaded this action even before his connection to FoA. Everyone who got involved did so because they are disgusted with P-TA's tactics and their effect on the AR movement. If they aren't moving us backwards they are certainly holding us firm with their outdated views of animal use (human and non-human).

Re: Waste of Time
What we did was not taking away from other AR activity that we are involved in. It was also a huge win because we've seen many comments from people thanking us for showing them that a sexist, animal industry-supporting organization like P-TA is not the be-all and end-all of animal rights. It also displayed to the public at least a sliver of sanity in the deluge of "happy" meat and naked women campaigns.

Re: Infighting or divisiveness
We are not being divisive, because P-TA does not represent us. They came to *our* town to support a huge animal killer. If anyone came to Victoria to drum up media attention in support of KFC, McDonald's, or their ilk, we would be there to oppose them. So, no, I am not engaging in "infighting" because P-TA has nothing to do with my goal - abolition. In fact, they oppose it in many ways, which makes it vital that we counter them.

Re: Consenting to sexism
To women and men both who believe it is okay to engage in sexist activity just because you decide it is okay, please, please, check out the book "Pornified" by Pamela Paul. It will clearly demonstrate why it is neither acceptable nor 'empowering' for a woman to use her body as a means to an end.

Re: "Landmark" P-TA Victories
Just because P-TA and HSUS call their animal husbandry action victorious, it doesn't make it so. For those that parrot the "landmark" and similar terms, are you actually analyzing what's going on? In the case of KFC Canada, these reforms may or may not be instituted in the future, they will be self-regulated (and that always works well, doesn't it?), and they were going to be adopted by KFC Canada anyway because they make chicken killing more efficient and profitable! And don't get me started on their "cruelty free" menu option...
KFC Canada must be laughing every time they see P-TA acting as their personal marketing agency - for free!

Finally, in regards to P-TA being a wonderful, AR organization that has done more for AR than anyone... I could say many things but I'll just quote the result of a meeting between KFC Canada and P-TA:
"we found out that we had no differences of opinion about how animals should be treated."

I am adamantly opposed to KFC. Even if I didn't have near-limitless reasons to oppose P-TA, that quote would tell me all I needed to know.]]> 2008-08-12T01:51:03Z niilov@hotmail.com Niilo John Van Steinburg 209.207.73.169 wp_id=165019;date=2008-08-12 16:49:55-04:00
Whereas PETA's campaigns are often silly, offensively jarring, or both, often degrading both human and non-human animals; derailing more than focusing on serious and compelling issues that animal rights should answer (Just what is animal rights? What does a commitment to veganism entail? What does it mean to challenge domination on a personal and societal level? How is animal rights a commitment toward social and environmental justice?), FoA tackles these profound questions at every opportunity, instead of engaging in stunts or conventional, widely accepted campaigns.

FoA opposes all killing of wolves and indeed all hunting. Aerial hunting must be opposed because there is a federal Airborne Hunting Act that needs to be upheld rather than eroded. And there is one form of systematic wolf killing in Alaska (due to the snow cover), and that is aerial shooting.
Other killings are opportunistic rather than systematic, but we oppose those as well. We also point out that if you can have aircraft, obviously you can have vegan food. There is no picking and choosing of wolves or what's unfair.

FoA isn't a single-issue campaign group, even when intervening in a pointed situation. The monk parakeet case we've made part of a general initiative to challenge the pet trade. I joined this group because of its holistic view that no exploitation is acceptable, that vegan values are at the core of animal rights, and that humans must jettison the worldview that we have the right to dominate the entire biosphere.

Is this "sexy"? Is this "safe"? This offends no one? From our work supporting feral cats to our educational campaigns making it clear that contraceptives in free-living animals is yet another form of "disappearing"
animals, FoA always takes the serious animal-rights view and takes it further than its been presented from the academic halls -- including Francione's.

And if FoA were interested in safety, we would keep our mouths shut and maintain the status quo as represented by the ideas that are promoted by many of the more moneyed groups. Many of them pander to social biases.

FoA doesn't get into the husbandry-adjustment game at all, Derek, so no need to explain it to us. We've written about that great length ourselves.

I hope you are not biased against older advocates; some of them are the most enlightened and energetic members and supporters I've had the privilege to work with; but do you really think a "small, older and conservative base" is what prompted this thread in the first place?

Are you not aware that animals are property, Derek? If PETA had plans to take any animal refugees you shelter yourself, I suppose you'd stand there and say "Oh they are not my property, guess I have to let PETA channel them to their demise"? Don't be silly. You'd do what you need to do to protect them while still arguing, in the broader discourse, against the status on animals as property. Or for heaven's sake we'd hope so.

Seeking to have the residents of Primarily Primates returned to living with other individuals whom they know and relate to can hardly be dismissed by calling it treating animals as property, although that is their current legal status, and we are working to change that.

And Primarily Primates is hardly a zoo. In a zoo, animals are on display and often endure a great many violations and indignities as well as stress due to the public's unrelenting glare. No one is claiming, either, that having to house refugee animals who serve no purpose to humans now that their usefulness as objects of experiments has ended is animal rights. If the theory of animal rights were fully realized, vivisection would not take place--and Primarily Primates would not even exist. These animals would live free, in their natural habitats. But that's not yet the world we live in, and someone has to take care of these animals. Obviously, that costs a lot of money and entails fundraising. That's not 'desperation,' it's reality.
This isn't an academic question for me, Derek. I'm going to be working there myself later this month.

`PETA remains a force .` Well, Derek, that's your opinion and it's your right to have it. Ours is that PETA operates largely in the sphere of animal control. An animal rights organization would not actually kill animals or promote various methods of killing animals to the public. Furthermore, PETA might move young folks into the street at the expense of having something meaningful to say or being able to articulate a clear vegan message. As Lee Hall said in the Abolitionist-Online, `Yes, PETA has accomplished something:
the imposition of tabloid culture onto a serious idea. PETA gets away with it because, as the nonprofit most admired by people aged 13-24, it's pull of supporters is perpetually replenished.`

An international animal-rights organization--that actually puts animal rights unambiguously at the forefront--can serve a multitude of important purposes that grassroots activists cannot, and it can support them and also take courage from their energy. That happened in Victoria. Tackling the myriad issues that play themselves out on a daily basis requires organization and, yes, money. Such organizations can support grassroots activists and non-human animals simultaneously. Derek, you've put "animal rights movement" in punctuation; enough of that. Your and Francione's insisting notwithstanding, there is a movement.]]> 2008-08-12T20:49:55Z dustinbuster@gmail.com Dustin Garrett Rhodes, Friends 151.200.49.16 wp_id=165148;date=2008-08-13 20:05:08-04:00
Perhaps the most egregious effect is that those whose financial self interest depends upon maintaining the favor of their employers loose the ability of honest criticism. Dustin, this is not the first forum that you and I have exchanged words regarding these fundamental issues. Does it strike you as odd that the only folks that ever come to FoA’s defense is those people that FoA pays to defend them? Does that not say something?

Please reconsider my criticism of FoA’s “boycott Alaska campaign”. I certainly believe that “FoA opposes all killing of wolves and indeed all hunting”. PETA’s own pr states that it “Operates under the principle that animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment”. These are both fine principles. My criticism is that the specific campaigns of both organizations sometimes compromise these principles.

The “Boycott Alaska” campaign has as its focus, the aerial wolf shoot program. http://www.boycott-alaska.com/
Not unlike PETA criticizing a particular form of killing, this campaign focuses only on the form of killing. The pitfall of this campaign is that if Alaska stops aerial wolf kills, the campaign is a success- but wolves can still be shot form the ground or snared. This is the same tactical shortsightedness that PETA engages in when they demand a boycott of KFC until they stop electrocuting chickens.

Dustin, your claim that these “Other killings are opportunistic rather than systematic” is truly a bizarre distinction. Do you think it matters to the wolves? Is this like saying that the Holocaust was bad because it was “systematic” killing but the genocide in Rwanda was okay because it was only “opportunistic killing”. Go take a look of the excellent video that FoA was instrumental in obtaining (and which was broadcast on CBS evening news) which was horrific footage of wolves caught in snare traps. Dustin, do you really want to defend a campaign by trying to differentiate forms of killing? Isn’t that exactly what we criticize PETA for?

This is my point, Dustin; that your position with FoA means that you can’t even criticize a campaign that focuses only on the way wolves are killed. This one campaign does not take away from the positive things that FoA does but we should be able to say, “yeah, that’s a dumb campaign, let’s do something different”. I had this same debate with Francione when I was defending FoA- and I lost.

I applaud criticism of the bad things PETA does. But this kind of criticism shouldn’t be limited to group loyalty; we need to criticize ALL bad campaigns and all wastes of resources.]]> 2008-08-14T00:05:08Z doatis@cox.net Derek 72.200.164.193 wp_id=165270;date=2008-08-14 22:14:56-04:00
You wave off people writing here and people in Victoria who are not being paid by Friends of Animals, and you are dismissive of those of us who are. You imply that we don’t have minds of our own.

Before I worked with FoA I felt exactly the same as I do now about FoA: the group is advancing the idea of animal rights in the best possible way.

Regarding wolves, we are talking about upholding a prohibition against killing wolves or other animals from the air rather than allow it to become meaningless. It wouldn’t make sense to drop that initiative. You yourself acknowledge FoA’s intervention in a state-backed snaring scheme; you praise it. The bottom line is that we oppose all forms of killing and I assure you everyone in Alaska knows that. We’ll intervene in every killing scheme and will not stop; but you are, quite sincerely, most welcome to do what you can to obtain wolf personhood so that we no longer have to intervene in this way to keep communities of wolves from being stalked and massacred from year to year.

I do not understand why, other than for shock value, you invoke the Holocaust and Rwanda. Every kind of genocidal killing is, by definition, systematic. Those who work for the interests of people systematically killed in Rwanda are not suggesting they don’t oppose opportunistic murder.

If we have had “words” before then you must be the same Derek (I have only corresponded with one) who wrote this last year on the Vegan Freaks blog:
Derek V. Oatis says (Feb 13, 2007 @ 07:11 AM):
Gary, I greatly appreciate your work and believe your contributions have been a watershed in the crucial debate of abolitionism versus welfarism. As powerful as “Rain Without Thunder” was, the developments since its publication have made me deeply pessimistic that it can serve as a counterweight to the short sighted and self defeating campaigns of many corporate national organizations.
I will disclose that, as an attorney, I have received money from FoA …
James Crump proffered that FoA’s “campaign to ban the aerial shooting of wolves is obviously not abolitionist. It implies that some other (non-aerial) method of wolf murder would be acceptable and does not represent a departure from the property paradigm in any way. In fact, it reinforces wolves' property status by implying that other methods of killing wolves are acceptable.”
First of all, this is indeed a factual misrepresentation of FoA’s ‘Alaska wolf kill’ campaign. Some of the most powerful video I have seen on mainstream TV was the video, shown on CBS Evening News with Dan Rather (remember him???) gathered through FoA’s efforts, of Alaskan wolves caught in snare traps and being “dispatched” by a man standing only a few feet away from the snared wolf, firing more than a dozen shots from a small caliber hand gun into the screaming wolf. FoA’s campaign has, from its inception, battled against the killing of Alaskan wolves by any means and for any reason. It is unfair and untrue to claim that FoA has ‘implicitly’ supported killing by other means when FoA dedicated its resources to opposing ALL killing of wolves. Please note that FoA has persevered through this campaign without having one single women expose her breasts on behalf of the wolves . . . True radicalism lives!
Gary, I do not want to get into a back and forth but would like you to expand on how we, as activists, create campaigns that do not, by omission, implicitly endorse some ‘less cruel’ exploitation of sentient beings. I struggle within my community and constantly offend those who claim that any diminution of the suffering of animals is a worthwhile goal. A rather tired example is the devotion of so many local activists to PETA’s KFC campaign. I have burned many relationships with my criticism of a campaign that asks nothing more of the public than they eat their chicken somewhere else besides KFC…
Since then, you seem to have swapped your own arguments for those of Francione. Although Francione might have “debated” you out of a commonality of views with FoA, we are not obliged to drop our commitment to interventions because of Francione’s views, some of which are internally inconsistent and currently obsolete. We’d like to have agreement, of course, but we are not impressed with blog bullying. That’s not how animal lives will be spared, or how the cultural tendency to domination is overcome.

Pulin: I find it odd to see activists continually make a case for what amounts to a giant embarrassment for everyone.]]> 2008-08-15T02:14:56Z dustin@friendsofanimals.org Dustin Rhodes, Friends of Anim 96.231.107.49 wp_id=165273;date=2008-08-14 23:21:02-04:00
That's interesting. Experience has taught *me* that P-TA's tactics have turned vegans off AR activity and closed the minds of the general public to AR issues at all. Two unfortunate examples:
1) Your attempt to get a newspaper ad in Manitoba to capitalize on the stabbing death of a 22-year-old on a Greyhound bus. Every reaction I've seen and heard in regards to this was outrage and subsequent condemnation of any message P-TA may have.
2) Your bid to advertise on the Mexico/US wall telling Mexicans that they may not want to escape to the US because of the US diet.

These 'campaigns' certainly grab attention - and you are destroying the credibility of the AR movement while you do so.

"PETA makes a point of offering something for all tastes-from the most conservative to the most radical and from the most outrageous to the most refined"

Perhaps this is the main problem. You are trying to be too many things to too many people (obviously to maximize membership). Even what few good campaigns you have, they are lost in the chaos, and P-TA itself is seen as only contradictory in its message. Respect animals, but don't respect women. Be compassionate and peaceful, but insult people from time to time. Be a vegan, but don't be picky about what you eat. Believe in animal rights, but support their commodification.
It's no wonder that I hear so often of "former vegans". With such a confusing message from the "largest AR group" in the world, people are going to miss the most important message of all.

"In the quarter-century since PETA was founded, it has grown into the largest animal rights group in the world"

You cannot be an animal rights group while you actively kill animals and campaign for organizations that kill animals on a large scale. I don't see how this can be refuted.
You also cannot claim to be an animal rights group when you obviously don't know the meaning of animal rights. You feel Peter Singer's book "Animal Liberation" is the epitome of animal rights literature. Peter Singer himself has said his utilitarian philosophy has nothing to do with rights.

"with more than 2.0 million members and supporters worldwide."

Yes, your sensationalist campaigns are good at getting membership. This is also why you frequently claim victory when there's factually nothing to celebrate - so that your members can be happy about another "landmark" event and pay you more money.
By the way, how many of those two million are vegan?]]> 2008-08-15T03:21:02Z niilov@hotmail.com Niilo John Van Steinburg 24.68.230.51 wp_id=165360;date=2008-08-15 18:20:12-04:00
I also commend them for NEVER taking shots at other groups, no matter what. Despite opportunities to do so, PETA has never condemned the ALF nor would they ever offer a reward for the capture of anyone involved in ALF activity, as HSUS was so quick to do. They would not protest the activities of other groups, as FOA did.

If tactics turn someone off vegan activity, they were not true vegans to begin with. Despite my lack of respect for the actions of HSUS and FOA, I will not abandon the cause of animals, although I will never give any support to either of these groups or any other that would rather argue with other groups than spend time/resources fighting for animals. You do not have to agree with everyone else's tactics, but you do not have to try to polarize support for AR either.]]> 2008-08-15T22:20:12Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.120.208 wp_id=165373;date=2008-08-15 21:01:31-04:00 2008-08-16T01:01:31Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.88.199 wp_id=165378;date=2008-08-15 21:51:08-04:00
http://www.peta.org/feat/PETAM...

LOL!]]> 2008-08-16T01:51:08Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.88.199 wp_id=165407;date=2008-08-16 11:19:26-04:00
It's not an even-handed criticism of large animal rights groups if only their perceived flaws, but not their advantages, are pointed out. Such criticism is undeniably biased. Even-handed criticism means to weigh both (all) sides of an issue.

Nor is it "simply stating the obvious" if you cannot point to a single documented case where FoA has compromised a campaign for its financial benefit. If it's so obvious, point to just one instance. Of course, no entity can spend resources it does not have -- but that's not a compromise -- that's a reality. But that is true of small grassroots groups as well (and I know this well from my activist experiences). Sometimes a small group will call off a planned demonstration because it cannot garner enough support for it. Maybe the time of the demo is inconvenient because the group's members have to work, and "depend upon (their work) for their income, their mortgage payments, their cars, etc.."

You state that as a general principle "FoA opposes all killings." You then state of FoA and Peta that "both organizations sometimes compromise these principles." Once against you fail to give a single case in support of your argument. Perhaps, and on your say-so, you know FoA, but you appear not to know it well enough to make a rational argument in support of your positions.]]> 2008-08-16T15:19:26Z bm@anonymous.disqus.net BM 67.86.58.42 wp_id=165826;date=2008-08-20 16:44:04-04:00
64 Honest Vegan
You are a private actor, so I’m not worried about FoA’s member’s 1st Amendment Rights. I thought you valued speech, including dissent. My mistake.


As WP implied free speech works both ways. Other people are also free to express their opinions about your words and deeds. That includes WP. As far as valuing dissent, if WP didn't, there wouldn't be 82 comments on this blog, a number of which express a difference of opinion with WP's views.]]> 2008-08-20T20:44:04Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=166541;date=2008-08-25 14:33:06-04:00
Will's comments are that he doesn't want FoA to "go out of their way..." FoA doesn't go out of their way to speak out against groups like, PeTA, they only respond when PeTA or HSUS does things that confuse the general public about what animal rights really means. Unfortunately for all animals, PeTA does this far too often.

You are trying to infer that the number of dissenting comments on this blog is indicative of WP's valuing of dissenting views. WP isn't foolish enough to prevent dissenting comments on his blog, but that doesn't mean he approves of dissenting comments.

-Scott]]> 2008-08-25T18:33:06Z scott_geiger@anonymous.disqus.net Scott Geiger 69.244.126.131 wp_id=166610;date=2008-08-25 22:45:52-04:00 2008-08-26T02:45:52Z scott_geiger@anonymous.disqus.net Scott Geiger 69.244.126.131 wp_id=167069;date=2008-08-29 22:57:01-04:00 2008-08-30T02:57:01Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.94.112 wp_id=167688;date=2008-09-02 12:46:12-04:00 2008-09-02T16:46:12Z rachelrosnick@gmail.com rachel 150.212.3.126 wp_id=168166;date=2008-09-05 13:02:16-04:00 http://www.peta.org/feat/abc-s...]]> 2008-09-05T17:02:16Z rachelrosnick@gmail.com rachel 71.182.176.248 wp_id=169144;date=2008-09-11 12:09:23-04:00
Q&A:

1. If you're not allowed to disagree with each other, then what are you? A cult!

2. If you acknowledge that non-human animals can be exploited in any way whatsoever by humans, then what are you? A speciecist!

3. If you think that Peta is fighting for the rights of non-human animals and not commodifying them even further, then what are you? A welfarist jackass!]]> 2008-09-11T16:09:23Z trojanpro@gmail.com Reminiscence 84.114.44.192 wp_id=169532;date=2008-09-13 11:21:59-04:00
Reforming how animals are made into nonpersons/products -- as PeTA does -- is antithetical to animal rights. (In fact, so-called "humane" products are a marketing tool for animal enterprise that has encouraged animal use.) Collecting and killing homeless animals -- as PeTA does -- is antithetical to animal rights, and beyond that it's despicable.

Clearly, PeTA is not an animal rights group. The members of Friends of Animals who objected to PeTA's support of KFC did not criticize fellow animal rights advocates. The problem here is mislabeling PeTA.]]> 2008-09-13T15:21:59Z dantonio482@aol.com Ellie Maldonado 64.12.117.70 wp_id=169535;date=2008-09-13 11:33:44-04:00
Interesting article Will and interesting comments by the readers.

As an activist who's been involved with the greater animal advocacy movement for some 15 years, I'm fairly well read on most of the hot issues and the controversies within this greater advocacy movement. I feel that I have a good grasp of the arguments on all sides; I'd like to think that I'm fairly objective.....afterall, some of my views throughout the years have encompassed positions that could be rightfully argued as antithetical to the other views I've held (or hold). More often than not, there has been plenty of work by advocacy orgs that I can applaud and agree with. I do not officially represent any organization and yet I am a very active advocate on behalf of animals (here's a little more on me: http://www.satyamag.com/jun07/... ). While I do hold strong opinionated views, I am very open to hearing, discussing, and considering views that I don't have much knowledge of or currently hold.

It is clear that the FoA protest in question is not the only activity that FoA is involved with. Also, the direction and demeanor of the FoA (and accompanying activists) protest seems to be focused and mature. In the past, there have been some public criticisms made by FoA representatives of other groups or animal advocates in general that I've completely disagreed with because these criticisms were not focused and / or were immature in my opinion. Nonetheless, I find there is value in a group of activists getting together to criticize another group's PARTICULAR campaign(s). FoA in their protest in question didn't appear to be stating that everything PeTA does is wrong or that anyone who supports PeTA is doing an injustice to animals and the movement for animal rights. Positions were intended to be advanced by the protest protesters. Whether or not those positions were understood is another topic altogether....it appears that some or many people did 'get' some of the points that were trying to be advanced. Because of this, I don't think that the 'counter-protest' was a waste of time nor do I think it hurts the animal RIGHTS movement (if one actually exists)...there's no meaningful evidence presented in Will's article nor the comments that follow to show this. If anything, focused, mature criticism of one's own extended circle of activists (and activist orgs) (and more appropriately, the activist's campaigns and behavior) is healthy for a movement's self-shaping, clarity of position and goals, and advancement. Bottom line: there is an appropriate time, place, and way to dissent and FoA here has made no faux pax here in my opinion.

This brings me to the issue of those in the greater animal advocacy movement who believe that any and all criticism of others within the movement is inappropriate or even divisive....there are many who feel this way, evidenced by some of the comments in this discussion thread alone. To me, it is not only completely arrogant and disturbing of someone who wishes to denounce and stifle well intentioned and meaningful criticism of others in the greater movement, but it is a very dangerous belief and activity to pursue this attempted marginalization of other's meaningful criticism. Meaningful criticism is mainly about getting ourselves to reflect on a different perspective that is felt to be of importance or value to the benefactors (the animals in this case) of the movement's efforts. It's about the re-assessment of ourselves as a better advocacy movement. It can also be about getting the public to understand that there are those who disagree with the status quo way of doing things...the PeTA's and HSUS's. For animal activists to wish to stifle other animal activist's specific and focused meaningful criticism's of campaigns and positions within the greater animal advocacy movement is akin to an environmentalist who is intentionally marginalized by those in the environmental movement simply because she is critical about 'environmental' organization X continuing to support the wholesale consumption of meat (which is widely acknowledged to be a greatly unsustainable source of "food") and said organization also having meat served at every get-together or event. Can you see how her being marginalized (told that her criticisms have no place in the environmental movement and that her criticisms are divisive) is unhealthy for the cause or the supposedly intended benefactors of the movement? It works the same way within the animal advocacy movement. I'm not stating that all criticism is justified, but we need to not be marginalized when critical of each other if there is an important (to the benefactors) issue at hand and when it is done in a way that is focused and mature.

Warmly,
LG]]> 2008-09-13T15:33:44Z sexyvegan@nyc.rr.com SexyVegan 74.65.208.155 wp_id=169575;date=2008-09-13 14:41:12-04:00
The difference is Friends of Animals supports the personhood of nonhuman animals and the integrity of animal rights advocacy. Both are extremely important because conscious living beings will never have rights unless both are understood.

It's appropriate for animal rights advocates to object to any group that makes deals with and promotes an animal enterprise -- and for PeTA the objection is twofold, because not only does it support animal enterprise, it falsely claims to represent animal rights.

In contrast, I think the HSUS reward is a PR tactic. Recently, animal users have been claiming that HSUS hired "terrorists". So I suspect the reward offered by HSUS is an effort to show it does not support "terrorism".]]> 2008-09-13T18:41:12Z dantonio482@aol.com Ellie Maldonado 205.188.117.70 wp_id=169583;date=2008-09-13 15:08:54-04:00 2008-09-13T19:08:54Z dantonio482@aol.com Ellie Maldonado 205.188.117.70 wp_id=169648;date=2008-09-13 21:49:14-04:00
I've seen photos of hunters posing with exhausted or injured wolves. They're all smiles because they delight in killing. And after the wolves are dead (or at least made unconcious), they hang their bleeding bodies on the outside of their aircraft, as a trophy they're proud of.

It's beyond me how anyone could object to the effort to end this.]]> 2008-09-14T01:49:14Z dantonio482@aol.com Ellie Maldonado 64.12.117.70 wp_id=169807;date=2008-09-15 11:37:17-04:00 http://blog.peta.org/archives/...]]> 2008-09-15T15:37:17Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=224415;date=2009-07-09 21:42:12-04:00
"If one wants to focus on abolitionist only campaigns, then fine but spend your time doing that not telling others that they should be focusing on those campaigns."

Other AR advocates who are promoting a welfare-to-rights approach are the people most likely to be receptive to an abolitionist message. If I can't reach most of the general public any more effectively than PETA can (I assuredly cannot; most people will ignore ANY AR message, whether it's abolitionist or welfarist in context), Aran's saying here, essentially, that I shouldn't even be advocating for abolitionism on a one-to-one level with my fellow animal rights advocates and vegans?

When, exactly *should* I be a vocal, active abolitionist?

I accept that this is a complex issue with well-intentioned folks on all sides, who *want to do something meaningful for animals*. But it's not really about the people. If PETA and the rest of the neo-welfare movement aren't willing to listen to ANY criticism from folks *within* the movement on issues of tactics and message, well...we're not going to get anywhere as a movement. Any movement that can't brook legitimate dissent within its ranks isn't ever going to be able to effectively do anything but preach to (its own particular) choir.]]> 2009-07-10T01:42:12Z babble777@gmail.com Ward Chanley 98.150.56.31 wp_id=224416;date=2009-07-09 21:46:04-04:00 2009-07-10T01:46:04Z babble777@gmail.com Ward Chanley 98.150.56.31 wp_id=225353;date=2009-07-28 21:38:36-04:00 2009-07-29T01:38:36Z arthursmilios@yahoo.com Vegan Socialist 208.120.231.116 wp_id=164327;date=2008-08-07 11:27:25-04:00
Of course, the "conversation" got more petty: "FoA is not as popular as PETA, therefore keep your mouth shut." "FoA hasn't accomplished as much as PETA, so keep your opinions to yourself." I really wonder how people know what they know. I might work for FoA, but this is not the forum for talking about our accomplishments. But if anyone is interested, genuinely, in what we do, please visit our website. Please give us a phone call. Let's talk.

That entire thread is an illustration that this us versus them mindset, insidious as it is, has infiltrated even those of us who consider ourselves progressive; as people who believe we are challenging this very system. When did animal activists become so mean-spirited, small minded and self-righteous? When did posing genuine questions become harmful to a movement?

Some of the people who blindly, unquestioningly accept every action that is promoted in the name of animal advocacy by organizations like PETA, HSUS, et. al. frightens me to no end. For that matter, I'd hope that Friends of Animals members and supporters would ask questions and voice concerns, engage in a productive and constructive dialogue. The last thing we need is uncritical endorsement. That's not how the very best ideas are advanced.

Free speech, I think, is a beautiful thing. I don't have all the answers as far as animal rights goes. But there is nothing that interests me more. Nothing. It is my personal hope that this desire is guiding force behind dialogue---not a desire to cut people down or degrade them because they have different ideas about what it means to be an animal rights activist.

I can say with much certainty that the demonstration that took place in Victoria was inspired by a genuine desire to see change in our society---a transformation in the way humans view each other and other animals. I am disturbed by the way that message has been received by some; how unwilling we are to question authority. Yes, it's a cliche, but I cannot imagine anything more apt: You have to be the change you want to see in the world.]]> 2008-08-07T15:27:25Z dustinbuster@gmail.com Dustin Garrett Rhodes, Friends 151.200.49.16 wp_id=164330;date=2008-08-07 11:38:59-04:00 2008-08-07T15:38:59Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=164331;date=2008-08-07 11:48:53-04:00 2008-08-07T15:48:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=164334;date=2008-08-07 12:11:25-04:00
For some animal activists, the fact that I was critical of a counter-protest automatically means I'm supportive of the "other side." And for some right wingers, the fact that I'm critical of labeling activists as "terrorists" somehow means I'm supportive of burning SUVs. I guess it's easier, in many ways, to compartmentalize and simplify these issue like that. But I think this story about HSUS shows that things are much, much more complicated.]]> 2008-08-07T16:11:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=164338;date=2008-08-07 12:34:45-04:00
HSUS made a bad move. But we must understand: corporations are corporations; they do things that make them look good, that will make them popular with a broader range of people, and will just keep law 'enforcement' off their backs. It always boggles my mind when people are so surprised that an animal rights corporation does something that seemingly contradicts their mere existence.

As an anarchist, I don't believe any of these big businesses are our savior. A politician is just as worthless as the one that came before, a CEO just as corrupt as her peers. You're correct in saying that this is a culture war, but let's not forget about the class war, too. There are plenty of vegan capitalists running around, and to that end, they will always support the government in hopes of securing their comfy position. No capitalist with a lot of money wants to think about potentially NOT having a lot of money. By the way, does anyone know what Ingrid Newkirk's salary actually is?

My point is this: forget about PETA. Forget about HSUS. Support them as much as you personally believe is possible, for you, but don't stop supporting smaller, grassroots organizations. Don't stop supporting collectives, and worker-owned businesses. Don't stop doing everything you possibly can to end oppression and injustice, whatever that may mean to you.

Don't stop fighting. This nightmare is not sustainable. It will end, but not without a bitter struggle. Remember that all movements are connected and try to have some solidarity with all fellow activists. The power belongs to the people!

- lantz.]]> 2008-08-07T16:34:45Z lantzarroyo@hotmail.com lantz. 24.21.130.131 wp_id=164339;date=2008-08-07 12:53:48-04:00
You make an excellent point. I wasn't sure where you were coming from, honestly. But I didn't see you as trying to interject your opinions on those issues in the first place. Seemed like you were framing this only in the context of anti-terror laws---which is what you do. I am glad you wrote that post because it gave me a lot to think about. I am grateful for that. But you are right: it's easy to oversimplify and compartmentalize and not consider the issue critically.

I don't suppose you are interested in sharing your thoughts on those issues, are you?]]> 2008-08-07T16:53:48Z dustinbuster@gmail.com Dustin Garrett Rhodes, Friends 151.200.49.16 wp_id=164350;date=2008-08-07 13:49:37-04:00
Dustin: Thanks for saying that, and for thanks for your previous comments. I think these dicussions (of all elements of strategy, tactics and goals related to this) are important to have, all the time, even when they get uncomfortable. As to your question, I told myself when I started this site that I would keep it narrowly focused on Green Scare issues, and I want to (try) to stick to that, but I will say that I think one of the most important things for the animal and environmental movements to do right now is make connections with other social movements--both currently and historically--and learn from their experiences. Best, Will]]> 2008-08-07T17:49:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=164381;date=2008-08-07 18:42:03-04:00
This is major fuel for the Green-Scare fire and really hurts peaceful activists everywhere.

And all of the hardcore vegan armchair-istas who are cheering these bombings on at Indy Media, etc..- are not helping the chances of having the truth behind this revealed any time soon.]]> 2008-08-07T22:42:03Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.81.124 wp_id=164396;date=2008-08-07 21:32:15-04:00 "This issue so dwarfs the Peta bikini talk, but there are only 7 comments?"

I KNOW!!!! What gives? In my mind this is much more significant.

What do you all think?]]> 2008-08-08T01:32:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.56.76 wp_id=164418;date=2008-08-08 02:11:20-04:00 2008-08-08T06:11:20Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.120.208 wp_id=164454;date=2008-08-08 09:16:49-04:00
I do think it's inevitable that violence toward people will increase by some people drawn to radical eco and animal activity, especially as non-violent methods are cracked down on by the government. People are going to be forced to really think about just how far they're willing to go to defend the helpless ... letter writing, property destruction, or murder like John Brown. And how effective is any of it? Is reason and compassion enough to overcome greed and indifference? Does violence against a much larger and more violent opponent have any chance of success or is it just a way of blowing off frustration and anger? Are you acting out of any expectation that you're actually going to change the world or do you need to do what you believe is right regardless of the consequences?

On the other hand, the pro and anti PeTA opinions have been around for a long time, and the various factions involved in these issues give each other a lot more attention than the general public does. It's more emotionally rewarding to debate them even though they're less important.]]> 2008-08-08T13:16:49Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.93 wp_id=164475;date=2008-08-08 14:19:45-04:00 http://weblog.signonsandiego.c...
And here's my e-mail to Pacelle through his blog:
While I also don't agree with people firebombing others' homes, please don't take the side of the animal-abuse industry. The HSUS donated $2,500 to find whoever committed the most recent firebombing (and the CCF still managed to bash you for it), but if a firebombing had occurred at the house of some average Joe, the HSUS wouldn't get involved. Also, while circumstantial evidence may point to an AR perpetrator, we don't know for sure that it was committed by someone in the AR movement. Finally, I just read that you support a bill outlawing cyberstalking of animal researchers. Isn't cyberstalking of anyone illegal? It may not be in California, and if that's the case, then focus on outlawing cyberstalking in general. Don't protect only animal abusers.]]> 2008-08-08T18:19:45Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=164484;date=2008-08-08 15:43:59-04:00
BTW - Condemning violence that could hurt humans or animals is not protecting vivisectors.

A fire bomb could not only kill people and pets, but spread fire throughout a city. Then how much less popular would AR be?

That's why these actions, (whether committed by activists or not) hurt ALL AR activists.

I'm going to demonstrations this (and pretty much every) weekend, and we get enough bullshit just trying to stand on the corner exercising our 1st amendment rights.]]> 2008-08-08T19:43:59Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.81.124 wp_id=164501;date=2008-08-08 20:47:17-04:00
But AR activists shouldn't be engaged in violent actions at all. It's antithetical to the movement, and frankly we wouldn't be where we are now if they hadn't.]]> 2008-08-09T00:47:17Z fusfeld@yahoo.com Honest Vegan 207.239.15.34 wp_id=164506;date=2008-08-08 21:07:13-04:00
That's one of the biggest and most inaccurate myths about this "Green Scare. I'm writing a much longer post about it, to publish in the next week or so, but for now consider this excerpt from my history of the Animal Enterprise Protection Act. http://www.greenisthenewred.co.../

Prior to more extreme crimes like the Santa Cruz bombings, key supporters of the law were pushing to label things like "pies in face" as "terrorism." They even said, point blank, that this wasn't about cracking down on tactics, it was about cracking down on anyone who supports animal rights:

“Congressmen and women who are sympathetic to the cause of animal rights must be reminded that they are aiding and abetting terrorism."]]> 2008-08-09T01:07:13Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.64.52 wp_id=164600;date=2008-08-09 14:40:43-04:00
This is in response to California dam must not be breached (Editorial) http://www.feedstuffs.com/ME2/...;
type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=AA01E1C62E954234AA0052ECD5818EF4&tier=4&
id=6F3F259E892B4329B83E0B0AAFFCE2A6

On the article, it did not say who wrote the editorial so I am sending this to the entire editorial staff. My apologies if this doesn't concern you.

Anyways- I think you guys have it very wrong. You claim that "They also will not stop with animal welfare. There are ethical and humane reasons for cage housing and stalls that are supported by animal ethicists and scientists. However, animal activists debunk them in pursuit of their true agenda, which is a vegetarian nation, which activists readily acknowledge and which is outlined on the HSUS web site." There is no way possible that any animal activist organization would be able to force their vegetarian ways upon our society. They can suggest it all they want, but there is no possible way that they would be able to put a law through congress banning the sale/consumption of animal products. While they want people to become vegetarians, they aren't doing any harm. They are just like you, but with opposing views. You guys want people to eat animal products because it makes you money; and that is fine. They want people to stop eating animal products out of ethical and moral reasons, and that is fine as well. People are free to eat as they choose, and it simply isn't possible to make all, or even most people eat one way or another. But to use the slippery slope defense to further your views is pathetic - protecting animal welfare in an industry that makes it easy to abuse animals does not equal turning everyone vegetarian. Not even close. You should support animal welfare - for moral reasons. Whatever your religion, almost all religions say that people should respect animals because they are God's creatures, and disrespect an animal is to disrespect God. That doesn't mean to stop eating animals, but that doesn't mean you should feel that 'God put animals on earth for our consumption". We should live in harmony with animals, not mass killing them or milking them and turning them into products. As a vegetarian myself, I do not force my views on others. I don't even mention it half the time, and few people even realize it. But when people ask me my views, I tell them that I don't eat meat for my personal morals, but whether they choose to eat meat or not is up to them. But they should be respectful of the animal, and not buy mass produced animal products. Why? because many local farmers let their animals roam freely on their land, and then kill them or milk them when the time is right. Animals don't belong on an assembly line or confined to cages. They should be free to roam happily until their time comes to be consumed by us. Please, have some empathy towards the animals... I'm sure you wouldn't want to be in a cage your entire life, or most of it.

Thank you for taking the time to read this,
Ashley Handlin

PS - I have no connection to any animal rights organization. While I support most organizations in views, I have no connections what so ever and my views may or may not represent major animal organizations.

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Like I said in the letter, this is just my personal views, which is pretty much animals first. I do not care if not everyone is a vegetarian, it is not my goal to convert people to something they have no interest in. But I feel that animal rights, the ability to live a long life freely while in the confines of a farm before being killed or milked for consumption is a goal that is much more likely to be reached than to stop everyone from eating meat and dairy all together. Do as you choose, but please do it respectfully.]]> 2008-08-09T18:40:43Z asher2789@gmail.com Ashley Handlin 72.89.79.140 wp_id=164659;date=2008-08-09 22:24:01-04:00
The other guy uses mouse embryos. Frankly, compared to primate research or factory farming, I don't see why this attracts an arson/attempted murder attack.

Finally, what is "eco" or "green" about any of this? Preserving species of animals is an ecological issue, but mouse embryos? That makes about as much sense as liberating a bunch of minks and setting them free in the wild to reek havoc upon the local wildlife.]]> 2008-08-10T02:24:01Z zigbelt@gmail.com Reality Check 99.147.151.164 wp_id=164664;date=2008-08-09 22:38:21-04:00 2008-08-10T02:38:21Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.88.199 wp_id=164730;date=2008-08-10 05:35:02-04:00 2008-08-10T09:35:02Z ssamos@juno.com Damail 71.111.3.153 wp_id=164763;date=2008-08-10 12:36:41-04:00 2008-08-10T16:36:41Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.120.208 wp_id=164787;date=2008-08-10 15:39:10-04:00
That is very interesting that your neighbor is a yeast researcher. If it's true, then that would seem to confirm my suspicion that this action does not seem to fit the pattern as being an animal liberation action. It also could explain why the authorities have refused to identify this person - but readily identified the first target. If they told the press that the second person was, in fact, a non-animal researcher, it would undoubtedly lead to some questions, like, "well, was this really animal activists then? How do you know it was?" It would also lend credence to the idea that this was the work of agent provocateurs. No animal activist, I don't believe, would ever even so much as protest yeast research - let alone take such drastic steps as a firebombing.

Is your neighbor Manuel Ares?]]> 2008-08-10T19:39:10Z jeremy@primatefreedom.com Jeremy Beckham 98.202.50.129 wp_id=164822;date=2008-08-10 21:42:41-04:00
You have shown us once again how violent and hate-filled the radical left is. Yes, I care about people. I even care about people who disagree with me. You obviously don't.

People on a mass scale will look at this horrific event and walk away from the extremists. And you will never recruit them for your "cause". Ever.]]> 2008-08-11T01:42:41Z ssamos@juno.com Damail 71.111.3.153 wp_id=164843;date=2008-08-11 01:53:09-04:00 2008-08-11T05:53:09Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.120.208 wp_id=164897;date=2008-08-11 13:46:17-04:00 2008-08-11T17:46:17Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=164899;date=2008-08-11 14:16:51-04:00
Ingrid Newkirk makes something in the area of $30,000 a year. Now that seems like a fortune to me, but as far as the heads of "non-profit" activist groups go, it's way on the low end of the spectrum. Not that I care for PETA, but I gotta respect her for that at least.

FYI--violence and property destruction has been an integral part of achieving gains in EVERY. SINGLE. SOCIAL. JUSTICE. MOVEMENT. No exceptions. If you think significant gains were made without it, you are seriously misinformed. See, for example, Nelson Mandela (Nobel Peace Prize for a "violent extremist," imagine that!) and the African National Congress, the abolition of slavery (though it still exists, we gotta get busy), America's breaking away from the British empire, the civil rights movement, and on and on and on. The only problem with violence and property destruction in the animal rights and environmental movements is that it's not yet widespread enough.]]> 2008-08-11T18:16:51Z harrymontone@hotmail.com Harry 69.181.190.128 wp_id=164913;date=2008-08-11 17:15:35-04:00
Like I said, this kind of nightmare is not sustainable, but the only way it will change is with a bitter struggle. I support the heroes that put their lives on the line for what they believe in, in ANY social justice movement. Why should there be a difference between an ALF warrior and a Zapatista? There isn't.

This is an interesting discussion. Because the attack in question was not claimed by any sort of animal rights organization, that means -- are you ready for this? -- it was NOT DONE BY AN ANIMAL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION. This guy must have some enemies elsewhere in his life. Not our problem. He can just buy a new car anyway, right?

- lantz.]]> 2008-08-11T21:15:35Z lantzarroyo@hotmail.com lantz. 75.175.84.96 wp_id=164924;date=2008-08-11 18:32:00-04:00
The ALF is unorganized and unarmed. They have pledged to never endanger a human's or animal's life.

People are making a lot of noise about revolution, but we're lucky to get 10 people to a lawful protest. I know it's not revolutionary enough for some people, but everyone please do something.

Don't just sit in the cheap seats throwing popcorn at us :-P]]> 2008-08-11T22:32:00Z cubestar@gmail.com Cubestar 72.11.81.124 wp_id=164927;date=2008-08-11 19:32:27-04:00
What I'm saying is that there should be more solidarity across movements. It's got nothing to do with who's armed and who isn't. One struggle, one fight. That's my overall point.

My other point is that, sure, it takes all types to bring about change. But we live in dire times. "Lawful" protests can only get you so far. And in case you haven't noticed, the aboveground activists are the ones that the Green Scare is actually targeting. Again, don't expect the State to come to your rescue. I don't believe in reform. You can dress up a turd however you like, but at the end of the day, it's still a turd that looks and smells like a turd.

Capitalism is a turd. And we can dress it up however we want, but ultimately, it's the root of the problem. Not everyone is cut out to engage in hardcore direct action (I'll be the first to admit that I'm not), but I find it pointless for you, or for anyone to condemn underground as opposed to aboveground tactics.

- lantz.]]> 2008-08-11T23:32:27Z lantzarroyo@hotmail.com lantz 24.20.136.43 wp_id=164934;date=2008-08-11 21:00:21-04:00
First, the convenient timing for the University of California system. This was a perfect impetus for them to get AB 2296 passed - even in their own words. So they clearly would have a motivation to staging a false flag attack.

The coffee shop flyer is very strange - and not really keeping with any behavior I've seen of any activist group in my years as an activist. I don't know why someone would post a list of scientists at a random coffeeshop - but nowhere else (including the web!) - that apparently included so many people that weren't vivisectors.

On top of all this, it appears all but confirmed now that the target of the car firebombing was a researcher studying RNA splicing in yeast named Manuel Ares. Although authorities won't publicly confirm this (even though they were happy to confirm the first target - isn't that funny?) many signs point to this. We have the statement on this very thread. Then, we plug in Manuel Ares' name into Google's white pages and we find that he lives on Dickens Way - a stone's throw away from Feldheim's house (also found on Google's White Pages). And what else do we know about Dickens Way? Well, according to the Sentinel, that was the location of where the car firebombing happened.

So, can someone please tell me why the hell any animal activist would be so outraged at YEAST research to firebomb someone's car? I mean for god's sakes, most vegans EAT (nutritional) yeast! And why wouldn't the University of California or the FBI hurry to tell the public that this second target DOESNT EVEN DO ANIMAL RESEARCH? Combine this with the fact that AB 2296 failed to pass before because so many senators were troubled that it only protected (and therefore made a protected class of) ANIMAL researchers rather than academia as a whole...

Something is very, very fishy here folks - and we all should demand answers from the FBI and the UC system - why haven't you told the media that the second person targeted wasn't even an animal researcher?]]> 2008-08-12T01:00:21Z jeremy@primatefreedom.com Jeremy Beckham 98.202.50.129 wp_id=164935;date=2008-08-11 21:03:24-04:00
http://www.latimes.com/news/pr...

Maybe that's common for homes in California - but it certainly isn't in Utah.

And before someone says "maybe he took those precautions because he was afraid of animal rights people" - I would like to point out:

A) Very, very rarely are mouse vivisectors even mentioned or protested, let alone the target of something like this
B) Why wouldn't he have also made the much simpler step of delisting his phone number/address (which was readily found on Google's White Pages - which simply uses community white pages).]]> 2008-08-12T01:03:24Z jeremy@primatefreedom.com Jeremy Beckham 98.202.50.129 wp_id=164949;date=2008-08-11 23:59:01-04:00
I agree with a lot of what you say, but not the part about capitalism being the root of the problem. Bring down capitalism without stopping production, you still have the destruction of the natural world and commodfication of life, human and nonhuman alike. It doesn't matter what government system we have, as long as there are this many humans consuming at this level in a manner that is not bioregionally sustainable, we're fucked. The future of life on this planet is fucked. The root of the problem is not capitalism, but civilization (especially industrial) in its entirety. We need to stop it before it makes the planet unlivable.

Thanks for the great discussion :)]]> 2008-08-12T03:59:01Z harrymontone@hotmail.com Harry 69.181.190.128 wp_id=164995;date=2008-08-12 11:37:55-04:00 I think you raise some excellent points that have been completely lost on not only the mainstream press, but activist groups as well. Everyone is really, really jumping the gun on this, and swallowing the PR statements of industry groups, university flaks and FBI agents as the gospel. There are so many things about these crimes that just don't add up. Will]]> 2008-08-12T15:37:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=165013;date=2008-08-12 15:10:10-04:00
"Not everyone is cut out to engage in hardcore direct action (I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not), but I find it pointless for you, or for anyone to condemn underground as opposed to aboveground tactics."

So you - like so may people I know - are stuck in an idealistic/activistic paralysis pickle. Above ground is not hardcore enough, but you don't think that direct action is worth the risk to you personally. It really just sounds like you're talking yourself out of doing anything for AR beyond prisoner support?]]> 2008-08-12T19:10:10Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.81.124 wp_id=165026;date=2008-08-12 20:01:49-04:00 2008-08-13T00:01:49Z harrymontone@hotmail.com Harry 69.181.190.128 wp_id=165027;date=2008-08-12 20:13:33-04:00 2008-08-13T00:13:33Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.81.124 wp_id=165030;date=2008-08-12 20:35:00-04:00
(he's partial to vegan danishes as well)]]> 2008-08-13T00:35:00Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.81.124 wp_id=165043;date=2008-08-12 22:34:05-04:00 2008-08-13T02:34:05Z harrymontone@hotmail.com Harry 69.181.190.128 wp_id=165103;date=2008-08-13 12:39:09-04:00
The pamphlet found days before also contained at least 3 mistakes in targeting, some quite sloppy and egregious. If that pamphlet is connected--and that remains to be proved--then we have more of a context in which to understand how a yeast researcher would be bombed by animal rights (if it was animal rights, which also remains to be proved).

We actually don't need to veer off track into speculations or even know the truth at this point to have grave questions and concerns here, on "both" sides in fact. Indeed, if seemingly noninvolved, virtually random people were targeted we have something that is indeed very terrifying.]]> 2008-08-13T16:39:09Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 63.249.86.204 wp_id=165157;date=2008-08-13 21:59:15-04:00 2008-08-14T01:59:15Z harrymontone@hotmail.com Harry 69.181.190.128 wp_id=165214;date=2008-08-14 12:59:29-04:00
I don't accept as sacred writ the claim that he is merely using yeast. I agree 110% that vivisectors lie, lie, lie. I state that he doesn't appear to be using animals only after my own personal research.

If Manuel Ares is using live animals, he certainly has never published a paper about it it or received a grant from the federal government to conduct animal experimentation. That much is verifiable. The only thing I've turned up on pubmed.gov and NIH's CRISP database are research projects involving yeast, and research on mouse cells or involving rabbit antibodies. So, it is true that he has used tissues derived from animals. While this isn't vegan and it supports vivisection/cruelty, typically, our movement hasn't really campaigned against or focused on these people nor described them as "vivisectors".

I'm just trying to put myself in the mind of someone who would want to do something so drastic and risk decades of my life in prison. Given the thousands of vivisectors in California, including some hideous ones in very nearby San Jose (Stanford University), it seems unlikely that I would do such a thing over someone using cells derived from mice.]]> 2008-08-14T16:59:29Z jeremy@primatefreedom.com Jeremy Beckham 98.202.50.129 wp_id=165292;date=2008-08-15 02:51:37-04:00
I have lived on campus very near, like 4 doors down, from the researcher for 25 years. I have my own ways of knowing that are not media or ideological fantasies. And besides, even I went to the completely obvious and freely available ways to check it out, like UCSC's web site and other places. I mean how hard is it to figure out?! Just type in "yeast" to UCSC, and you have confirmation. Like hello? anyone home?

I am getting really tired of listening to pure crap. You want to say something, especially something inflammatory and defamational, then take responsibility for your own actions, demonstrate that you actually do give a rat's ass about it all, and do your homework before you foist a bunch of foul and sinking garbage on the rest of us and expect us to do the work of clean up.

I mean, how many steps is it to hurl a bomb from this kind of ignorance and blindness, by virtue of either insanity or ideology if the two can even be separated in a case like this.

In other words, from Surf City itself, just chill dude.]]> 2008-08-15T06:51:37Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 63.249.86.204 wp_id=165293;date=2008-08-15 03:15:49-04:00
Need I say what I see? the face of irresponsible, ideological blindness run amok, yet at the same time claiming to be more ethical that thou. Give me a break. No wonder if it was people so blind that they bombed the wrong house.

And I'm not speaking out of my butt either. I have spent time with people from ALF. Tried to learn and discuss the issues with them. While I appreciate the ethical and passionate commitment, what I really found was pure brainwashing to the point of complete insanity. For instance, the often repeated argument that if the person was bombed in protest of animal abuse it follows that the person had to have been involved in animal abuse. Yeah, that makes lots of sense. We'll just put the cart before the horse and switch around cause and effect, not to mention responsible actions, just because of a set of beliefs that have to be maintained, by any means necessary, not just bombs but worse--delusional insanity and denial. Sure that makes the world a whole lot better, that ends suffering, that is ethical....

Wake up. Smell the coffee and realize it reeks of poisonous crap. And if you maintain it that is your business, but don't impose it on me or anyone I know and certainly don't bomb someone's home at dawn while they are asleep and vulnerable and then have the whacked out nerve to defend it. Who do you think you are? Don't answer that because I really don't want to know.]]> 2008-08-15T07:15:49Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 63.249.86.204 wp_id=165333;date=2008-08-15 13:04:06-04:00
•Why would animal rights activists target so many who are not connected to animals? It is clear from various sources online and in print that at least as many as 4 people were targets that do not have anything to do with animals. And one of those targets is the researcher whose car was bombed. What would have happened if the pamphlet either didn't exist or hadn't been planted at the cafe? In other words, with only the two firebombings alone, we have no connection to animal rights at all because that is not something the two researchers had in common.

•Say it is an animal rights related group of some kind, why would they not double check the facts about the targets? especially if they are leaving a pamphlet in public, which is bit odd anyway, and intending to use rather serious actions such as firebombs. Animal rights activists have been at this a long time; they are not amateurs nor completely arbitrary (usually) so how does one explain all the "mistakes" and apparent randomness?

•Why would the story come out as about animal researchers being firebombed when that wasn't true and is so easy to verify? And why would that fact never be corrected or retracted? So that the public all over the country now thinks it has to be animal rights related and nothing else, as if that were a given when there are so many unanswered questions?

•Why have not the regular media, independent media, alternative media, investigative media, or any other group tried to put all of this together as a story of interest, one that changes the way we see the whole thing? Sorry for the sidebar, but hello? is everyone asleep?

•Why has not UC or any law enforcement come out with a statement about the facts here, especially since lots of people already know about it and more are learning and bound to learn? a statement merely confirming the widely known and easily verifiable fact that the researcher on campus did not work with animals? Why wouldn't they want to that part of the information to come out? It is not only in the interest of truth, but it is in the interest of general public safety. Don't we deserve to know? especially if the set of erroneous targeting implies that the general public is at risk?

•Who could possibly benefit from this situation? How does the animal rights cause benefit, exactly, with widespread condemnation, catalyzed internal in-fighting, reactionary backlash, impending crackdowns, and even further restrictive legislation? What is it that they are actually thinking about all of this within their own groups? Is there anything for them to do or say about all of this? Will we only get silence and not know why?

And that is only to begin with some of the more obvious questions that are raised. Is anyone interested in them at all? And if so, what are the concerns and implications? If not, why not?]]> 2008-08-15T17:04:06Z archipelago@anonymous.disqus.net archipelago 63.249.86.204 wp_id=165336;date=2008-08-15 14:13:53-04:00
I hope you realize that you undoubtedly fund and perpetuate activities far more egregious and ethically disgusting when you shop at a grocery store, buy furniture, drive a car, pay taxes, etc. etc. etc. Maintain some perspective, please.]]> 2008-08-15T18:13:53Z harrymontone@hotmail.com Harry 69.181.190.128 wp_id=165357;date=2008-08-15 17:58:12-04:00
when random people are targeted, threatened, and attacked?

when firebombs go off at private residences that are connected to each other and even share walls with neighbors?

when they go off just before dawn, at time that virtually guarantees that not only will people be inside, but they will also be fast asleep?

when there are at home young children, who are vulnerable in all sorts of ways, but in particular are not psychologically or physically equipped to respond swiftly and effectively to danger so are at greater risk than a sleeping adult who is in turn at greater risk than a wakeful adult?

when people who are involved in the actual threats do not even bother to get the facts before they make those threats or indeed before they activate a firebomb?

when people who are involved in the issues at stake do not even bother to get the facts before they make all kinds of statements that have dubious ethical grounds?

when the community of activists involved, whether they had to do with the events or not, applaud without bothering to check to make sure that what happened was even to be considered part of their own cause?

when those activists refuse to listen to any other than what they want to believe is true because the Cause, the Cause?

when people concerned with ALF related things refuse to even look at the issue at all from any perspective? including one that is sympathetic and concerned that this could harm ALF directly and even possibly be a set up?

So tell me what is the correct perspective then?]]> 2008-08-15T21:58:12Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 63.249.86.204 wp_id=165359;date=2008-08-15 18:08:43-04:00
Anyway--the AR people have always held to a higher standard than the vivisectors. If they did not, there would be dead vivisectors by now. So please don't complain about the lack of ethics on the side of the AR movement while completely omitting any reference to the much higher disregard of ethics by those who exploit animals.]]> 2008-08-15T22:08:43Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.120.208 wp_id=165371;date=2008-08-15 20:32:24-04:00
So go ahead and do something really helpful and informative such as cast some more doubts and innuendo around, this time on an anonymous poster about which you haven't a clue nor would it be possible for you to either. As if that mattered anyway, which it doesn't. It simply defies reason to say that who I am or what I do, especially when unknown and unknowable, has any bearing on evaluating the validity of statements made.

Were I a self-professed and readily verifiable cannibal of small children, you still wouldn't have an "argument" that held any merit about my statements. Because it isn't even an "argument" in the first place.

So how about if we start all over? and discuss what really matters here? Like why it is that anyone would firebomb a researcher who works with yeast?]]> 2008-08-16T00:32:24Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 63.249.86.204 wp_id=165374;date=2008-08-15 21:26:33-04:00
http://www.metrosantacruz.com/...

The article not only touches on issue debated here, but it cites what is debated here, so I would think people might be interested.]]> 2008-08-16T01:26:33Z archipelago@anonymous.disqus.net archipelago 63.249.86.204 wp_id=165385;date=2008-08-16 00:07:20-04:00
Thanks very much for posting that relevant link. Best, Will]]> 2008-08-16T04:07:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.7.220.175 wp_id=165386;date=2008-08-16 00:12:07-04:00 GreenIsTheNewRed.com! Ha ha. Ok, now I REALLY think it's a relevant article (just kidding). Will]]> 2008-08-16T04:12:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.7.220.175 wp_id=165388;date=2008-08-16 00:46:57-04:00
To the matter about which you posted, which seems to be about double standards and/or possible hypocrisy, I simply ask you where it was that I actually stated what you say I think?

Perhaps if you point to where I say what lead you to your conclusions, I could sort it out. As it stands, without any idea where your statements come from or even a hint about what they are based on, there can't be anything I can say, one way or the other.]]> 2008-08-16T04:46:57Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 63.249.86.204 wp_id=165391;date=2008-08-16 01:34:16-04:00 2008-08-16T05:34:16Z archipelago@anonymous.disqus.net archipelago 63.249.86.204 wp_id=165541;date=2008-08-17 15:37:22-04:00
thanks for posting that article. It was an interesting read. But I must say that OF COURSE Erik Marcus has a problem with stuff like this. He's not fighting for animal liberation (although he may think he is). He's maintaining the status quo. He's worked for 18 months just to get UCSC dining halls to stop serving battery cage eggs? What a fucking colossal waste of time! If you know anything about "cage-free" eggs, you'll know why. A self-proclaimed animal rights activist using that much energy to achieve nothing substantive for animals is just pathetic. Perhaps Erik should read through this:

http://www.peacefulprairie.org...]]> 2008-08-17T19:37:22Z harrymontone@hotmail.com Harry 69.181.190.128 wp_id=165543;date=2008-08-17 15:41:30-04:00
I encouraged you to maintain perspective because you condemn these actions so strongly, and yet you don't seem to have a problem with the far greater violence perpetrated by vivisectors, or with the far greater violence we all condone with our daily lives (i.e. the mass extinction of plants and animals currently being enacted by industrial civilization).

As far as the yeast thing goes, I'm not too convinced on that one, as I stated above. If it were a mistake by the activists, and the car owner were merely a yeast researcher, it seems the authorities and university would be fiercely publicizing it, not going so far as to hide the identity of the car owner.]]> 2008-08-17T19:41:30Z harrymontone@hotmail.com Harry 69.181.190.128 wp_id=165567;date=2008-08-17 22:07:08-04:00
I may have misunderstood, but I took that to mean that you did not believe that AR people should be involved in bombings due to their high ethical standards. If you meant something else, please explain what you were talking about. Thanks!]]> 2008-08-18T02:07:08Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.42.203 wp_id=165575;date=2008-08-18 01:48:23-04:00
So I am completely stumped. How can anyone get through to you if you persist in this manner and just seem to have a willful disregard for what might the truth, and is at the very least verifiably true as a fact?

Why you then, both, refuse to look at evidence that is relevant, and instead choose to support more doubts and innuendos without any proof whatsoever or even a logical and sound argument in the place of facts, just boggles my mind.

Either look up the facts or not, but please to make statements based on your own stance to remain in ignorance and fanstasy. For some of us who were traumatized by the events, it is a hurtful and thoughtless thing to do and say. Plus it just adds more unnecessary heat without light to the thread, and shows you in a very bad light.]]> 2008-08-18T05:48:23Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 63.249.86.204 wp_id=165621;date=2008-08-18 19:38:44-04:00 2008-08-18T23:38:44Z harrymontone@hotmail.com Harry 69.181.190.128 wp_id=165707;date=2008-08-19 15:38:34-04:00 2008-08-19T19:38:34Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=166007;date=2008-08-22 00:29:42-04:00
I take a vegan approach to eggs, and I have seen the Peaceful Prairie piece you mention, and do not dispute it, and I respect and appreciate the rowk they do. However, I also respect pattrice jones, who runs a chicken sanctuary in the middle of commercial chicken country, and whom I have had the pleasure of conversing with on several occasions. She writes:

"While frustrated by captivity and deprivation, uncaged birds do not suffer the extreme psychological duress of being immobilized in a small space that precludes movement to relieve acute pain. These inferences are supported by our experiences at the Eastern Shore Sanctuary, where 'spent' hens from both types of facilities have found refuge. In our experience, the degree of injury evident in hens who have spent full terms in battery cages is much more severe than that of hens who have spent an equivalent amount of time in cage-free facilities, in terms of overall physical health, number and extent of specific injuries, and level of psychological trauma as expressed by behavior. (This is not to say that hens
coming from uncaged facilities have no injuries or trauma, just that the condition of hens coming out of battery cages is, in our experience, substantially worse.) Spent hens from battery cages arrive nearly bereft of feathers and with visible abrasions on their
wings and necks. Some are initially unable to walk due to crippled feet and all remain most susceptible than most birds to foot injuries. Some are physically able to walk but seem not to be able to conceive the possibility. It may be days before such birds venture to try to walk. The level of panic and terror expressed by these birds is difficult to describe. Their behavior is considerably more frantic and disordered than that of other newly arrived birds (including those from cage-free egg facilities) and remains so for
some time.
Thus, even if confined in the least enriched of cage-free egg facilities, hens would experience a considerable improvement in both physical and psychological well-being through the abolition of battery cages. Further, the sheer impossibility of confining the
same number of hens in cage-free facilities means that, if widely implemented, the abolition of batter cages would result in a reduction of the number of hens confined for purposes of egg production."

So there is room for debate on whether abolishing cages in a facility results in a significant improvement for hens.]]> 2008-08-22T04:29:42Z gary@animalwritings.com Gary 70.179.96.84 wp_id=166009;date=2008-08-22 00:31:05-04:00 2008-08-22T04:31:05Z gary@animalwritings.com Gary 70.179.96.84 wp_id=166305;date=2008-08-23 22:52:00-04:00 WHY IS A PERSON WHO OPENLY SUPPORTS VIOLENCE AGAINST LIVING CREATURES ALLOWED TO BE A SPOKESPERSON FOR THE DIRECT ACTION ANIMAL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, MOSTLY CONSISTING OF THE A.L.F., WHICH HAS CONSISTENTLY FOLLOWED GUIDELINES OF NOT HARMING ANY LIVING CREATURE?
FUCK JERRY VLASAK. SOMEONE MAKE HIM SHUT UP. HE IS AN IDIOT.
Fuck the FBI and UC for using this arson to scare up support for a bill protecting vivisectors from public scrutiny. And double fuck them if they had something to do with this arson!
It is highly doubtful to me that AR people had anything to do with this. How many times have you heard of teenagers running around late at night setting things on fire randomly? It happens all the time. But if AR people DID have something to do with this, they obviously made horrible mistakes, and should compensate the family in some way (perhaps anonymous re-payments, since I wouldn't like to see a witch-hunt style trial that sent the idiot arsonists to jail for absurd sentences for the PR value of the FBI), and they should NEVER ENGAGE IN DIRECT ACTION AGAIN! They obviously don't have the mental capacity to handle it. BUt again, I find it highly doubtful that AR people were responsible.

PS- Will, this website is totally awesome and I really respect and apprieciate all the hard work that must go into it.]]> 2008-08-24T02:52:00Z none@none.org xveganx 212.112.242.89 wp_id=166382;date=2008-08-24 11:42:26-04:00 2008-08-24T15:42:26Z ads@a.com asdas 72.95.236.151 wp_id=166406;date=2008-08-24 15:25:18-04:00 2008-08-24T19:25:18Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.42.203 wp_id=166415;date=2008-08-24 17:02:07-04:00 2008-08-24T21:02:07Z korsyn@gmail.com chris 69.119.38.94 wp_id=168727;date=2008-09-08 18:13:05-04:00 http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/...

My blog post about his post:
http://diggingthroughthedirt.b...

Pacelle shares readers' comments about his post. Of course, not mine or any others that disagree with what the HSUS did:
http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/...]]> 2008-09-08T22:13:05Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.144.233.193 wp_id=168739;date=2008-09-08 19:38:59-04:00 2008-09-08T23:38:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.0.125 wp_id=166511;date=2008-08-25 10:44:20-04:00 The State Department admits as much, noting that activists “push the envelope right up to the line where another step would mean they are breaking the law.” In other words, most of these “terrorists” aren’t committing any crimes.

Lolz. "Some of these activist even drive FIFTY FIVE MILER PER HOUR in a FIFTY FIVE MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT ZONE. One more step would mean they are (dun dun dun) breaking the law."]]> 2008-08-25T14:44:20Z matthewstrugar@hotmail.com matthew 209.212.80.175 wp_id=166513;date=2008-08-25 10:58:47-04:00 Clearly the government needs more power to go after those drivers, Matthew, who are livin' on the edge and about to take things too far...]]> 2008-08-25T14:58:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=166514;date=2008-08-25 11:20:20-04:00 2008-08-25T15:20:20Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=166526;date=2008-08-25 12:57:57-04:00
Yes, repression is a sign of progress. The power is in the streets, where it has always been and always will be.]]> 2008-08-25T16:57:57Z lantzarroyo@hotmail.com lantz. 76.115.0.69 wp_id=166531;date=2008-08-25 13:17:57-04:00 When you put it that way... I clearly need a career change.]]> 2008-08-25T17:17:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=166542;date=2008-08-25 14:41:32-04:00
It’s a harrowing glimpse at what this country has become: the dissolution of all lines between corporate interests and government interests, between “terrorism” and free—albeit controversial—speech.


I wonder if Europeans living during the Middle Ages thought about the Catholic Church the way modern Americans think of corporate America. The people can see the power, but for some reason a "separation of [church|corporation] and state" seems to be slow coming.]]> 2008-08-25T18:41:32Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=166543;date=2008-08-25 14:44:22-04:00 2008-08-25T18:44:22Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=166544;date=2008-08-25 14:49:43-04:00
3 Tracy
The connection between corporations and government is so sleazy that I have to keep something pattrice jones said at AR2008 in my mind: Activist repression is a sign of progress.


I don't want to be a web blanket. I know, surprise, a cynical vegan, but.... corporate/government action isn't necessarily a sign of AR activist power. It could just as well be a sign of corporate paranoia and a sign of them having huge enough resources in being able to afford to go after any slight problem.

I do like the idea that the repression is a sign of progress, that the AR movement is a big enough fly for Corporate America to bother to try to slap it.]]> 2008-08-25T18:49:43Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=166545;date=2008-08-25 14:51:17-04:00 A good flier, "Know Your Rights," from the National Lawyers Guild and ACLU is here.

Also, I hear the NLG is updating it and making a flier specifically for animal rights and environmental advocates.

And as always, there's the NLG "Green Scare" hotline, 1-888-NLG-ECOL.]]> 2008-08-25T18:51:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=166561;date=2008-08-25 16:36:48-04:00 Beat the Heat?]]> 2008-08-25T20:36:48Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 71.225.5.181 wp_id=166563;date=2008-08-25 16:57:33-04:00 http://tinyurl.com/5h5kgf

Also found these interesting books on Amazon while looking that up:

"Arrest Proof Yourself" ( author is an ex-cop )
http://tinyurl.com/arrestproof...

"How To Be Invisible"
http://tinyurl.com/howtobeinvi...]]> 2008-08-25T20:57:33Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=166584;date=2008-08-25 19:51:04-04:00
Michael]]> 2008-08-25T23:51:04Z turton.michael@gmail.com Michael Turton 140.116.243.66 wp_id=166591;date=2008-08-25 20:30:34-04:00
I'll take complements wherever I can get them.]]> 2008-08-26T00:30:34Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=166595;date=2008-08-25 20:54:52-04:00
And Stephen: Love that response. Pretty flattering, coming from the State Department!]]> 2008-08-26T00:54:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 99.207.183.229 wp_id=166596;date=2008-08-25 21:09:52-04:00 2008-08-26T01:09:52Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=166602;date=2008-08-25 21:55:10-04:00
I suggest you take a second look at the very first slide.

“Although incidents related to terrorism are most likely to make the front page news, Animal Rights Extremism is what’s most likely to affect your day-to-day business operations…”

And also the "Business Response & Countermeasures," which is the heart of the presentation and is ENTIRELY about protecting corporate profits. This isn't me reading into this, it's point blank, in the words of the State Department presenter.]]> 2008-08-26T01:55:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 99.207.183.229 wp_id=166603;date=2008-08-25 21:59:12-04:00 http://www.animalagalliance.or...

are several podcasts which focus on "animal rights" terrorists and FBI involvement and survillance. It's always interesting to get the perspective of what your "opponent" think. It is good that AR activists may have more influence than what we thought.]]> 2008-08-26T01:59:12Z bea.elliott@verizon.net Bea Elliott 71.98.227.229 wp_id=166604;date=2008-08-25 22:00:47-04:00 2008-08-26T02:00:47Z bea.elliott@verizon.net Bea Elliott 71.98.227.229 wp_id=166606;date=2008-08-25 22:07:36-04:00 2008-08-26T02:07:36Z belleclairenala@yahoo.com Babs 209.23.169.224 wp_id=166612;date=2008-08-25 22:49:12-04:00 2008-08-26T02:49:12Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=166642;date=2008-08-26 04:32:44-04:00
Keep up the good work, you Soldiers and Soldierettes of Helpless Critters.

A boy has never wept nor dashed a thousand kim.]]> 2008-08-26T08:32:44Z nick.nafsack@gmail.com Nick 79.179.249.219 wp_id=166710;date=2008-08-26 12:40:44-04:00 2008-08-26T16:40:44Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.42.203 wp_id=166735;date=2008-08-26 15:36:52-04:00 2008-08-26T19:36:52Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com Steve 65.125.12.222 wp_id=166791;date=2008-08-26 22:24:27-04:00 2008-08-27T02:24:27Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=166860;date=2008-08-27 13:13:53-04:00
As this presentation makes clear, that isn't the real concern. The real concern is successful tactics. That's why a mainstream, legal, nonviolent conference is profiled by saying:

“Although many legitimate activists attend these events, the conference holds workshops on successful tactics used against your companies…”

The "countermeasures" you mention in the previous comment, about taking another route home, are in the context of making sure activists don't get information that can be used for home protests. (Which are controversial, yet legal).

Will]]> 2008-08-27T17:13:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=166862;date=2008-08-27 14:28:31-04:00
Some animal rights activists have talked about how they wouldn’t oppose violence if it happened, but it’s been just that: talk.


In an earlier time such conversations were called "parlor talk". I wish it would stop. It leads to bad impressions which are bad for all kinds of activists, especially direct action ones.]]> 2008-08-27T18:28:31Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=166887;date=2008-08-27 21:23:30-04:00 2008-08-28T01:23:30Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=166891;date=2008-08-27 22:37:53-04:00 2008-08-28T02:37:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.7.207.172 wp_id=166914;date=2008-08-28 08:33:02-04:00 2008-08-28T12:33:02Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=166917;date=2008-08-28 09:14:03-04:00
If this is just a case of the government trying to offer advice, isn't it curious why such presentations aren't being made about the anti-abortion movements, KKK, militias or right wing groups?]]> 2008-08-28T13:14:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=166945;date=2008-08-28 18:07:16-04:00 2008-08-28T22:07:16Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 68.104.42.203 wp_id=167210;date=2008-08-30 22:13:07-04:00 2008-08-31T02:13:07Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=167496;date=2008-09-01 12:48:46-04:00 2008-09-01T16:48:46Z bwmmiller@nexicom.com Uncle B 76.75.94.137 wp_id=167536;date=2008-09-01 17:05:59-04:00 2008-09-01T21:05:59Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=167591;date=2008-09-01 23:34:32-04:00 The government doesn't need more power, the Constitution needs to be restored by the people, you commie bastard.]]> 2008-09-02T03:34:32Z silencergroup@gmail.com silencer 65.87.249.13 wp_id=167648;date=2008-09-02 08:52:03-04:00
Joe, I honor McCain's military service. He was a war hero. From now until the end of time he deserves a certain minimum of respect.

However, that was about 40 years ago. Being a war hero does not elevate him to god hood and it does qualify him to be president. As a presidential candidate he is open to criticism as all presidential candidates are. Given his path we have proof that he is tough enough to handle it.]]> 2008-09-02T12:52:03Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 208.59.174.155 wp_id=167708;date=2008-09-02 15:17:31-04:00
This is ridiculous:
"'Although many legitimate activists attend these events,' the presentation notes, 'the conference holds workshops on successful tactics used against your companies…'"

They admit that tactics are legal, so why do they distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate (?) activists? Perhpas the distinction is between ineffective and effective activists? It's OK to stand outside with signs and have stupid people yell at us as they drive by, but anything other kind of activism is too . . . successful?

Just FYI, this is a more detailed article about Heather Mills at AR2008:
http://animalrights.about.com/...]]> 2008-09-02T19:17:31Z animalrights.guide@about.com Doris 96.242.20.3 wp_id=167762;date=2008-09-02 19:11:00-04:00
This presentation is poorly written and formatted, and there's no way it came from a government office. It's a hoax.

For an example of an "official" OSAC document, please refer to this publication, which helps American businesses manage risks while operating overseas:

https://www.osac.gov/Files/get...]]> 2008-09-02T23:11:00Z mac@spam.la Mac 71.7.184.139 wp_id=167765;date=2008-09-02 19:41:03-04:00
I verified this presentation with two different sources.]]> 2008-09-02T23:41:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.127.139 wp_id=168151;date=2008-09-05 10:20:09-04:00 2008-09-05T14:20:09Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 217.41.41.172 wp_id=168173;date=2008-09-05 13:53:15-04:00 2008-09-05T17:53:15Z harrymontane@hotmail.com Harry 24.130.142.58 wp_id=168174;date=2008-09-05 13:55:14-04:00 2008-09-05T17:55:14Z harrymontane@hotmail.com Harry 24.130.142.58 wp_id=168175;date=2008-09-05 13:56:35-04:00
p.p.s. <3 kathy <3]]> 2008-09-05T17:56:35Z harrymontane@hotmail.com Harry 24.130.142.58 wp_id=168262;date=2008-09-05 23:20:44-04:00 2008-09-06T03:20:44Z asher2789@gmail.com ashley 137.142.177.211 wp_id=168265;date=2008-09-05 23:35:02-04:00
Harry, you are just an asshole!]]> 2008-09-06T03:35:02Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=168384;date=2008-09-06 21:22:03-04:00 2008-09-07T01:22:03Z harrymontane@hotmail.com Harry 24.130.142.58 wp_id=168571;date=2008-09-07 23:47:36-04:00
As for allowing you freedom of speech--I think any AR activist would agree that you are completely free to SAY whatever you want. However, when you ACT to take the lives of innocent animals, that is quite another matter and, if you get death threats, just remember those are actually coming from the animals, via those humans who speak on their behalf. So--threats of murder in response to acts of murder. Doesn't seem too outrageous to me.]]> 2008-09-08T03:47:36Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.173.63.161 wp_id=168862;date=2008-09-09 10:27:21-04:00
As for your ridiculous suggestion of human control, who should we start with...you?]]> 2008-09-09T14:27:21Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=168912;date=2008-09-09 17:55:40-04:00 2008-09-09T21:55:40Z anniemall@anonymous.disqus.net Anniemall 76.104.104.160 wp_id=168934;date=2008-09-09 20:15:45-04:00
Humans are indeed the only ones with seriously problematic population. Overpopulated animals aren't destroying the life support systems of the planet. And most of the time, animal populations are only thrown out of balance when humans massacre predators (for example, aerial gunning wolves, gassing coyotes in their dens or poisoning them with arsenic, and so on).]]> 2008-09-10T00:15:45Z harrymontane@hotmail.com Harry 69.181.187.214 wp_id=169012;date=2008-09-10 09:48:47-04:00
As for what you've done, Joe-- preserving the wilderness so that people can murder (MY definition) animals and fish is NOT doing anything beneficial. No doubt you have contributed greatly to the cause of Animal Welfare, but most Animal Rights people see AW for what it really is--the continued mistreatment of animals while easing the conscience of abusers. So--what you have "accomplished" means nothing to me and the fact that you dismiss human population control as a "ridiculous suggestion" just goes to show how out of touch with the environment you really are.

My point is that I find it ridiculous for you to complain about being victimized while you making a living from victimizing others. People like you should really learn from your moment of standing in the shoes of another but, remarkably, you never seem to do so.]]> 2008-09-10T13:48:47Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.173.63.161 wp_id=182400;date=2008-12-18 10:53:03-05:00 In addition, as for your definition of murder, Joe, there is also another one that describes it as, "to kill or slaughter inhumanely or barbariously", which is just what happens to the wildlife and fish when they are hunted(or MY word is more like stalked and ambushed) and caught, esp those who are shot with bow and arrows, where they suffer for DAYS on end from punctured lungs and VERY slow suffocation and drowning in their own blood, and pulled out of the water with a hook in their EXTREMELY SENSITIVE lips, thrashing and fighting for their lives.
These animals are LIVING BEINGS, just like humans are! They are NOT here for us to "manage" by killing, maiming, abusing, and eating them, any more than they here for us to wear or use for our own entertainment agendas.
As for the over-population problem, if we would leave the natural predators ALONE, instead of making rugs, clothes, food, luggage, etc out of them we wouldn't have that problem--animal populations would be allowed to manage themselves, in the natural order of things, and it was meant to be. Also, if we'd respect animals' territory instead of running them out of their homes with industrialization and housing developments being put RIGHT in their home path, they wouldn't have to go clamouring for a place in the world by running out in the roads and being hit by cars, winding up in people's back yards in search of food because the vegatation they would normally feed on is gone, [thanks to us brilliant humans] breaking into people's houses looking for shelter because they're forests, swamps, and
lands are disappearing, thus creating conflicts with us that we've ulitmately brought on ourselves with our greed and selfishness.
We need to realize that we are NOT the only species on Earth! We need to start coming up with ways in which to build and play that won't cut into the habitats of the creatures who share this world with us and are here for their OWN reasons and to serve their own purposes, and to have a state of mutual, non-might-makes-right, respect for their space and their rightful place in the world.]]> 2008-12-18T15:53:03Z antcheek@sbcglobal.net Lisamarie 68.89.172.124 wp_id=184993;date=2009-01-03 13:42:46-05:00 They are frightening, implicated in criminal activity, and I would never hire them.
Lawsuits often yield resources for more action. In this case, clear evidence. Sue.]]> 2009-01-03T18:42:46Z hiddenmail@mail.com Alex Berkman 96.232.54.180 wp_id=195142;date=2009-02-06 13:14:33-05:00 2009-02-06T18:14:33Z lynch.julian@gmail.com Julian 76.208.71.52 wp_id=218933;date=2009-05-02 10:00:42-04:00 Aren't you signed up to Jerry's list?
Take your pick:
http://www.animalliberationpre.../
http://www.naalpo.org/]]> 2009-05-02T14:00:42Z dhth@hotmail.com Denis Alexander 76.171.38.3 wp_id=223372;date=2009-06-25 09:26:07-04:00 2009-06-25T13:26:07Z daeggman@charter.net Eggman 68.191.34.84 wp_id=167678;date=2008-09-02 11:52:15-04:00 2008-09-02T15:52:15Z gumbycascadia@yahoo.com Gumby 75.175.89.245 wp_id=167686;date=2008-09-02 12:41:04-04:00 2008-09-02T16:41:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=168023;date=2008-09-04 12:39:09-04:00
Thanks for your commitment, I've relied on you to keep me updated but I'm curious why you've kept Chris McIntosh? He clearly is no longer part of the movement anymore. Such a pity for this guy who apparently walked over to the dark side.

Cheers,


Cedar]]> 2008-09-04T16:39:09Z cedar@anonymous.disqus.net Cedar 96.251.166.51 wp_id=169821;date=2008-09-15 14:58:21-04:00 2008-09-15T18:58:21Z dragonoak@dragonoak.com DragonOak 96.15.185.238 wp_id=169827;date=2008-09-15 17:00:43-04:00 2008-09-15T21:00:43Z willys36@gmail.com Willy 129.82.84.176 wp_id=169889;date=2008-09-16 08:44:36-04:00 2008-09-16T12:44:36Z author@eezywriter.com P.L. Reiter 72.161.110.208 wp_id=170215;date=2008-09-17 15:10:49-04:00 2008-09-17T19:10:49Z melmcg0013@gmail.com Mel 67.152.83.146 wp_id=170218;date=2008-09-17 15:16:13-04:00 2008-09-17T19:16:13Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=170330;date=2008-09-17 23:35:32-04:00
I'm pro-green, and pro-animal rights, but I strongly disagree with the criminal tactics used by the green extremists. Hurting people - whether physically, emotionally, or financially - is wrong. No matter how important your cause is to you, the ends do not justify the means.]]> 2008-09-18T03:35:32Z mallory2504@yahoo.co.uk Mallory 81.110.166.230 wp_id=170454;date=2008-09-18 09:19:18-04:00 I've never said that the actions you listed aren't crimes, and I also haven't said that the problem here is those activists going to prison for their crimes. The problem is that the government is singling out one group of people for much, much harsher treatment than others who commit the same crimes, and it's politically motivated.

Bigger than that, though, the true danger of all this "terrorism" rhetoric is that it's having a chilling effect, and making people afraid to use their First Amendment rights. Regardless of how you feel about illegal tactics, or environmentalism, that should be a concern to everyone.]]> 2008-09-18T13:19:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=172151;date=2008-10-02 06:02:15-04:00 If You Think/Believe that it would be/is Wrong to $Financially Impact Any/EveryBody (Industry,Corporations,Etc.) That $Profit From the *Pain,Suffering,Torture,DEATH* of Others ? If You Really Truly DO Believe that? YOU = NOT 'Pro RIGHTs' (Of/For AnyThing)

THEE / What is W R O N G is The $Financial Gain from the KILLing,
DEATH of Other ~LivingBeings~.

EveryBody SHOULD Know (Inherintely) Thee DIFFERENCE Between
RIGHT - WRONG

$Profit From Death = W R O N G
'Interference' Of/With ^ Those Profits = R I G H T (as RIGHT as it GETS)

siiiigh]]> 2008-10-02T10:02:15Z hec6ubus66@yahoo.com ConcernedCitizen 67.185.21.181 wp_id=220804;date=2009-05-20 16:44:26-04:00 2009-05-20T20:44:26Z flublilky@gawab.com ArcarpWaferet 66.232.111.77 wp_id=222510;date=2009-06-11 11:38:44-04:00 2009-06-11T15:38:44Z kellyesparks@hotmail.com Kelly 137.148.164.254 wp_id=222755;date=2009-06-15 11:34:16-04:00
Additionally, vegans and their ilk in the animal liberation front are ignorant of evolutionary evolution and the anatomy of homo Sapien. We'd have multiple stomachs, all molars, probably chew cud, and would be a prey species with the features and behavior thereof. Meat consumption is one of the big reasons our evolution and brains were turbo-charged and the amino acids Only found in meat our bodies definitely need. P.E.T.A. and their ilk need to get a clue and apply their revolutionary energy where it is Logically needed.

Last but not least, if it wasn't for animal research, little things like Asprin wouldn't exist and humans would be the guinea pigs.
IF one can prove animal cruelty is being practiced at a research facility (extensive legal evidence beyond a shadow of doubt), go ahead however one needs to make a point for the cause. Otherwise, keep your kooky false opinions to yourself and your compatriots (or even better, meditate upon what you believe and test how true or false it Really is and why). We need Reason and cold logic in the Progressive/Leftist movement not, lunacy and mindless zealotry.]]> 2009-06-15T15:34:16Z mullinbart@yahoo.com Bart 71.9.17.15 wp_id=223542;date=2009-06-27 07:39:02-04:00 2009-06-27T11:39:02Z janeth3518@yahoo.com home made wind generators 64.53.129.110 wp_id=229031;date=2009-09-30 18:29:49-04:00 2009-09-30T22:29:49Z jalust@aol.com Judy Lust 207.200.116.8 wp_id=229782;date=2009-10-15 14:19:57-04:00 Montanans Love their Forests and View them as a wonderful place to bring the whole family together for Camping,Hiking,nature walks,We harvest wild berry's and make them into jams and jelly's for personal use. We harvest wild mushrooms. all of these are renewable resources.
We hunt Only for Food, and are opposed to the words Fish Wild Life and parks uses to define hunting as a "Sport" By Using the word Sport, We are greatly offended by F.W.P. attitudes.
We are Building a Cob Cottage all From renewable resources, It is amazing to us how good the earth is to us if we use common sense Pasted Down from Grandfather to Son.
We preserve our land for future generations, (Home Stead lands)
In the near future, "we' the people will need to take back our State sovereignty, So we can all decide Locally how to best manage our own Lands, It is the Local people who can make informed decisions. Lest get together and Demand State sovereignty.
Linda]]> 2009-10-15T18:19:57Z bralkire@montanasky.com Linda 66.135.70.158 wp_id=230413;date=2009-10-27 12:43:36-04:00 I camp, fish, hike, hunt, and enjoy the wilderness all the time. There is plenty of it, and it is as wild and free.]]> 2009-10-27T16:43:36Z newguy859@hotmail.com zack 74.140.83.95 wp_id=230926;date=2009-11-02 20:50:12-05:00
I believe I could truly be a great activist for your cause, if only the right woman would come and recruit me. Please remember that this is a limited time offer. Sincerely, Mr Warbucks]]> 2009-11-03T01:50:12Z dellammers@yahoo.com Mr Warbucks 76.21.107.199 wp_id=232318;date=2009-11-28 15:49:23-05:00
great job!]]> 2009-11-28T20:49:23Z peace_troubadour@yahoo.com Alex of MPT 71.49.130.123 wp_id=167748;date=2008-09-02 17:37:45-04:00 this Slate article was pretty sick mainstream coverage. Made me happy though...the fella they talked to? I knew him in college. Too bad they made him sound like an ass. He's one of the good guys.]]> 2008-09-02T21:37:45Z brittany.s.shoot@gmail.com b 80.167.110.52 wp_id=167799;date=2008-09-03 01:48:25-04:00 2008-09-03T05:48:25Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=167828;date=2008-09-03 10:16:48-04:00 http://www.twincities.com/rnc/ci_10364066]]> 2008-09-03T14:16:48Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=167829;date=2008-09-03 10:21:09-04:00 http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/mayor/

and the police here
http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/about/administration.asp]]> 2008-09-03T14:21:09Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=167831;date=2008-09-03 10:46:26-04:00 2008-09-03T14:46:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=167877;date=2008-09-03 16:17:18-04:00
I'm trying to decide whether to vote green or democrat. Knowing things like this helps.

Oh, by the way, this: "I’m certain that one day soon police will seriously make statements like “And then the vicious vegan dealt my fist a cruel blow with his teeth”

-- thanks for the laugh! Even in scary times, it's good to laugh.]]> 2008-09-03T20:17:18Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 68.115.164.82 wp_id=167887;date=2008-09-03 16:43:21-04:00 I haven't seen any response from the Democrats. Although Donna Brazille was hit by pepper spray and, instead of questioning the police, said, "I'll avoid the protestors tomorrow."]]> 2008-09-03T20:43:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=168046;date=2008-09-04 15:30:51-04:00 8 of the RNC Welcoming Committee were charged with felony conspiracy to incite riot and some kind of felony to promote terrorism charges yesterday. they are all out on $10,000 bail right now and holding press conferences. the arrests mostly happened a day or so before the RNC even started and the charges stem strictly from their planning and organizing in the months and years leading up to the RNC,not from any actual incidents of riot or terrorism. sound familiar? i've been out here for it all and it just struck me that you knew some of the defendants from the green scare event we did together here on 12/7/06. i've only got a moment right now, but wanted get word to you if you haven't yet heard. get in touch with those organizers for more details.
leslie]]> 2008-09-04T19:30:51Z lesliejamespickering@yahoo.com leslie james pickering 24.245.40.59 wp_id=168118;date=2008-09-05 02:44:35-04:00 2008-09-05T06:44:35Z bodhimind3@aol.com Bo 69.111.152.96 wp_id=168392;date=2008-09-06 22:20:13-04:00
as for all the police raids and attacks - when do we start declaring we're living in a police state?]]> 2008-09-07T02:20:13Z jimmy@lattitudezine.com jimmy 74.130.213.116 wp_id=169164;date=2008-09-11 19:15:41-04:00 2008-09-11T23:15:41Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.173.63.161 wp_id=168391;date=2008-09-06 22:15:39-04:00 2008-09-07T02:15:39Z nicolevulcan@hotmail.com Nico 66.239.36.134 wp_id=168471;date=2008-09-07 10:37:48-04:00 2008-09-07T14:37:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 99.201.117.74 wp_id=168709;date=2008-09-08 16:37:26-04:00
From http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?... :

Fletcher's statement also included a list of items found in the searches, including PVC pipe, chicken wire and duct tape – believed by police to be intended for locking protesters together in human barricades called "sleeping dragons" – five-gallon buckets of urine, throwing knives, flammable liquids, homemade caltrops (devices used to puncture tires, presumably bus tires), bolt cutters, sledgehammers, protective padding, and plastic buckets cut into shields.]]> 2008-09-08T20:37:26Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.144.233.193 wp_id=168741;date=2008-09-08 19:50:40-04:00 2008-09-08T23:50:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.0.125 wp_id=168883;date=2008-09-09 12:52:44-04:00 2008-09-09T16:52:44Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=169011;date=2008-09-10 09:33:19-04:00 http://www.diggingthroughthedi.../]]> 2008-09-10T13:33:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=169045;date=2008-09-10 16:08:27-04:00 2008-09-10T20:08:27Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=169762;date=2008-09-14 23:31:53-04:00
I encourage everyone to read this informative article about Grand Juries from the Earth First! Journal: http://www.earthfirstjournal.o...]]> 2008-09-15T03:31:53Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 68.10.124.53 wp_id=169767;date=2008-09-15 01:05:40-04:00 The governments job is just to dominate over us and continue to reinforce this civilization which is killing the earth. Tucker, Zerzan, Jensen, they are all right, it's obvious that civilization is killing the natural world, we all know it, it just takes people opening their eyes to understand that this system can't be saved and shouldn't be saved. The system will collapse just as the ones in the past did, it will collapse under its own weight, and it is desirable not because those authors say it is, but because they are right in what it will bring and they are right about this system.
Instead of asking whether he should have appeared before the Grand Jury or not, we should be discussing the oncoming collapse of civilization and what we are going to do to make it easier. I'd reccomend folks check out the work of these authors as well as the Green Anarchy journal to get a better understanding of it all.]]> 2008-09-15T05:05:40Z forager@anonymous.disqus.net Forager 67.61.101.58 wp_id=169795;date=2008-09-15 09:17:29-04:00 "Instead of asking whether he should have appeared before the Grand Jury or not, we should be discussing the oncoming collapse of civilization and what we are going to do to make it easier."

The reason I didn't end with question about something like that it's not the focus of this site. However, I encourage people to use the comments section to talk about anything they choose...
Best,
Will]]> 2008-09-15T13:17:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=169806;date=2008-09-15 11:36:53-04:00 2008-09-15T15:36:53Z y@y.com y 69.114.140.169 wp_id=169856;date=2008-09-15 23:38:26-04:00 It perhaps did come across that way as if I was asking why you didn't ask that, I wasn't directing it towards you as to why you didn't post. I realize that the site isn't anti-civ and assume you aren't either and therefore don't actually expect you to be posting on it anymore than I expect you to be posting whether we need anarchy or not.
My comment was generally directed towards those who are in the comment sections as a way to say that we should be questioning that more than the question you left with in my opinion-just my thoughts on things.]]> 2008-09-16T03:38:26Z forager@anonymous.disqus.net Forager 67.61.101.58 wp_id=169895;date=2008-09-16 09:23:19-04:00 2008-09-16T13:23:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=171780;date=2008-09-28 16:55:14-04:00 "We've always been curious about how setting heavy equipment and SUVs on fire helps the environment. Do these extremists think about the pollution they release into the atmosphere when they deliberately start a fire? Or the potential environmental impact when gas tanks explode after being torched?"
It's the same way that all of those who argue against their actions set up their attack on them; call them terrorists, accuse them of endangering life, and then turn it around on them and accuse them of doing actions destroying the environment. It's a great way to go about it though, just refuse to address the destruction of the natural world that industrialism is doing and instead blame the problem on the people who are actually doing something to stop the ecocide which is threatening to kill off all life. It's pure genius.]]> 2008-09-28T20:55:14Z forager@anonymous.disqus.net Forager 67.61.101.58 wp_id=171788;date=2008-09-28 18:53:33-04:00 2008-09-28T22:53:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.244.252.24 wp_id=172529;date=2008-10-03 15:11:27-04:00 I think it would behoove you not to speculate like you've done here. My reputation within the green anarchist/anarcho-primitivist scene I thought was strong enough that folks wouldn't feel the need to question whether I spoke or not. It's my lawyers advice not to talk to anyone while we see where things lie and do to the approaches taken by the Feds so far it's a pretty ambiguous situation, hence I've been reluctant to shout about it.
How much do I have to do for folks to have some faith in me? Fuck it. Assume what you want. I'll post about this when I have a clearer grasp on the situation, but I can say things out East are different than out West. Perhaps slower, perhaps more contrived. I'm the first person subpoenaed before the GJ in Erie to even come out about it and there was a media storm. I regret not having talked to the media immediately afterwards in a lot of ways, but I can still have contempt hearings, immunity hearings, or just be constantly re subpoenaed, things may be moving slower or they may be moving fast, I don't know.
I have a lot of thoughts on all of this. I'm being responsible here and not risking anything by having some knee jerk response to someone presumptively trying to coy me into an uncomfortable situation. I ask that you respect that.
The GJ in Erie is a desperate one, and we don't know that much about it. I think coming after me was a sign of desperation as I had said in the Erie Times article. How they will respond has yet to be seen. This could be over, but I definitely don't assume so.
I will say this. Aside from the three preliminary questions (name, acknowledgment that I've been subpoenaed and am there to testify) before the five questions. The fifth was 'are you going to plead the fifth to every question' and the whole thing was less than 5 minutes. The other 15 were me signing papers for travel reimbursement and talking to my lawyer.
I agree about issues of silence and coming out. People who know me know this. But I have reason to be cautious here, and having been sick for a month now and trying to cope with the financial stress this has only added to my life, I decided that I should have a much clearer head when I make these decisions.

But I do want to say that GJ laws vary from state to state. I was advised that, at least in PA, the extent of what is said outside the courtroom can lead to revoking fifth amendment rights without granting immunity. Which may not mean a lot when all is said and done, but it's another step to blocking their processes that is taken away.

But, in all honesty, Will, I think I'm having a hard time restraining myself. I know a lot of people talk a mean game, but to be leading the way you are here about your thoughts on what I MAY have done is sickening. I have ALWAYS supported prisoners and anyone undergoing legal battles regardless of our differences. I've been public about all of this, I've drawn a huge light on what has been going on in Erie, and I will always put myself on the chopping block for what I believe. ALWAYS.
The issues of collapse and attacks on civilization are relevant to the 'Green Scare' in every light. Perhaps not being your primary concern should be rethought in light of the fact that you're making blanket statements for how one should treat a political witch hunt. The two are tied together.
And fucking believe me when I say that I've agonized over whether or not to even go. I've talked to people who I respect and people who I don't and weighed it all. Fuck, I've been so ready for the possibility of facing time that I had to bring my family into it. I don't believe in morality. I don't believe one solution always works outside of NEVER TALK TO FEDS/COPS. But I've NEVER judged someone for their decision to either go or not go to the GJ. I trust people will generally make informed decisions if they've gone far enough to be public about the whole ordeal and seek support/advice.
I was served the subpoena at my house. I would have been arrested, transported by the Feds to PA, subpoenaed again, and then held or released up there until my next court date, at which point I would have been arrested again for not showing up. My lawyer did not support a full resist and was one of many people pointing out that it probably wouldn't have changed the outcome. When the time comes to making a forced decision, I'll do what must be done.
But if you JUDGE ME for what I've done, come out and fucking say it. Like any other detractor on the nerd net talking shit, I will fight you on it till I die. Perhaps we should take up the discussion mentioned earlier on the implications of collapse instead of sitting on the internet and puffing chests.
For wildness and anarchy,
KT]]> 2008-10-03T19:11:27Z feraledge@gmail.com Kevin Tucker 75.137.191.32 wp_id=172552;date=2008-10-03 16:58:35-04:00 I think there's definitely some miscommunication here, and after re-reading this post I can see some aspects of what you have said, and others I just wanted to clarify. To be clear, to you and to folks reading this, my criticism of the secrecy of grand juries is a criticism of the entire witch hunt process, not of the people who are targeted by it. I did not intend to give the impression that I was attacking you, because I'm not. As you spelled out, this is incredibly complicated, and in hindsight I should have emphasized that much more in this quick post. And I should have emphasized that my focus on "secrecy" was not, in any way, an implied judgement of you.

I've been consistently opposed to not just the grand jury process, but to public perceptions that someone targeted is guilty by association.

That being said, I do think that these are issues people need to talk more about. My intention with ending with a question was to start that, not to imply that you had said something to the grand jury. I hope this clears some parts of this up, and I hope folks reading this continue to support all activists targeted by grand juries in these political witch hunts. Best, Will]]> 2008-10-03T20:58:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.5.186.75 wp_id=169824;date=2008-09-15 16:24:03-04:00
http://www.dailycal.org/articl...

police SWAT in California using "violent animal rights" scenarios in their training.]]> 2008-09-15T20:24:03Z stop_cal_vivisection@anonymous.disqus.net Stop Cal Vivisection 76.200.171.142 wp_id=169842;date=2008-09-15 20:45:39-04:00 2008-09-16T00:45:39Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=169853;date=2008-09-15 23:21:07-04:00 2008-09-16T03:21:07Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=169921;date=2008-09-16 15:22:11-04:00 2008-09-16T19:22:11Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=170011;date=2008-09-16 22:52:59-04:00 As for your other issues, in many cases the activities of many labs and the identities of the employees are a matter of public record and are freely available.
I personally adhere to a philosophy of non-violent protest, others choose different weapons for their battles, that is their choice and their responsibility. If they commit criminal act then they are criminals, if they claim to be animal rights campaigners that is as irrelevant as the fact that they are bipeds, primates or homo sapiens. Yet the media does not call them biped terrorists, or primate terrorists, or homo sapien terrorists. No they become eco-terrorists and by extension every non-violent environmentalist and animal rights campaigner must also be a terrorist, and no matter how you try to spin it that is very, very wrong.]]> 2008-09-17T02:52:59Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=220128;date=2009-05-14 01:00:28-04:00 Throwing paint at people wearing fur, hitting people with pies, skulking around with your hidden cameras, letting captive weasels free so they starve or devour the local fauna, and generally making total ASSES of yourselves.
Such a bunch of hypocritical, sanctimonious, superiorist, idiotic, pathetic, hyper-emotional, illogical boobs, never in my life have I had the displeasure to watch.
Weinies, ALL of you.
Now, go back to your tofu and alfalfa sprouts.]]> 2009-05-14T05:00:28Z misassistant@yahoo.com oldpink 98.115.236.193 wp_id=220129;date=2009-05-14 01:01:50-04:00 2009-05-14T05:01:50Z misassistant@yahoo.com oldpink 98.115.236.193 wp_id=169909;date=2008-09-16 12:18:59-04:00

Pacelle writes as if the actions of HSUS exist in a political vacuum, and completely ignores the larger political climate.



On a related note, the HSUS puts out a voter's guide. It is completely single issue ( animals ) in its endorsements. Be warned you should use it as point of departure only. Check out your candidates voting history and complete platform.]]> 2008-09-16T16:18:59Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=169911;date=2008-09-16 12:30:20-04:00
If I donate money to an organization to do something for an animal, I don't expect that money to be used to put out a bounty on political activists. Wayne Pacelle's endorsement of this earlier action of his has finished off my image of him as human being I can trust to do the right thing. As far as I am concerned I am done with the HSUS.

I know a number of people who work for the HSUS. I respect them all. I like many of them. I respect the work that they personally do. That hasn't changed.]]> 2008-09-16T16:30:20Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=169915;date=2008-09-16 13:01:56-04:00
The blindness of this man is galling. Has he not read that famous Niemoller quote? Whether he agrees with direct action or not, he has no business contributing donations to this so-called terrorism scare. Is the movement not already divided enough for him? What, is working FOR the FBI and the CIA?

There are animals suffering greatly every day, particularly in the wake of these last two hurricanes; the money set aside for these "criminals" could have been used for the actual benefit of animals, perhaps like taking them from one of the parishes in LA where many were euthanized as a result of the hurricane and moving them to other shelters across the country. Oh, right, but that's a kind of direct action, too.
My mistake.]]> 2008-09-16T17:01:56Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 68.115.164.82 wp_id=169944;date=2008-09-16 16:46:34-04:00
Moreover, the HSUS is smarter than that. They shouldn't let the CCF frame the debate, define the terms, and dictate their actions. They should attack the CCF, not a few radical activists.]]> 2008-09-16T20:46:34Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=170243;date=2008-09-17 16:39:29-04:00 On a side note, the Wu-Tang Clan has in fact been investigated by the FBI and ATF for gun running on tour in the mid to late 90s (for more info check their wikipedia).]]> 2008-09-17T20:39:29Z keep_it_posi@anonymous.disqus.net Keep it posi 74.227.111.95 wp_id=170346;date=2008-09-18 00:26:47-04:00 Frivolous arrest. One activist, Nathan Pope, who lives in the raided house, was arrested for felony perjury. He is being held in lieu of $100,000 bail.

Last week, a woman called in to the local radio show here in Kansas City; her husband had beaten her the night before - slammed her into a doorway while she was holding their two-year-old son - and she wanted advice on whether she should leave him. At the time of the call, he was in jail, waiting for someone to bail his sorry ass out. I forget what the total bail amount was, but the lucky party need only hand over $60 to the bail bondsman. ($600, maybe?)

So, to recap...terrorism against women, eh. Terrorism against paperwork? Will. Not. Be. Tolerated.

Oh, and f*ck the HSUS. If anyone's thinking about donating money towards animal rescue efforts during natural disasters, look for small, local groups; HSUS & Co. will sweep in for a photo op and then offer to kill all the strays for you.]]> 2008-09-18T04:26:47Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 207.119.112.103 wp_id=170492;date=2008-09-18 14:03:29-04:00 will be posted, even though Mr. Pacelle‘s page says he invites
comments both pro and con.

Here‘s what I TRIED to post:

The so-called Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act is an attempt to muzzle
ALL animal rights activism; the HSUS endorsement of these police
state tactics is an endorsement of the repression of legitimate
protest in matters of animal rights and, by extension, in general. To
the best of my knowledge NO animal rights activists in the US have
injured or killed any human beings; attaching the world
“terrorist”
to even acts of civil disobedience such as freeing animals destined
for unspeakable torture - not simply as a strategy but to spare a few
animals pain - is to diminish the evil of the word and is an insult
to those who have suffered at the hands of real terrorists.

Your action is reminiscent of those during the McCarthy era who
turned against their fellows to save their own skins or to gain
advantage. Ultimately, such cowardice will not protect HSUS from
those corporations who profit from animal cruelty and who advance
their agenda by belittling and attacking all efforts to protect animals.

I have appreciated many of the HSUS activities, in particular your
opposition to breed specific laws. As a new graduate I am only now in
a position to donate to worthy causes. Yours was high on my list, but
I must now reconsider.]]> 2008-09-18T18:03:29Z mayer@hiredhand.org John Mayer 68.84.89.184 wp_id=170632;date=2008-09-19 13:57:00-04:00 HSUS should support any activities which are effective in the liberation of animals if they truly believe in what they say they do. Of course, they are for animal rights as opposed to animal liberation so perhaps that justifies it all in their mind.
I like the post that the North American Animal Liberation Press Office put out on his statement. These mainstream groups show their true hypocrisies on a day to day basis with their actions, they claim to care about the animals and yet those at the top of HSUS take home more money then your average middle class worker does. And it's the same with PETA who supports gassing of feral animals, and killing off of homeless animals while at the same time criticizing no-kill shelters, and calling for the freedom for all animals, as a next move, perhaps they would like to start hauling in wild animals and domesticating them to show where their motivations truly lie.
Personally, I feel that all of those mainstream organizations are useless. Whether an individual agrees with the tactics of the ALF and ELF or not, they are effective, and if you believe in animal liberation, that is what should matter to you. If those who want to get involved with organizations like HSUS, Green Peace, Sierra Club, and the others, and give them money and sign their petitions and write the letters they ask you to (which in their minds might be effective but c'mon, lets be realistic here, what Corporate representative or politician-if we can distinguish a difference between the two-is going to shudder at a bunch of letters coming in that he's not going to read anyways) want to do that, fine, let them, let them imagine that by getting involved in these "feel good" organizations (as Paul Watson accurately put it) that they are making a difference, but don't criticize others for choosing to take up tactics which are more effective.
I realize that it also comes from a pacifist vs violent perspective in which we get caught up in petty moralist arguments blinded by ethics dictated to us instead of seeing the larger amount of violence which is being caused by ignoring these atrocities. I think once we start calling them violent actions though is when we get caught up in the stupid mindset that property is more important than life. The actions of all of these so-called extreme groups, are actions which as Will has mentioned, haven't hurt anyone, and yet they are violent? Yeah, and this is coming from people who probably don't view driving a car as a violent action despite the significant amount of lives that car culture takes every year.]]> 2008-09-19T17:57:00Z forager@anonymous.disqus.net Forager 67.61.101.58 wp_id=170673;date=2008-09-19 19:57:37-04:00 http://www.animalliberationpre...
also in looking again for the article I found another comment on HSUS' actions to support the State's oppression of these groups from clear back in '05 but still is related to today:
http://www.animalliberationpre...]]> 2008-09-19T23:57:37Z forager@anonymous.disqus.net Forager 67.61.101.58 wp_id=181218;date=2008-12-04 19:58:00-05:00 They have done a hell of alot more then any of you so called concerned compassionate citizens!! Animals have become nothing more then a commodity to many organizations, including the meat and dairy industry which is killing us with their chemicals to make a better profit. Also animal testing is 90% inaccurate and England is already using other methods which are available to us. The animals that are put to death by any of these organizations are either very sick or very old. PETA and the HSUS try to keep the young healthy ones alive to be adopted, which is why they try to promote no-kill shelters. No-kill meaning to let those animals who can live healthy normal lives. The ones who will only suffer will not be able to live in a no-kill facility!!! because it is inhumane!!! Those of you who take everything out of context, have another agenda and it is not in the best enterest of the animals and Wayne Pacelle, PETA and the other reputable organizations DO NOT condone terrorist acts!! And the article which mentioned that letter writting is inaffective, well guess what, it is December 4th 2008 and California has passed Proposition 2 on November 4th.........compassion will prevail, as it has been proven!!! Thank god for those who do the research and know the truth!!!!!]]> 2008-12-05T00:58:00Z dlibby2517@msn.com Debbie 76.108.247.228 wp_id=170166;date=2008-09-17 10:56:30-04:00
That's what the RNC was for. :)]]> 2008-09-17T14:56:30Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.142.20.139 wp_id=170169;date=2008-09-17 11:06:47-04:00 2008-09-17T15:06:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=170212;date=2008-09-17 14:55:55-04:00
http://www.animalliberationpre...]]> 2008-09-17T18:55:55Z brian@anonymous.disqus.net Brian 69.128.113.218 wp_id=170214;date=2008-09-17 15:09:35-04:00 2008-09-17T19:09:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=170229;date=2008-09-17 15:40:04-04:00 2008-09-17T19:40:04Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=170236;date=2008-09-17 16:02:03-04:00 stopucsc.org]]> 2008-09-17T20:02:03Z m@anonymous.disqus.net m 169.233.2.36 wp_id=170263;date=2008-09-17 17:47:51-04:00
Why should they train for a hostage situation with AR activists as if it were any different than any other hostage situation? Why is that necessary? Aren't police already trained for this? Why say that the training is specifically for AR activists, instead of for many situations?

The point is that this is just another attack through the media on a movement that has made it a point to not physically harm people.]]> 2008-09-17T21:47:51Z afelsinger@gmail.com Alex 67.180.59.5 wp_id=170274;date=2008-09-17 18:46:25-04:00 2008-09-17T22:46:25Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.194 wp_id=170296;date=2008-09-17 20:31:04-04:00 2008-09-18T00:31:04Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=170305;date=2008-09-17 21:19:50-04:00 2008-09-18T01:19:50Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=170358;date=2008-09-18 01:45:35-04:00 See comment no.4 above.]]> 2008-09-18T05:45:35Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=170478;date=2008-09-18 12:27:09-04:00 2008-09-18T16:27:09Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.173.63.161 wp_id=170480;date=2008-09-18 13:07:34-04:00
Will, why does this article assume that the bombing of a yeast researcher's stuff was part of the "heated animal rights campaigning" ?]]> 2008-09-18T17:07:34Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 70.103.106.203 wp_id=170485;date=2008-09-18 13:16:49-04:00 That was an error on my part. I just edited that line to reflect what I have been saying on this site and in media interviews since it happened, which is that political interests (including HSUS) have been rushing to label that as an animal rights action before any evidence is in.

Sorry for not making that more clear. That's a very, very important clarification to make, and I'm glad you pointed it out.]]> 2008-09-18T17:16:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=170509;date=2008-09-18 17:09:45-04:00
i'd really like to hear from you your take on the RNC 8 (at least, 8 for now) case (see rnc8.org) - it really looks from here like they're trying to expand their attacks and use of terrorist rhetoric from the animal/earth libertation movement towards anarchist organizers in general. actually i may get in touch with you about this some time soon! (or feel free to contact me first if i don't.)

-haloka from twin cities indymedia]]> 2008-09-18T21:09:45Z haloka@riseup.net haloka 141.140.83.16 wp_id=170634;date=2008-09-19 15:09:02-04:00 2008-09-19T19:09:02Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 72.218.127.218 wp_id=170678;date=2008-09-19 20:32:03-04:00 2008-09-20T00:32:03Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.94.112 wp_id=170819;date=2008-09-20 22:08:35-04:00 2008-09-21T02:08:35Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=170836;date=2008-09-21 00:41:50-04:00 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...

The idea that it's "reckless" to attribute the Santa Cruz bombings to animal rights activists is really wishful thinking. Even if the researchers were only working on yeast, one of them had his name and address listed on an AR pamphlet, so obviously the local AR activists thought they were animal researchers. Ecoterrorists have been known to make mistakes. If an abortion clinic that had been targeted by pro-life activists was bombed you wouldn't think it was reckless to blame it on pro-life terrorists.]]> 2008-09-21T04:41:50Z a@a.com a 72.95.230.8 wp_id=170876;date=2008-09-21 08:54:20-04:00
A pamphlet? Really? Is finding a pamphlet in a coffee shop, with addresses of researchers, now enough to attribute a bombing to them before there's any actual proof? A pamphlet like that is also used for home protests, which may be controversial, but are also legal. I've seen similar pamphlets here in DC, and around the country. Give me a break.

It IS reckless because we've seen in many instances now that the FBI rushes to label something as "terrorism" and then it's disproven. For instance, the home arsons out in MD, the bomb scare at the UC system, the arson of a pet store in arson, and more.

This word is simply too powerful to toss around like that. Once it enters the media in a case, it takes on a life of its own.]]> 2008-09-21T12:54:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.229.178 wp_id=170908;date=2008-09-21 20:07:37-04:00
Clearly the UC system thought they could achieve a political objective by describing it as such.

What if their hostage scenario read: "Police train for situation where black men take white women hostage"?]]> 2008-09-22T00:07:37Z jeremy_beckham@anonymous.disqus.net Jeremy Beckham 155.97.96.123 wp_id=170911;date=2008-09-21 20:17:31-04:00 2008-09-22T00:17:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.7.249.237 wp_id=170917;date=2008-09-21 22:15:58-04:00
Will, why does this article assume that the bombing of a yeast researcher’s stuff was part of the “heated animal rights campaigning” ?

The pamphlet shows that the local AR activists thought they were animal researchers and thus could have targeted them, it's irrelevant that one of them actually wasn't.

It would be more responsible of the FBI to keep quiet until they had a suspect, but let's be real, it was probably AR activists, even if other crimes have been misattributed to them in the past. All the meager evidence there is points to them. Again, if the crime was being pinned on a group that you weren't ideologically sympathetic towards I doubt you'd be this scrupulous.]]> 2008-09-22T02:15:58Z ads@a.com a 72.95.230.8 wp_id=170919;date=2008-09-21 22:32:01-04:00 2008-09-22T02:32:01Z ads@a.com a 72.95.230.8 wp_id=170920;date=2008-09-21 22:43:41-04:00 "If the crime was being pinned on a group that you weren’t ideologically sympathetic towards I doubt you’d be this scrupulous..."

Actually, I would. Because scare-mongering and political witch hunts don't solve crimes. The reason I was vocal about this particular scenario, though, is that, as you might have noticed, the entire focus of this website is on how enviro/animal advocates are being labeled terrorists. That's why I made this post: because it's directly related to all other content.

Beyond that, if you truly believe it was animal rights activists responsible for the bombing, and you truly believe they may take hostages, how does making this an "animal rights terrorist" drill help prepare for that? What skills are inherent in an "animal rights terrorist" drill that differ from any other hostage situation?]]> 2008-09-22T02:43:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.123.169 wp_id=172098;date=2008-10-01 20:43:30-04:00 2008-10-02T00:43:30Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.17.21 wp_id=230104;date=2009-10-22 12:45:09-04:00 2009-10-22T16:45:09Z badgirl43@anonymous.disqus.net BadGirl43 210.212.145.132 wp_id=170347;date=2008-09-18 00:28:22-04:00 What do you think? (About the Flickr accounts

um, AWESOME!]]> 2008-09-18T04:28:22Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 207.119.112.103 wp_id=170453;date=2008-09-18 09:16:43-04:00 2008-09-18T13:16:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=170882;date=2008-09-21 11:23:18-04:00
Remember, only spike high.]]> 2008-09-21T15:23:18Z jonathan@anonymous.disqus.net Jonathan 219.164.128.15 wp_id=218528;date=2009-04-27 09:44:29-04:00 2009-04-27T13:44:29Z morrisalissa@ymail.com alissa 67.130.182.68 wp_id=170466;date=2008-09-18 10:57:49-04:00 2008-09-18T14:57:49Z kellyxvxgreen@gmail.com KG 98.202.8.115 wp_id=170467;date=2008-09-18 11:01:26-04:00 2008-09-18T15:01:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=170469;date=2008-09-18 11:32:50-04:00 2008-09-18T15:32:50Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=170470;date=2008-09-18 11:34:11-04:00 2008-09-18T15:34:11Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.173.63.161 wp_id=170471;date=2008-09-18 11:41:43-04:00 2008-09-18T15:41:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=170472;date=2008-09-18 11:47:10-04:00 2008-09-18T15:47:10Z gumbycascadia@yahoo.com Gumby 74.32.175.111 wp_id=170486;date=2008-09-18 13:18:32-04:00 2008-09-18T17:18:32Z treewishing@sbcglobal.net Dryad38 70.250.254.248 wp_id=170488;date=2008-09-18 13:24:30-04:00 2008-09-18T17:24:30Z animal_activist@ymail.com cornwalls animal liberation ar 90.242.71.133 wp_id=170496;date=2008-09-18 14:44:49-04:00 2008-09-18T18:44:49Z andrea.cottin@gmail.com andrea 76.18.65.73 wp_id=170501;date=2008-09-18 15:43:04-04:00 2008-09-18T19:43:04Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=170505;date=2008-09-18 16:39:15-04:00 I sent a URL to Will's blog post to a very liberal, very political, friend who has very little to do with veg*sm. Her reply was that she didn't think Pacelle endorsing California's version of the AETA or paying to put a bounty on activist heads was a big deal. It seemed understandable to her as a move to protect the political investments of HSUS.

I was thinking about that and how I have noticed that most people new to animal protection have only seen the good things ( of which there are many, they deserve credit ) HSUS has done.

My guess is that Wayne Pacelle believes that HSUS donors, potential donors and mainstream America sees the situation as my friend does...if they see at all. In other words, his actions will not bring negative consequences to him so he doesn't need to care.

I don't mean that as a slam against Pacelle. He has done a lot of good at HSUS. He isn't any different from any mainstream politician or any other AR group leader. If you aren't a constituent or a large donor they aren't concerned. Again, this isn't meant as a slam against him.

I guess I am trying to say that I got a reality check this week. Most people simply don't care about the green scare or related issues. We are in a fringe minority.

No offense to anybody.]]> 2008-09-18T20:39:15Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com Steve 65.125.12.222 wp_id=170534;date=2008-09-18 21:22:44-04:00
I'm quite sure that Wayne Pacelle got an earful about what people really think of him and HSUS. Of course, we'll never see those responses to his request for people's opinions of his actions, but he got them. ;-)]]> 2008-09-19T01:22:44Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.173.63.161 wp_id=170606;date=2008-09-19 10:12:57-04:00 Maybe if ALF raids were more like dance parties we wouldn't be so marginalized...]]> 2008-09-19T14:12:57Z lpachaud@farmsanctuary.org Liz 209.150.226.214 wp_id=170677;date=2008-09-19 20:25:03-04:00
btw Will, why doesn't your website come up when Googled? i get here via the counterpunch article. just wondering.]]> 2008-09-20T00:25:03Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.94.112 wp_id=170706;date=2008-09-20 00:50:52-04:00 2008-09-20T04:50:52Z aprilcindy@aol.com Cindy 98.119.3.101 wp_id=170750;date=2008-09-20 08:02:30-04:00 2008-09-20T12:02:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.122.230 wp_id=170794;date=2008-09-20 17:22:14-04:00
"....when your enemy has no scruples, your own scruples become another weapon in his hand."

Very true. The animal abusers commit the most heinous of crimes against the most innocent of victims, then criminalize those who free those animals and damage property. Then, people who claim to care about animals condemn those people who have saved them. Why is it that AR activists are expected to have "scruples" but animal abusers are not?? Anyone who truly cares for animals should not accept this double standard.]]> 2008-09-20T21:22:14Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.173.63.161 wp_id=170822;date=2008-09-20 22:15:35-04:00 2008-09-21T02:15:35Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=170894;date=2008-09-21 15:13:05-04:00
Also--you might want to read up on the facts re: animal research. It really does not benefit humans anyway because animals are not enough like us to make the results useful.]]> 2008-09-21T19:13:05Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.173.63.161 wp_id=170896;date=2008-09-21 15:41:47-04:00
In fact, all medications that are tested on animals require further testing on humans before receiving FDA approval, which is it's own argument for abolishing the practice.

Furthermore, it's been proven that testing medications on animals (even those most like us, such as chimps) is in no way indicative of how that medication will behave in people. And not only that, but a disease like diabetes that is artifically created in a lab setting is completely different than a disease which arrises spontaneously, and the information which is gleaned from those settings is often erroneous and inadequate for our use.

Try again, Joe.]]> 2008-09-21T19:41:47Z lpachaud@farmsanctuary.org Liz 209.150.226.214 wp_id=170959;date=2008-09-22 12:57:13-04:00 2008-09-22T16:57:13Z alexmelonas@msn.com Alex 207.172.146.223 wp_id=171152;date=2008-09-25 02:12:35-04:00
Oh, but those are just WOMEN, not animals. Less worth of concern, to you, I suppose.

You want to glorify this guy for trying to make sure that dogs go extinct. Because what exactly do y'all think happens after every pet is neutered? I realize there's a radical fringe that believes that death is better than slavery (that is, being someone's pet). Perhaps you just want animals to be safely dead, the way that PETA does (they kill 97% of the animals they "save".]]> 2008-09-25T06:12:35Z harmony@anonymous.disqus.net harmony 67.189.236.23 wp_id=171171;date=2008-09-25 09:13:16-04:00
You may take the cake for most ridiculous Troll we've seen on GreenIsTheNewRed.com. Thanks for making me laugh first thing in the morning.]]> 2008-09-25T13:13:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=171175;date=2008-09-25 10:41:28-04:00 2008-09-25T14:41:28Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.193.253 wp_id=171182;date=2008-09-25 12:08:15-04:00 The Bob Barker who is a billionaire from supplying overpriced crap to jail commissaries is not in any way affiliated with animal rights (and is in my opinion long overdue for a serious criminal investigation into his own profits from government and private jail contracts).]]> 2008-09-25T16:08:15Z ansluasi@yahoo.com alexandra 65.172.170.91 wp_id=172038;date=2008-10-01 09:31:40-04:00 2008-10-01T13:31:40Z gideon@dogmad.com Dog Stuff 88.208.192.99 wp_id=179098;date=2008-11-17 16:25:57-05:00 ALF rocks]]> 2008-11-17T21:25:57Z simone_j_phillips@hotmail.com Simone 62.56.67.27 wp_id=171110;date=2008-09-24 13:44:12-04:00 2008-09-24T17:44:12Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.144.226.90 wp_id=171139;date=2008-09-24 20:45:07-04:00 2008-09-25T00:45:07Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=171174;date=2008-09-25 10:25:31-04:00 2008-09-25T14:25:31Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.193.253 wp_id=171176;date=2008-09-25 10:42:50-04:00
First, this is not an "AR" site. The focus has always been on civil liberties, and the implications (both contemporary, and historical) of labeling people as "terrorists." This is exactly the type of material I have posted since day one.

You raise an important point, about Dr. King not using bombs or threatening lives. Even though he did neither of those things, he was the target of massive FBI surveillance and intimidation tactics. Moreover, other people in the civil rights movement DID use those tactics, and more-- including taking up arms.

The contemporary correlation is that mainstream activists are being labeled as "terrorists" right alongside the so-called "radical" groups. To be clear, I think neither fit the definition. But I think it's telling that tactics of Dr. King, including civil disobedience, are now labeled "terrorism" under the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act.

Then, just as now, the government does not stop at going after the more radical elements. It's the belief system that is seen as the true threat.

Will]]> 2008-09-25T14:42:50Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=171180;date=2008-09-25 11:57:02-04:00 2008-09-25T15:57:02Z colinnettles@gmail.com díka 70.112.63.225 wp_id=171204;date=2008-09-25 18:11:00-04:00
Every commercial farm that grows soybeans for your oh so tasty vegan burger excludes animals by fence and uses lethal means of animal control outside (animal damage permits). I know this because I am the person who issues these permits in my area. So unless you grow EVERY morsel of food you eat some group of animals was killed for you to have your bocca burgers.

Just so you know PETA has facilitated more animals deaths than me!]]> 2008-09-25T22:11:00Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=171207;date=2008-09-25 18:34:58-04:00
I have no desire to see anybody's rights denied to them and I think that the AETA is worded right so that it allows the activist to still protest but also protect the rights of those being protested. I know that there will always be those that will still do terrorist acts despite the AETA, hopefully not as many because of the stiffer penalties.

I have a right just as anyone else to go to my job (which is to protect the environment) without having to worry about every package that is delivered or if my wife and kids are ok.]]> 2008-09-25T22:34:58Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=171209;date=2008-09-25 19:13:27-04:00 I will be blunt. Pull your head out of your ass, take a deep breath and get in touch with reality. You are tiresome and must know that your feeble arguments are never going to convert any of us to your views, as I am sure we accept that we will never convert you to ours.]]> 2008-09-25T23:13:27Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=171213;date=2008-09-25 19:52:48-04:00 2008-09-25T23:52:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.7.252.83 wp_id=171217;date=2008-09-25 20:49:57-04:00 2008-09-26T00:49:57Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.193.253 wp_id=171297;date=2008-09-26 14:40:35-04:00
Refraining from harming others is not a lifestyle choice. It is an ethical imperative that is ingrained in our laws and our most basic moral precepts that descend from the Golden Rule. The animal rights movement is simply asking for consistency in our behavior. We treat brain-dead humans with more dignity and possessing more rights than self-aware language-using chimpanzees. I can't think of any ethical theories, not rooted on blinded faith, that can justify such a mean-spirited disparity.

If you want to dispute the idea of the Golden Rule and want to ascribe to something resembling Social Darwinism or "might makes right" - do so overtly. But don't be inconsistent and say that some sentient beings deserve protection but others don't due to their biological classification. That is naked bigotry and in time, admittedly a long time, it will be seen as such.

"There are 2 things on this planet producers and consumers, plants are producers and everything else is a consumer."

You say your job is environmental protection. That worries me. Your views on ecology are just plain wrong. Even my elementary kids are taught that there are, at a minimum, consumers, producers, and decomposers. Emints.org says that this is 3rd-6th grade level education. Here's some K-6 study guides that can maybe help you Joe:

http://www.emints.org/ethemes/...
http://serc.carleton.edu/sp/mn...

In any case, this is largely irrelevant, because human societies have long since proven that they will not be bound by ecological determinism. We search for cures for malaria rather than accepting malaria as an ecological fact and dealing with the consequences. We don't accept the idea that we should not have age of consent laws because the age of 14 is when human females are the most fertile.

Just because we have evolved to become the most powerful species on Earth - a claim that I don't dispute - does not mean we are ethically justified to act like tyrannical despots over the environment and other sentient beings.

That is, unless you subscribe to a mean-spirited egoist philosophy of "fuck everyone else but me." Do you want to own up to that, Joe?

"had I been alive during Dr. Kings time I would have supported his cause fully and even understood the actions of his more radical followers. "

Historians laugh at statements like this. 99% of people say "had I been alive then I would never have owned slaves or participated in the Holocaust!" Yet people did. En masse. Are you suggesting that somehow our genetic pool has changed so much in the past few decades that people now really are impervious to negative social influences?

The plain truth is Joe, that you don't know what you would've done during then. Had you lived in Alabama, you easily could've participated in a lynch mob.

The best litmus test we have of how we would engaged in past historical wrongs is to see how we're responding to current wrongs. Even if we set aside the issue of animal rights, surely Joe, you would admit that all is not well in the world. We have genocide in Darfur, rampant poverty across the world (even in our own country), and children not receiving adequate education because of the color of their skin. So step up to the plate Joe. Let us know - how are you putting your neck on the line, sacrificing your own personal comfort, and fighting for what's right?

Sending in a check to a nonprofit doesn't count, by the way. King would've demanded much more of you.

"They were fighting for equal rights entitled to them by law"

Joe probably thinks that they were entitled to rights by law because of the Reconstruction amendments to our Constitution. Boy is Joe wrong.

Although the civil rights movement often used this as a campaign slogan, they actually did not have legal protection until the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act of the mid/late-sixties. Plessy v. Ferguson said that everything the South was doing with respect to Jim Crow laws was perfectly legal. Nothing in any of the Reconstruction amendments seems to find anything wrong with sharecropping. De facto slavery it was, but freely engaged contract it still is.

Brown v. BOE is largely recognized among legal scholars as an act of judicial activism. Benevolent and good for the country, no doubt, but judicial activism nonetheless less.

So before these favorable court decisions and new laws were passed, the law was not on their side. Were the terrorists then Joe?

Just own up to the fact that we cannot actually separate the question of what tactics are justifiable with the question of what is the cause fighting for. You dislike animal rights activists simply because you think their cause is illegitimate - and you should start saying so overtly.

"Every commercial farm that grows soybeans for your oh so tasty vegan burger excludes animals by fence and uses lethal means of animal control outside (animal damage permits)."

Please elaborate more on this claim. I googled "animal damage permits" and seemed to come up with nothing. Educate me.

(As an aside, most, if not all, harms you can successfully establish with plant agriculture will simply be greatly magnified as we increase animal agriculture production. This is because animal agriculture necessitates a great deal more plant agriculture to produce feed for animals. If we were all vegans, there would be much much less plant agriculture.)]]> 2008-09-26T18:40:35Z jeremy@primatefreedom.com Jeremy Beckham 98.202.50.129 wp_id=171490;date=2008-09-27 10:07:18-04:00
"The riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met; and it has failed to hear that large segments of society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity."]]> 2008-09-27T14:07:18Z jeremy@primatefreedom.com Jeremy Beckham 98.202.50.129 wp_id=172022;date=2008-10-01 03:46:27-04:00
"What right do you have to force your lifestyle choice onto me?"

"Force?" No one's stealing your meat and dairy and force-feeding you vegan food.

What right do you have to force your lifestyle choices on animals? And I mean really force, as in killing them, mutilating them, confining them, stealing baby calves from their mothers, cutting the toes off turkeys and the beaks off chickens and the horns off cows - or rather paying someone else to do this for you. What right do you have to harm others for pleasure? (Assuming you make your own food choices and are not living in a remote log cabin in Alaska, eating animal products is a choice, not a necessity.)

Should we revoke animal cruelty laws so that people can leave their dogs tethered on a leash all day in the hot sun with no water, or engage in violent dogfighting, because it wouldn't be right for animal activists to force their lifestyle choices on others?

"I don’t care if you are a vegan or meatatarian like it or not for you to eat something has to die."

Every vegan knows this. However, through our choices, we can make huge differences in both the number of animals we kill and the amount of suffering we cause.

"Every commercial farm that grows soybeans for your oh so tasty vegan burger excludes animals by fence and uses lethal means of animal control outside (animal damage permits). I know this because I am the person who issues these permits in my area. So unless you grow EVERY morsel of food you eat some group of animals was killed for you to have your bocca burgers."

This has been covered in FAQ pages for the last 30 years, but I'll repeat some of the basics:

- Most of the grain grown in this country goes to livestock, and in nearly all cases far fewer plants are required to support a vegan diet than a diet that includes meat and dairy.

- Animals grown for food nearly always endure much human-caused suffering before they're killed. Chickens are grown to be so obese they often die of heart attacks or collapse when only one month old. Male pigs, bulls, and other animals are castrated without painkillers. Breeder turkeys are essentially raped every two wweeks. Male chicks at hen hatcheries are ground up alive. Prior to slaughter animals may be starved for up to four days. And so on.

- Slaughterhouses are filled with violence that is simply not matched at a broccoli farm.

"Just so you know PETA has facilitated more animals deaths than me!"

So has nearly any open-admissions animal shelter. Ignoring the fact that many of the animals killed by PETA were slated to be shot or drowned, or that PETA used relatively painless methods of euthanasia...You can always find someone who's worse than you. May I suggest instead trying to lower your negative impact on animals and the earth, and endeavoring to refrain from inflicting avoidable harm to animals, specifically killing them because you like the taste of their flesh or female secretions. Explore vegan options; they're quite amazing and diverse these days. Give that an earnest try and I can nearly guarantee you that you'll feel great about your decision and won't be bothered at all by animal advocacy efforts.]]> 2008-10-01T07:46:27Z gary@animalwritings.com Gary 70.179.96.84 wp_id=172084;date=2008-10-01 19:21:32-04:00
Look at the coverage of protests at the recent Republican Convention in the Twin Cities. That's right, WHAT COVERAGE? The police eliminated "with extreme prejudice" the protestors (including pre-emptively locking some up) and beat & threatened journalists that tried to cover the attempted protests. This stuff should have been on the 6 o-clock news.

CNN, which FOX accuses of being the most "liberally biased" among the major newscasters, had no coverage of the protests.

So what does that tell you about the other network newscasters that are "further right" than CNN?

Yep: we are living in a time of extreme right-wing journalistic bias.]]> 2008-10-01T23:21:32Z pmunday@mtech.edu Pat Munday 150.131.128.220 wp_id=172206;date=2008-10-02 14:43:04-04:00 2008-10-02T18:43:04Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=172207;date=2008-10-02 14:47:42-04:00 the terrorist label should be removed
THERE IS NO ONE ELSE LOOKING OUT FOR OUT GRANDCHILDREN.]]> 2008-10-02T18:47:42Z 3000miles@live.co.uk GO GO ECO 72.23.45.10 wp_id=172211;date=2008-10-02 15:12:56-04:00
As for this woman running around chasing little kids and urinating in public well.....why not?]]> 2008-10-02T19:12:56Z annaorange@anonymous.disqus.net Anna.Orange. 97.96.189.152 wp_id=172230;date=2008-10-02 17:17:57-04:00
Hahaha.
YES.]]> 2008-10-02T21:17:57Z susielynn50@hotmail.com Susie 24.155.247.186 wp_id=172242;date=2008-10-02 18:23:31-04:00 2008-10-02T22:23:31Z gideon@dogmad.com Dog Stuff 86.147.20.199 wp_id=172513;date=2008-10-03 14:01:07-04:00
Well yes, because that's the definition of "terrorism":The use of intimidation and violence for political or ideological gain. What ELF does is cause severe damage to people's property, and in the process threatening their well being and way of life, in order to force their (ELF's) victims to cave in to their demands.]]> 2008-10-03T18:01:07Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 128.163.158.218 wp_id=172519;date=2008-10-03 14:38:23-04:00 You're misreading what I said. I'm not referring to the motivations of the criminal, I'm referring to the motivations of the government. The point here is that many crimes are committed for political or ideological gain, and the few that are prosecuted as such are done so for political reasons.]]> 2008-10-03T18:38:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=172543;date=2008-10-03 16:16:27-04:00 If it's not Joe, you should try and hook him up with #7. They probably have a lot to talk about.]]> 2008-10-03T20:16:27Z lpachaud@farmsanctuary.org Liz 209.150.226.214 wp_id=172853;date=2008-10-04 17:59:32-04:00 2008-10-04T21:59:32Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.17.21 wp_id=172992;date=2008-10-05 13:09:50-04:00 2008-10-05T17:09:50Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=172993;date=2008-10-05 13:12:53-04:00 2008-10-05T17:12:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.5.173.219 wp_id=173036;date=2008-10-05 19:43:25-04:00 2008-10-05T23:43:25Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 75.120.185.252 wp_id=173163;date=2008-10-06 17:50:06-04:00 there is over a 100 definitions of the word terrorism. according to your definition the war against iraq was a terrorist act. it used violence for political gain.]]> 2008-10-06T21:50:06Z baily2@optonline.net matt 66.173.244.30 wp_id=173198;date=2008-10-06 21:11:54-04:00
It is interesting to note that if you substitute 'police' or 'governement and its agents' for ELF you actually have a description of standard operating procedure in the United States.]]> 2008-10-07T01:11:54Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=188174;date=2009-01-15 03:27:57-05:00
Well, certain people.

Has anyone else noticed how torture makes meat taste better?]]> 2009-01-15T08:27:57Z null@gmail.com Iman Azol 209.43.10.87 wp_id=173354;date=2008-10-07 18:02:45-04:00 2008-10-07T22:02:45Z gideon@dogmad.com Dog Stuff 86.161.118.34 wp_id=173380;date=2008-10-07 22:20:50-04:00
http://www.salon.com/opinion/f.../]]> 2008-10-08T02:20:50Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 75.120.185.252 wp_id=173382;date=2008-10-07 22:27:44-04:00 2008-10-08T02:27:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 12.195.65.242 wp_id=173389;date=2008-10-07 23:25:02-04:00 http://www.supportbillayers.or.../
or by joining the facebook group:
http://www.facebook.com/group....]]> 2008-10-08T03:25:02Z megan.wade@gmail.com megan 75.111.57.187 wp_id=173447;date=2008-10-08 10:10:19-04:00 2008-10-08T14:10:19Z kevin@anonymous.disqus.net kevin 68.117.135.28 wp_id=173649;date=2008-10-10 02:29:29-04:00 2008-10-10T06:29:29Z beet@riseup.net BEET 96.250.138.131 wp_id=174649;date=2008-10-16 18:43:21-04:00 2008-10-16T22:43:21Z idzie@anonymous.disqus.net Idzie 67.68.81.63 wp_id=174780;date=2008-10-17 14:48:51-04:00 2008-10-17T18:48:51Z goldleader5@hotmail.com Dead Man 71.240.158.206 wp_id=174781;date=2008-10-17 14:50:29-04:00 2008-10-17T18:50:29Z goldleader5@hotmail.com Dead Man 71.240.158.206 wp_id=173486;date=2008-10-08 18:38:09-04:00
I dunno, maybe my facts/understanding is off, but it just seems crazy....
By the way Will, great website, I heard about your website at AR2008, and I've check out this site Its Awesome!]]> 2008-10-08T22:38:09Z b@anonymous.disqus.net B 207.112.123.78 wp_id=173487;date=2008-10-08 18:46:00-04:00 2008-10-08T22:46:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.244.247.126 wp_id=173493;date=2008-10-08 19:42:26-04:00 2008-10-08T23:42:26Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=173496;date=2008-10-08 19:58:01-04:00 2008-10-08T23:58:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.5.165.71 wp_id=173566;date=2008-10-09 09:57:32-04:00
Cash is the single biggest engine that this country (and most of civilization) runs on. Protecting profits ahead of human life has always, always been the agenda of the US government.
If we cared about people more than money we wouldn't encourage a system that runs on sweatshop labor. We wouldn't bomb the hell out of a country for their oil. The list goes on forever.

Also, is it possible that we are treated as "terrorists" because animal rights is perceived as almost a religious doctrine instead of a political perspective? I think it's fair to say that we are compared (ignorantly) to the terrorists groups in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran and Iraq because we are perceived to have the same incomprehensible fervor for the dismantling of a system we feel is dangerous and destructive.

The fact that our government is taking unwarranted, pre-emptive strikes against us is completely ludacrous, but not all that susprising considering their actions toward other terrorist groups. You know, the ones who have actually murdered people.]]> 2008-10-09T13:57:32Z lpachaud@farmsanctuary.org Liz 209.150.226.214 wp_id=173580;date=2008-10-09 13:19:34-04:00
Also, the people actually enforcing/making these 'laws' are not in the public view and are paid from taxpayers money - great idea. Actually they came up with that idea...]]> 2008-10-09T17:19:34Z couttsy@yahoo.com mike 81.158.176.146 wp_id=173583;date=2008-10-09 13:53:51-04:00 2008-10-09T17:53:51Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 82.114.66.106 wp_id=173594;date=2008-10-09 14:10:07-04:00
If you're referring to the actions by animal and environmental groups, I've actually done quite a bit of research on that. And even the most extreme actions by those activists have never killed anyone, let alone the amount of bloodshed seen in the Oklahoma City bombing.]]> 2008-10-09T18:10:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=173598;date=2008-10-09 15:02:04-04:00
Let's not forget other groups that are deemed terrorists. For example, Food Not Bombs is one of the top ten as a domestic terrorist threat in Texas. Feeding people is so evil.]]> 2008-10-09T19:02:04Z laotrarobschneider@gmail.com Rob 76.79.249.165 wp_id=173624;date=2008-10-09 21:09:39-04:00 2008-10-10T01:09:39Z katy@anonymous.disqus.net Katy 173.67.21.214 wp_id=173671;date=2008-10-10 07:38:39-04:00
A key component of any discussion of traditional "terrorism" is that it is used to instill widespread public fear. For instance, if separatists bomb city buses, killing people, it instills the fear that anyone could be targeted: the goal, then, is to pressure the government to cave to demands so that those fears won't be realized.

With your example of throwing a rock through a window, those components aren't there. For one, when environmentalists and animal rights activists have done similar things, it isn't random--it's against a specific target. Second, it isn't intended to instill a widespread public fear, or even to make the person targeted afraid--it's intended to cause economic damage. And finally, it isn't intended to influence government conduct--it's intended to influence corporate conduct.]]> 2008-10-10T11:38:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.5.119.199 wp_id=173775;date=2008-10-10 20:35:22-04:00 2008-10-11T00:35:22Z katy@anonymous.disqus.net Katy 173.67.21.214 wp_id=173922;date=2008-10-11 20:55:01-04:00 2008-10-12T00:55:01Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.17.21 wp_id=173945;date=2008-10-12 01:39:46-04:00 http://theangryblackwoman.com/.../
Apparently, anti-Muslim hate crime isn't terrorism either.]]> 2008-10-12T05:39:46Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=173990;date=2008-10-12 12:10:40-04:00 2008-10-12T16:10:40Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=174183;date=2008-10-13 12:15:34-04:00 2008-10-13T16:15:34Z katy@anonymous.disqus.net Katy 204.126.132.34 wp_id=174277;date=2008-10-13 23:36:24-04:00 2008-10-14T03:36:24Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=174494;date=2008-10-15 15:01:31-04:00
This is more than just economics per se, our administration and currently the Republications freely use the term "terrorist" to neutralize anyone that may oppose their agenda. And this is clearly happening in the Pailin/McCain race. Ultimately this limits the freedom of us all.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10...

Oh but I must agree with Katy that violent protest, even for a "worthy" cause is a slippy slope. We all feel our causes are worthy. And it does insight fear and is intended to insight fear in an individual, family or group. The idea is to send a message and to intimidate the individual into changing or leaving. Whether you are an animal rights activists, pro-lifers or members of the Klan if you throw a rock into someone's window you are trying to intimate that person. For those arguing to the contrary, do you honestly think you would be unafraid if someone throw a rock through your window?]]> 2008-10-15T19:01:31Z nmh19@pitt.edu Nicole 130.49.138.184 wp_id=174530;date=2008-10-15 20:59:35-04:00 2008-10-16T00:59:35Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=181827;date=2008-12-12 23:09:23-05:00 2008-12-13T04:09:23Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 222.152.98.83 wp_id=192746;date=2009-01-30 23:32:38-05:00
If Timothy McVeigh is a 'terrorist', then so is the US Government for firebombing the compound at Waco, killing 76 people.]]> 2009-01-31T04:32:38Z filthygas@yahoo.ca Tarzan 70.72.213.5 wp_id=224603;date=2009-07-13 02:52:39-04:00
Get beyond leftwing and rightwing and realise that anyone that opposes this system whether we are vegetarians, 9-11 Truth activists, libertarian Lew Rockwell supporters or Ron Paul supporters are labeled as Terrorists thanks to things like the MIAC REPORT and the ADL. Anyone that opposes the system and works for true change unlike the faux setup New World Order stooge Obama is a terrorist. If you do not unite on some front, truly we will ALL hang together.


www.infowars.com
www.folkandfaith.com/smf/index...
http://examerica.wordpress.com/
http://www.new-right.org/

all are sites that at least on some level "get" this...]]> 2009-07-13T06:52:39Z none@nope.org 911TruthNow 174.19.218.213 wp_id=173739;date=2008-10-10 16:42:31-04:00 2008-10-10T20:42:31Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=173757;date=2008-10-10 19:11:19-04:00 “Eco-friendly, abortion-rights and animal-rights activists are among the most active groups that have committed acts of terror in the name of their cause,” reads the December issue of “Community Connection,” a newsletter published by the department…

wtf!? When did Planned Parenthood start bombing their own clinics and harassing their clients?]]> 2008-10-10T23:11:19Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 75.120.185.252 wp_id=173762;date=2008-10-10 19:36:49-04:00
But I'm out of the loop...what have abortion RIGHTS advocates done to qualify as terrorists? Is it just because life begins at conception but ends if you become a doctor who performs abortions?]]> 2008-10-10T23:36:49Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.16 wp_id=173806;date=2008-10-10 23:59:36-04:00 2008-10-11T03:59:36Z karmalily@gmail.com Karmalily 152.30.222.58 wp_id=173808;date=2008-10-11 00:15:03-04:00 You seem to imply there is something wrong if a babykilling abortion mill is burned or bomb. Which do you prefer, a pile of bricks or a pile of dead babies? Innocent unborn babies deserve to be protected just as born children deserve to be protected. You would have no problem protecting born children if they were about to be murdered.
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life. http://www.armyofgod.com]]> 2008-10-11T04:15:03Z glory2jesus@armyofgod.com Rev Spitz 72.218.37.151 wp_id=173815;date=2008-10-11 01:07:52-04:00 Starve them of any support in anyway.]]> 2008-10-11T05:07:52Z green1@yahoo.com Tyler Durden 24.107.188.6 wp_id=173903;date=2008-10-11 16:06:42-04:00 You are blinded by the ideology of your religion on this one and are unable to see clearly.
I pose another question to you though without justifying or condemning abortion. What would happen if no one had abortions? What would the population of today look like?
We have far exceeded the carrying capacity for humyn beings and many churches want to encourage people to have more and more children (especially the Mormon religion). With the on-coming population collapse, the less people there are on this earth to suffer, the better it is. People need to be conscious of their actions and take up birth-control, but then you have right-wing folks such as yourself who want to preach abstinence to people so others aren't informed of birth-control and that leads to more children. You only have yourselves to blame in a situation such as that.
The point being though, regardless of our thoughts on abortion, whether we are for it or against it, it is something that is here to stay and to bomb a clinic to kill innocent people inside of it is an act of murder and terrorism regardless of what moralistic position you want to take up for yourself. In reality, your moralism contradicts itself too with your stance on this issue. The fact remains, the horror of the suggestion of taking innocent life reflects the position of those who are right-wing (people such as yourself) disregard for life in general. You speak of the life of an unborn baby but disregard the life that lives within the forests that you are fine with chopping down, the life that lives within the cities that are being built over them, the life that lived where there is now fields from agriculture. 200 species a day are going extinct and you take up this moralist high ground on the issue of abortion because some right-wing preacher has interpreted the bible as saying that abortion is wrong, and that God wants you to go and kill them, and that Whites are supreme, and all that other bullshit.
You spill the blood of the innocent and believe this is a justified thing while in the same comment showing your repulsion towards people who have abortions (their reasons for doing so you do not yourself know)? Funny how your bible says "thou shalt not kill" yet you interpret in your own way when it comes to people dying that you don't like. Right-wing scum of the earth is all you people are.]]> 2008-10-11T20:06:42Z forager@anonymous.disqus.net Forager 67.61.101.58 wp_id=173914;date=2008-10-11 19:14:56-04:00
Let me guess: you're also opposed to contraception on the grounds that it hurts the mighty spermies' fee-fees, ya?]]> 2008-10-11T23:14:56Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 75.120.185.252 wp_id=173918;date=2008-10-11 20:23:18-04:00
To Rev Spitz: If you are truly anti-abortion, the better approach is to make birth control readily available. However, most right-to-lifers fight to curtail access to birth control in the hopes (I guess) that those who mess around without being married will become pregnant and forced to bear a child as punishment. Scarlet letter, anyone??]]> 2008-10-12T00:23:18Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=173921;date=2008-10-11 20:48:28-04:00
Are you the one that tried to kill Judi Bari? Also, since you are "pro-life" I imagine you are vegan, yes?]]> 2008-10-12T00:48:28Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.17.21 wp_id=173932;date=2008-10-11 22:56:55-04:00 I can see why you are concerned about abortion laws. However, your missing this blogs point, which is ( among other things) that those who associate themselves with peaceful direct action groups, such as ALF and ELF are labbelled terrorists, and Right wing extremist groups are not even on the list, when they themselves are murders and use violent means to achiece there ends.

Furthermore, i read your article about Paul Hill and his murder. I find it quite ironic that Hill, as a member of the peace promoting christian faith, uses violent HUMAN HARMING and KILLING methods to achieve his means. A rule of the ALF is to take all possible precautions not to harm anyone, while Hill did the exact opposite.

Abortion though, is a topic that in the grand scheme of things is not that big of a topic. Human fetuse's or babies do not have the capacity to fear or think in anyway so as to differentiate between non-humans, and they have or depending on thier stage in the womb, only the basic abilities of pain and hunger. So I pose the question to you: how come unborn babie fetuses, which can have no or little cognition or sentience be regarded in such high standards that you are willing to kill for, when you willingly partake in the slaughter and death of over 100 animals a year by leading a meat based diet?

The fact is that over 130 billion animals die each year for food, and only about a couple thousands baby fetuse's are aborted each year. Also, two thirds of the world lives in impoverishment and a child dies every 3 seconds. Shouldn't we, as messengers of gods love be trying to help babies who are already born in a peaceful way, not by blowing up and shooting abortionists? Also by shooting up the abortionists it only postpones the abortion.

To me it seems a blatant waste of time to be advocating violent a pro-life agenda with murder and hate, when so much other non-violent aid can be offered in third world countries.

I'm not trying to belittle you Rev, I'm just trying to shed light on this issues. I don't take a stance on abortion, simply because I don't think its needed. Theres so much evil in the world, and abortion is such a difficult issue. A pro-life advocate and an pro-choice advocate can be united in thier quest to end poverty, can they not?

This post was far from the topic of the blog, but oh well...]]> 2008-10-12T02:56:55Z e@anonymous.disqus.net E 207.112.7.23 wp_id=173946;date=2008-10-12 01:48:08-04:00 2008-10-12T05:48:08Z animal.defense@yahoo.com kittycat 65.190.199.159 wp_id=173984;date=2008-10-12 10:34:37-04:00 2008-10-12T14:34:37Z jdavidmoss@earthlink.net David 67.149.104.48 wp_id=174046;date=2008-10-12 19:40:21-04:00
You really know how to bring people to the true faith. First insult them, then threaten them, plus you show yourself to be full of the milk of human kindness (soured). I know and repect many Christians, but you take your Jesus and shove ... ah but that would be stooping to your level. But then your just a troll aren't you.. Is that you again, Joe?]]> 2008-10-12T23:40:21Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=174047;date=2008-10-12 19:51:08-04:00 2008-10-12T23:51:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.180.139 wp_id=174056;date=2008-10-12 20:59:59-04:00 2008-10-13T00:59:59Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.17.21 wp_id=174070;date=2008-10-12 23:03:02-04:00 2008-10-13T03:03:02Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=174169;date=2008-10-13 10:32:00-04:00 2008-10-13T14:32:00Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=174196;date=2008-10-13 13:49:31-04:00 2008-10-13T17:49:31Z jill_cchrn@yahoo.com Jill 151.205.219.22 wp_id=174348;date=2008-10-14 12:58:54-04:00 2008-10-14T16:58:54Z beaner@mexicant.com the grateful beaner 99.130.109.52 wp_id=176796;date=2008-10-30 15:45:04-04:00 2008-10-30T19:45:04Z hedonistic_pleasureseeker@yahoo.com HPS 138.162.0.43 wp_id=174245;date=2008-10-13 20:14:49-04:00 2008-10-14T00:14:49Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=174247;date=2008-10-13 20:21:38-04:00 beaten while wearing Congressional press credentials at a large antiwar protest.]]> 2008-10-14T00:21:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.231.244 wp_id=174252;date=2008-10-13 20:38:11-04:00 2008-10-14T00:38:11Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=174255;date=2008-10-13 21:16:10-04:00
On the upside, Pogan did make the "Worst People" list on MSNBC.]]> 2008-10-14T01:16:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.231.244 wp_id=174266;date=2008-10-13 22:09:55-04:00 Turns out, attorneys say the boxes were full of vegan literature"

Knowledge is a weapon against oppression, so they are technically right, but talking from an indefensible position.]]> 2008-10-14T02:09:55Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=174270;date=2008-10-13 22:38:51-04:00 Regardless of the thoughts on "violence" and "non-violence" that are out there, self-defense is human nature, and those who sit there and let the police beat the shit out of them and just accept it are flat out insane.
"So what happens when you get a bunch of cops hyped up on information about evil protesters and armed to the teeth?"
I have no idea the truth that may exist within this or not as it is an editorial but according to an Infoshop News editorial police were told that anarchists killed several police officers during the 1999 anti-WTO protests in Seattle, those types of lies only served to encourage their violence towards those there.
I also wanted to add that it's interesting how they always say that the protests were interrupted by just a small minority of people, small group of people wearing black. If it was just a small minority then how the hell can they justify arresting the hundreds of people that were arrested. 800 people (which is what it was if I remember right) is not a small group of people. Nothing shocking, but still interesting that they would continue to propagate the idea that it was a small group when they arrested so many.]]> 2008-10-14T02:38:51Z forager@anonymous.disqus.net Forager 67.61.101.58 wp_id=174347;date=2008-10-14 12:57:16-04:00
What's ironic is that many of these people are the same ones who get all worked up about their right to bear arms to protect themselves against the government, while at the same time going on about property destruction. You just know they would have been opposed to throwing tea in the harbor.]]> 2008-10-14T16:57:16Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.119 wp_id=174334;date=2008-10-14 10:32:38-04:00 http://frff.org) was showcasing a documentary about them, "Conviction". I got the chance to talk to them and maybe it was because we were at a college town coffee shop playing chess and talking about the American Church and all of its short comings, but I have to be honest. They were not terrifying. In fact they were absolutely amazing people. You know when you meet someone and just after 20 minutes you say to yourself, "wow, this is a great person"?

it was kind of like that. Check out the documentary if you get a chance. And don't get your name on the list. unless you really are a terrorist.]]> 2008-10-14T14:32:38Z jonathan@anonymous.disqus.net Jonathan 219.164.128.15 wp_id=174335;date=2008-10-14 10:37:57-04:00
PS: I checked out your site, and your post on Japanese toilet technology cracked me up.]]> 2008-10-14T14:37:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=174337;date=2008-10-14 11:01:50-04:00
Nuns were actually the people first exposed me to the social justice world. My Catholic high school was very conservitive except for the nuns. I remember a few monday mornings where our principal would be in our home room to tell us that Sister Kathy had chained herself to the Prairie Island Nuclear reactor.

The convent they lived in had huge outdoor signs with protest messages and they would constantly organize protests against military recruiters. Many of them spent time leading aid missions to Nicaragua and El Salvador during the early 80's.

I don't think that I would be the person I am today with these nuns.]]> 2008-10-14T15:01:50Z geargab@gmail.com Bill M. 75.168.120.238 wp_id=174346;date=2008-10-14 12:43:15-04:00
This story reminded me of one I read years ago about several nuns (probably from Illinois) being against the School for the Americas.

Bill M., that is a cool story!]]> 2008-10-14T16:43:15Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=174356;date=2008-10-14 14:04:02-04:00 2008-10-14T18:04:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=174364;date=2008-10-14 15:20:41-04:00
Keep doing great work man, I always enjoy visiting.]]> 2008-10-14T19:20:41Z jonathan@anonymous.disqus.net Jonathan 219.164.128.15 wp_id=174374;date=2008-10-14 17:15:42-04:00 2008-10-14T21:15:42Z robosara@gmail.com Sara 129.116.55.230 wp_id=174455;date=2008-10-15 08:49:15-04:00 2008-10-15T12:49:15Z jdavidmoss@earthlink.net David 67.149.104.48 wp_id=174498;date=2008-10-15 15:36:10-04:00 2008-10-15T19:36:10Z kablair@gmail.com Blair 162.89.0.61 wp_id=174928;date=2008-10-18 20:34:37-04:00
but anyways. damn. wow. thats all i have to say... not only do you cease to amaze me with posts about the craziness of this country, you even change my stereotypical perspective on nuns!]]> 2008-10-19T00:34:37Z asher2789@gmail.com ashley 137.142.177.211 wp_id=175085;date=2008-10-20 12:33:34-04:00 2008-10-20T16:33:34Z gideon@dogmad.com Dog Stuff 88.208.192.99 wp_id=175105;date=2008-10-20 14:51:51-04:00 2008-10-20T18:51:51Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=175163;date=2008-10-20 22:18:24-04:00
It's the "or" that disturbs me, "possess matter involving a school or function it’s a felony in the state of Kentucky" could mean anything, a flyer for a school dance or bake sale for instance. Kentuky is a police state, it would be laughable if was wasn't so frighteningly possible.]]> 2008-10-21T02:18:24Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=175165;date=2008-10-20 22:31:50-04:00
from http://bowjamesbow.ca/2005/10/...

Many, many thanks to Zero Intelligence for bringing me this bit of news. William Poole, initially arrested for “terroristic threatening”, has had all charges against him dropped, although he remains on probation.

Poole vaulted to Internet fame (or infamy) back in March when it was reported that the authorities had arrested him because of a set of writings that he claimed was a story about zombies. The zombie connection turned out to be a falsehood, which damaged Poole’s credibility, but it remained unclear whether his writings, which described an attack on a high school in the third person, were really a credible threat, or merely the harmless writings of an angry young man.]]> 2008-10-21T02:31:50Z mdriggs@gmail.com Marty 67.79.14.30 wp_id=175249;date=2008-10-21 09:32:36-04:00 2008-10-21T13:32:36Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=176477;date=2008-10-27 12:43:03-04:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...]]> 2008-10-27T16:43:03Z kpcarey@wisc.edu kevin 68.117.135.28 wp_id=176616;date=2008-10-29 00:17:05-04:00 2008-10-29T04:17:05Z annasatana@yahoo.com anna 66.241.87.184 wp_id=176808;date=2008-10-30 18:29:37-04:00
and, no offense to him, but it sounds to me like the teachers in that part of Kentucky aren't doing a very good job of teaching grammar.

jeez, the poor kid! but this is how they make apolitical people political, I guess... still. what a huge shame.]]> 2008-10-30T22:29:37Z simkha@riseup.net Bayberry 68.115.164.82 wp_id=179288;date=2008-11-18 20:23:42-05:00 2008-11-19T01:23:42Z ryan@anonymous.disqus.net Ryan 68.222.71.133 wp_id=184089;date=2008-12-29 17:19:13-05:00 2008-12-29T22:19:13Z riffraff909@yahoo.com Matt 71.110.237.149 wp_id=211784;date=2009-03-27 19:44:01-04:00 2009-03-27T23:44:01Z whoooooops@anonymous.disqus.net whoooooops 76.166.100.195 wp_id=176894;date=2008-10-31 13:55:18-04:00 2008-10-31T17:55:18Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=176926;date=2008-10-31 22:10:32-04:00 2008-11-01T02:10:32Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=176982;date=2008-11-01 11:44:27-04:00 But basically, while the threat seems to be very low, they have very real reason to be afraid... because that's a main premise to eco-defense/animal liberation - it could happen anywhere at any given time by anyone...]]> 2008-11-01T15:44:27Z severino_di_giovanni@anonymous.disqus.net Severino Di Giovanni 68.188.80.49 wp_id=176994;date=2008-11-01 13:59:02-04:00 Where is the investigation? There's no police work going on here, just scare-mongering.]]> 2008-11-01T17:59:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.59.144 wp_id=177066;date=2008-11-02 13:10:18-05:00 http://radicalactivismvisualar.../]]> 2008-11-02T18:10:18Z alexis.desgagnes-tremblay@umontreal.ca radical activism visual archiv 62.194.86.69 wp_id=177296;date=2008-11-04 17:29:02-05:00
There are so many thing Palin does not know, so this doesn't surprise me. While I'll be glad we no longer have the spectre of a possible President Palin hanging over our heads, I will miss the comedy she inspired, if you don't laugh you will cry.]]> 2008-11-04T22:29:02Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=177319;date=2008-11-04 22:05:12-05:00 SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I am a sinner and am headed to eternal hell because of my sins. I believe you died on the cross to take away my sins and to take me to heaven. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart and take away my sins and give me eternal life.]]> 2008-11-05T03:05:12Z glory2jesus@armyofgod.com Rev Spitz 72.218.37.151 wp_id=177362;date=2008-11-05 10:54:57-05:00
Although, I think your effort is positively adorable.

PS: If you were truly pro-life, you would understand that the only way to fully exemplify your beliefs would be to abstain from murdering and consuming all animals. Human and non-human.
I'll pray for that.]]> 2008-11-05T15:54:57Z lpachaud@farmsanctuary.org Liz 209.150.226.214 wp_id=177366;date=2008-11-05 12:30:02-05:00 2008-11-05T17:30:02Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=177369;date=2008-11-05 13:29:07-05:00

lololol]]> 2008-11-05T18:29:07Z hahahahh@anonymous.disqus.net hahahahh 69.114.85.110 wp_id=177374;date=2008-11-05 14:06:26-05:00
"vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin "


She isn't a vice presidential candidate ANYMORE.

Yee hah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]> 2008-11-05T19:06:26Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=177376;date=2008-11-05 14:45:54-05:00
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

I joined thousands of people who marched to the White House last night spontaneously, shutting down streets along the way and having a blast. My favorite chant from some people in the crowd in front of the White House: "Pack yo shit up!"]]> 2008-11-05T19:45:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=178974;date=2008-11-17 04:40:17-05:00 2008-11-17T09:40:17Z reverend_sister_brother_mother@anonymous.disqus.net Reverend Sister Brother Mother 173.68.229.28 wp_id=222229;date=2009-06-06 16:21:56-04:00 Also: Reverend Sister....you just made my day! :)]]> 2009-06-06T20:21:56Z yxc2007@web.de Wonko 88.74.169.103 wp_id=222231;date=2009-06-06 16:29:30-04:00 2009-06-06T20:29:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.91.234 wp_id=179409;date=2008-11-19 15:56:18-05:00 2008-11-19T20:56:18Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.142.16.246 wp_id=179423;date=2008-11-19 17:17:18-05:00 2008-11-19T22:17:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=179424;date=2008-11-19 17:21:07-05:00 2008-11-19T22:21:07Z jhaskell3@sbcglobal.net the duke 76.237.181.56 wp_id=179435;date=2008-11-19 18:28:00-05:00 2008-11-19T23:28:00Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=179437;date=2008-11-19 18:32:24-05:00
Second, Watson discovers he was "shot" some time after his attack on the whaleing vessel,that was a joke. Anyone who has ever been shot wearing a vest will tell you this...IT HURTS! Vest will stop the bullet but you know have been hit and it leaves a bruse where you were hit.

Wake up people Watson getting shot was jus a staged stunt in order to make him and his terrorist crew look like victims.]]> 2008-11-19T23:32:24Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=179452;date=2008-11-19 20:48:37-05:00
As to the first point: the difficulty of shooting someone from another ship mean it didn't happen.

The bigger point here, with this post, is how in the world do you justify labeling Animal Planet as "eco-terrorists" for DOCUMENTING what is going on? That's guilt by association at its most absurd.]]> 2008-11-20T01:48:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.4.191.145 wp_id=179453;date=2008-11-19 20:50:24-05:00 2008-11-20T01:50:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.4.191.145 wp_id=179455;date=2008-11-19 21:11:41-05:00 2008-11-20T02:11:41Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=179459;date=2008-11-19 22:04:58-05:00

Good luck with your masters, I know how hard it is to work full time and school too. I trying to finish mine now as well.]]> 2008-11-20T03:04:58Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=179488;date=2008-11-20 01:19:17-05:00 2008-11-20T06:19:17Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=179625;date=2008-11-20 23:25:59-05:00 2008-11-21T04:25:59Z kpcarey@wisc.edu kevin 68.117.135.28 wp_id=179693;date=2008-11-21 13:08:03-05:00 2008-11-21T18:08:03Z cubestar@anonymous.disqus.net cubestar 72.11.81.124 wp_id=179762;date=2008-11-22 02:32:29-05:00 2008-11-22T07:32:29Z jafsahi@gmail.com Julie Afsahi 75.175.124.249 wp_id=179767;date=2008-11-22 03:26:25-05:00 Given the French government sanctioned the killing of innocent people involved in peaceful protest it's clear that governments can be terrorists as well.]]> 2008-11-22T08:26:25Z gideon@dogmad.com Dog Stuff 86.161.118.34 wp_id=180282;date=2008-11-26 04:59:02-05:00
Last time I skyped my mom from Japan she said she had seen the show and asked me about it. That it seemed like something I would be interested in. Shes a good mom. and she liked the show too.]]> 2008-11-26T09:59:02Z jprobert1732@gmail.com Jonathan 219.164.128.60 wp_id=180356;date=2008-11-26 16:43:14-05:00
Oh, and I think the 'got shot' vs 'didn't get shot' is likely explained by shrapnel from those flash gernades the japanese throw at the Sea Sheppard. I heard that possibility discussed somewhere else and it would seem to explain everything pretty nearly.]]> 2008-11-26T21:43:14Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com matthew 209.212.80.175 wp_id=180383;date=2008-11-26 23:40:42-05:00 2008-11-27T04:40:42Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=180827;date=2008-12-01 11:13:57-05:00 Imagine if someone was to enter your home because they had a letter saying that you shouldn't have a real tree for Christmas, you have the right to use force to remove them from your home REGARDLESS of what the hell their letter says (unless it's a warrent). If they don't want to leave, you have the right to detain them for the authority. In the case of a ship at sea, the authority is not going to be readily available, so yes, you would have to detain them.]]> 2008-12-01T16:13:57Z dveight_2000@yahoo.com David 66.35.162.130 wp_id=180831;date=2008-12-01 12:01:04-05:00 How is illegally killing whales analogous to having a Christmas tree?

Regardless: If you think someone is justified in taking illegal action in order to stop or minimize the damage of someone else breaking the law (as in the Christmas tree breaking and entering) then logically, wouldn't it follow that Sea Shepherd is justified in taking action to stop the illegal slaughter of whales?]]> 2008-12-01T17:01:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=180855;date=2008-12-01 17:40:59-05:00 David,
How is illegally killing whales analogous to having a Christmas tree?

Regardless: If you think someone is justified in taking illegal action in order to stop or minimize the damage of someone else breaking the law (as in the Christmas tree breaking and entering) then logically, wouldn’t it follow that Sea Shepherd is justified in taking action to stop the illegal slaughter of whales?
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1) On the episode of "Whale Wars" where they discover a spy ship trailing them, members of Sea Shepherd ADMITTED that international law supports the Japanese on their whale hunts.
2) It is LEGAL to detain/use force against home invaders. The level of force varies from state to state, but in general you have the right to defend yourself.

Now try and find some legal body that will justify forced boarding of another vessel on the high seas.]]> 2008-12-01T22:40:59Z q@anonymous.disqus.net Q 76.111.34.146 wp_id=182731;date=2008-12-22 14:06:30-05:00
Firstly, the shot itself. It would be INSANELY difficult to be able to pull off a single shot like that when both ships were moving at flanking speeds in very choppy waters made even more-so by their blended wakes. I can't think of any one sniper in the world that could make that kind of shot with any kind of certainty. At the very best, it would be a shot of extreme luck. Also, the "bullet" that was pulled from Watson's vest is much too large to have been fired from a rifle or even a handgun smaller than a .50 cal handgun. Also, from what I was able to tell from Animal Planet's footage, it did not have the structural shape of any bullet I have ever seen before, both in the military and as a CSI. It looked like it was simply a hollowed out metal dome shape with jagged edges.

Secondly, it is only after the entire "battle" that Watson notes that he's been shot. As stated on the show by the Japanese, when you get shot you know it. The impact is strong and it's like getting slammed by a sledgehammer. No person who has been shot, especially by a round the size they claim they pulled from his vest which impacted against him so hard it dented his badge, would simply not notice it. Additionally, no bullet will maintain its shape after striking not only a bulletproof vest, but the metal badge beneath it with enough force to actually dent the badge as Watson claims. If he had really been shot, that bullet would have mushroomed at the tip and been completely flat not domed and perfectly shaped.

Thirdly, and most importantly, even if you believe that what Watson pulled from his vest was indeed a bullet, the impact and subsequent damage done to Watson don't match. If you watch, the "round" was pulled from Watson's vest with the bullet hole in the upper left pectoral area. When Watson shows off his "injury" as a result of the bullet strike, the bruise/scratch he claims the bullet left on his skin is located in the center of his chest in line with his chin. From all of the conversations on the show, there was some speculation that the pin of his badge caused the bruise/scratch when the bullet impacted it. The problem with this theory is that even if the badge was dented by a bullet strike, the pin of the badge is no where near long enough to cause a scratch in the location Watson indicated as his injury, no matter how much the badge was deformed by the strike. In a nutshell, there is no physical way Watson could have been struck by a bullet and sustain the injury he displayed.

What all of this means is, quite simply, the shooting was faked by Watson and his mental case cronies in an effort to try and justify his terrorist activities by pretending to be the poor victims. The fact that Animal Planet is documenting these people's activities is quite disturbing. Despite the claim at the beginning of the show that the views of Sea Shepherd do not reflect the views of Discovery and Animal Planet, the producers have obviously tried to paint the Sea Shepherd terrorist organization in quite a positive light. Why the Sea Shepherd organization has not been shut down and the leaders thrown into prison is beyond comprehension because the only message it is sending is that you can act like pirates, thugs, and terrorists and get away with it no legal consequences and be sensationalized as a "hero".

As foolish of a hope as it is, I hope that many members of varied governments have seen this show, take notice of it, and start taking legal action against this organization and have it dismantled and its members thrown in prison.

I am not an advocate of whaling and I do strongly believe in protecting the ecology and wildlife of our planet, but the line is drawn when you attack people who are operating legally (yes, the Japanese were operating their whaling efforts legally) and then lie about every single thing that is done both on your part and the part of your targets. Watson has said in the past that he has no problem going to prison to protect the whales yet every time he has been arrested and arraigned in the past he has fled before a trial could take place. That's the act of a coward, not a humanitarian.]]> 2008-12-22T19:06:30Z mike.rodman@hotmail.com Mike 207.231.228.39 wp_id=185196;date=2009-01-04 12:03:54-05:00 Bullet proof vest only keeps the bullet from penetrating your body,. Your body still takes the damage caused by the force or energy of the bullet.]]> 2009-01-04T17:03:54Z jimhgg@yahoo.com jim 24.218.238.58 wp_id=222046;date=2009-06-03 18:47:13-04:00 2009-06-03T22:47:13Z c_s@anonymous.disqus.net C. S 70.66.171.87 wp_id=222196;date=2009-06-06 04:13:37-04:00 2009-06-06T08:13:37Z hobolobo@hotmail.com Me 173.27.95.201 wp_id=226822;date=2009-08-22 21:47:02-04:00 These sophomoric and violent idiots are going to get themselves or someone else killed, probably on purpose, in order to bring attention to what they consider is a crime. Let's remember Japan is voluntarily involved with the IWC, they could drop out at any time and kill as many whales as they feel since the Minke that they are hunting are in international waters, coincidentally, the Minke are one whale species that is not endangered, in fact their population has grown since the moratorium began in the 80's. Remember also, that whaling represents less than 5% of non-natural whale deaths in the world, accidents in over-crowded shipping lanes represents over 75%
Take that Paul, and go eat ben and Jerry's and tell college freshman how cool you once were, and how you almost did something really dumb to not even have a chance at changing the outcome for whales in the world.]]> 2009-08-23T01:47:02Z aj@anonymous.disqus.net AJ 163.230.148.74 wp_id=227005;date=2009-08-27 09:45:43-04:00 In sooth the Sea Shepherd, with its skull and crossbones flag and its aggressive radical tactics, are but eco-terrorists. Can someone please put a couple of torpedoes into its hull and take us all out of our misery?!?!]]> 2009-08-27T13:45:43Z althohrm@aol.com Althor 207.200.116.8 wp_id=227008;date=2009-08-27 10:17:23-04:00 2009-08-27T14:17:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 71.252.118.85 wp_id=227045;date=2009-08-27 21:17:27-04:00
I hope to God someone sinks them for good!]]> 2009-08-28T01:17:27Z althohrm@aol.com Althor 207.200.116.8 wp_id=180059;date=2008-11-24 12:45:03-05:00
That said, I'm not sure that the ominous "if you don't, we will" statement at the end of this latest ELF release is a good idea. That doesn't help the organization shed the "terrorist" label or discourage the press from sensationalizing them as such. Everyone knows the ELF does radical direct action, including property destruction. Trying to sound scary in the press release isn't necessary. More positivity would be better.

This comment's getting too long, but a final thought - one thing the group's in the sixties often did well was to explicitly connect their struggles with those of others. So maybe it'd be smart for the ELF voice their support for communities in the South resisting mountaintop removal, or applaud the Longest Walk of indigenous Americans, or decry the impact of the border wall on the Earth here in the Southwest, or maybe even acknowledge the joy of so many people at Obama's victory...]]> 2008-11-24T17:45:03Z ansel@mail.utexas.edu ansel 71.42.183.202 wp_id=180066;date=2008-11-24 13:35:35-05:00
Those seem to be pretty mainstream enviro issues the ELF is talking about in its press release, and a website with Flash seems odd also but maybe that's just my Luddite tendencies.

I enjoyed Rosebraugh's ELF book and have his book on violence but haven't read it yet.

I'm willing to assume Obama's not going to try to hurry any species to extinction like Bush, but I think anyone who favors radical changes with regard to eco/animal issues is kidding her/himself if they expect any real change. He's already busy loading up his administration with the same old same old.]]> 2008-11-24T18:35:35Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.169 wp_id=180069;date=2008-11-24 13:52:23-05:00 UCS survey on political interference at the EPA? Although nothing compares to the last eight years, scientists are saying that the same phenomenon occurred during the Clinton administration.
I know that RFK is on the losing side in the autism/vaccination quarrel, and is no longer a likely candidate for the chief, but I can't help but smile when I read things like:
"The issue with RFK Jr. is simply that he shoots his mouth off occasionally, such as by calling global warming skeptics "traitors" or suggesting factory farms are a bigger threat to the American way of life than Islamist terrorists." ]]> 2008-11-24T18:52:23Z jen@anonymous.disqus.net Jen 207.237.131.210 wp_id=180070;date=2008-11-24 14:01:28-05:00 I think you raise some great points. The press office seems to really be taking things in a different direction, in terms of the pro-active media outreach (as opposed to being more driven by communiques, and reacting to ELF actions). Having that an organized, accessible, vocal presence like that is really important... but I also agree with your comment about the Obama language.

Greentangel:
Thanks, I fixed the link. It should be working now, or at least it is for me...]]> 2008-11-24T19:01:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=180071;date=2008-11-24 14:03:42-05:00
So, kudos to everyone, I completely agree. -Will]]> 2008-11-24T19:03:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=180193;date=2008-11-25 10:12:43-05:00
The day after the election I was happy to be part of having the first black president and really hoped I would be shown wrong about Obama. But, even my Obama voting buddy felt nervous as well. A lot of people seem to think that, if they go out once every 4 years and hit a button, they've done a huge things for the world. That's why it's sad. People put so much into the election but nothing else... then act as if I owe them something because I didn't vote democrat (or republican as a note).

I think the publicity thing is a good move on the ELF's part as was already said.

Also, thanks for this blog. I am an avid reader but don't comment much. I really appreciate its existence.]]> 2008-11-25T15:12:43Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 130.49.138.191 wp_id=180462;date=2008-11-27 18:30:27-05:00
First, the WUO. I don't think they were inefficient at all. They blew all sorts of things up, many of them fairly small targets, and yet remained underground, out of the reach of the FBI, for years. None of them were ever caught; they all turned themselves in after they grew tired of being invisible. So to say that they were inefficient, I think, isn't very accurate.

What they did fail to do, however, was to create a sustainable, lasting movement. They were very single-issue focused; it was all about the Vietnam war, which was extremely important, of course. But once the war ended, so did their time in the spotlight. I think it would have been better to recognize all movements as one, and to perform actions in solidarity with various struggles, at home and abroad. Not to mention that there was a little hypocrisy in there - most if not all of them were chain-smoking corporate cigarettes. Maybe even some of them were meat-eaters. Animals are a social class too, you know?

But thanks to them, politically motivated property destruction became a useful and popular tactic. Their communiques were sometimes threatening, sometimes a bunch of hippie, white-privileged nonsense. But they took a stand in both words and action. So now we come to the ELF. Their communiques in the past haven't been as threatening, but have still driven the point home and have been fairly aggressive at times. I think it would be a sort of compromise to play nice with the public. The State and the bourgeosie class are going to hate the ELF regardless of their tone or language, because they represent a grassroots threat to their power. Remember COINTELPRO? It infiltrated not only the WUO, but also student-run organizations, and the American Indian Movements. The FBI, to this day, is trying to infiltrate vegan potlucks and groups called "Hugs for Puppies."

Something tells me that, given this information, nicer language used in that press release wasn't going to change one single, solitary thing.

All that being said though, I agree with your final suggestion in that the ELF should specifically voice their support for other indigenous struggles. Obama's victory, however, doesn't mean much and has no place in an ELF communique.

This is all just my opinion, of course.

- lantz.]]> 2008-11-27T23:30:27Z lantzarroyo@hotmail.com lantz. 24.20.136.43 wp_id=180705;date=2008-11-29 19:48:51-05:00
Thanks for your thoughts on election night. I was also down by the White House that night. I share some of your perspective and feelings - however, what i feel is not what i consider skepticism. Skepticism, for me gives a little too much legitimacy to the idea that Obama represents real change. I am critical of the positive energy and hope behind Obama because i believe it is misplaced and even dangerous if it pacifies people towards working for true change.

Maybe that's the same thing as being skeptical, but I believe being a skeptic isn't enough. We need to be not just skeptical of Obama, but conscious that he both a false solution and part of the same system that perpetuates animal exploitation; environmental destruction; war; poverty; and everything else we are working against.

Perhaps the energy and hope around Obama is refreshing, but we need to push that energy further... because it's not enough - and it's smart and strategic to feel that; it's not just mere skepticism...

Keep up the good work Will.]]> 2008-11-30T00:48:51Z sue.collins@gmail.com Sue 76.100.9.191 wp_id=180748;date=2008-11-30 10:29:14-05:00 2008-11-30T15:29:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.121.68 wp_id=227057;date=2009-08-28 03:08:53-04:00
not to be picky but meat/animal agriculture is listed as the number one cause..."U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) concluded that worldwide livestock farming generates 18% of the planet's greenhouse gas emissions — by comparison, all the world's cars, trains, planes and boats account for a combined 13% of greenhouse gas emissions."

oh and I would run spell check before the next PR.]]> 2009-08-28T07:08:53Z global_warming@anonymous.disqus.net Global Warming 63.224.107.9 wp_id=180207;date=2008-11-25 12:09:35-05:00 Osama attacked once.
The E.L.F./A.L.F. have attacked numerous times, and numerous places.
Most hate crimes go unreported though.
But, I would like to think that radical environmentalists ARE a threat to capitalism and industrial civilization...]]> 2008-11-25T17:09:35Z larrylester@yahoo.com Larry Lester 71.81.75.129 wp_id=180214;date=2008-11-25 14:17:48-05:00 2008-11-25T19:17:48Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=180215;date=2008-11-25 14:28:24-05:00
Wow. I mean, wow.

First: O<del datetime="2008-11-25T23:07:50+00:00">b</del>sama didn't attack once. The U.S.S. Cole attack, for example, killed at least 17 U.S. troops.

Second: Frequency of "attacks" is really apples and oranges here. ELF actions are much more frequent, yet typically involve things like breaking windows, pulling up survey stakes, etching glass, spray painting, vandalizing SUVs, and, at the very, very worst, arson. NONE of these actions have killed anyone.

Sorry, but I think most reasonable people are much more concerned about threats to human life than they are about what you call threats to capitalism.]]> 2008-11-25T19:28:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=180216;date=2008-11-25 14:31:20-05:00
That headline was tough talk, to be sure, and certainly implied that future property destruction and vandalism could take place, but don't miscontrue it to imply any kind of threat to anyone's life, including Obama's.]]> 2008-11-25T19:31:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=180232;date=2008-11-25 17:38:47-05:00 2008-11-25T22:38:47Z ansel@mail.utexas.edu ansel 24.174.24.107 wp_id=180233;date=2008-11-25 18:00:10-05:00 2008-11-25T23:00:10Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 72.95.189.129 wp_id=180234;date=2008-11-25 18:02:24-05:00 2008-11-25T23:02:24Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 72.95.189.129 wp_id=180236;date=2008-11-25 18:07:34-05:00 2008-11-25T23:07:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.101.207.128 wp_id=180238;date=2008-11-25 18:44:16-05:00
Maybe that means exactly what it says, your paranoia is getting the better of you.]]> 2008-11-25T23:44:16Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=180283;date=2008-11-26 05:05:04-05:00
And apparently the feds (even the "conservatives") have no problem throwing billions at anything that moves.]]> 2008-11-26T10:05:04Z jonathan@anonymous.disqus.net Jonathan 219.164.128.60 wp_id=180311;date=2008-11-26 09:59:10-05:00 2008-11-26T14:59:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=180440;date=2008-11-27 13:35:06-05:00 2008-11-27T18:35:06Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 98.233.91.130 wp_id=180449;date=2008-11-27 16:08:26-05:00 2008-11-27T21:08:26Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=180598;date=2008-11-28 16:42:03-05:00 www.911truth.org for information on these issues. The federal government might have created or perhaps allowed 9/11 so it could have an excuse to repress dissent.]]> 2008-11-28T21:42:03Z rebelljb@aol.com Laura Borst 205.188.117.70 wp_id=180685;date=2008-11-29 14:29:02-05:00 2008-11-29T19:29:02Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=180691;date=2008-11-29 16:57:38-05:00 2008-11-29T21:57:38Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=180706;date=2008-11-29 20:01:48-05:00 2008-11-30T01:01:48Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=180763;date=2008-11-30 14:47:26-05:00
So, what have you done to help save the environment?.....nothing, thought so.]]> 2008-11-30T19:47:26Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=180778;date=2008-11-30 20:56:04-05:00 2008-12-01T01:56:04Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=182380;date=2008-12-18 06:45:55-05:00 2008-12-18T11:45:55Z jay@anonymous.disqus.net Jay 209.85.170.136 wp_id=222158;date=2009-06-05 14:24:01-04:00
People are hypocritically praying for mercy from those with power over them; deities, conjugal partners, governments, ideologies, while refusing to extend mercy to others who are helpless to our (in)discretion.

Will, my opinion has been formed about who blew up the towers and it is well summarized in a song lyric "Bin Laden didn't blow up the projects, it was you *ninja*, Bush knocked down the towers." ::: brought to us by Immortal Technique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...]]> 2009-06-05T18:24:01Z pdxvx@yahoo.com Radish 97.120.193.123 wp_id=180307;date=2008-11-26 09:37:54-05:00 2008-11-26T14:37:54Z jonathan@anonymous.disqus.net Jonathan 219.164.128.60 wp_id=180310;date=2008-11-26 09:56:08-05:00 Not sure how much they spent on that ad (if anyone has a good ad industry site to check, that would be interesting to know...) but I did see this about HSBC making the biggest single-issue advertising buy in magazine history.

Also, they sent a cease and desist order to the Yes Men for the spoof New York Times edition they published (please check it out if you haven't!), in which they twisted one of these idiotic ads around.]]> 2008-11-26T14:56:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=180317;date=2008-11-26 11:17:41-05:00 I agree 100% - but HSBC is a bank - they'll never understand anything deeper than profit/loss; and that ultimately will be their loss.]]> 2008-11-26T16:17:41Z gideon@dogmad.com Dog Stuff 86.161.118.34 wp_id=180318;date=2008-11-26 11:22:46-05:00 2008-11-26T16:22:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=180321;date=2008-11-26 11:39:38-05:00 2008-11-26T16:39:38Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=180323;date=2008-11-26 11:48:47-05:00 2008-11-26T16:48:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=180344;date=2008-11-26 15:33:22-05:00
http://www.splendad.com/ads/sh...]]> 2008-11-26T20:33:22Z will_sandwich@anonymous.disqus.net Will Sandwich 24.21.171.28 wp_id=180347;date=2008-11-26 15:42:29-05:00 2008-11-26T20:42:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.111.0 wp_id=180348;date=2008-11-26 15:57:28-05:00 2008-11-26T20:57:28Z b@anonymous.disqus.net B 64.56.241.60 wp_id=180351;date=2008-11-26 16:18:51-05:00 2008-11-26T21:18:51Z lmr352@gmail.com Lindsay 67.86.115.120 wp_id=180355;date=2008-11-26 16:38:43-05:00
And com'on Will - this ad has been out for 6 months. It airs on every damn football I watch. You should be watching more of those UT games.

Oh, and speaking of that, if somehow USC and Texas get matched up in a bowl game this year, I'm having a HATE BOWL party at my place and everyone is invited (and I will hate every one of my Longhorn friends).]]> 2008-11-26T21:38:43Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com matthew 209.212.80.175 wp_id=180358;date=2008-11-26 17:17:50-05:00 2008-11-26T22:17:50Z justin@anonymous.disqus.net Justin 69.177.39.250 wp_id=180362;date=2008-11-26 17:43:03-05:00
That being said, I'm down for Hate Bowl. And after its passage, I will rename it SCOREBOARD Bowl, or maybe just Scoreboard, cause really, that's all Longhorns ever have to say.

Burn.]]> 2008-11-26T22:43:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.111.0 wp_id=180378;date=2008-11-26 22:38:19-05:00 2008-11-27T03:38:19Z vigilantejustice666@gmail.com Eileen 152.99.132.11 wp_id=180384;date=2008-11-26 23:43:12-05:00 2008-11-27T04:43:12Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=180385;date=2008-11-26 23:50:56-05:00 2008-11-27T04:50:56Z jersey_fresh@anonymous.disqus.net Jersey Fresh 24.188.46.42 wp_id=180388;date=2008-11-27 01:11:04-05:00 2008-11-27T06:11:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.5.139.76 wp_id=180400;date=2008-11-27 04:41:37-05:00 2008-11-27T09:41:37Z deirdre.lally@seac.org d 72.70.193.42 wp_id=180461;date=2008-11-27 18:16:27-05:00
I watched it without the sound because the computer I'm on doesn't have a sound card. And it was still infuriating. Capitalism is such a dirty, dirty thing. That a bank will go so far as to poke its nose in matters which it knows nothing about (i.e. social justice movements and their various tactics), and then have the audacity to interpret those matters and transform into sensationalistic images, is appalling. But it's also to be expected.

Banks - ALL BANKS - are tools of The State. Abolish banks, and capitalism doesn't have much of a leg to stand on. Abolish government, and the monster comes crumbling down. But don't expect the corporate media to paint activists in any sort of positive light, regardless of their cause. It just illustrates that we need to fight harder, and stronger.

By the way, Joe, what's your badge number?

- lantz.]]> 2008-11-27T23:16:27Z lantzarroyo@hotmail.com lantz. 24.20.136.43 wp_id=180463;date=2008-11-27 18:39:40-05:00 2008-11-27T23:39:40Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=180504;date=2008-11-28 01:55:01-05:00
Great way of saying it. This didn't surprise me, but it just got under my skin to see an international bank interpret and then transform a scene like this to sell sell sell.]]> 2008-11-28T06:55:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 99.207.101.156 wp_id=180510;date=2008-11-28 02:44:26-05:00
Yeah, because legal logging never decimated a forest, dumped silt into creeks and rivers, killed owls and murrelets and salmon, or poisoned a watershed with herbicides!]]> 2008-11-28T07:44:26Z harry@anonymous.disqus.net Harry 69.181.194.222 wp_id=180511;date=2008-11-28 02:47:01-05:00
"There is nothing wrong with logging! Loggers provide the wood for the house you live in, the desk you write at and the pencil you use."

Just like there is nothing wrong with rape...It feels good, it kills time, and it burns calories!]]> 2008-11-28T07:47:01Z harry@anonymous.disqus.net Harry 69.181.194.222 wp_id=180681;date=2008-11-29 13:15:41-05:00 2008-11-29T18:15:41Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=180701;date=2008-11-29 19:00:35-05:00
But in all seriousness, your wife is hott!

No really, just because we're coerced by our culture to use certain products doesn't mean their production is ethical, and doesn't mean we should be okay with how they're produced no matter how destructive. What an incredibly stupid premise for you to operate under!]]> 2008-11-30T00:00:35Z harry@anonymous.disqus.net Harry 69.181.194.222 wp_id=181585;date=2008-12-10 00:42:00-05:00 2008-12-10T05:42:00Z asher2789@gmail.com ashley 137.142.177.211 wp_id=183519;date=2008-12-26 12:52:05-05:00
It's smart marketing, I must say, like Manhattan Mini Storage's sortof-but-not-too political ads, except that Manhattan Mini Storage is a) not an International Bank and b) actually doing some good for carriage horses in NYC.

Smart marketing is going to happen, and logging and demos and "eco-terrorism" are enough in the news that they are going to be used. What matters, then, is how we absorb the information. I do pay attention to the ads because they're smarter and more interesting than the usual ones, but know that all it means is that HSBC had enough $ and smarts to hire someone plugged into this vernacular. It doesn't make them better or worse than any other huge bank. Just a little appealing and familiar and a little repulsive.]]> 2008-12-26T17:52:05Z poolaboveground@gmail.co abovegroundpool 69.118.144.117 wp_id=180420;date=2008-11-27 10:02:24-05:00
Happy (vegan) Thanksgiving!]]> 2008-11-27T15:02:24Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.142.30.47 wp_id=180425;date=2008-11-27 11:08:13-05:00 2008-11-27T16:08:13Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com matthew 64.233.160.136 wp_id=180431;date=2008-11-27 12:02:47-05:00
Happy Thingstaken.]]> 2008-11-27T17:02:47Z ansel@mail.utexas.edu ansel 128.83.195.112 wp_id=180454;date=2008-11-27 17:37:29-05:00 2008-11-27T22:37:29Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=180481;date=2008-11-27 21:53:05-05:00 2008-11-28T02:53:05Z veganemelda@gmail.com em 69.211.50.67 wp_id=180502;date=2008-11-28 01:51:27-05:00 2008-11-28T06:51:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 99.207.101.156 wp_id=180503;date=2008-11-28 01:52:51-05:00 I can has pgp?

or perhaps "Wifout a Trace, Kitteh Edishun."]]> 2008-11-28T06:52:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 99.207.101.156 wp_id=180749;date=2008-11-30 10:31:12-05:00 rate this at iCanHasCheezburger.com!]]> 2008-11-30T15:31:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.121.68 wp_id=181511;date=2008-12-09 00:01:00-05:00 2008-12-09T05:01:00Z jason@zombie-popcorn.com Bayless 72.218.127.218 wp_id=181569;date=2008-12-09 18:01:37-05:00 2008-12-09T23:01:37Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.144.166.236 wp_id=181594;date=2008-12-10 04:52:52-05:00 "The FBI's fiscal 2008 budget is focused on improving the FBI's capabilities in addressing five key challenges: combating terrorism; preventing the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction; defeating foreign intelligence operations; reducing child exploitation and violent crimes; and strengthening infrastructure and information technology."
Funny they don't mention pranks or empty boxes...]]> 2008-12-10T09:52:52Z gideon@dogmad.com Dog Stuff 86.161.118.34 wp_id=181615;date=2008-12-10 09:25:00-05:00 2008-12-10T14:25:00Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 72.77.69.42 wp_id=181617;date=2008-12-10 10:42:57-05:00 Maybe we would because it seems like a waste of resources. I'm just posing the question.]]> 2008-12-10T15:42:57Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=181618;date=2008-12-10 10:48:32-05:00 2008-12-10T15:48:32Z kpcarey@wisc.edu kevin 128.104.230.138 wp_id=181619;date=2008-12-10 10:54:55-05:00
I didn't know that preventing the acquisition of WMDs was one of their stated goals... kind of makes this stories like this about wasted resources even more absurd.]]> 2008-12-10T15:54:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.101.200.75 wp_id=181620;date=2008-12-10 10:58:23-05:00 I think that's a very fair and relevant point to raise. It wouldn't be the first time. Anyone can spraypaint "ELF" or "ALF" on anything, and the government automatically attributes it to eco and animal activists.]]> 2008-12-10T15:58:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.101.200.75 wp_id=181630;date=2008-12-10 15:05:42-05:00
If the government considers ALF/ELF/etc. terrorists, why did they keep proclaiming they've prevented any terrorist acts in the country since 9-11?]]> 2008-12-10T20:05:42Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.226 wp_id=181631;date=2008-12-10 15:06:09-05:00 2008-12-10T20:06:09Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=181646;date=2008-12-10 20:27:17-05:00 2008-12-11T01:27:17Z henry@anonymous.disqus.net Henry 76.168.247.230 wp_id=181686;date=2008-12-11 13:09:33-05:00 2008-12-11T18:09:33Z marjoypb@gmail.com Mari 74.65.121.159 wp_id=181687;date=2008-12-11 13:12:33-05:00 2008-12-11T18:12:33Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=181689;date=2008-12-11 13:16:34-05:00 Berman was interviewed in April 2007 by Morley Safer on "60 Minutes."
Safer works at "60 Minutes" with Scott Pelley.
Pelley interviewed President George W. Bush in January 2007.
Bush has waged a six-year indefensible war on the people of Iraq. (I'd say that's terrorism.)]]> 2008-12-11T18:16:34Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=181690;date=2008-12-11 13:17:14-05:00 2008-12-11T18:17:14Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=181691;date=2008-12-11 13:28:22-05:00 2008-12-11T18:28:22Z chad@anonymous.disqus.net Chad 24.21.214.243 wp_id=181693;date=2008-12-11 13:30:24-05:00 http://www.lavidalocavore.org/...), whom we know hires paramilitary groups to murder union leaders (http://www.killercoke.org/crim...). It would seem to me that 'paramilitary' is really a euphemism used to legitimize corporate terrorism against unions and others. Hence, in really only one step, CCF is connected to terrorists (though maybe a few more steps if you buy Coke's arguments that they aren't responsible for the actions because it's the subsidiary of their subsidiary involved...)]]> 2008-12-11T18:30:24Z megan.wade@gmail.com Megan 75.62.5.241 wp_id=181694;date=2008-12-11 13:40:31-05:00
At least nine workers/organizers at Coca-Cola bottling plants in Colombia have been murdered in the last thirteen years, and that doesn't include threats of intimidation, kidnappings, and torture. Coke paid a far-right paramilitary group, called the United Self Defence Forces of Colombia (AUC), to murder these people after courts forced Coke to rehire said workers after their unlawful termination for attempting to organize.

That's two steps. No claiming that property loss is terrorism (if we did that I bet we could do it in one step), just cold-blooded murder with the intent of silencing a group from organizing.

More information at http://www.killercoke.org]]> 2008-12-11T18:40:31Z xveganmurdermachinex@riseup.net Dave 69.114.85.110 wp_id=181695;date=2008-12-11 13:43:02-05:00 2008-12-11T18:43:02Z kpcarey@wisc.edu kevin 68.117.135.28 wp_id=181696;date=2008-12-11 13:47:15-05:00 2008-12-11T18:47:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.65.228 wp_id=181697;date=2008-12-11 13:51:27-05:00 2008-12-11T18:51:27Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=181701;date=2008-12-11 14:31:22-05:00
As a registered non-profit, they're legally required to publicly file every year where their money comes from, and who works for them. I can't remember the site I found that on (it was awhile ago) but here's some relevant information:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind...

There may have been some personnel changes, but the info shouldn't be particularly hard to find.]]> 2008-12-11T19:31:22Z xveganmurdermachinex@riseup.net Dave 69.114.85.110 wp_id=181703;date=2008-12-11 14:46:46-05:00
And they're right about that. Same leaders, same office, same tax ID number.

The SHAC crew in my hometown were plenty clever with the name changes, but maybe HSUS is just plain stupid for being seen with them. If they're that clueless, they don't deserve to make the big bucks.

- Greg in Philly]]> 2008-12-11T19:46:46Z gregoire525@yahoo.com greg 66.208.14.242 wp_id=181704;date=2008-12-11 14:54:03-05:00 2008-12-11T19:54:03Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 130.49.138.191 wp_id=181709;date=2008-12-11 15:07:34-05:00
CCF is more of a terrorist group than any of the environmentalist or animal rights groups they claim to save people from in that they contribute directly to the death of our planet and its inhabitants.

They basically run on ignorance, spreading it like a disease throughout the public and the public, so desperate to stop feeling guilty, buys into the hate. If we are going to make terrorist connections, let us discuss how CCF basically condones and funds the deliberate torture of animals in labs and on farms for mere human interest, luxury, and profit as well as supports the rape of our planet, all in name of the "freedom to consume" whatever they wish. It is this carelessness that has led to the damage of our ecosystem, the torture of our fellow animals AND humans, and will ultimately continue to lead to more disease, poverty, and death.

If we want to throw around the word "terrorist", let's toss it at the real people causing terror and destruction: the Center for Consumer Freedom.]]> 2008-12-11T20:07:34Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 130.49.138.191 wp_id=181710;date=2008-12-11 15:09:20-05:00
Liar.]]> 2008-12-11T20:09:20Z asdf@asdf.com Canaduck 66.183.104.154 wp_id=181711;date=2008-12-11 15:09:22-05:00 McGovern voted in favor of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.

The Gulf of Tonkin Resolution is affiliated with terrorism in two ways: it was prompted by a supposed act of terrorism against the USS Maddox; and, it effectively authorized the Vietnam War, which few would dispute included thousands of acts of terroristic attacks against civilians.

Kinda loose connection, I know -- but it's fewer than six steps, and, unlike the CCF's propaganda campaign, includes real examples of terrorism.]]> 2008-12-11T20:09:22Z jasonh@uarc.com jason 67.171.16.183 wp_id=181713;date=2008-12-11 15:29:36-05:00


Asshole,]]> 2008-12-11T20:29:36Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=181716;date=2008-12-11 15:46:20-05:00 2008-12-11T20:46:20Z baily2@optonline.net matt 66.173.244.30 wp_id=181730;date=2008-12-11 20:56:00-05:00 2008-12-12T01:56:00Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=181731;date=2008-12-11 20:59:02-05:00 2008-12-12T01:59:02Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=181735;date=2008-12-11 22:19:49-05:00 You're eloquence sets a standard to which we should all aspire.
Since you either will not of cannot provide details of your alleged victimisation by animal rights terrorists, Canaducks comment remains a valid assumption. Simply, put up or shut up.]]> 2008-12-12T03:19:49Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 192.102.239.195 wp_id=181744;date=2008-12-12 02:30:09-05:00
Anyway, the joke is on HSUS for going to absurd lengths to portray itself as a moderate organization and distance itself at all costs from "the radical fringe." They should have learned by now that they're going to be called terrorists no matter what they support, so why not deserve it?]]> 2008-12-12T07:30:09Z vigilantejustice666@gmail.com Eileen 152.99.132.11 wp_id=181792;date=2008-12-12 14:44:55-05:00
Organizations like C.C.F. (and J.O.E.) should know that their political power dims every time they over-use the root word terror* for incidents of someone having their garage tagged or being yelled at for a few minutes.

Hell, I had my tires slashed and windows broken once and caught the guy (who also did this to 5 other cars). Apparently the police couldn't be bothered because we were in a low-income area.

Here we are in the same month that the USA government refuses to sign a cluster bomb treaty, opting to instead leave hundreds of thousands of tiny land mines for the children of the world to happen upon.

We all pay taxes - 1 Step to funding a terrorist org.]]> 2008-12-12T19:44:55Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.81.124 wp_id=181795;date=2008-12-12 14:54:34-05:00 2008-12-12T19:54:34Z farm@farmusa.org Alex 72.66.75.122 wp_id=181802;date=2008-12-12 16:14:45-05:00 http://www.pbs.org/now/politic...]]> 2008-12-12T21:14:45Z niggs.k@gmail.com Karen 174.147.53.239 wp_id=181806;date=2008-12-12 18:01:54-05:00
CCF's press contact is Sarah Kapenstein, who works for the PR group Berman and Company, run by Rick Berman. Rick Berman likes to consider himself Dr. Evil, according to 60 minutes:
http://www.bermanandcompany.co...

Berman has gotten a name for himself, working for the alcohol industry against MADD, running the 'Center for Union Facts,' an industry front group to smear labor unions particularly, as well as running an anti-minimum wage under the name of the 'Employment Policy Institute'. Each campaign is based on skewed/falsely analyzed information and big-budget ads.

Kapenstein herself has been spokeswoman for the alcohol industry, the Center for Union Smearing, and an anti-ACORN campaign.

Oddly enough, Kapenstein on her start-up site RateMyInternships.com, claims to have interned for an "environmental organization" during her years in college. Searching through the small number of employers on her internship site, there's only one environmental organization - Conservation International. In the sole review, likely Kapenstein, there's so-so rating, saying:

"The people who work there are nice. You can wear jeans to work. I learned more about fundraising than I did about planning events."

What did you like least?

"There was a lot of downtime and the tasks could be mundane, like putting folders together."

Any special opportunities for Interns?

"I went to one of the special events which was nice."

How were the employees?

"Everyone there is nice, but its not standard corporate culture which can make it awkward if that's what you're used to. On the other hand, its a relaxed atmosphere, which is nice."

Any tips for applying/getting the internship?

"Be friendly and personable."]]> 2008-12-12T23:01:54Z josh@anonymous.disqus.net josh 68.126.185.79 wp_id=181813;date=2008-12-12 21:00:43-05:00
All this because I support sound wildlife management and hunting, my wife and I both work for the same state wildlife agency and we and our colleges do more to save the environment in one month than all animal rights groups have ever done.]]> 2008-12-13T02:00:43Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=181897;date=2008-12-13 17:00:28-05:00 - I've received emailed death threats.
- A previous car I owned was vandalized five times. Once they pulled off the door handles, making it inaccessible to me. Other times they broke windows, popped tires, stole my gate remote...
- Every bike I've ever owned has been stolen (about 8 bikes).
- During college, a drunk man snuck into my bed while I was asleep and urinated.
Oh, but since I'm not part of an animal enterprise, I don't get special protection.]]> 2008-12-13T22:00:28Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=181902;date=2008-12-13 18:31:52-05:00 2008-12-13T23:31:52Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=181913;date=2008-12-13 20:45:50-05:00
Colleges or colleagues? Either way, your claim about doing more for the environment than AR groups is sort of meaningless since that's not what AR groups are usually focused on.

Sound wildlife management is an oxymoron promoted by morons who think they're capable of managing ecological systems more complex than anyone can comprehend. We have state wildlife agencies and hunters to thank for the lack of predators, overpopulation of deer, and all the ecological destruction which has resulted.

I wish all the folks who supposedly worry about the populations of other species had the guts to talk about what the overpopulation of humans has done to the planet. Where's your management plan for that?]]> 2008-12-14T01:45:50Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.207 wp_id=181939;date=2008-12-14 03:03:45-05:00 2008-12-14T08:03:45Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=181962;date=2008-12-14 10:38:28-05:00 2008-12-14T15:38:28Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=181964;date=2008-12-14 10:41:42-05:00 2008-12-14T15:41:42Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=181973;date=2008-12-14 11:48:28-05:00
The Human Society started it's political career in Osama bin Laden's living room!]]> 2008-12-14T16:48:28Z gill@internets.com gill 75.168.18.67 wp_id=181978;date=2008-12-14 12:15:10-05:00
I've known many rangers here and they all tell stories of being threatened. But those who threaten them are always the hunters and "sportsmen" never animal rights groups.]]> 2008-12-14T17:15:10Z lawguy1946@yahoo.com ron 24.160.167.166 wp_id=181989;date=2008-12-14 13:38:46-05:00
With the level of stupidity of his discourse here, there's no reason for anyone reading this thread to believe a word that he says!

If Joe wants to provide a thread to any proof on the web of these "terrorist acts" he might have a little more credibility.

The phrase "acts of terrorism" is a word that has so little meaning these days that it's become a joke. I suspect Joe when he steps on a piece of chewing gum, he labels the person who dropped it was a "terrorist"!

Go away Joe, and let the adults carry on the conversation in a rational way here...we don't need your bullsh*t!]]> 2008-12-14T18:38:46Z wagonjak@suddenlink.net wagonjak 75.111.68.23 wp_id=181994;date=2008-12-14 14:40:25-05:00 I have in past post stated what acts of terrorism have been committed against my family and me, we have had many death threats in the middle of the night called on our unlisted number wher--

Shorter Joe: Dear Penthouse...]]> 2008-12-14T19:40:25Z contact@dumpbushnow.us dave™© 68.127.166.14 wp_id=181996;date=2008-12-14 15:20:16-05:00 2008-12-14T20:20:16Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=182012;date=2008-12-14 18:09:46-05:00 2008-12-14T23:09:46Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=182024;date=2008-12-14 20:35:15-05:00 2008-12-15T01:35:15Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=182029;date=2008-12-14 22:29:24-05:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...]]> 2008-12-15T03:29:24Z gw@anonymous.disqus.net GW 98.233.91.130 wp_id=182037;date=2008-12-14 23:36:50-05:00
What college did you go to? Your posts are rife with simple grammatical and spelling errors. Are all wildlife "managers" as dumb as you? Is that why wildlife management policies are so idiotic, anthropocentric, and murderous?]]> 2008-12-15T04:36:50Z henry@anonymous.disqus.net Henry 76.168.247.230 wp_id=182045;date=2008-12-15 00:41:38-05:00 Dear god, why has no one seen it before?]]> 2008-12-15T05:41:38Z n.pearson@hotmail.com Nicci 220.233.7.79 wp_id=182086;date=2008-12-15 09:52:25-05:00
Secondly, we have birth control measures that can easily prevent births, but the religious right and other groups oppose that. The mormon and Catholic religions still support huge families--why not do that responsibly, by encouraging adoption?? Why do my tax dollars have to pay for a crackhead mother to crank out baby after baby, but can't be used to pay for an abortion?? Why can't we sterilize people who are unfit parents and who agree to it?? Why can't we make birth control readily available?

There are so many ways to begin controlling the population that do not require the killing of anyone here. You need to stop living in your fantasy world where humans own the planet and can do as they please. The reality is that we are a PART of an ECOSYSTEM that we are destroying because of our arrogance and stupidity. I am not going to sit idly by while that happens. When people like me save this planet, are people like you going to kill yourself because you realize you did nothing to save it and don't deserve to be here?]]> 2008-12-15T14:52:25Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=182109;date=2008-12-15 13:37:00-05:00
Also, this Joe guy who is claiming to be a victim is either a liar, or he'll name names. Also... having someone threaten your family is NOTHING compared to the wholesale brutality and slaughter perpetrated by the meat and dairy industries.

Having worked with victims of violent crime in urban areas, I've found that the extremely defensive victims such as Joe are usually lying and really aren't victims at all. I seriously doubt that Joe is a victim of violent crimes or even violent phone calls. I think he's either part of the CCF, or employed in some fashion by the meat or dairy industry. Shame on him for lying.]]> 2008-12-15T18:37:00Z manchicken@manchicken.com manchicken 173.23.108.225 wp_id=182138;date=2008-12-15 18:36:12-05:00
Kathy, I agree with you about birth control but how do you impose your will onto others in this matter? Are you going to lobby to have parents apply for a permit before they can have children?

I still don't see how you becoming a vegan helps to save the planet, I have actually save large plots of land from development. Its people like me that help save the planet.

Manchicken, I have never lied about the threats to me and my family but even if I was lying you cannot deny that threats like the ones I have experienced have not happened to other researchers.]]> 2008-12-15T23:36:12Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=182152;date=2008-12-15 22:51:38-05:00 2008-12-16T03:51:38Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=182153;date=2008-12-15 23:37:01-05:00
Yes I support hunting and I always will, hunting is not killing this planet, its a fact that regulated hunting has never caused the extinction of a species.

I do many things in my job to help. I love to catch poachers, poachers are not hunters and give hunters a bad name. I will go out of my way to catch someone I believe is poaching.

I review environmental impact statements(EIS) on new or planned developments, if the developers do not do everything possible to mitigate negative effects to the surrounding environment they are denied and the project is scraped. Many times the land is bought by the state and turned into forests preserve.]]> 2008-12-16T04:37:01Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=182222;date=2008-12-16 15:49:44-05:00 2008-12-16T20:49:44Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=182254;date=2008-12-16 23:07:56-05:00
A crank call I can deal with but a terrorist threat of burning my house down with my family in it is another and no one should have to put up with such calls. So you just go back to sitting in your house, eating tofu, making crank calls and thinking you are helping the environment when you are really doing nothing.


The next time you are hiking in your favorite state forest and you see a hunter, stop and thank them for helping to provide you with a nice place to hike.]]> 2008-12-17T04:07:56Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=182288;date=2008-12-17 08:45:25-05:00
Also--there should be no consequences for living your life without hurting anyone, but you inflict your consequences on innocent animals every day because you think you have the right to decide which innocent beings should die and which idiotic hunters get to kill them. Animals have to deal with the terrorism that you inflict, so you need to deal with the terrorism inflicted by those acting in their behalf. Stop being such a coward.

As for thanking hunters--please. we could have a far better environment without them. I would prefer that we kept the animals.]]> 2008-12-17T13:45:25Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=206860;date=2009-03-13 06:58:47-04:00
I just wish the general public could put two and two together when the advertisement is paid by the market they are protecting. This is just the same as the corn refiner's endorsing high fructose corn syrup and milk consumption by dairy farmers. This is crossing the line even further. I am just so disgusted.]]> 2009-03-13T10:58:47Z shadowsarah@gmail.com Sarah 74.191.76.105 wp_id=214430;date=2009-04-03 11:32:20-04:00 the people who came up with that are idiots and morons.
Humane society are doing good things for animal rights. and they definately would not participate or support eco terrorism. they are non violent and fight legally for what they beleive in. not this 6 step bs that connects them with eco terrorists.
someone(s) need to get their head from up their behinds.]]> 2009-04-03T15:32:20Z shirley.bookaholic@gmail.com shirl 204.84.216.10 wp_id=219365;date=2009-05-06 16:17:43-04:00 2009-05-06T20:17:43Z rightauk@sisqtel.net Flu-Bird 63.207.224.249 wp_id=181779;date=2008-12-12 11:42:37-05:00
any way i can get that made into a christmas card?]]> 2008-12-12T16:42:37Z turnyourback@gmail.com lauren 24.91.11.42 wp_id=181781;date=2008-12-12 11:50:16-05:00 2008-12-12T16:50:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.214.161 wp_id=181782;date=2008-12-12 11:54:12-05:00 2008-12-12T16:54:12Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 130.49.138.191 wp_id=181803;date=2008-12-12 16:51:23-05:00
I find it further hysterical that despite Wayne Pacelle's egregious salary, HSUS will likely be the only group that could be financially impacted by this add even after Wayne pointing his finger at the grassroots and calling us the terrorists. Really it's the grassroots right down to the rescues and sanctuaries that starve because of this wal-mart sized corporate quasi welfare conglomerate. Things like this might even further help our cause as people who would feel now concerned about donating to HSUS might give there money to small organizations with hands on results to helping animals and not the pocket packers of hurricane Katrina that put bounties out on animal liberationists.

While it's always nice to see my picture again I really deserve it less then many others and know there are many unsung champions of the animal rights and liberation movement. Some activists from that same demo are even glad it's not their picture that was used but personally I could careless.

The bottom line is that I'm no one special it is you who can make the difference, you who make us strong, you and your actions seen or unseen that I heart and admire.

Solidarity and liberation always
Greg]]> 2008-12-12T21:51:23Z greg3@kittenmail.info Greg 76.91.2.15 wp_id=181899;date=2008-12-13 17:35:12-05:00 2008-12-13T22:35:12Z pcannon@riseup.net Kaleb 66.30.113.235 wp_id=182030;date=2008-12-14 22:31:05-05:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...]]> 2008-12-15T03:31:05Z gw@anonymous.disqus.net GW 98.233.91.130 wp_id=182092;date=2008-12-15 10:34:44-05:00 2008-12-15T15:34:44Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=182094;date=2008-12-15 11:04:43-05:00 2008-12-15T16:04:43Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 130.49.138.191 wp_id=182095;date=2008-12-15 11:05:09-05:00 2008-12-15T16:05:09Z vegansxesith@gmail.com Rob xVx 71.105.63.54 wp_id=182097;date=2008-12-15 11:24:14-05:00 2008-12-15T16:24:14Z safeinhevndead@hotmail.com brad 24.152.217.205 wp_id=182099;date=2008-12-15 11:55:02-05:00 I think that's a great idea... money much better spent than on activist witch hunts.

(And by the looks of it, I think my photoshopping skills were about as good as CCF's, so this ad could run as-is!)]]> 2008-12-15T16:55:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=182100;date=2008-12-15 11:57:16-05:00 2008-12-15T16:57:16Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.144.238.180 wp_id=182105;date=2008-12-15 12:29:13-05:00 2008-12-15T17:29:13Z asdf@asdf.com Canaduck 66.183.104.154 wp_id=182113;date=2008-12-15 13:58:50-05:00 Did you design that picture of the cigarette towers? If only someone had the money to run this who actually would! Karen, congrats. You're going to love the apron. I bought at AR 2008 and wear it around proudly.]]> 2008-12-15T18:58:50Z vegandb@gmail.com David 216.220.104.228 wp_id=182118;date=2008-12-15 14:45:02-05:00 Sorry, I should have had an image credit in the original post! I found it on a couple blogs (it's amazing what "cigarette+terrorism" turns up) but just tracked down the original and it looks like it was made by a New Zealand anti-smoking group.]]> 2008-12-15T19:45:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=182133;date=2008-12-15 18:00:15-05:00 2008-12-15T23:00:15Z eric@ananimalfriendlylife.com eric 74.125.112.136 wp_id=182134;date=2008-12-15 18:03:02-05:00 2008-12-15T23:03:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=182145;date=2008-12-15 21:52:16-05:00 2008-12-16T02:52:16Z itsallperception@gmail.com Do it 203.129.146.24 wp_id=182166;date=2008-12-16 02:07:37-05:00 2008-12-16T07:07:37Z eileenbotti@yahoo.com eileen 67.86.165.210 wp_id=182401;date=2008-12-18 11:03:46-05:00 2008-12-18T16:03:46Z veganforlife@sbcglobal.net Mark Hawthorne 12.4.26.248 wp_id=182402;date=2008-12-18 11:51:26-05:00
I think the connection of groups like the CCF to terrorists is even easier to make - yet perhaps a bit overplayed and hence in the category of things some activists don't like to talk about because they worry about being dismissed by their opponents, or just sounding cliche.

But the CCF pays taxes to the United States Government. And are connected to and in full support of that government in many other ways. That's your connection to terrorism. The US government is the biggest terrorist organization on the planet. The state and all of it's tentacles - the military, the cops, the courts, the wage system - this is terrorism in action. The terror of war and the terror of police repression, the terror of living our lives in step with business as usual in fear of what happens if we step out of line. Most everything in system is based on terror. And then there's animal expolitation and environmental destruction - firmly rooted in this system of terror.

The American way of life is based on terrorism plain and simple. This is the message that we need to get out.

And then there's all the stats. Pointing out the contradictions of CCF makes sense. But be careful about reffering to the real "terrorist brown people living in the middle east" which is essentially what you are saying when you say "real terrorists in iraq" --- it's playing into the post 9/11 media definition of terrorism, shadowy brown people in a far off land who are dangerous.... Yes, there are people who use terrorist tactics in Iraq (the majority by far are US soldiers)...

This is bullshit to constantly reference these shadowy terrorists in a far off land when we have bigger terrorists in the United States. They wear suits and ties and sit in boardrooms for many hours a day. They live in quite neighborhoods in the suburbs as well as on bustling city streets not unlike the ones Nazi leaders went home too after their days at the office. The maintain the prison system, they declare and continue wars and occupations, they evict people from their homes, they practice and fund vivisection and forest destruction. These people surround us. And they are responsible for a great deal of terror in this world. One of those men in suits was just elected President. You can connect him to terrorism in less then six steps as well.

Perhaps we need to change the image of a terrorist from a bullhorn wielding activist to a person (no longer limited to white men!) in a suit weilding a pen.]]> 2008-12-18T16:51:26Z liz.garcia@gmail.com Elizabeth 96.231.1.133 wp_id=182701;date=2008-12-22 00:49:46-05:00 2008-12-22T05:49:46Z gary@animalwritings.com Gary 70.179.96.84 wp_id=198227;date=2009-02-15 17:41:12-05:00
The use of these terrorist activities is to create a chilling effect on freedom of speech. The right thing for a citizen to do is yell louder to get the HSUS away from our animals with their euthanasia van.]]> 2009-02-15T22:41:12Z thomaskirby169@hotmail.com Tom 69.76.159.73 wp_id=198627;date=2009-02-16 18:46:14-05:00 2009-02-16T23:46:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.114.89.241 wp_id=225553;date=2009-08-02 23:36:37-04:00 2009-08-03T03:36:37Z darthchaosofrspw@gmail.com Darth Chaos 173.80.100.29 wp_id=227009;date=2009-08-27 11:19:20-04:00
It's bad enough you spread America-hate trash like 9/11 twoof. But now you're spreading obesity twoof. Your obesity twoof movement does nothing but endanger health and well-being. How many people have died because they were brainwashed by your obesity twoof movement? If anybody has died because they followed your obesity twoof ramblings and adopted them as truth, you should be held criminally responsible for their murders. Fuck you, you America-hate murdering trash.]]> 2009-08-27T15:19:20Z hrsexton@aol.com troyfromwv 173.80.100.29 wp_id=231863;date=2009-11-23 07:04:21-05:00
http://www.dailymail.com/polic...

PUTNAM COUNTY, W.Va. -- A Putnam County man charged with abusing his sons at a public ballfield has been released on bond but has been ordered to have no contact with his children until the case is resolved.

Troy Palmer Sexton, 36, of Summit Ridge Road, Hurricane, is facing domestic battery charges after carrying his 6-year-old son across a field by one ankle and allowing the child's helmeted head to hit the ground "more than once," according to a criminal complaint filed in Putnam Magistrate Court.

Sexton was with his four children, including 6-year-old triplets, at the field behind Winfield Elementary on Aug. 6 when a witness saw him being rough with his children during football practice.
Winfield Patrolmen Al Mick and Patrolman Robert Flinn met Putnam Sheriff's Deputy Chad Weaver at the field and found Sexton's vehicle blocked by the vehicles of other parents.

Sexton was described by officers as standing 6 feet 3 inches tall and weighing about 275 pounds. Police said the man looked calm as they approached.

A witness told Mick she saw Sexton leave his seat, cross the field and lift one of his sons above his head and slam him to the ground.
Another witness told police the father had approached the coaching staff and told them his sons were disappointing to him, he was ashamed of their performance on the field and he was taking them home, the patrolman said.

Sexton then grabbed his other son from the bench, "pinched and twisted" his hip and lifted him off the ground by his ankle, Mick said he was told by a witness.

Sexton walked off the field as he carried his son upside down by the ankle, causing the child's helmeted head to hit the ground "more than once," the complaint said.

He then threw the boy over a chain link fence that surrounds the field and the boy landed hard on the ground.

"It took everybody there by surprise," Mick said of the spectators at the field that day.
"It took them a second to realize this is really happening, this is real."

Mick said witnesses told him that after they realized what was going on, several parents rushed onto the field to confront the man. The criminal complaint said an onlooker yelled, "You can't do that to a child!" They said Sexton responded, "Mind your own f-ing business!"

Police said the man tried to leave the field with his four children but was prevented by onlookers who had moved their vehicles to block him and prevent him from leaving.

When police arrived, Sexton was standing with the triplets - the two boys and a girl - and another daughter who appeared to be slightly older, Mick said. Bruising was visible on one boy's legs, the patrolman said.
"The children were still visibly upset, emotional, crying, obviously scared to death," Mick said.

The officer said Sexton admitted to treating his two sons in such a manner but said he did not see why everyone was making such a big deal about it.

Mick said he asked some of the mothers at the field to take the man's children away so they wouldn't see their father arrested and to ensure their safety.

"The mama bears took good care of them, got them something to eat and to drink," Mick said. "I'm very proud of the way the community came together to take care of those kids."

The man was arrested at the field without incident and charged with two counts of domestic battery, misdemeanors. He was released on $20,000 bond Friday.

The children are in the custody of their mother, who was at work when the incident occurred, at their Hurricane home. Mick said the father was ordered to have no contact with the children until the charges are resolved and he is living elsewhere.]]> 2009-11-23T12:04:21Z darthchaosofrspw@yahoo.com Darth Chaos 173.80.105.237 wp_id=233986;date=2009-12-25 00:07:25-05:00 2009-12-25T05:07:25Z hrsexton@aol.com troyfromwv 173.80.113.2 wp_id=182291;date=2008-12-17 09:26:32-05:00 2008-12-17T14:26:32Z mcl9@amac.com Michelle 70.19.17.34 wp_id=182294;date=2008-12-17 11:12:36-05:00 2008-12-17T16:12:36Z geargab@gmail.com Bill McGuire 75.168.123.72 wp_id=182296;date=2008-12-17 11:22:07-05:00
Bill: What's even worse is that not even the leftie/alternative press is covering this. Part of the challenge I face when pitching stories is that there's been such an information black hole that people act like this is some kind of conspiracy theory. But the Congressional record and docs like this show the reality clear as day.]]> 2008-12-17T16:22:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=182298;date=2008-12-17 11:42:34-05:00 MediaMouse.org and I might try to do a story on it sometime in the next few weeks. It's sometimes hard to cover this stuff since we primarily do local stories, but I might be able swing it.]]> 2008-12-17T16:42:34Z b@mediamouse.org b 71.205.128.17 wp_id=182299;date=2008-12-17 11:50:41-05:00 2008-12-17T16:50:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=182300;date=2008-12-17 12:02:03-05:00
:-)

Thanks. Looking forward to more.]]> 2008-12-17T17:02:03Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 130.49.138.191 wp_id=182303;date=2008-12-17 13:06:02-05:00 2008-12-17T18:06:02Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=182308;date=2008-12-17 13:44:13-05:00 2008-12-17T18:44:13Z dylanpetrohilos@riseup.net dylan 76.100.225.226 wp_id=182315;date=2008-12-17 15:12:23-05:00 2008-12-17T20:12:23Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon becker 75.182.71.119 wp_id=182347;date=2008-12-17 22:20:10-05:00
If our movement learned how to do real grassroots lobbying (instead of leaving it to the yutzes at HSUS), maybe we'd stand a chance next time. But you shouldn't hate these people. You should envy them. it sucks, but they're very good at this.]]> 2008-12-18T03:20:10Z andy_squirrel@riseup.net Andy 68.100.212.238 wp_id=182392;date=2008-12-18 09:56:39-05:00 It just goes to show what a SAD, screwed up world we live in when it comes to people like us and the ALF who just want to do some good and bring some justice for the innocent in the world, and instead of waking up to the message that WE all need to wake up and applauding them they are arrested like the criminals that they are fighting against! SCARY just what tons of billions of dollars to toss around and buy this corp and that corp and industry off with can do.
I know we've historically had other legal injustices to fight to abolish before that we've ultimately succeeded at, like slavery, women's suffrage, and child labor, but it looks like fighting for justice and freedom for animals is going to be the HARDEST, LONGEST, and most violently opposed movement of them all, for many decades and generations to come, so I guess we just have to keep our chins up the best we can and keep fighting and spreading the word and banding together the best we can!]]> 2008-12-18T14:56:39Z antcheek@sbcglobal.net Lisamarie 68.89.172.124 wp_id=182396;date=2008-12-18 10:17:32-05:00
What is it you are saying is no big deal, the legislation, the documents, the tactics?

I think on all of those, however, I would disagree. But more to your point about corporations being better organized. While it is certainly true that animal groups really dropped the ball on fighting this legislation, that doesn't mean that's how they got the law passed. The truth is, they didn't have public support, they didn't have Congressional support... and they knew it. Tomorrow's post, Part 2, focuses specifically on this point. I hope you'll check it out and let me know if that changes your perception at all.]]> 2008-12-18T15:17:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=182398;date=2008-12-18 10:22:19-05:00 2008-12-18T15:22:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=182562;date=2008-12-20 01:38:08-05:00 2008-12-20T06:38:08Z mathomas@gmail.com Mat Thomas 75.18.188.232 wp_id=182391;date=2008-12-18 09:51:03-05:00
I have two thoughts about this - the more you can spread the word, the better. But personally I am so overwhelmed by the 8 million different blogs available out there I feel like I have about ten different personalities. I don't even remember all my passwords and user names at this point!

I see the importance of posting to lists that are NOT just animal-rights related, but I also think these blogs are important because I'm continually shocked by the number of activists I meet who don't grasp what's going on (politically speaking), who still freely joke about things that could be considered terrorism.

All I can say is you do a fantastic job, and if you can keep things straight in your head then go for it! :)]]> 2008-12-18T14:51:03Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 68.115.164.82 wp_id=182395;date=2008-12-18 10:12:17-05:00
You make a really important point about the number of activists who don't know what's going on. That's something I'm trying to keep front and center in my head. I started this blog to reach a very wide audience, not just activists. To an extent, I think that has been succesful. It certainly has led to many, many speaking events at venues like bar associations and law schools. With the information overload you noted, though, it has got me thinking a lot more about audience. I think that's what is separating the blogs/websites/media that is succeeding right now from the rest: they really know their audience.

I haven't given up on taking these issues to a much wider audience, of course. That's still paramount. But my day-to-day priority is keeping you all informed. That may sound like a pretty silly revelation, but it really has helped focus my vision for all of this.

Anyone else have thoughts on trying to strike some kind of balance between the two? Between informing sympathetic activist types, and reaching non-activist (but potentially sympathetic) folks?]]> 2008-12-18T15:12:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=182403;date=2008-12-18 12:02:48-05:00 I don't have any grand ideas about striking the balance, but I do agree that there's a need to reach out to both the mainstream and the activists. Information like what you provide here has the potential to create more activists and to change public opinion. (Except for in cases like this woman--"Many of the radical animal rights people are domestic terroists and should be monitored. They are more dangerous to our country than a few Arab-Americans"--who really doesn't like the Rescind the AETA idea Alex Hershaft posted on Change.org; this guy who thinks that "terrorist acts of animal rights activists" warrant the death penalty: http://www.change.org/ideas/vi...; and this defender of animal research, who wants Obama to "Classify PeTA and ALF as domestic terrorists and eliminate them": http://www.change.org/ideas/vi...)
We have a looong way to go still.]]> 2008-12-18T17:02:48Z mail@stephanieernst.com Stephanie E. 99.179.54.151 wp_id=182405;date=2008-12-18 12:03:36-05:00 2008-12-18T17:03:36Z mail@stephanieernst.com Stephanie E. 99.179.54.151 wp_id=182635;date=2008-12-21 02:16:28-05:00
Of course all that to say, it may be different with a specific cause in mind, and I'm not against experimentation. But people speak so lovingly of Twitter, I feel it's really necessary to point out how alienating and bizarre it can be. People say things like, "We have to catch up with technology." Um, how about it serve what we're doing instead? I'm not here to compete with a machine.]]> 2008-12-21T07:16:28Z brittany.s.shoot@gmail.com b 80.167.110.52 wp_id=182664;date=2008-12-21 10:18:03-05:00 I think your comment about "there's no weight of words on Twitter" really sums up my concerns with it as well. I think that, as a culture, we're confusing mass amounts of information with intimacy. The optimist in me, though, hopes that as some mediums become more and more extremely tailored (to brevity and speed, like Twitter) that other, older forms will flourish for their own strengths (as a writer, I hope that means more respect for long-form journalism and books, because I don't think new web technology can ever substitute for them).]]> 2008-12-21T15:18:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.5.164.191 wp_id=185495;date=2009-01-05 17:02:15-05:00 http://www.twitip.com/make-a-t.../

With that said, I still haven't gotten started . . .]]> 2009-01-05T22:02:15Z mary@marymartin.net Mary Martin 76.110.213.213 wp_id=185812;date=2009-01-07 11:24:06-05:00 2009-01-07T16:24:06Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=182513;date=2008-12-19 08:32:13-05:00 The AEPC might be proud of themselves for achieving what they set out to but in the process they wreaked shame upon an entire nation.
Non-violent civil disobedience is not terrorism and never will be; sadly, given the law of unexpected consequences the AEPC in their actions may well be helping to validate real terrorism...]]> 2008-12-19T13:32:13Z gideon@dogmad.com Dog Stuff 86.161.118.34 wp_id=182700;date=2008-12-22 00:43:23-05:00
Can you find a cached copy of their site, and do a screen shot?

It should be cached for a while.

Interesting that they took it down after your first post. I guess they're reading.

Hi, all!]]> 2008-12-22T05:43:23Z sue@episcoveg.com Sue 99.144.161.126 wp_id=182736;date=2008-12-22 15:26:30-05:00
Don't they have anything better to do? Dollars at work!

Watch out, someone here might save a puppy!

This shit is like a bad Disney movie sometimes.]]> 2008-12-22T20:26:30Z animalia_libero@yahoo.com Animalia_Libero 130.49.138.191 wp_id=183127;date=2008-12-24 13:16:28-05:00
"California Commission Approves Damaging Transmission Line"

Get to it, ELF!]]> 2008-12-24T18:16:28Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.68 wp_id=183136;date=2008-12-24 14:14:45-05:00 "The bastion of democracy - America - should have better control of it’s legal procedures than this."

Where are you living? The US is controlled by corporations. Why is this surprising to anyone? The whole role of the State is to oppress people. Without its oppression and control, it wouldn't be able to go on.

"The AEPC might be proud of themselves for achieving what they set out to but in the process they wreaked shame upon an entire nation."

The very concept of a nation should wreak shame upon any human being. The ideology of nationalism is an embarrassment to the human species. We should be speaking in terms of shame to this species. This culture is destroying the Earth and enslaving the living beings upon it, and we somehow give a surprised response when they oppress those who are defending it? The law protects those who are destroying the Earth, its very purpose is to keep business as usual running, it's not a surprise when laws such as these that are there to stifle dissent and resistance even more so come up. Those in power aren't just going to say "ok" to people who aren't going along with this systems exploitation of living beings nor its genocide, it's going to do all it can to destroy them.

Those who respond to what this culture is doing are going to have to face up to the fact that their actions are always going to be illegal. Their not just going to be given a key to open up the places to liberate the animals, their not just going to be given a slap on the wrist for stopping business' from torturing living beings, and their not just going to let it go when someone is taking action against the ecocide. They will do all they can to stop anyone from taking any action against this systems progress. It is time that people stop looking at this all with such shock as if its all so new that the government is inherently oppressive. If we open our eyes, we can see that this is nothing new. If we stop pretending that it's shocking that the government is not on our side, that the corporations are not on our side, maybe we can finally start to respond appropriately to what this culture is doing to us instead of acting all shocked when the predictable happens.]]> 2008-12-24T19:14:45Z forager@anonymous.disqus.net Forager 72.24.151.198 wp_id=183598;date=2008-12-26 23:03:18-05:00
Please, why don't you people go look up the definition of terrorist under the Patriot Act. My god, you people are losing normal, moderate people like me. At this point I laugh at your inane eco nonsense. The whole movement has lost credibility with intelligent logical people.

It's embarrassing really.]]> 2008-12-27T04:03:18Z kb_720@hotmail.com ShiftyDevil 98.111.86.120 wp_id=184237;date=2008-12-30 13:55:50-05:00 2008-12-30T18:55:50Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=184299;date=2008-12-30 21:37:50-05:00 2008-12-31T02:37:50Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 24.183.97.241 wp_id=187566;date=2009-01-13 17:43:43-05:00 10 billion animals die every year at the hands of humans, and those opposed to this atrocity have fought against it without killing or seriously injuring even ONE person. Do you think that happens by accident? Does that REALLY sound like a terrorist organization to you?]]> 2009-01-13T22:43:43Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.25.101 wp_id=184680;date=2009-01-01 19:12:40-05:00 2009-01-02T00:12:40Z devourtherich@gmail.com Carlos 68.39.250.84 wp_id=184897;date=2009-01-02 22:47:35-05:00 2009-01-03T03:47:35Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=185255;date=2009-01-04 17:25:25-05:00
"It’s a benefit for Green Scare political prisoners Daniel McGowan, Jeff Free Luers, and Eric McDavid."

We at least attempt to see the wider picture.]]> 2009-01-04T22:25:25Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=185310;date=2009-01-04 22:52:03-05:00 2009-01-05T03:52:03Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=185415;date=2009-01-05 09:29:17-05:00 First, as clarification, these prisoners are not all convicted arsonists. Second, as you are aware the government is singling out environmental and animal rights activists for "terrorism enhancements," disproportionate sentences, etc. The full weight of the government is being brought down on these activists for political purposes... unlike non-political criminals. I think that is worthy of a benefit.]]> 2009-01-05T14:29:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=186031;date=2009-01-08 10:29:30-05:00 2009-01-08T15:29:30Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.138.191 wp_id=186232;date=2009-01-09 10:07:49-05:00
Eric Mcdavid did not care who got hurt in his plans to further his political view, which makes him a terrorist and prison is where he belongs.]]> 2009-01-09T15:07:49Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=186234;date=2009-01-09 10:25:25-05:00
If you think that talking about illegal tactics and "planning" illegal activity warrants going to prison as a terrorist, shouldn't Anna be in prison for the same thing?]]> 2009-01-09T15:25:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=186240;date=2009-01-09 11:11:05-05:00 2009-01-09T16:11:05Z theruggedcollectivist@riseup.net james 171.159.64.10 wp_id=186245;date=2009-01-09 11:45:55-05:00
The people who didn't care about life or health or the future were the people who built the dam. All they cared about was money. People who put money above all else are the *real* terrorists. They do an immeasurable amount of legal harm every day, and are praised and rewarded for it.

And Anna was more than just a snitch, because she fucked with a good man's heart. I don't know if there is a word for that kind of woman, but there are plenty of adjectives.

(I hate the fact that I almost didn't post this comment because I'm afraid of who might read it. That means they've got me in prison, too.

So if you are reading this and you have some pathetic low-level government job trolling for online 'terrorists,' for the love of god, QUIT YOUR JOB and start working for life, not the machine.)]]> 2009-01-09T16:45:55Z cwhite12@hughes.net Judah 67.142.161.22 wp_id=186266;date=2009-01-09 14:05:13-05:00 2009-01-09T19:05:13Z stretch@anonymous.disqus.net Stretch 12.178.42.4 wp_id=186271;date=2009-01-09 14:46:51-05:00 2009-01-09T19:46:51Z jake.i.martinez@gmail.com jake 71.236.230.215 wp_id=186272;date=2009-01-09 14:47:37-05:00 2009-01-09T19:47:37Z jake.i.martinez@gmail.com jake 71.236.230.215 wp_id=186274;date=2009-01-09 15:38:28-05:00
It's just a dam. It's not like we're talking about killing anyone. Who cares if we lose a few dams? Well, except the fish and other animals (including humans) who depend upon the free flow of water. They would much appreciate the removal of dams.]]> 2009-01-09T20:38:28Z reid9001@gmail.com Will 99.249.220.73 wp_id=186298;date=2009-01-09 17:31:05-05:00 2009-01-09T22:31:05Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=186302;date=2009-01-09 18:32:07-05:00
Same old bullshit argument. By your definition, every person in power is a terrorist (which I'm not going to disagree with), funny how you can't take it to that level though.

It's alright for the US government to go and kill millions of Iraqi's to steal their oil but when someone supposedly THINKS (thinks being keyword there, as that is what he is accused of and convicted of, thinking of blowing up a dam, it's not they were all there at the dam with explosives in hand) of blowing up a dam for the sake of liberating the rivers that dams are killing then it's all wrong.

"Did she in some way also take away his ability to say NO, blowing up dams is wrong??"

She did all she could to convince all of them to do it. As Potter said: "'Anna' provided the group with bomb-making recipes; at times financed their transportation, food and housing; strung along McDavid, who had the hopes of a romantic relationship; and poked and prodded the group into action." She did all she could to make sure no one would change their mind. And as the lawyer said, that's entrapment, which is against the law.

It is the fault of the government though, and this entire fucking civilization for putting up the dams in the first place and then for not removing them. People shouldn't have to take action to save the Earth, because the Earth shouldn't be being destroyed, there shouldn't be a system in place which is ecocidal. That's the problem with all of this. And what's even more stupid is that when the Earth is being killed that people such as yourself act as if we should just sit on our ass and watch TV while the world burns, pretending everything is fine while everyday it becomes worst.]]> 2009-01-09T23:32:07Z forager@anonymous.disqus.net Forager 69.92.189.206 wp_id=186326;date=2009-01-09 20:27:09-05:00
Hey, Will, did you see this?
http://www.garstangcourier.co....
Haha, "living hell." Please. Sounds a lot like the typical junior high school experience for a nerd :)]]> 2009-01-10T01:27:09Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=187047;date=2009-01-12 14:12:41-05:00
(For the record, they do regain *a little* of it...but they are not entirely redeemed)

And at the same time, Joe continues to push peoples' buttons and say stupid shit. I wish he would give us his badge number or business card already.]]> 2009-01-12T19:12:41Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net lantz. 24.21.198.222 wp_id=187105;date=2009-01-12 17:19:19-05:00
Mcdavid is not the innocent boy scout he is made out to be. Anna may have provided money and materials but Mcdavid provided the targets. He considered bystanders " collateral damage" and threatened to kill Anna with a knife if he found out she was FBI.]]> 2009-01-12T22:19:19Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=187458;date=2009-01-13 12:00:04-05:00
And the famous knife incident you mention had quite a few holes poked in it by the defense (which even made it into that Elle article, if I recall."]]> 2009-01-13T17:00:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=187473;date=2009-01-13 12:34:38-05:00
"Conspiracy" is a fancy term for thoughtcrime. Entrapment is a better term to become acquainted with.]]> 2009-01-13T17:34:38Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net lantz. 24.21.198.222 wp_id=190896;date=2009-01-24 21:27:03-05:00
America will be a free country again someday without the likes of chertoff whom is a dual citizen of israel and America, and the shameful cowards of the fbi, who have nothing better to do than lead Americans to break the law of the land. What the hell, the most powerful leaders, the federal politicians, are dishonest, so why not every other part of the federal government?

What made America greatest of all nations was the honesty that prevailed at EVERY level of American society, federal and state...remember that.]]> 2009-01-25T02:27:03Z mr_marine_and_scholar@anonymous.disqus.net Mr. Marine and Scholar 72.95.105.195 wp_id=222147;date=2009-06-05 10:00:59-04:00 2009-06-05T14:00:59Z marley_2001_17233@yahoo.com Laney 68.52.255.142 wp_id=222377;date=2009-06-09 15:52:51-04:00
Wrong. A conspiracy is when 2 or more people work together to commit a crime. For example, I hire you to kill someone. You do so. We have conspired in execution of that crime. I am just as guilty as you.

Again, I'm not saying anything about this particular case. The charges may be a bunch of BS. But to entirely dismiss the crime of conspiracy as a way for the "man" to keep you down is just childish.]]> 2009-06-09T19:52:51Z gnuthlia@comcast.net Miles 69.7.198.11 wp_id=222385;date=2009-06-09 17:38:19-04:00 That's simply not true. With a conspiracy charge, the government is arguing that two or more people conspired to engage in a criminal activity at some point in future, and that some steps towards that end had been taken (to make a very complicated and confusing explanation as simple as possible). In this case, those steps were no more than talking about the possibility of direct action.]]> 2009-06-09T21:38:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=187045;date=2009-01-12 14:09:07-05:00 2009-01-12T19:09:07Z jill@anonymous.disqus.net Jill 24.21.136.246 wp_id=187058;date=2009-01-12 14:50:54-05:00 2009-01-12T19:50:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=187488;date=2009-01-13 13:23:44-05:00 2009-01-13T18:23:44Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=187504;date=2009-01-13 14:02:22-05:00 2009-01-13T19:02:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=187512;date=2009-01-13 14:55:54-05:00
Today, you can type in your zip code and the govenment has posted each sex offenders' (child molester or rapist, etc.) address and picture on the web. I don't understand the double standard of why the government is immune by acting in the public interest and the SHAC7 isn't.]]> 2009-01-13T19:55:54Z christine@animalattorney.com Christine 67.161.66.248 wp_id=187518;date=2009-01-13 15:12:50-05:00 2009-01-13T20:12:50Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=187546;date=2009-01-13 16:33:37-05:00 I can't believe what "the law" gets away with sometimes. They manage to stretch the law to incriminate whomever they want and manage to put holes in it to allow animal cruelty (like the farm animals not being included in welfare laws deal).

Thanks for the entry.]]> 2009-01-13T21:33:37Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.138.191 wp_id=187552;date=2009-01-13 16:55:17-05:00 If it's children that you're really worried about there are way larger threats out there than animal rights activists.]]> 2009-01-13T21:55:17Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.25.101 wp_id=187590;date=2009-01-13 18:52:00-05:00 2009-01-13T23:52:00Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=187671;date=2009-01-13 23:02:08-05:00 2009-01-14T04:02:08Z get@real.com anonymous 98.140.79.162 wp_id=187674;date=2009-01-13 23:16:19-05:00 2009-01-14T04:16:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.82.14 wp_id=187856;date=2009-01-14 08:54:39-05:00
I'm surprised the brainiacs over at the Center For Consumer Freedom haven't drawn this brilliantly logical conclusion as well.]]> 2009-01-14T13:54:39Z matt@anonymous.disqus.net Matt 64.52.117.170 wp_id=187858;date=2009-01-14 08:57:10-05:00 2009-01-14T13:57:10Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.228 wp_id=187860;date=2009-01-14 09:08:52-05:00 2009-01-14T14:08:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=187918;date=2009-01-14 12:23:27-05:00 2009-01-14T17:23:27Z k_w@anonymous.disqus.net K. W. 153.90.112.31 wp_id=187927;date=2009-01-14 12:57:30-05:00 2009-01-14T17:57:30Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.138.191 wp_id=187953;date=2009-01-14 14:09:58-05:00 2009-01-14T19:09:58Z jbsuconik@aol.com Jack suconik 205.188.117.70 wp_id=187957;date=2009-01-14 14:30:39-05:00 2009-01-14T19:30:39Z badgie523@gmail.com Megan 216.70.183.99 wp_id=187975;date=2009-01-14 15:38:56-05:00 2009-01-14T20:38:56Z devourtherich@gmail.com DevourTheRich 68.39.250.84 wp_id=188022;date=2009-01-14 18:39:04-05:00 2009-01-14T23:39:04Z lol@anonymous.disqus.net lol 216.254.161.90 wp_id=188119;date=2009-01-15 00:15:19-05:00 2009-01-15T05:15:19Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=189703;date=2009-01-19 10:36:53-05:00
Anyway...,

I'm sure everyone knows this, but last year FBI officials actually used the line of reasoning in the comic to justify going undercover to vegan potlucks. I would like to think that justification is really just a bull shit excuse to be whores for corporations who are afraid vegans will convince people to eat less of their crap.

The alternative view, that FBI agents are that incompetent is too scarey to accept.]]> 2009-01-19T15:36:53Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=224196;date=2009-07-06 01:34:57-04:00 Anyone can eat hummus]]> 2009-07-06T05:34:57Z kat@anonymous.disqus.net Kat 66.214.164.186 wp_id=188775;date=2009-01-16 11:35:58-05:00 2009-01-16T16:35:58Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.138.191 wp_id=188777;date=2009-01-16 11:38:26-05:00 2009-01-16T16:38:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=188808;date=2009-01-16 12:54:52-05:00
It's 8 below zero right now here in Minneapolis, by the way. It's about noon.

How long are you going to be in the Twin Cities?]]> 2009-01-16T17:54:52Z haloka@riseup.net haloka 97.116.64.21 wp_id=188810;date=2009-01-16 12:59:57-05:00
It looks like I'll be getting in the day before the event and leaving early Friday morning...

There may be another event on Wed, but that's up in the air still.]]> 2009-01-16T17:59:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=189322;date=2009-01-17 21:13:58-05:00

During the searches a number of items were recovered, some of which included:

Materials used in creating “sleeping dragons” (pvc pipe, chicken wire, duct tape)
Large amounts of urine (including 3 – 5 gallon buckets of urine)
Wrist Rockets
Assorted edged weapons including a machete, hatchet and several throwing knives
Gas mask and filter

Empty glass bottles
Rags
Flammable liquids

Homemade Caltrops (devises used to disable buses in roads)

Metal pipes
Axes
Bolt cutters
Sledge hammers

Old tires (for burning)

Repelling equipment

Kryptonite locks
Empty plastic buckets cut and made into shields
Material for protective padding
An army helmet]]> 2009-01-18T02:13:58Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=189325;date=2009-01-17 21:21:31-05:00 Do you ever try to look further than whatever B.S. is in police soundbites? Here's an explanation from the National Lawyer's Guild about the "buckets of urine" myth:

"Two buckets contain grey water and were being used to flush toilets, to conserve water, in the upstairs bathroom. Both were identified in the inventory as “unidentified liquid.” The third bucket, as shown by inventory sheets, was seized from illegal apartment over a garage in the rear. This apartment has been occupied for several years by a person unconnected to the house occupants or the RNC. No bathroom was in the illegal apartment and urine was collected in a bucket. This was listed as “unidentified yellow liquid” in the inventory sheets."

As for the other items... I have nearly all of them in my home, including the Kryptonite bike locks, as I'm sure most of the homeowners reading this blog do. Since when do rags and flammable liquids make someone a terrorist? Give me a break.]]> 2009-01-18T02:21:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.63.72.203 wp_id=189854;date=2009-01-19 22:40:26-05:00 It is great to have you coming back to Minnesota. There should be lots to talk about.

- Bill]]> 2009-01-20T03:40:26Z geargab@gmail.com Bill M. 75.168.113.117 wp_id=190005;date=2009-01-20 10:34:01-05:00 2009-01-20T15:34:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.114.133.247 wp_id=191637;date=2009-01-27 13:09:54-05:00
It'll be warmer than that, but certainly not warm.

I'm looking forward to hearing you speak!]]> 2009-01-27T18:09:54Z modniche@gmail.com nicole 66.41.77.187 wp_id=191641;date=2009-01-27 13:24:12-05:00 2009-01-27T18:24:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=196459;date=2009-02-10 22:51:41-05:00
"And watch out Minneapolis, that might have been a bad streak but I have a tendency of bringing terrible weather with me whenever I travel."

I actually hope you do bring some snow because its looking really grey.]]> 2009-02-11T03:51:41Z nicoacarp@mac.com Nicola 24.118.60.38 wp_id=189780;date=2009-01-19 16:28:59-05:00 2009-01-19T21:28:59Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=189990;date=2009-01-20 09:38:10-05:00
Perhaps there needs to be a TV show about activists for animals in laboratories and farms showing that they are heroes, not terrorists.

But, no one would take that on would they? They'd have to blame someone in their own country for the cruelty. Very sad indeed.]]> 2009-01-20T14:38:10Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.138.191 wp_id=191949;date=2009-01-28 11:54:54-05:00 2009-01-28T16:54:54Z mattdc@gmail.com Matt P 65.199.13.42 wp_id=191957;date=2009-01-28 12:30:19-05:00 2009-01-28T17:30:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.223.39 wp_id=222104;date=2009-06-04 17:50:09-04:00 2009-06-04T21:50:09Z ljb788@mail.usask.ca Lesley 142.165.140.11 wp_id=190244;date=2009-01-21 11:11:47-05:00
http://arphilosophy.blogspot.c...
http://www.google.com/hostedne...]]> 2009-01-21T16:11:47Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.138.191 wp_id=190245;date=2009-01-21 11:14:36-05:00 While change has to start somewhere I just don't think this is it. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I just expect it to get worse before the situation gets better at this point.]]> 2009-01-21T16:14:36Z jimmy@fuckgas.org jimmy 74.130.213.116 wp_id=190249;date=2009-01-21 11:42:45-05:00 2009-01-21T16:42:45Z laura@anonymous.disqus.net Laura 129.107.51.33 wp_id=190280;date=2009-01-21 16:03:18-05:00 I know he voted for the patriot act.]]> 2009-01-21T21:03:18Z prideandunity@hotmail.com ComradeBlack 24.69.106.204 wp_id=190281;date=2009-01-21 16:06:12-05:00 2009-01-21T21:06:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=190295;date=2009-01-21 17:35:04-05:00
Again, there's "hope"...]]> 2009-01-21T22:35:04Z devourtherich@gmail.com Carlos 68.39.250.84 wp_id=190298;date=2009-01-21 17:57:26-05:00 2009-01-21T22:57:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=190334;date=2009-01-21 22:16:53-05:00 2009-01-22T03:16:53Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 75.182.71.119 wp_id=190349;date=2009-01-21 23:44:13-05:00 2009-01-22T04:44:13Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.162.228 wp_id=190353;date=2009-01-21 23:56:21-05:00 2009-01-22T04:56:21Z micahnaziri@gmail.com Micah 71.64.144.100 wp_id=190659;date=2009-01-23 09:31:13-05:00
Brandon's argument about the CCF's motives is reasonable; however, I do believe that Mr. Sunstein does represent a distinct and forceful challenge to the industries that the CCF advocates for.]]> 2009-01-23T14:31:13Z alexmelonas@msn.com Alex 66.107.85.130 wp_id=190842;date=2009-01-24 11:55:47-05:00
I say "not much" as opposed to "nothing" because just yesterday he signed a bill to end the ban on funds that go to abortion clinics, doctors, etc. Which is definitely a good thing. However, we still have at least another 4 years of this person. All the good stuff happens in the first few weeks. Get the vaseline ready, folks; it's only a matter of time before we get screwed.

It's important to note that Obama wants less troops in Iraq but more in Afghanistan. He is pro-Free Trade. He is a politician, a capitalist, a religious zealot and an imperialist. The very definition of his position is to wield power over american citizens, and whomever else can fall prey to united state imperialism.

There can be no real freedom under The State, and no peace under capitalism. The one positive thing about the Bush administration is that it radicalized a lot of people. One thing I see with Obama is that some radical folks think that the battle is done, that there is nothing left to fight for, because they have fallen for all this hope/change bullshit. Don't kid yourself. Obama isn't going to end hunger and poverty, he isn't going to free political prisoners, he isn't going to end the war-mongering tradition of this country, he isn't going to save the crumbling economy that is based on the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. He will bring no real peace and justice to the country or the world.

And amidst all this, he sure isn't going to give a fuck about someone who set fire to an SUV or "conspired" to blow up a dam. He's not even going to give a fuck about the RNC8, who organized protests against his opponents, and who are currently being charged with bogus crimes with a terrorism enhancement on top of them. By the way, they didn't even go to the RNC to protest, they merely organized an infrastructure for those who were going. god bless america, indeed.

The choice between a black turd, a white turd and a female turd isn't any fucking choice at all. Liberate yourselves before you can liberate anyone or anything else.

(A)(E)
- lantz.]]> 2009-01-24T16:55:47Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 24.21.198.222 wp_id=193977;date=2009-02-03 12:16:18-05:00 2009-02-03T17:16:18Z davidlissfan@yahoo.com Michael 65.19.56.200 wp_id=190442;date=2009-01-22 10:27:36-05:00 2009-01-22T15:27:36Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.138.191 wp_id=190480;date=2009-01-22 13:41:01-05:00 2009-01-22T18:41:01Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 68.115.164.82 wp_id=190489;date=2009-01-22 14:59:26-05:00 I'd say that sounds a hell of a lot more like "a threat for purposes of compelling a person to do an act against his or her will, or for purposes of taking the person’s money or property" than defending animals does!]]> 2009-01-22T19:59:26Z thesnakegoddess@yahoo.com Bethany 138.9.29.82 wp_id=190500;date=2009-01-22 15:55:00-05:00

Next time Fox News reports on a bank robbery, I want Rupert Murdoch in jail for conspiracy to rob a bank. This is ridiculous.]]> 2009-01-22T20:55:00Z dsmith10@pratt.edu Dylan 65.51.58.1 wp_id=190509;date=2009-01-22 16:59:45-05:00 Why is this so hard to understand?]]> 2009-01-22T21:59:45Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=190547;date=2009-01-22 20:19:22-05:00 2009-01-23T01:19:22Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 98.218.23.15 wp_id=190607;date=2009-01-23 03:58:20-05:00 2009-01-23T08:58:20Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 120.16.51.27 wp_id=190657;date=2009-01-23 09:18:10-05:00
"Calling a political case like this “blackmail” is like, to use a U.S. example, calling the lunch counter civil disobedience of the civil rights movement “blackmail.” The threat of that movement was explicit: continue discriminating against black people, and we’ll continue disrupting your business. Stop discriminating, and we’ll stop protesting. Hasn’t every social movement operated at that basic level of “blackmail”?"

Extending your logic Joe, the preceding was a form of "terrorism," too? The label "terrorism" here is blatant question begging. Extending your logic further, it seems reasonable to call abstinence-only sexual education proponents "terrorists" given their claims that sex necessarily leads to X, Y, and Z -- they "terrorize" to achieve their objective. "Using fear" as you call it is question begging in itself: Only if we accept the undefended premise that threatening to disrupt a business and affect profit is a "fear tactic" tantamount to "terrorism" does your challenge make any sense.

What you need to do Joe is re-define the word "terrorist" to include political messaging and civil disobedience meant to cause trepidation and concern in the minds of oppressors. However, this line of reasoning, I think, will necessarily include political messages that you wouldn't want to label "terrorism."]]> 2009-01-23T14:18:10Z alexmelonas@msn.com Alex 66.107.85.130 wp_id=190676;date=2009-01-23 12:20:28-05:00
Then there are the "we're reporting you to the authorities" people as well. Shouldn't they be included? They are inciting fear and terror and threatening.

You see, for talking, the logic must apply to everyone if it is to make any sense. It doesn't so it doesn't make sense.]]> 2009-01-23T17:20:28Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.138.191 wp_id=190682;date=2009-01-23 12:51:19-05:00
Actions is always more effective than words in the short term]]> 2009-01-23T17:51:19Z sarah_j_cummins@gmx.com Sarah 82.43.42.66 wp_id=190688;date=2009-01-23 14:03:42-05:00
The main issue is that animal enterprises have special protections that other businesses and other citizens don't have. That's not fair, just, or moral.]]> 2009-01-23T19:03:42Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=190719;date=2009-01-23 19:38:09-05:00 2009-01-24T00:38:09Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=190838;date=2009-01-24 11:21:03-05:00
I am really optimistic that things will begin to change now that we have a new President in office....]]> 2009-01-24T16:21:03Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=190920;date=2009-01-25 00:39:03-05:00 And it's not like Obama voted to legalize warrantless wiretapping or anything...]]> 2009-01-25T05:39:03Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 71.70.218.144 wp_id=190921;date=2009-01-25 00:46:53-05:00 2009-01-25T05:46:53Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 120.17.183.245 wp_id=191084;date=2009-01-25 16:18:30-05:00 2009-01-25T21:18:30Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=191090;date=2009-01-25 16:31:57-05:00 2009-01-25T21:31:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 138.88.149.245 wp_id=191160;date=2009-01-25 22:26:40-05:00 2009-01-26T03:26:40Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=191194;date=2009-01-26 00:45:04-05:00 2009-01-26T05:45:04Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 120.16.90.85 wp_id=191379;date=2009-01-26 15:44:46-05:00 http://yro.slashdot.org/articl...

"On 22 January 2009, Kent Police seized an Indymedia server hosted by Manchester-based colocation facility UK Grid and run by the alternative news platform Indymedia UK. The server was taken in relation to comments on an article regarding the convictions in the recent Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty (SHAC) trial. Seven activists were sentenced to a total of 50 years in prison."]]> 2009-01-26T20:44:46Z billygoatbiker@gmail.com bill 207.188.225.38 wp_id=193061;date=2009-01-31 20:48:52-05:00 2009-02-01T01:48:52Z tom@anonymous.disqus.net Tom 76.22.68.34 wp_id=195261;date=2009-02-06 21:12:51-05:00 2009-02-07T02:12:51Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com whatever 98.233.34.13 wp_id=191326;date=2009-01-26 11:06:14-05:00 I hope he dedicates himself to bringing down CCF.]]> 2009-01-26T16:06:14Z eric@ananimalfriendlylife.com Eric 68.160.130.169 wp_id=191376;date=2009-01-26 15:35:30-05:00 2009-01-26T20:35:30Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 71.191.123.90 wp_id=191392;date=2009-01-26 16:53:56-05:00 2009-01-26T21:53:56Z opial.rhine@gmail.com Juniper 98.26.161.74 wp_id=191410;date=2009-01-26 18:06:20-05:00
i remember really loving this interview years ago:
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/...]]> 2009-01-26T23:06:20Z brian@anonymous.disqus.net brian 24.242.239.245 wp_id=191565;date=2009-01-27 06:56:26-05:00 2009-01-27T11:56:26Z terrymunger@delta.edu Anonymous 99.53.157.0 wp_id=191598;date=2009-01-27 09:36:21-05:00 If David Berman is reading, this I wish to tell you that you hold no responsibility for your father's evil. And it should not be on your shoudlers to fix his wrongs. You are a person like any other and you exist on your own merits.
The good that you do is good, that is all, it is not good to counter the evil of the man who raised you.
It is just good.
And the evil that your fatehr does is his evil, not yours.
Because if you are somehow meant to counter his acts, then your task becomes too daunting.
It is hard to go against one's father and to recognize what you recognize, and at least in my eyes you are already a hero for that alone.
If you are ever in Toronto you will be welcome within the animal rights community.
Stay the course. Do what you love. Your father is alone responsible for his actions.]]> 2009-01-27T14:36:21Z vegantoine@yahoo.ca Antoine 65.94.158.80 wp_id=191612;date=2009-01-27 10:56:07-05:00 It is just good. And the evil that your fatehr does is his evil, not yours."

Very well said, Antoine.]]> 2009-01-27T15:56:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=192237;date=2009-01-29 09:42:22-05:00 http://www.motherjones.com/was...]]> 2009-01-29T14:42:22Z veganforlife@sbcglobal.net Mark Hawthorne 12.4.26.248 wp_id=192361;date=2009-01-29 21:52:48-05:00 www.petakillsanimals.com is spot on about PETA's hypocrisy.]]> 2009-01-30T02:52:48Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=192389;date=2009-01-30 00:01:50-05:00 Start here for those to whom this is new: http://www.peta.org/forums/top...]]> 2009-01-30T05:01:50Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=194320;date=2009-02-04 11:31:18-05:00 2009-02-04T16:31:18Z sandrazz@mchsi.com Netanya 12.201.37.233 wp_id=198601;date=2009-02-16 17:20:11-05:00 This story is so unbelievable, especially since I've been a huge fan for ten years. It shows just how close these "evil" people are to people we know and love. I recommend Berman's book Actual Air, to everyone. It is a good example of Berman's talent as a writer, and how he might prove a more able muckraker/etc. than we've seen before.]]> 2009-02-16T22:20:11Z mtuma12@gmail.com anon 64.122.134.171 wp_id=191962;date=2009-01-28 12:53:54-05:00 *sarcasm*]]> 2009-01-28T17:53:54Z the_cruz@hotmail.com puerto 75.175.42.108 wp_id=191970;date=2009-01-28 13:11:24-05:00 2009-01-28T18:11:24Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.138.191 wp_id=192011;date=2009-01-28 16:04:59-05:00 "Pretty rotten thing that happened in Mumbai, huh?"
Clearly he's torn up about it.
He spelled Ellen DeGeneres' name wrong, too.]]> 2009-01-28T21:04:59Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=192014;date=2009-01-28 16:19:04-05:00 2009-01-28T21:19:04Z propaganarchy@hotmail.com Deric 68.9.28.128 wp_id=192052;date=2009-01-28 18:57:18-05:00 And I love his smooth, logical transition: "Thank God, it couldn't happen here. Could it?"

Um, I have an easier time seeing nuts like Pat Boone doing something like that than the opponents of Prop 8.]]> 2009-01-28T23:57:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.223.39 wp_id=192248;date=2009-01-29 11:06:45-05:00 2009-01-29T16:06:45Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.144.233.41 wp_id=192273;date=2009-01-29 14:58:50-05:00
I never had designs on getting married, actually, til I was told I couldn't.

Possibly the scariest thing is that anyone would LISTEN to Pat Boone on matters other than bad 1950's pop music.

Deric, I agree: queer vegan environmentalists! Shit, I must be some freaking terrorist. :) It's gotta be those vegan brownies. Mainstream Americans just don't MAKE things like that!]]> 2009-01-29T19:58:50Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 68.115.164.82 wp_id=207067;date=2009-03-14 00:05:47-04:00 This debate is between a union leadler (Gilchrist had been spying on the union) and a right wing nutter knows all about Jihadism
http://video.google.com/videop...]]> 2009-03-14T04:05:47Z poo1951@xtra.co.nz Mark 219.89.39.211 wp_id=192561;date=2009-01-30 11:23:55-05:00
My favorite part of the proposed legislation was that it'd be illegal for people to "annoy" animal exploiters.]]> 2009-01-30T16:23:55Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=192562;date=2009-01-30 11:31:16-05:00
(For folks that don't know, Edythe London is an animal researcher in CA who had her house flooded by the Animal Liberation Front, and the act was labeled "terrorism." More here: http://www.animalliberationpre...)]]> 2009-01-30T16:31:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=193605;date=2009-02-02 10:37:18-05:00 2009-02-02T15:37:18Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.160.192 wp_id=193632;date=2009-02-02 12:38:42-05:00 2009-02-02T17:38:42Z plant_murderer@live.com Danielle 66.210.74.161 wp_id=193746;date=2009-02-02 20:39:18-05:00 2009-02-03T01:39:18Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=193767;date=2009-02-02 21:59:06-05:00 2009-02-03T02:59:06Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.5.188.248 wp_id=193944;date=2009-02-03 10:10:15-05:00
Glad you mention rape/murder, though. A rapist/murderer should be punished because he infringed on someone else's right to live their life in peace, namely his victim. Much like you infringe on the animals' rights to live their lives in peace. I'm not sure why the rapist/murderer should be punished and you shouldn't, except that our laws have not yet caught up with what is morally right. Much like rape victims were once blamed for being raped but then the laws began to catch up with morality and blame the true criminal.]]> 2009-02-03T15:10:15Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=193973;date=2009-02-03 12:05:16-05:00
So lets say animals get rights some day, does that mean we have to arrest a coyote for killing a rabbit? What about all the insects killed in the production of soybeans, shouldn't you be concerned for them as well?]]> 2009-02-03T17:05:16Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=193980;date=2009-02-03 12:26:02-05:00 http://www.akpress.org/2006/it...) was beautifully written. It also gave real insight into his actions at the car dealership. Everyone should check it out. Jeff is a REAL hero....]]> 2009-02-03T17:26:02Z srhoustn@vt.edu Sara 98.183.229.127 wp_id=194108;date=2009-02-03 21:37:15-05:00 2009-02-04T02:37:15Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=194411;date=2009-02-04 17:20:06-05:00 2009-02-04T22:20:06Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=195207;date=2009-02-06 17:17:48-05:00 2009-02-06T22:17:48Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com whatever 98.233.34.13 wp_id=193699;date=2009-02-02 17:06:33-05:00 2009-02-02T22:06:33Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=193749;date=2009-02-02 20:42:18-05:00 2009-02-03T01:42:18Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=193794;date=2009-02-02 23:40:58-05:00 2009-02-03T04:40:58Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=193805;date=2009-02-03 00:32:16-05:00 2009-02-03T05:32:16Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com Matthew 72.229.97.6 wp_id=193806;date=2009-02-03 00:33:04-05:00 I bet the ground hog never placed a bomb at someones house.

Joe - THE RODENT BIT AMERICA'S MAYOR, OK!?
Why do you hate America?]]> 2009-02-03T05:33:04Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com Matthew 72.229.97.6 wp_id=193939;date=2009-02-03 09:44:19-05:00 2009-02-03T14:44:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=194071;date=2009-02-03 19:07:39-05:00

Marmota monax, nature's phlebotomist.

See http://notionscapital.wordpres.../]]> 2009-02-04T00:07:39Z notionscapital@yahoo.com Mike Licht 138.88.4.175 wp_id=194778;date=2009-02-05 15:54:08-05:00
Unlike Punxatawny Phil (the original g-hog) named in accordance with Punxatawny, PA. His Staten Island counterpart appropriately goes by the name "THE RIZA." Additionally, after being bit mayor Bloomberg was told by the groundhog to, "Protek ya' nek."

#30#]]> 2009-02-05T20:54:08Z andy@anonymous.disqus.net andy 66.100.3.192 wp_id=194781;date=2009-02-05 16:03:01-05:00 <img src="http://merrimusings.mu.nu/archives/images/groundhog.bmp">
]]> 2009-02-05T21:03:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=195152;date=2009-02-06 13:53:30-05:00 EAT THE RICH.]]> 2009-02-06T18:53:30Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com whatever 98.233.34.13 wp_id=193940;date=2009-02-03 09:49:39-05:00 The fact that the people are no real threat to anybody and that the FBI must understand that don't get in the way of the FBI parading lots of successful arrests.
Meanwhile, the real terrorists seem to be evading the FBI...]]> 2009-02-03T14:49:39Z gideon@dogmad.com Dog Stuff 86.152.207.208 wp_id=193947;date=2009-02-03 10:17:33-05:00 2009-02-03T15:17:33Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=194016;date=2009-02-03 15:09:33-05:00
Federal authorities have waged a dirty campaign against Mason since her arrest, which has included severe harassment of her family, in addition to other actions which authorities have done in the pre-sentencing period to negatively influence the case.

One of the milder but more obvious examples of this the prosecutor naming one of the support sites as evidence for giving Mason a longer sentence.

We can see the chain of events:

1.federal authorities arrest people who engage in economic sabotage, label them terrorists and then seek extraordinary long sentences;
2.activists defend the arrestees on the basis of the ridiculous charges against them;
3. authorities then claim that the defense of the arrestees is proof of the necessity of the ridiculous charges.

for updates as they become available see:
www.supportmariemason.org
www.freemarie.org]]> 2009-02-03T20:09:33Z ghax56@yahoo.com gh ty us 64.61.28.26 wp_id=198435;date=2009-02-16 07:10:34-05:00 Eco-terrorism is another label for people who care about the environment enough to stand up to corporate warfare on the world...and another excuse for bush/cheney henchmen to use their unlawful power to destroy those freedom fighters who object...]]> 2009-02-16T12:10:34Z sarahgreencrow@yahoo.com Sarah 174.154.64.229 wp_id=197351;date=2009-02-13 13:21:27-05:00 2009-02-13T18:21:27Z princess.ellenash@gmail.com Elle 205.215.222.135 wp_id=194702;date=2009-02-05 10:51:07-05:00 2009-02-05T15:51:07Z alex.hershaft@verizon.net Alex Hershaft 72.66.29.254 wp_id=194720;date=2009-02-05 11:52:10-05:00 2009-02-05T16:52:10Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=194771;date=2009-02-05 15:19:57-05:00 2009-02-05T20:19:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=195532;date=2009-02-07 14:45:36-05:00
Let's take inspiration from Will, and use the information he provides to fuel our own work. We need more political prisoner support groups. More educational efforts, more fundraising and above all we need more people challenging the powers that be.

Let's let the work we all do be our compliments to one another.]]> 2009-02-07T19:45:36Z only@anonymous.disqus.net Only 96.231.1.55 wp_id=195533;date=2009-02-07 14:45:52-05:00 2009-02-07T19:45:52Z only@anonymous.disqus.net Only 96.231.1.55 wp_id=195537;date=2009-02-07 15:05:18-05:00 2009-02-07T20:05:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.23.116 wp_id=197282;date=2009-02-13 09:08:16-05:00 2009-02-13T14:08:16Z pattrice@pattricejones.info pattricejones 67.47.148.188 wp_id=197357;date=2009-02-13 13:28:21-05:00 2009-02-13T18:28:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.9.26.169 wp_id=194815;date=2009-02-05 18:04:59-05:00
I try to put a hopeful spin on this. The government/big business is sending the message "We're running scared. We've been caught out one too many times and the people are getting wise to us"

Stand strong, fight the power.]]> 2009-02-05T23:04:59Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=194825;date=2009-02-05 18:44:31-05:00
her husband went to jail for a MUCH shorter time because he cooperated with authorities. like it or not, arson is not getting the environmental movement anywhere - that's the kind of tactics that just turn people off from the message.]]> 2009-02-05T23:44:31Z mandy.v@gmail.com mandy 71.172.30.180 wp_id=194828;date=2009-02-05 19:02:36-05:00
How sad. I've only been alive 5 years longer than her sentence. That is horrible.]]> 2009-02-06T00:02:36Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARphilo 72.77.124.89 wp_id=194839;date=2009-02-05 19:42:27-05:00 2009-02-06T00:42:27Z jon@anonymous.disqus.net Jon 69.23.84.86 wp_id=194841;date=2009-02-05 19:56:41-05:00
The most important point here, though, is that I don't think it matters one bit whether or not arson is a smart tactic. The real question is whether or not the government should be singling out people, who have never harmed anyone, and labeling them as a terrorists in order to push a political agenda and silence dissent.]]> 2009-02-06T00:56:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.188.228 wp_id=194845;date=2009-02-05 20:07:10-05:00 "Oh, you burned a building down, we ALL see now that you are right. Please, return to your family unpunished and with our blessing, only to return with that potent, and only, vehicle of change: gasoline, whenever you feel that our system needs changing." -Judge Fudge
There is a term for this sort of thing, and it is not eco-terrorist. It's arsonist. Before you support her, consider whether you support or oppose criminal sanctions for intentionally burning down a building.
Even if you are 'like really sure' no one is inside.]]> 2009-02-06T01:07:10Z qchip@aol.com Enviro the Avenger 213.84.101.136 wp_id=194847;date=2009-02-05 20:10:35-05:00
"Before you support her, consider whether you support or oppose criminal sanctions for intentionally burning down a building."

That's irrelevant. Opposing the labeling of non-violent property crimes as "terrorism," and opposing outlandish and disproportionate sentences in political cases, does not mean you SUPPORT arson or any other illegal tactic. That's buying into the "with us or against us" rhetoric of the War on Terrorism that the government has tried to push since day one.]]> 2009-02-06T01:10:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.188.228 wp_id=194848;date=2009-02-05 20:10:54-05:00
it's almost like their begging to be lumped in with the rest of the other "trolls".
you know, the kind of people that are aching to cause more division within the movement.

especially when they purposefully ignore the premise of the blog.
Will isn't squabbling over whether or not arson and evading arrest is "pretty illegal".
Will has pointed out that many violent hate crimes receive FAR LESS severe sentences.

after working in social work for so many years, you realize how insanely ridiculous it is to watch people like the SHAC7 do more time than many serial rapists.

the message is clear: our government (and the many related forces) cares more about big business and money than it does about you, your loved ones, and anything/anyone that doesn't affect them.

Will didn't post this blog as a pity party for anyone.
he is helping remind us that no matter how you practice your activism, you will never have a level playing field.

the cops don't care about the clipboards you sign, the organic produce you buy at your local co-op, or the energy efficient light bulbs you bought.

however, they do care about people causing financial damage to corporations.
theres a reason for that.
it's a powerful, direct blow.
the threat is real.
hence the disproportionate sentences.]]> 2009-02-06T01:10:54Z myheadinfrontofyourhead@yahoo.com x 76.166.182.164 wp_id=194857;date=2009-02-05 20:30:54-05:00 She couldn't know for sure there weren't people in the building; arson is a real problem. She should count herself lucky that she isn't staring down a criminally negligent homicide sentence. And anyone thinking of following in her footsteps should wisely heed the folly of her actions, how little she accomplished for so high a cost, and how easily that cost could be far greater.]]> 2009-02-06T01:30:54Z qchip@aol.com Enviro the Avenger 213.84.101.136 wp_id=194859;date=2009-02-05 20:37:37-05:00
What, exactly, is hypocritical about that? I'm not following your logic as to why it is contradictory to be critical of the government smearing activists as terrorists.

As to your other point about the risks, you are absolutely correct. However, it is not an accident that no ELF action has ever harmed anyone. That's not a lucky coincidence, it's a reflection--as stated in the communiques--that the intention of these crimes is not to harm life but to protect life by harming corporate profits. That is a far cry from any conventional definition of terrorism.]]> 2009-02-06T01:37:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.188.228 wp_id=194860;date=2009-02-05 20:41:09-05:00
That's a total red herring. Nobody burns down buildings, or commits any act of sabotage (whatever the people who write laws want to call them), because they disagree with somebody. They act because the planet is being killed and other forms of protest aren't doing shit to fix the problem. Among many other reasons that have a much more sophisticated political analysis than "I disagree."

And I'd like to say this to mandy: you may be turned off by such acts, but I'm turned off by holding signs and chanting, then going home knowing that another condo is still going to go up next door.

This sentence is bullshit. Organize, organize, organize. And if you don't like a particular tactic, well, you don't have to work for the state to work for the state. If you're unwilling to stand in solidarity across tactics, well, you're going to be facing prison next, and history will leave you in the dust.]]> 2009-02-06T01:41:09Z haloka@riseup.net haloka 216.250.178.137 wp_id=194866;date=2009-02-05 20:55:23-05:00
Anyway, that's great that elf INTENDS not to hurt anybody, and that it hasn't yet (I don't know if that's true, Ill take your word for it), but that doesn't change the fact that they are employing illegal means, and potentially endangering lives, to achieve their aims. Violence and self-help, whether against property to affect corporate profits, or against people (as I figure is embodied in the conventional definition of terrorism), automatically places the party employing it in the wrong. Sort of like the real life equivalent Godwin's law.

And as far as that other commentator "x" is concerned: I think as soon as you lambast (even obliquely) another poster who is not just putting a string of swear words together, but rather commenting on the post, you make me feel good for ignoring all the other text you took the time to place on the internet. I am glad you provided a clear and easily applicable justification for ignoring everything you have ever thought.]]> 2009-02-06T01:55:23Z qchip@aol.com Enviro the Avenger 213.84.101.136 wp_id=194867;date=2009-02-05 20:59:31-05:00 2009-02-06T01:59:31Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=194871;date=2009-02-05 21:13:06-05:00 2009-02-06T02:13:06Z baily2@yahoo.com matt 66.173.244.26 wp_id=194910;date=2009-02-05 23:23:11-05:00 2009-02-06T04:23:11Z hegi1@msn.com ryan 76.20.139.53 wp_id=194911;date=2009-02-05 23:23:21-05:00 2009-02-06T04:23:21Z missy@anonymous.disqus.net Missy 74.57.243.218 wp_id=194914;date=2009-02-05 23:26:53-05:00
IMHO, I think this sentence is insane. While I respect a diversity of tactics, even those that are by law illegal, I know that those that undertake them often understand the risks. But when a growing development, like the Green Scare, finds new ways and new legislation to clothe themselves in, it is often difficulty to gauge when an "arson" or "criminal property damage" law is going to get trumped up to "domestic (eco/animal enterprise)terrorism", which in this post 9/11 Empire, is going to be prosecuted to its full extent.

Hypothetically, if you were a law enforcement officer, why would you ever want to solve a "criminal property damage" case when you could get brownie points with the press, state, and fed, not to mention you're department boss, for scoring big on a "terrorism" case? Personal incentives are to great, along with the entire machine of the Green Scare pushing for and in some cases (like "Anna") actually providing the means for these charges to even be possible to allege. Crazy.]]> 2009-02-06T04:26:53Z jonathan@anonymous.disqus.net Jonathan 219.164.128.60 wp_id=194920;date=2009-02-05 23:51:13-05:00 while it is incredibly saddening that marie has received such a long sentence, her courage in the face of such a threat (to her and her family) is incredibly admirable. free marie!]]> 2009-02-06T04:51:13Z tasquoll@riseup.net lil 203.219.248.228 wp_id=194934;date=2009-02-06 00:33:07-05:00 2009-02-06T05:33:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.188.228 wp_id=194994;date=2009-02-06 04:38:14-05:00
I believe the more correct term is "bald-faced lie," not "bold-faced lie," although the common misuse of the term as the latter is making it more acceptable in modern times.

But the former is really more correct, as I understand it.]]> 2009-02-06T09:38:14Z ariana_rad@hotmail.com tofu pup 24.4.36.24 wp_id=195001;date=2009-02-06 04:57:25-05:00 American justice - the best that money can buy.]]> 2009-02-06T09:57:25Z gideon@dogmad.com Dog Stuff 86.152.207.208 wp_id=195050;date=2009-02-06 07:50:41-05:00 2009-02-06T12:50:41Z lucytitasrocks@sbcglobal.net Jimi 76.205.4.252 wp_id=195064;date=2009-02-06 08:46:11-05:00 2009-02-06T13:46:11Z k06rw02@kzoo.edu Norah 70.129.32.66 wp_id=195079;date=2009-02-06 09:40:55-05:00 2009-02-06T14:40:55Z billybobince@hotmail.com lolwob 138.37.96.159 wp_id=195102;date=2009-02-06 11:02:48-05:00 2009-02-06T16:02:48Z kstenquist76@hotmail.com Kristin 68.41.161.70 wp_id=195118;date=2009-02-06 11:54:39-05:00
I do understand the point being made about the link between this and terrorism though. Do I think this should be considered terrorism? I don't think so. I think the Government also has fun throwing around the word terrorist, especially post 911. I do think it's a control/fear tactic to lump any and all form of disidents together.]]> 2009-02-06T16:54:39Z mark@anonymous.disqus.net Mark 69.72.12.65 wp_id=195122;date=2009-02-06 12:05:30-05:00
But I agree with Will. The point of the post is about the ubiquitous "terrorist" label.]]> 2009-02-06T17:05:30Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=195150;date=2009-02-06 13:46:55-05:00 2009-02-06T18:46:55Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com Anonymous 98.233.34.13 wp_id=195195;date=2009-02-06 16:48:54-05:00
Marie Mason pled guilty, accepted responsibility, and expressed remorse. There was never any question but that there would be a substantial prison sentence. Her ex-husband, who taped conversations with her for the government, was sentenced to 9 years.

Application of the terrorism enhancement under the federal sentencing guidelines increased the advisory sentencing range 7 times over what the range would have been for arson without the enhancement. (However, she was facing a mandatory 7 year minimum sentence because of the danger to firemen.) The terrorism enhancement makes no distinction between intent to murder or, as in this case, property destruction, and because of its inflexibility provides little guidance.

There have been about 20 other similar cases in the country where property was destroyed but there was no intention to commit murder. The sentences in those other cases have been from 3 to 13 and a half years, principally because in those other cases the government recommended downward departures of twice as much as in this case. Comparing the facts of those other cases and the backgrounds of those defendants, the sentence in this case is more than double what it would have been.

The purpose of federal sentencing law is to achieve sentencing uniformity throughout the country, so that there are not vast differences from place to place. 22 years is the average sentence for murder in federal court. The average sentence for arson in federal court is 7 years. In this case, a considerable sentence was inevitable. 22 years is excessive and disproportionate.]]> 2009-02-06T21:48:54Z jminock@ic.net John Minock 152.160.12.2 wp_id=195198;date=2009-02-06 16:51:35-05:00 2009-02-06T21:51:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=195205;date=2009-02-06 17:14:00-05:00 2009-02-06T22:14:00Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com whatever 98.233.34.13 wp_id=195249;date=2009-02-06 20:36:33-05:00 2009-02-07T01:36:33Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=195265;date=2009-02-06 21:30:01-05:00 2009-02-07T02:30:01Z grieve@gmail.com sam 68.50.218.172 wp_id=195301;date=2009-02-06 23:37:55-05:00
always the case with condos. never has been the case with an ELF action.]]> 2009-02-07T04:37:55Z haloka@riseup.net haloka 216.250.178.137 wp_id=195504;date=2009-02-07 11:44:32-05:00
Arson is a violent act. I don't care how you twist it.

The sentencing does appear to be extreme. Her admittance to being involved in other acts is probably what really sealed the deal for a longer term. No matter the paranoid hyperbole one reads here. Terrorism was involved by the base definition of the term and the admittance of the defendant.

It's the sentencing where the issue lies. Seven years I assume with the possibility of parole sounds more reasonable. Stating that she doesn't belong in prison at all is just scary to think about the collective mentality among my fellow Americans. Quite frankly, stating this crime was not an act of terrorism is no different than stating that a klansman burning down an African American church is not terrorism. Ridiculous.

In the meantime.......Cory Maye still sits in a prison cell.]]> 2009-02-07T16:44:32Z no@anonymous.disqus.net no 68.219.70.154 wp_id=195507;date=2009-02-07 11:50:23-05:00
No, what "sealed the deal" is the government pushing for "terrorism enhancement" penalties which drastically increased the sentence. Terrorism was not involved in any "base definition of the term," because this arson did not involve violence against civilians in order to influence government conduct. In fact, the entire reason the ELF says it uses arson and other crimes is that government conduct can NOT be influenced, and that reform is not possible. There are myriad definitions of terrorism used by branches of the U.S. government, and this does not fit any of them.]]> 2009-02-07T16:50:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.151.81 wp_id=195529;date=2009-02-07 14:28:04-05:00
For all the "I'm just as much as an evironmentalist as the next person" comments - it needs to be understand that whether or not you find ELF tactics morally acceptable or not - ELF actions are a huge part of the reason that the concept of environmentalism is so popular right now. Any strides that this culture has made in addressing the current ecological crisis can no doubt be attributed to actions done in the name of the ELF that helped to raise the profile of environmental issues. History will reflect this.

Trace the history of any social movement and you will find that it is those seemingly marginal yet extremely courageous people who have broke the law, risked and given their own freedom for the eventual benefit of society at large. When people like Marie started doing environmental work - mainstream discourse would laugh in disbelief at issues like global warming and climate change - it is largely because of actions taken by ELF in concert with other grassroots efforts - are THE reason why these issues have begun to see more attention in mainstream culture.

Marie's action and beliefs run contrary to the agenda of the entire state apparatus -- and that is why she has received the sentence she has. We can see clearly from the cases of Eric McDavid and the SHAC 7 that these prosecutions are not about the specific crimes being prosecuted - this are ideological prosecutions. The environmental movement poses a threat to the status quo - because this exploitative system benefits from environmentally destructive behaviors. They do not want to stop these behaviors, because they do not want to give up power.

We live in a system where those who create and maintain the laws actually carryout, perpetuate and ensure the committing of the most atrocious and violent acts. Remember that next time you reference what is legal and illegal.

If any of us want real social change - we need to forget about the law as we know it. The law is nothing more than a tool of our masters to control us. They use it when it works for them and completely disregard it the rest of the time.

Finally, for all of us on the right side of this fight (and yes, there is a right side) -- Marie needs to hear from us. Let's get some letter's in the mail! Send her support campaign $$ money if you have it!

Will, thanks for all you do with this site. It's a light in the dark. We need more people doing this important work.]]> 2009-02-07T19:28:04Z only@anonymous.disqus.net Only 96.231.1.55 wp_id=195538;date=2009-02-07 15:05:55-05:00 2009-02-07T20:05:55Z screwyou@yahoo.com Arson = Violence 76.187.72.58 wp_id=195548;date=2009-02-07 16:24:18-05:00 2009-02-07T21:24:18Z screwyou@yahoo.com What a stupid woman 76.187.72.58 wp_id=195553;date=2009-02-07 16:48:56-05:00
My point is...

What ground do you stand on? If you are to be so sanctimonious about violence, I hope you practice what you preach.

I hope you so vigorously oppose both wars and occupations and all previous ones; domestic violence; vivisection; poverty; police brutality and all other forms of violence that is status quo in these United States.... I hope the recent bombing and attacks of the Gaza strip has infuriated you as much as Marie Mason has.

PERIOD.]]> 2009-02-07T21:48:56Z anti-violence_means_anti-state@anonymous.disqus.net Anti-Violence Means Anti-State 96.231.1.55 wp_id=195575;date=2009-02-07 17:57:26-05:00 2009-02-07T22:57:26Z screwyou@yahoo.com What a stupid woman 76.187.72.58 wp_id=195632;date=2009-02-07 22:14:13-05:00
As for violence:
Violence is a part of life. If you disagree, consider yourself one of the lucky ones who have been able to avoid it so far. Millions of people (and many more non-humans) don't have it so good. To say you are "against all forms of violence" is like saying you're "against death". Sure, nobody likes it, but it's a fact of life and to pretend it's not is to bury your head in the sand.
What would you do if you saw someone beating a child to death? What if violence was the only way to stop it...would you do whatever it took? Or would you let your "moral purity" take precedent, better to let the child die than to ever consider using violence? Inaction is a choice and it too has consequences.]]> 2009-02-08T03:14:13Z simonsnyder@ymail.com Mother Grizzly Bear 67.159.8.92 wp_id=196022;date=2009-02-09 08:07:51-05:00
In a comment that author states "Terrorism was not involved in any 'base definition of the term,' because this arson did not involve violence against civilians in order to influence government conduct."

But that is not what the judge was basing the application of "terrorism" on; according to the original article, it was because the people who worked in the organization attacked felt the threat of violence. This does not seem unreasonable to me. If someone burned down my place of work because explicitly because of what I was doing, I would feel physically under threat also. I believe that was the entire point of the arson: to frighten those doing the work into doing something else.]]> 2009-02-09T13:07:51Z winston@mailinator.com Winslow Theramin 155.212.59.41 wp_id=196034;date=2009-02-09 09:21:39-05:00
See the response in comment 30 by John Minock, Mason's attorney: The sentences in similar ELF arson cases has been 3-13 years. The terrorism enhancement increased this by 7 times.

And no, the judge was not asked to apply the terrorism enhancement based on whether or not the people in the organization attacked felt the threat of violence. (For much more on that, see the link in this post on the terrorism enhancements and how they work).

Finally, the point of the arson, as stated in the communique after the crime, was to sabotage the GE research.

It stated:
“The E.L.F. takes credit for a strike on the offices of Catherine Ives, Rm. 324 Agricultural Hall at Michigan State University on Dec. 31, 1999. The offices were doused with gasoline and set afire. This was done in response to the work being done to force developing nations in Asia, Latin America and Africa to switch from natural crop plants to genetically altered sweet potatoes, corn, bananas, and pineapples. Monsanto and USAID are major funders of the research and promotional work being done through Michigan State University. According to local newspapers, the fire cost $400,000 in damage. Cremate Monsanto, Long live the E.L.F. On to the next G.E. target!”]]> 2009-02-09T14:21:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=196077;date=2009-02-09 13:44:03-05:00 Using a derogatory argument like "even a monkey understands it" in regards to your logic behind arson being a violent crime, instead of backing it up with actual reasons, is typical of anyone who upholds the moral highground without actually knowing why. Every situation is NOT fundamentally the same; arson in one case could be violent, while in another case be not at all. In this case, whether or not she knew she would be hurting nobody, she clearly did not. Breaking a pencil in half is not tatamount to snapping the leg of a rabbit in half, or breaking somebody's spine. Your argument of violence against inanimate objects is perverse, in that it upholds the fascist ideal of corporations or man-made sites being citizens in their own right, with protected status. Corportations and the gov't do NOT have a monopoly on radical actions, or even violence. People are far too concerned with whether or not actions taken by activists will lobby support from those not already submersed in culture-jamming, and not concerned enough about the actual, concrete reaction created. Move past symbolism; symbolic actions yield symbolic changes. We need an abolitionist movement, not a liberal reformist one. My support goes out to every Environmentalist locked up because they wanted to hold corporations accountable for their actions, regardless of their actions.]]> 2009-02-09T18:44:03Z typhoidgroovy@hotmail.com Meagan 192.197.90.57 wp_id=196651;date=2009-02-11 16:36:08-05:00
A close study will reveal that politically motivated arsonists (Environmentalists and Anti Abortion activists) appear to have received sentences that are significantly longer than merely criminal arson.]]> 2009-02-11T21:36:08Z stepaniak1@juno.com Cryptic 204.248.24.161 wp_id=198546;date=2009-02-16 13:57:06-05:00 Arson is a serious crime of violence with the potential to kill. Read the law: terrorism includes acts of violence directed at people or property with the intent to force changes in behavior. Mason admitted to years of arson attacks and property damage in excess of $4 million specifically to intimidate people.
Mason's crimes are referred to as "crimes against property". What has not been recognized is the related damage to people's work, research, careers and the threats to their personal security not knowing where the arsonists may strike next.
Aside from environmental activists, there is very little public support for groups like ELF, ALF, SHAC et al because of the violent criminal activities that discredit the goals they profess to support. Just read the papers. Rather than being an "excessive deviation", Mason's sentence should establish a precedent.]]> 2009-02-16T18:57:06Z not_mr_greenjeans@anonymous.disqus.net Not Mr. GreenJeans 98.169.223.197 wp_id=199123;date=2009-02-17 23:10:00-05:00 2009-02-18T04:10:00Z reality_hall_pass@anonymous.disqus.net Reality Hall Pass 71.239.208.146 wp_id=202859;date=2009-02-27 13:00:25-05:00 2009-02-27T18:00:25Z waitress.sd@gmail.com waitress 99.147.177.119 wp_id=203008;date=2009-02-27 22:03:47-05:00
VIVSECTION = VIOLENCE & TERRORISM
THE MEAT INDUSTRY = VIOLENCE & TERRORISM
THE FUR INDUSTRY = VIOLENCE & TERRORISM
THE DAIRY INDUSTRY = VIOLENCE & TERRORISM
THE ZOOS AND CIRCUSES = VIOLENCE & TERRORISM
THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE ABOVE SUPPORT VIOLENCE & TERRORISM]]> 2009-02-28T03:03:47Z wolfie@anonymous.disqus.net Wolfie 74.66.224.67 wp_id=205636;date=2009-03-08 22:29:39-04:00
Sadly this woman was not put to death, at least we can make sure she is raped and killed the day she is released.]]> 2009-03-09T02:29:39Z c56jj3d4pcx4lvz@jetable.net j3ff 68.106.90.22 wp_id=205641;date=2009-03-08 22:52:35-04:00 2009-03-09T02:52:35Z bushisachimp@sandmonkey.com hood 71.203.112.27 wp_id=205901;date=2009-03-09 19:59:54-04:00 2009-03-09T23:59:54Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 130.15.211.193 wp_id=206057;date=2009-03-10 12:08:05-04:00
Second, this was done to a university. A university with students. Young adults, just barely not kids. This was not done to a huge 'evil' uncaring megacorporation.

I was supportive of your article until I read it is about people setting fire to a school. I could even see myself protesting in-person against a large prison sentence for non-violent civil disobedience like staging a sit-in. But setting fire to a school, no.

It is hard to take an article seriously when it supports people setting fire to a school. If you had even included a condemnation of their actions (setting fire to a SCHOOL), while complaining about the over-large prison sentence, that might have worked. But this article does not include that. Without that, I cannot come to the conclusion that you are a rational person and able to discern between appropriate actions.

Maybe I should point this out again: SETTING FIRE TO A SCHOOL.]]> 2009-03-10T16:08:05Z piratejunk@gmail.com MikeH 134.161.225.170 wp_id=206062;date=2009-03-10 12:28:26-04:00 2009-03-10T16:28:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=213266;date=2009-03-31 12:04:18-04:00 2009-03-31T16:04:18Z rightauk@sisqtel.net Flu-Bird 198.68.23.76 wp_id=217160;date=2009-04-13 16:26:06-04:00 2009-04-13T20:26:06Z rightauk@sisqtel.net Flu-Bird 63.207.224.249 wp_id=195121;date=2009-02-06 12:02:34-05:00 2009-02-06T17:02:34Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 76.125.15.89 wp_id=195124;date=2009-02-06 12:09:26-05:00 2009-02-06T17:09:26Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=195191;date=2009-02-06 16:30:56-05:00 Simply hire your own thugs to perpetrate crimes that those within the targeted movement would be unlikely to ever commit. Next, whip up plenty of furor, outrage and indignation in the media, ala "we won't rest until the person or persons who did this are brought to justice". You'll need to target some innocent, deeply committed and idealistic schmuck(s) to take the fall in order to make it all look legit. Then sit back and watch as the movement deconstructs itself based on finger-pointing and paranoia. The FBI doesn't need snitches on the inside to bring down the AR, environmentalist and peacenik movements, they'll just continue to creatively light fires wherever they'll do the most harm and let those who believe everything they read, hear and see be their biggest advocates.]]> 2009-02-06T21:30:56Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.216.191 wp_id=195501;date=2009-02-07 11:33:42-05:00
I think Americans have lost all sense of reason or perspective when it comes to establishing reasonable penalties for various forms of lawbreaking. Having the world's highest per capita prison population seems to have taken its toll if people think a whole life wasted rotting in prison is the appropriate punishment for a crime like this.]]> 2009-02-07T16:33:42Z fiddleronvermouth@gmail.com Alceste 82.71.62.63 wp_id=195509;date=2009-02-07 11:51:42-05:00 2009-02-07T16:51:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.151.81 wp_id=195514;date=2009-02-07 12:16:52-05:00 TWENTY TWO YEARS IN JAIL?!?!? Why not a FINE... I think Americans have lost all sense of reason or perspective when it comes to establishing reasonable penalties for various forms of lawbreaking.


You are assuming, of course, that the U.S. is ruled by the people and not corporate mobsters who control the courts and Capitol Hill.]]> 2009-02-07T17:16:52Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.220.14 wp_id=195684;date=2009-02-08 02:32:36-05:00 While all of these different agencies are scrambling to not just maintain the general status quo, of their dominance, they also want more funding, or at least more than their competitors.
When people refer to the US Empire wanting to maintain the status quo, I hope they keep in mind that it is in broad terms that they are speaking, and that their is a constant power struggle for more funding and more power going on between the departments.
There is money and jobs on the line. Unfortunately, I think Mason's 2X sentencing is going to be common place from now on. Anybody know what the last person who burnt down/pipe bombed a Planned Parenthood got or the earlier cross burning example? I'm curious to see what their sentencing was.]]> 2009-02-08T07:32:36Z jonathan@anonymous.disqus.net Jonathan 219.164.128.60 wp_id=195972;date=2009-02-09 04:09:08-05:00 2009-02-09T09:09:08Z sh@stockpix.com stockpix 4.255.41.224 wp_id=195200;date=2009-02-06 16:59:19-05:00 There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

Love this site, I frequent it daily:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/C...
Lots of good proverbs.]]> 2009-02-06T21:59:19Z christopher_vincent@anonymous.disqus.net Christopher Vincent 156.110.24.142 wp_id=195203;date=2009-02-06 17:05:31-05:00 2009-02-06T22:05:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=195208;date=2009-02-06 17:31:23-05:00 2009-02-06T22:31:23Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 76.125.15.89 wp_id=195526;date=2009-02-07 13:30:00-05:00
It's really tough but I do find that there seems to be less negatives in my life when I try to do this. Nothing bad ever seems to happen to my mom. And, while I don't believe in a lot of the spiritually "set your intention" stuff, it seems to be showing evidence in her life and in others' lives that move forward without fear.

I think it is good to have things in front of us rather than to hide. I would rather look back on life, knowing I did what I knew to be right, than to look back wondering why I didn't.

Cool entry.]]> 2009-02-07T18:30:00Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARphilo 72.77.124.89 wp_id=195530;date=2009-02-07 14:33:39-05:00 2009-02-07T19:33:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.23.116 wp_id=195756;date=2009-02-08 08:48:56-05:00 2009-02-08T13:48:56Z natashaburge@yahoo.com The voracious Vegan 77.69.175.212 wp_id=196122;date=2009-02-09 17:45:01-05:00 2009-02-09T22:45:01Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.68 wp_id=196350;date=2009-02-10 11:14:13-05:00
You might try this place.
http://www.sewardcafempls.net/...]]> 2009-02-10T16:14:13Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.81 wp_id=196351;date=2009-02-10 11:19:34-05:00 2009-02-10T16:19:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=196353;date=2009-02-10 11:27:49-05:00 http://www.happycow.net/north_.../

I'm sure you've probably looked on happy cow....but on the off chance that you didn't, I figured I'd forward it to you.
There seem to be quite a bit of coffee shops with vegan options and whatnot. I'm not familiar enough to with the city to recommend any of them based on distance from where you'll be, so I figured I'd just send the whole list.]]> 2009-02-10T16:27:49Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.25.101 wp_id=196356;date=2009-02-10 11:38:37-05:00 http://www.peacecoffee.com/]]> 2009-02-10T16:38:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=196366;date=2009-02-10 12:13:17-05:00 If you need anything while you are here please don't hesitate to contact me. See you on Thursday.]]> 2009-02-10T17:13:17Z geargab@gmail.com Bill McGuire 75.168.127.109 wp_id=196367;date=2009-02-10 12:21:15-05:00 2009-02-10T17:21:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=196374;date=2009-02-10 12:55:32-05:00 2009-02-10T17:55:32Z dallas@animalrightscoalition.com Dallas 71.220.65.135 wp_id=196392;date=2009-02-10 14:34:34-05:00 2009-02-10T19:34:34Z plant_murderer@live.com Danielle 66.210.74.161 wp_id=196417;date=2009-02-10 18:47:42-05:00 2009-02-10T23:47:42Z xabyssionx@gmail.com xdustinx 68.103.185.180 wp_id=196425;date=2009-02-10 19:21:44-05:00 No worries. I was typing a reply, and had to stop when I read "there's no such thing as Al-Qaeda."]]> 2009-02-11T00:21:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.100.108 wp_id=197892;date=2009-02-14 21:51:12-05:00
www.GreenIstheNewRed.ORG.]]> 2009-02-15T02:51:12Z harry@anonymous.disqus.net Harry 76.88.56.43 wp_id=198882;date=2009-02-17 10:08:09-05:00
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George W. Bush committed hate crimes of epic proportions and with the stench of terrorism (indicated in my blog).

George W. Bush did in fact commit innumerable hate crimes.

And I do solemnly swear by Almighty God that George W. Bush committed other hate crimes of epic proportions and with the stench of terrorism which I am not at liberty to mention.

Many people know what Bush did.

And many people will know what Bush did—even to the end of the world.

Bush was absolute evil.

Bush is now like a fugitive from justice.

Bush is a psychological prisoner.

Bush has a lot to worry about.

Bush can technically be prosecuted for hate crimes at any time.

In any case, Bush will go down in history in infamy.

Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang
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Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993

“GEORGE W. BUSH IS THE WORST PRESIDENT IN U.S. HISTORY” BLOG OF ANDREW YU-JEN WANG
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I am not sure where I had read it before, but anyway, it is a linguistically excellent statement, and it goes kind of like this: “If only it were possible to ban invention that bottled up memory so it never got stale and faded.” Oh wait—off of the top of my head—I think the quotation came from my Lower Merion High School yearbook.]]> 2009-03-03T01:18:39Z andrewwang111@yahoo.com Andrew Yu-Jen Wang 129.174.229.214 wp_id=198536;date=2009-02-16 13:35:28-05:00 2009-02-16T18:35:28Z thomaskirby169@hotmail.com Tom 69.76.159.73 wp_id=198624;date=2009-02-16 18:44:00-05:00 Explain to me how animal welfare regulations are a violation of human rights?

Are child pornography laws a similar violation?]]> 2009-02-16T23:44:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.114.89.241 wp_id=199019;date=2009-02-17 17:40:46-05:00 which laws are you refering?]]> 2009-02-17T22:40:46Z baily2@optonline.net matt 66.173.244.26 wp_id=203965;date=2009-03-02 23:28:19-05:00
I hope he proves me wrong.]]> 2009-03-03T04:28:19Z supahgypsyroselee@hotmail.com Canaduck 66.183.102.169 wp_id=198973;date=2009-02-17 15:04:44-05:00
Also, are you aware of the existence of greenisthenewred dot ORG? I went to it by mistake looking for this site. It's apparently a page devoted to the idea that the environmental movement is actually a nefarious Communist conspiracy for world domination. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry...]]> 2009-02-17T20:04:44Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 97.116.63.128 wp_id=198977;date=2009-02-17 15:14:52-05:00
I've seen the site, and feel the same way. I'll post something in a few days. I thought I was simply making an analogy with this site, who knew environmentalists actually ARE communists?]]> 2009-02-17T20:14:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=199041;date=2009-02-17 18:33:58-05:00 2009-02-17T23:33:58Z colinnettles@gmail.com commie colin 71.145.150.28 wp_id=200940;date=2009-02-22 16:58:01-05:00 2009-02-22T21:58:01Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=200950;date=2009-02-22 17:28:01-05:00 2009-02-22T22:28:01Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 71.50.184.166 wp_id=200963;date=2009-02-22 18:24:08-05:00 2009-02-22T23:24:08Z skeeez@anonymous.disqus.net skeeez 76.20.124.93 wp_id=200992;date=2009-02-22 19:58:06-05:00 2009-02-23T00:58:06Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com Matthew 72.229.97.6 wp_id=201040;date=2009-02-22 22:52:43-05:00
These are professors. Their information is public already, and distribution of it is not a violation of any right. Even the "property destruction" of an individual's things is a civil issue, unless they burned down the guy's house, which they didn't :P. The trespassing is a few hundred dollar misdemeanor ticket... hardly something as bad as a "terrorist act", or any number of things the government does on a daily basis.]]> 2009-02-23T03:52:43Z justin@anonymous.disqus.net Justin 71.120.113.249 wp_id=201111;date=2009-02-23 03:01:48-05:00
Perhaps no AR group claimed responsibility for the crime, because no AR group COMMITTED the crime in the first place.
Hey, Skeeez, do you still believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy? It appears so, since you're so passively willing to believe the BS shoveled out by the corporate controlled media and their hired henchman--pseudo law enforcement agencies--[who's "laws" are they enforcing?] and their ugly twin sister, mock justice [justice for who?]. You are now entering the Twilight Zone and the signpost up ahead reads--FASCISM...today, prison for those speaking out against the immoral...tomorrow when "they" grow weary and impatient with the voices of truth--then come the death camps.
Don't empower evil by failing to investigate. Don't assume ANYTHING. The individual who continuously questions is the one closest to finding the truth.]]> 2009-02-23T08:01:48Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.212.91 wp_id=201170;date=2009-02-23 07:08:51-05:00
I suppose on the bright side, one can assume that this means animal rights activism and environmental activism are working. Otherwise, they wouldn't have these laws. It's upsetting that some must go to jail for ridiculous reasons as a result.

Next they'll be getting little kids for drawing on the sidewalk with chalk. It has happened before... http://www.nydailynews.com/new...]]> 2009-02-23T12:08:51Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARphilo 96.236.236.73 wp_id=201222;date=2009-02-23 10:28:27-05:00
Skeeez: 2 points.
1. You can't terrorize somebody's property.
2. Forceful coercion (or threat there of) is the only way the police (who you see as valid I assume, since you said these folks should be arrested) operate and exert influence. It's how social control/influence work. You simply seem to see the state (who, I think it's clear, have recently been making laws at the request or corporations, read:wealthy people) as a legitimate purveyor of forceful coercion and activists (read: people without money to buy laws) as illegitimate. That's some bullshit.]]> 2009-02-23T15:28:27Z mike_snacks@anonymous.disqus.net Mike Snacks 65.190.199.159 wp_id=201247;date=2009-02-23 12:20:16-05:00 2009-02-23T17:20:16Z sn@anonymous.disqus.net sn 66.75.254.120 wp_id=201251;date=2009-02-23 12:24:01-05:00
It's quite a stretch to compare these activists, and the animal rights and environmental movements more broadly, to the KKK. Primarily because, unlike the klan, these activists have never murdered, assaulted, lynched and raped people.

You won't find the KKK chalking sidewalks.]]> 2009-02-23T17:24:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201258;date=2009-02-23 12:38:56-05:00 Labeling green as the new red does not address the larger issue about threats and violence coming from this well-intentioned but extreme movement. Compare the actions of some of these groups with anti-abortion activists. The latter are being investigated by the FBI too. Would you call the pro-lifers the new red? It's the same stuff--appeals to life, extremely aggressive picketing, and violence.]]> 2009-02-23T17:38:56Z observer@observer.com An Observer 169.229.194.103 wp_id=201261;date=2009-02-23 12:48:09-05:00
The chalking information was taken verbatim from the FBI press release. It's one of only four "incidents" listed. If they had stronger material, they would have used it.

As to your point about anti-abortion activists: that movement has actually MURDERED people. The animal rights movement has not. And these activists are not accused of anything close to that. Further, DHS does not list right-wing groups on its lists of national security threats. So no, it's not at all the same.]]> 2009-02-23T17:48:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201270;date=2009-02-23 13:26:03-05:00
Not for lack of trying...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...
But what's the difference on accomplished violence anyway? Both movements are intent on personalizing attacks on their opponents. Showing up in people's neighborhoods is implicitly a threat; it's the same as the thug who says "I know where you live."]]> 2009-02-23T18:26:03Z observer@observer.com An Observer 136.152.175.199 wp_id=201273;date=2009-02-23 13:42:02-05:00 1) Has never been claimed by, or pinned on, any animal rights activist
2) Has not harmed anyone

There's a very, very big difference between protest and "accomplished violence."

Further, "showing up in people's neighborhood" is Constitutionally-protected speech. You don't like those types of protests, but too bad: that's the price of living in a democracy.]]> 2009-02-23T18:42:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201282;date=2009-02-23 14:03:23-05:00
When we run out of money we keep fighting. When they run out of money they will close shop. Keep fighting, every little bit adds up to something huge-
Thanks Will you are beyond fabulous.]]> 2009-02-23T19:03:23Z m3house@gmail.com Micah Perry 67.160.167.163 wp_id=201382;date=2009-02-23 19:34:28-05:00 2009-02-24T00:34:28Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=201395;date=2009-02-23 20:23:25-05:00 As I point out in this post, that is the only allegation of any actual criminal activity in an entire "terrorism" case. And it's unsubstantiated. Worst case scenario, assuming that this actually happened exactly the way the researcher described: how does a single incidents of attempted forced entry rise to the level of a multi-agency FBI, JTTF, and local enforcement investigation, on federal terrorism charges?

I've been the victim of similar petty crime, and so have many people reading this, and the FBI sure as hell didn't put any effort into helping me.]]> 2009-02-24T01:23:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.5.238.150 wp_id=201397;date=2009-02-23 20:36:34-05:00
That's it.... I'm grabbing my chalk and writing things on MY sidewalk. Let's see.....

The government is now "of the people, by the people, for the" business of profit.

Protest is LEGAL!]]> 2009-02-24T01:36:34Z whitneywilde@sbcglobal.net Whitney Wilde 70.143.97.122 wp_id=201427;date=2009-02-23 22:19:47-05:00
Ah... the pen IS truly mightier than the sword!!!!]]> 2009-02-24T03:19:47Z lsj521@gmail.com The Vegas Vegan 68.224.126.93 wp_id=201556;date=2009-02-24 06:28:55-05:00
The alleged charges posted above are an offense to the following clause of AETA:

(B) intentionally places a person in reasonable fear of the death of, or serious bodily injury to that person, a member of the immediate family (as defined in section 115) of that person, or a spouse or intimate partner of that person by a course of conduct involving threats, acts of vandalism, property damage, criminal trespass, harassment, or intimidation

And the corresponding penalty:

(2) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or both, if no bodily injury occurs and—
(A) the offense results in economic damage exceeding $10,000 but not exceeding $100,000; or
(B) the offense instills in another the reasonable fear of serious bodily injury or death;

I'll shed no tears for the incarceration of those who terrorize other people with intimidation tactics such as those described.

This particular case is NOT about free speech.]]> 2009-02-24T11:28:55Z lucidstone@anonymous.disqus.net lucidstone 75.54.116.116 wp_id=201561;date=2009-02-24 06:45:50-05:00
On February 24, 2008, five to six individuals including Mr. Pope, Ms. Stumpo, and Ms. Khajavi, attempted to forcibly enter the private home of a University of California researcher in Santa Cruz. When her husband opened the door, a struggle ensued and he was hit by an object. As the individuals fled, one yelled, “We’re gonna get you.” The professor and her husband both told the FBI they were terrified by the incident.

to:

At one protest, a group of five or six activists allegedly “attempted to forcibly enter the private home of a University of California researcher in Santa Cruz.”

This reduction leaves out the KEY allegations of assault and the verbal threat, "We're gonna get you."

If these allegations prove true, than those individuals deserved to be locked up.]]> 2009-02-24T11:45:50Z lucidstone@anonymous.disqus.net lucidstone 75.54.116.116 wp_id=201611;date=2009-02-24 09:52:56-05:00 I haven't reduced anything. I repeated, nearly verbatim, the allegations of the FBI. I refuse, however, to repeat their heresay.]]> 2009-02-24T14:52:56Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201619;date=2009-02-24 10:23:49-05:00
This is ridiculous.]]> 2009-02-24T15:23:49Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARphilo 96.236.236.73 wp_id=201745;date=2009-02-24 17:52:11-05:00 This is bull. (For lack of better words.)
I've read through many of the comments as well and feel like people still don't understand that this IS a problem. If they're going to label anyone a terrorist, it should be someone who has actually instilled "terror" in people. ("terror"ist, right?)
Sure, the professors are probably fearing for themselves, but they wouldn't be in that problem if they weren't doing such things in the first place, right?
If they're going to point the terrorist finger at them, they might as well do it to me, and probably a good half of the people that I know, just because I have done similar things like leaflet and write with CHALK on sidewalks and such. It hasn't hurt anyone.
I know there's been a few comments referring to organizations such as KKK, and right-wing anti-abortion groups then comparing them with acts such as these? It's totally irrelevant.
I'm actually a senior in high school right now, and will be attending the University of Minnesota in the fall, one of the region's largest "research" facilities. I'm facing moral dillemas with myself, and my culture a lot because of their eagerness to commercialize and genetically modify wild rice, which I am totally against. I've brought it to many people's attention, and have talked to a lot of people about what it would take to prevent such things from happening. Should they arrest me for terrorism?
I attended one of Will's speech thingers at the U of M a few weeks ago, and was really completely baffled at this breach of the first ammendment. I was in my US government class this morning, and the teacher was talking about how "people think" (more like she thinks) Obama has a socialist agenda. Personally, I'm not a fan of him, but, to say this and have the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act in place, is quite literally, very contradictory. Probably one of the biggest oxymoron's I've heard.
If the right wants to attack civil liberties, they should stop attacking someone who's actually looking looking out for someone other than themselves and their money.

Sorry if that rambled, but I hope I made my point come through sufficiently.]]> 2009-02-24T22:52:11Z nativexyouth@riseup.net rose 75.161.150.189 wp_id=201750;date=2009-02-24 18:03:24-05:00 2009-02-24T23:03:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201892;date=2009-02-25 02:11:12-05:00
Before getting defensive, do you honestly believe that you didn't reduce anything? And do you honestly believe that you omitted hearsay?

Think about it.

If you need a map of logic on this one I'll be happy to oblige.

1. The reported incident had 3 facts reported by witnesses: attempted breaking and entering, assault, and verbal threat. These 3 facts, be them true or false, are officially reported allegations by the complaining parties.

You reported one fact as if it was the entirety of the incident and then characterized it as:

"The only allegation of possible criminal activity is the FBI’s mention of a forced entry. The details of that incident are unclear, though. For instance, at many lawful home protests in the past, activists have been attacked by the people they are protesting who, understandably, are not happy about a demonstration right outside their front door. In short, the very worst element of the entire set of allegations . . ."

First of all, the allegations of assault and verbalized threats are just as criminal as the allegation of attempted B&E.

Secondly, these omitted allegations depict a violent nature to the protest in question and are truly "the very worst element of the entire set of allegations".

Omitting these two facts of the allegations drastically changes the picture.

2. This is an official representation by a law enforcement agency of the reported incidents by the complaining parties. That is NOT hearsay.

If it were, then ALL officially reported allegations would be considered hearsay and such news, including yours, would be meaningless.

3. The logic of your rebuttal doesn't add up. First you say you omitted nothing as it is "nearly verbatim" (which is false) and then you say in reverse fashion that you only omitted hearsay (which means you just contradicted yourself by admitting you omitted something).

This isn't about me being right or you being wrong, this is about objective truth. Be it intentional or not, you DID misrepresent the facts of the story.

I'm sure you know that Fox News omits and distorts facts as well as uses faulty reasoning processes in order to paint a desired picture.
The true test is whether or not you recognize such a picture for what it is when it's a picture of what you would want to see.

Let's please be better than that.

One last thought, the individuals arrested were arrested for allegedly threatening another person and allegedly causing them to live in a state of fear in the name of ideology. That is quite different than what your benign title would suggest.]]> 2009-02-25T07:11:12Z lucidstone@anonymous.disqus.net lucidstone 75.54.116.116 wp_id=201915;date=2009-02-25 03:27:36-05:00
Have your leaflets or chalk drawings ever threatened any individuals connected to what you're protesting? If not then you are fine. The people arrested were arrested for taking protesting to a MILITANT level and are quite literally terrorizing people.

One sentence you wrote troubled me: "Sure, the professors are probably fearing for themselves, but they wouldn’t be in that problem if they weren’t doing such things in the first place, right?"

Substitute "professors" with "abortion clinic workers" or any other person "perceived" of doing wrong, like "atheists" or "gays" if you had a southern baptist mentality. Then read it again and tell me if your skin doesn't crawl.

The fact of the matter is that the professors and the researchers are breaking no laws and should not be subject to the vigilante justice of another person's perceptions. Any rational mind would agree to that.

If someone thinks what they are doing is wrong than they should start lobbying local, state, and federal government to change the law and keep the protesting civilized.

Nobody should have to live in fear of another person or group of people.

Eco-terrorism is a very real form of terrorism when researchers home's are firebombed and a group of people intentionally threaten the safety of another group of people for the ideological goal of animal rights. That's what's been going on in the California.

If you have any doubts read the actual FBI news release:
http://sanfrancisco.fbi.gov/pr...
(unfortunately Will Potter did not accurately portray this story)

But protesting is still very much protected as long as you don't destroy property, forcibly cause financial damage, threaten, or harass individuals. Freedom of speech is still protected, anarchist behavior is not. Basically just remember to keep the "civil" in civil disobedience.

When in doubt ask yourself, what would Ghandi do?]]> 2009-02-25T08:27:36Z lucidstone@anonymous.disqus.net lucidstone 75.54.116.116 wp_id=201989;date=2009-02-25 08:20:23-05:00
I suggest you read today's post and the criminal complaint, and then take another look at these points.

First, for example, the individual researcher who you say was "assaulted" is described as "struggling" with activists, then being hit with some kind of object. Stop swallowing the FBI talking points hook, line and sinker.

Second, this isn't a case about violence, or the threat of violence. It's about speech. It's unclear whether the "assault" is being treated as the primary crime, or one crime among these other activities. However, since you seem to believe it is the focus of this case, the supporting evidence in both the press release and the complaint is First Amendment activity: chalking, protests, creating fliers. The fact that an alleged forced entry and assault took place does not negate the fact that it is First Amendment activity. It's truly chilling to think that you, and others, could treat this guilt by association as some kind of "objective" truth.

Third, you're missing the entire point of the AETA. Go back and read the Congressional hearing. (Not my testimony, but the words of the people behind this). Supporters weren't concerned with physical violence in that hearing, they were concerned with speech that instills "reasonable fear." The FBI is laying the groundwork to argue that these protests violate the "reasonable fear" clause of the AETA. The complaint links the activists to First Amendment activity, but not the actual crime you insist took place the way the FBI describes.

And comparing me to Fox News? Really? Among many differences, here is the most important: Fox news often has an opinion, or a bias, in favor of blindly following the government and people in power. My admitted "bias" is in favor of the First Amendment.]]> 2009-02-25T13:20:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.63.126.8 wp_id=202216;date=2009-02-25 20:57:24-05:00
I read the complaint report and I again think that you misrepresent the case.

Page4 section 11:
"Professor Number Eight's husband . . . heard and saw the door handle being twisted back and forth, and the door being pushed back and forth."

That's attempted forced entry.

"He opened the door and yelled and then struggled with one individual and was hit with a dark, firm object."

I'll grant that it is unclear who pushed who first. But they didn't run away without first allegedly hitting him with an object, violence.

"During the incident, one of the individuals yelled "we're gonna get you.""

This is a threat and is intimidation, plain and simple.

Also, if you look at page 4 section 8:

" . . . chalked defamatory comments"

"Defamation" is something people get sued for all the time and is not protected as freedom of speech.

"The individuals chanted slogans such as "nine ten eleven twelve vivisectors go to hell", "murderer leave town, terrorist leave town, animal abuser leave town", "what goes down comes around burn UC Berkeley vivisection to the ground", and "we will never back down until you stop your killing". "

All of these "slogans" are intimidation tactics and are not examples of peaceful protesting and intimidation is not protected under freedom of speech. "Burn UC Berkeley vivisection to the ground" is a threat of violence.

These 4 individuals were arrested for allegedly intentionally taking part in a campaign of intimidation and threat of violence for the purposes of advancing an ideological goal. I would define that as terrorism.

Now I would agree that the language in AETA has the possibility of blurring the lines between uncivil disobedience and terrorism; and, I understand and even agree with some of your concerns on that.

But, not in this case, and the arguments based on distorted facts you present detract from the very serious question of the scope of the AETA legislation (I think the Sea Shepherd is at serious risk here of being illegitimately labeled a terrorist group, though I don't agree with the Sea Shepherd's tactics or the glorifying of the Sea Shepherd by Animal Planet) .

I read the wording of the law and I read some of the hearings, though not all 107 pages. Yes, there is a potential problem here; but, I for one think that the "reasonable fear" clause is necessary in order to criminalize the level of intentional fear-mongering and intimidation done in the name of ideology.

My reaction to the FBI press release is the recognition of the proposed facts of the allegations. Unlike many, I treat them as facts that have yet to be proven true or false, but are still facts of the allegations.

Whether or not the 4 individuals are guilty of the allegations is something for the judicial system to decide. However, if the facts of the allegations prove true, then I would indeed think that this particular case was a campaign of intimidation and threat of violence for an ideological goal and correctly fits the following definition.

ter⋅ror⋅ism
–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

dictionary.com

Furthermore, if there was a peaceful campaign against vivisection and animal abuse, I would certainly lend my signature to a petition if asked. But, I would not support in any way the actions by an extremist group that engages in a campaign of intimidation, violence, or the threat of violence.

Also, thank you for posting links to all the legislation and legal documents. I think more people should look at the source of information and decide for themselves.]]> 2009-02-26T01:57:24Z lucidstone@anonymous.disqus.net lucidstone 75.54.116.116 wp_id=202235;date=2009-02-25 21:53:06-05:00
Fox News, in my opinion, is the worst mainstream offender of misrepresenting facts and providing slanted views in order to paint a desired picture. That's a nice way of describing propaganda.

MSNBC is very very close behind Fox News these days in painting desired pictures. The funny thing is, is that such a small percentage of the people that see the propaganda in Fox News sees the propaganda in MSNBC. Jon Stewart did a bit about MSNBC taking the reigns from Fox News in this regard that I think accurately describes this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

So if anything I'm making a comparison between this article and MSNBC.

Journalists, in my opinion, should first and foremost present the objective facts without misrepresentation. There's an editorial section in newspapers for a reason because it is important to keep a distinction between personal views and objective facts.

I respect the value you express on freedom of speech, and that value is evident because you allow me to post an opposing and critical view on the subject you're reporting as well as the method. That is definitely commendable and I'm also happy we are able to have a civilized discussion on these differences. I however, very much disagree with some of the things you are saying on both a factual level as well as on a personal opinion level.

I haven't read through all of your work on this subject, but I would be inclined to read an article where you draw the line in the sand between real eco-terrorism and protesting.

Whoever firebombed 2 of those professors' homes (whose names and addresses were on the threatening fliers distributed by those arrested) could clearly and legitimately be labeled an eco-terrorist. That should not be marginalized.

But, what about those that undergo a campaign of deliberate sabotage and destruction of property? How about those that undergo a deliberate campaign of intimidation and threat of violence? What about a campaign by people that "forcibly" cause the loss of revenue of a company? What about a campaign of criminal level of harassment?

When you incorporate political and ideological goals into any of these questions of organized criminal activity, the definition of terrorism is close at hand.

So my question is: where do YOU, Will Potter, draw the line between terrorism and protesting?]]> 2009-02-26T02:53:06Z lucidstone@anonymous.disqus.net lucidstone 75.54.116.116 wp_id=202298;date=2009-02-26 01:35:37-05:00
"Have your leaflets or chalk drawings ever threatened any individuals connected to what you’re protesting? If not then you are fine. The people arrested were arrested for taking protesting to a MILITANT level and are quite literally terrorizing people."

- Okay, well, without admitting blame for a lot of things that have happened specifically, yes.
But, if you take a moment and look back in time, things that happened not so long ago, not to make any assumptions that are too highly undeserved, I bet you are a middle class, white American; fitted perfectly with the rest of society.
I am from Native American descent, and am a member of the Leech Lake Band of Ojibwe, but I prefer Anishinaabe, which is the name that is ours.
The reason I mention your probably race and status is because you really don't know what it means to be "terrorized" by any means. Sure, 9/11, but that's something that was aimed at Americans as a whole. You really don't know what it's like to live after a long legacy of people that were beaten down by this country's forces, and then have to rise up from the ashes of our nation and live your life.
I struggle a lot with my culture and the beliefs that I have adopted since my introduction into animal rights and environmental activism. I balance veganism with my traditional culture, which is hard to do.
There hasn't been any struggle, therefore, I believe you lack the ability to care about things as strongly such as animal and environmental rights. I don't expect you to understand, but what place do you have telling people what they can and can't do?

"One sentence you wrote troubled me: “Sure, the professors are probably fearing for themselves, but they wouldn’t be in that problem if they weren’t doing such things in the first place, right?”
Substitute “professors” with “abortion clinic workers” or any other person “perceived” of doing wrong, like “atheists” or “gays” if you had a southern baptist mentality. Then read it again and tell me if your skin doesn’t crawl."

- Were any of these people that were arrested causing any harm to the people targeted? If you want to argue, keep it with the facts that are already on the table and that are applicable.

"The fact of the matter is that the professors and the researchers are breaking no laws and should not be subject to the vigilante justice of another person’s perceptions. Any rational mind would agree to that."

- I agree - but people have the right to protest, right? Thanks to the wonderful Constitution of the United States of America... One which many say they're trying to preserve, but still, basic rights come last when it's something that is questioning the system of the majority. It's fear of change, common, but unfair to the people who really believe in their cause. People moved to America so that they could have "freedom"; the first amendment is supposed to protect that right. What we are seeing now, like Will was saying is the absence of that protection.
The founders of this country fought long and hard to be free; that also includes the rights of those who oppose the majority. If we want to talk about the land of the free, we should be able to stand tall and defend those who oppose the government, and the rules that are imposed on everyone.

"If someone thinks what they are doing is wrong than they should start lobbying local, state, and federal government to change the law and keep the protesting civilized."

- Were the people arrested that were doing things listed in this topic, being uncivil in any manner? Lobbying doesn't work, unless you have some sort of special interest, which is what I've encountered just in my school.
I know, it's considered terrorism now.. or something like that, but I think the only real way to get your opinion heard is through direct action, but I'll stop there....

"Nobody should have to live in fear of another person or group of people."

- Why should the so-called "eco-terrorists" live in fear of being prosecuted for what they believe in?
That's essentially what's happening with this Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act.

"When in doubt ask yourself, what would Ghandi do?"

- Look at your posts and tell me that Ghandi would agree with you.. Just a thought...]]> 2009-02-26T06:35:37Z nativexyouth@riseup.net Rose 75.161.150.189 wp_id=202545;date=2009-02-26 16:48:51-05:00
Gandhi taught that "peaceful" demonstration and pacifism are the correct paths for activists. He taught that "anger" was the enemy of non-violence.

Please read for yourself
http://www.brainyquote.com/quo...

Gandhi, I believe, would be sad to see the methods used by "some" animal rights activists, including the actions of those arrested. (provided that the allegations prove true).

If your leaflets and chalk drawings are threatening people, like you indicated, then that's the end of story. That is wrong. You must stop threatening other people, or face possible prosecution for violating another persons rights.

Freedom of speech does not give you, or anyone, the right to use speech that intentionally threatens another, period. No cultural history justifies this, nothing justifies this.

My race and ethnicity, as well as yours or anyone's, are completely unrelated and irrelevant to this particular subject. The truth is the truth, regardless of race, color, or creed and the contents of the article above distorts the truth of the criminal and violent nature surrounding the allegations.

"Defamation" is also illegal and has never been protected as freedom of speech. This is something that most activists do not understand and would do well to familiarize with in order to avoid legal trouble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...

If you are an individual that willfully and intentionally infringes on the legal rights of another, than you will be subjected to the law. If "eco-terrorists" fall into that category than they should expect to be treated by the laws as such.

Anyone that breaks the law and violates another's rights should be prosecuted by the law. If that gives you reason to "fear" the law, then you should reevaluate your chosen path of actions, as they may be entirely unjust.

In regards to the sentence that troubled me:
“Sure, the professors are probably fearing for themselves, but they wouldn’t be in that problem if they weren’t doing such things in the first place, right?”

What troubled me was the mentality and the rationality behind this sentence. The same sentence could be used to justify the oppression of anyone "perceived" of doing wrong.

And yes, if the allegations prove true, the 4 individuals arrested were oppressing, threatening, intimidating, coercing the researchers and professors. That is harmful.

The idea that these researchers and professors are evil, so it's ok to threaten, coerce, and intimidate them . . . is wrong. If this philosophy was allowed to stand, than all the right wingers would be justified in threatening, coercing, intimidating every one they "perceived" to be evil. I would dread to see the day when this is acceptable behavior.

No one person should ever have to live in fear of another.

It is wrong what many of the anti-abortion activists did and it is wrong what many of the animal rights activists are doing.

Do not intentionally threaten, intimidate, harass, or coerce individuals. If you do these things in the name of political/ideological goal, than that by the very definition of the word, is terrorism.

But please don't take my word, read it for yourself:
http://dictionary.reference.co...

If you don't think this description of actions apply to the allegations against the 4 that were arrested, then PLEASE read the complaint report yourself with an unbiased eye.

I strongly feel that this particular case has been grossly misrepresented on this site.

FBI official complaint report of the allegations:
http://www.greenisthenewred.co...

Furthermore, a protest is supposed to influence public opinion in a public place. Protests outside an individual's private home does neither and only serves to harass the individual and his/her family.

There is currently the loophole that the sidewalk is public property, but I feel this exploits the letter of the law and should be changed.

Everything being said, I personally hope that animal rights activists can bring about legislation to further limit and prohibit animal cruelty in a peaceful manner.]]> 2009-02-26T21:48:51Z lucidstone@anonymous.disqus.net lucidstone 75.54.116.116 wp_id=202546;date=2009-02-26 16:58:11-05:00 http://www.greenisthenewred.co...

(silly "i" in images was case sensitive)]]> 2009-02-26T21:58:11Z lucidstone@anonymous.disqus.net lucidstone 75.54.116.116 wp_id=202582;date=2009-02-26 19:13:58-05:00
(By the way. I LOVE how you cited Wikipedia as your source of information.)

"If your leaflets and chalk drawings are threatening people, like you indicated, then that’s the end of story. That is wrong. You must stop threatening other people, or face possible prosecution for violating another persons rights."

-- Just a thought. What about my rights as an individual? I haven't told people to harm the people in my "protests," I was just simply belaying the information that is already available. When I give out public knowledge, is that wrong?

"Furthermore, a protest is supposed to influence public opinion in a public place. Protests outside an individual’s private home does neither and only serves to harass the individual and his/her family."

-- But, it is my right to let them know my opinion. In the past, letter writing, and other such means are not effective. Especially in the system the U.S. has. You need money and privilege to get what you want, since I have neither, I am at a loss.
My "protests" have all been peaceful, but as I look at the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, I see similarities between myself and my beliefs and what they call "terrorism." I do not consider myself a terrorist, I simply believe that there are alternatives to the set rules that have ruled the majority.
While not condoning civil injustices that have happened in the past, I only see the future in a bleak sense if there is not direct action to rid the world of such.. well, for lack of the word, injustices done to both human beings and animals.

I used to go into Downtown St. Paul and would have to pass people protesting outside one of the area's hospitals, holding signs that say there are murderers inside, and "babies are killed here."
Should they be also subjected to these terrorist laws? I felt in danger for myself as I'd enter, seeing as I had very different beliefs and didn't know what people would think of me. One person even stopped and talked to me and told me outright that I was going to hell. Not much different than those arrested in California.

You said:
"The idea that these researchers and professors are evil, so it’s ok to threaten, coerce, and intimidate them . . . is wrong. If this philosophy was allowed to stand, than all the right wingers would be justified in threatening, coercing, intimidating every one they “perceived” to be evil. I would dread to see the day when this is acceptable behavior."

-- My upset is mostly with the things that are happening with this country. That is where MY passion stems. Honestly, I think the day is here that there is serious back up from the government, even as we have transitioned into an extreme liberal president.

On a final note: I apologize for bringing up the race factor, but it is often a prime factor in these kinds of topics, but you still haven't said anything about what gives you right to criticize the actions of others.

A quote from Ghandi, that you may want to keep in mind as well:
"Truth never damages a cause that is just."]]> 2009-02-27T00:13:58Z nativexyouth@riseup.net Rose 75.161.154.185 wp_id=202990;date=2009-02-27 21:04:57-05:00
why are you so worried about the humans terrorizing and killing living feeling animals? Here is what you wrote: "No one person should ever have to live in fear of another."

HOW ABOUT THIS? NO ANIMAL SHOULD EVER HAVE TO LIVE IN FEAR OF A HUMAN. The terrorists in the labs, fur concentration camps, factory farm concentration camps, etc are the ones in need of jail and such.]]> 2009-02-28T02:04:57Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 74.66.224.67 wp_id=203025;date=2009-02-27 22:58:18-05:00
I also find it hilarious that this person (whomever he/she is) is arguing with a teenager about this.]]> 2009-02-28T03:58:18Z nativexyouth@riseup.net Rose 75.161.139.107 wp_id=203660;date=2009-03-01 20:25:28-05:00 Hehe, my Scottish and Kiwi friends say "wanker" . . . and every time it makes me giggle inside. The premise of your argument depends solely on the anthropomorphizing of animal minds. Without citing empirical data, your argument is baseless.

Furthermore, it's worth noting that in the animal kingdom animals live in "fear" of other animals all the time. Also, many animals have displayed characteristics and behaviors that I would describe as "cruel". (ever see a chimpanzee troupe go on a war party against a rival tribe? Or how about a killer whale that plays with the body of a seal like it's a beach ball? Or animals that eat their prey before killing them?) However, this is not a justification of animal cruelty, just a basic fact of the world.

@ Rose

Thank you for:
“Truth never damages a cause that is just.” -Gandhi

This exactly portrays what is wrong with this article. Protection against animal cruelty and protection of freedom of speech are BOTH just causes; HOWEVER, this article distorts the TRUTH about the allegations. That quote is perfect, I wish Will Potter would remember that.

I used wikipedia for the LEGAL description of "defamation", a topic in itself that is not disputed . . . but if we are actually going to be that critical about sources than here:

http://www.expertlaw.com/libra...

(it serves mentioning that nowhere in your lengthy rebuttals have you provided a source of your own, other than your personal feelings)

All of your arguments have been based on blurring the lines between peaceful legitimate protests and activities that violate the rights of another. There is a very real distinction here, and the case surrounding these 4 individuals is based on that distinction. It would be a benefit for all activists to understand this.

You simply don't have the right to threaten and criminally harass another human being. Period.

Also, the race factor is NEVER a "prime factor" in discussions of the principles of legitimate activism. These principles are transcendental across all of humanity.

You have made a lot of assumptions about me. First of my race and ethnicity having never been persecuted. Then of my own life experiences of being a cookie cutter member of society that has never been personally oppressed under long periods of time by the surrounding community. And finally, of my age.

You have been wrong on all three counts.

It is irrelevant, but if it serves to shed any light on my perspective then personally I'm 26 and I have traveled far more than anyone else I've grown up with. I have talked to and made friends with people from every walk of life, from wealthy to impoverished and scientist to free form hippies, and have personal friends from various corners of the world.

5 coast to coast road trips and having lived as a ski bum in an international location can do wonders for opening up the doors of the world. Having made international friends and having access to an international buddy pass on Continental, my passport is well used.

In regards to current Native American culture, I have been to the Blackfeet Indian reservation of Montana and I am very good friends with a now 40 year old Native American in Nevada (like every other day hanging out and helping out with the construction of his backyard, i do not recommend operating a wet saw for cutting stone pavers while drunk). He personally thinks reservations are currently the greatest detriment to the prosperity of Native Americans. I personally happen to agree with him as I see reservations as self segregation and a continuance of the economic and social disparity.

In short, I have a rather broad perspective and I look at life through both a rational and unemotional lens that gives me clarity and an emotional lens that gives me understanding. Personally, I can switch these lenses at will.

Judging from the thought processes you demonstrated I would surmise that you see life primarily through an emotional lens, and are unaware of how it skews rational thought.

I think it's because of these fixed lenses that some people don't want to or are unable to understand and appreciate an opposing point of view.

I for one will never be able to appreciate a point of view that isn't grounded in rational thought, even though I understand it. And I recognize this as a potential limitation in myself.

Now the question remains, at the end of this lengthy reply, do you appreciate and understand the intricacies to the arguments further up above? The part that is actually relevant to the discussion of the article, that is.]]> 2009-03-02T01:25:28Z lucidstone@anonymous.disqus.net lucidstone 76.252.164.3 wp_id=203662;date=2009-03-01 20:42:07-05:00
Not ALL opinions are created equal.

Some are created on emotion, some are created on false or distorted premises, and some are created on objective viewpoints supported by objective evidence.

Some are created by rational thought processes. Some others are not.

There is a very broad spectrum here with many different beginnings and properties.

So, no. Not ALL opinions are created equal.

Think about how yours are created.]]> 2009-03-02T01:42:07Z lucidstone@anonymous.disqus.net lucidstone 76.252.164.3 wp_id=203973;date=2009-03-03 00:04:18-05:00 I really don't care.

I realize I haven't cited anything in my "lengthy rebuttals" but really? The most I've done with that is my stupid essays for class on subject matters far less complicated than this matter. When I read through, I don't see any need to cite anything, as you are attacking the way I think and word things. What do you want me to do, cite my brain?

My opinions may have been based on something that you personally don't agree with, but I have a deep faith in my beliefs; something a lot of 18 year old's (at least a lot of the one's I know) can't say. I think I have the ability to think rather objectively, but if your argument is that my beliefs are all emotionally based. I'm a teenager, what do you think my life is based on?

But still, if you read the article. it clearly states, and I'll quote:

"At issue here is not the validity or morality of animal research, nor is it the efficacy of controversial tactics. Differences of opinion on those issues no longer matter. What’s at issue is whether the War on Terrorism should be used to target protesters as terrorists."

As for my rights. You still haven't said anything on what gives you right to address the way I live MY life and the way I think. I don't even know you. I have not criticized your belief systems. YOU have become the terrorist here, in a sense. It's really been me just arguing back on something you either misinterpreted, or took the wrong way. It all goes back to what you think about mine, and others' opinions when it comes to the the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act.

On a final note: There still is a pretty big age gap. Maybe my lack or worldliness has had an effect on my perceptions of things, and since you *obviously* have that, that's another difference.
You have also made assumptions about me as well; it's true I haven't traveled 20 million countries and have friends all over the world. But, just take a look back 8 years and tell me that you would be able to recover from attacks on your beliefs as I have.]]> 2009-03-03T05:04:18Z nativexyouth@riseup.net Rose 75.161.156.161 wp_id=204076;date=2009-03-03 10:04:21-05:00
I don't think your age has anything at all to do with it. The fact that you're in high school and are able to put together a more logical, even-handed response these people attacking you says much more about them than it does about you. Keep posting! Best, Will]]> 2009-03-03T15:04:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=204404;date=2009-03-04 15:10:27-05:00 2009-03-04T20:10:27Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com Anonymous 98.233.33.140 wp_id=217546;date=2009-04-16 02:39:42-04:00 2009-04-16T06:39:42Z anonin@yahoo.com Anonymous 71.236.220.114 wp_id=230107;date=2009-10-22 12:57:03-04:00 2009-10-22T16:57:03Z rightauk@sisqtel.net Flu-Bird 198.68.23.175 wp_id=230348;date=2009-10-26 18:37:07-04:00 2009-10-26T22:37:07Z sarangpjh@dreamwiz.com David 173.66.228.254 wp_id=231064;date=2009-11-05 21:51:20-05:00
Oh, wait... Trying to claim right-wing groups as terrorists (such as the leaked DHS memo earlier this year) gets the whole country up in arms. Can't have any of that. I guess they'll just stick with the groups that are guilty of nothing more than property damage and let the real murderers go about their business.]]> 2009-11-06T02:51:20Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.66.139 wp_id=232390;date=2009-11-29 14:30:05-05:00
I would say that animal rights protesters and their supporters seem to come dangerously close to treating animals as if they are equal to humans, but as they honestly seem to believe that I will take a different tack.

It has been said that these professors who practice vivisection ( a process I find cruel and unnecessary) deserve direct intimidation because of what they have done. So, taking the assumption that humans and animals are equal, suppose you were to have a chicken which developed the cruel and unusual habit of laying its eggs on the heads of whatever animal walked underneath it. (this is of course a free range chicken, so its doing so from on top of your hay bales) What do you do to it?
booby trap the bale so that it explodes when it next tries its trick? Drop eggs on its head repeatedly until it gets the message?
follow it around and point a gun at it?
or just tell it off every time you catch it?

Were you to also keep a cat, which one day approached the hens and killed a brood of chicks. What do you do then?

bringing this back to the point, these arrests are quite possibly justified, but the declaration of these people as "terrorists" is misleading. However, protests hold no force unless the people who are being protested against feel they have something that is being threatened by these people, be it sales revenue or votes. But individuals who work at locations shouldn't be threatened; its not effective. It just reduces the value of the argument in they eyes of those being threatened.]]> 2009-11-29T19:30:05Z lilicosbm@shrewsbury.org.uk Stephen 217.154.31.71 wp_id=201227;date=2009-02-23 10:49:38-05:00 2009-02-23T15:49:38Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.142.27.37 wp_id=201238;date=2009-02-23 11:30:36-05:00 2009-02-23T16:30:36Z jboquiren@comcast.net Joseph Boquiren 76.105.242.156 wp_id=201287;date=2009-02-23 14:21:59-05:00 2009-02-23T19:21:59Z teresa@anonymous.disqus.net teresa 98.227.70.12 wp_id=201309;date=2009-02-23 15:26:35-05:00 Covering your face symbolizes that the movement isn't about individual aspirations but collective self-interest.

In addition to practical reasons, this is why the ezln commonly wear masks.]]> 2009-02-23T20:26:35Z woodb20@gmail.com ezlnwv 67.221.102.214 wp_id=201319;date=2009-02-23 15:46:40-05:00 2009-02-23T20:46:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201320;date=2009-02-23 15:53:35-05:00
But keep in mind, they don't just identify by your face, try to wear as generic as possible clothing, even (especially?) shoes, as lots of cops and feds will photograph your clothes, tattoos, shoes, etc. to attempt to identify you.

At our local outdoor Veg fest (our very legal, out door vegitarian/vegan awareness festival) the cops are regularly on top of the library shooting photos, and on the ground with us with their famous 'camcorder-on-a-stick's Protect yourself, I've known too many activists disheartened by harrassment from feds. [Reason #7. Solidarity]]]> 2009-02-23T20:53:35Z andrew_xvx@anonymous.disqus.net Andrew XVX 67.40.109.194 wp_id=201327;date=2009-02-23 16:24:24-05:00
Here's a solution:
Go to a theatrical supply and pick up wigs, beards, false teeth, nose and other facial prosthetics, and any other supplies needed to change your physical appearance to make yourself look BELIEVABLE but unrecognizable. Masks?...we don't need no stinking masks!

If activists have nothing to hide...
How many people are behind bars today, which fell for this same ploy when arrested?: "If you have nothing to hide--if you're innocent--then you shouldn't need to speak with a lawyer, do you now want to waive your right and talk to us?"...Cops, including border agents, DOJ, FBI, ICE, NSA and hundreds of other newly minted militant enforcers, given rights under the Patriot Act, are now pushing the envelope even further and routinely telling individuals which they detain, that they have NO RIGHT TO A LAWYER. Law enforcement not only continues to IGNORE existing laws but increasingly and conveniently MAKE UP THEIR OWN as suits the occasion! If cops are going to continue to insist that you are guilty until proven innocent, and deny basic Miranda Rights, then one needs to operate under the same assumptions as that of a soldier taken captive behind enemy lines--say nothing.]]> 2009-02-23T21:24:24Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.217.255 wp_id=201339;date=2009-02-23 17:04:44-05:00 http://burnedbookspublishing.b...

However, I disagree that activists should cover their faces. Just as corporations and government have always tried to intimidate activists and silence free speech - we expect that from them - activists have a long tradition of standing up to corporate and government intimidation and of showing NO FEAR in the face of these age old intimidation tactics. If you have to be afraid to show your face when engaging in peaceful, constitutional, legal protests then the corporate and government intimidation has won, and free speech is at its end!

If free speech in modern America requires disguises and covert techniques then OUR constitutionally free speech is no different then the free speech that citizens in any totalitarian society is allowed. Why give in to that?

This is America, we have a right to say what we think free from government intimidation.

In response to government intimidation I say my name is John Storhm, I am easy to find. I will not hide and I will not live in fear!]]> 2009-02-23T22:04:44Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=201360;date=2009-02-23 18:26:48-05:00 2009-02-23T23:26:48Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.217.255 wp_id=201437;date=2009-02-23 22:51:29-05:00 2009-02-24T03:51:29Z dont_forget@anonymous.disqus.net Don't forget 76.83.31.146 wp_id=201445;date=2009-02-23 23:17:09-05:00 I saw this a couple of years ago and thought it was brilliant.
http://how2dostuff.blogspot.co...]]> 2009-02-24T04:17:09Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 186.15.49.17 wp_id=201457;date=2009-02-24 00:06:51-05:00
the moths all fly to the flame eh?]]> 2009-02-24T05:06:51Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 68.32.161.227 wp_id=201491;date=2009-02-24 02:21:01-05:00 2009-02-24T07:21:01Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 75.85.3.108 wp_id=201492;date=2009-02-24 02:21:32-05:00 2009-02-24T07:21:32Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 75.85.3.108 wp_id=201635;date=2009-02-24 11:16:11-05:00 2009-02-24T16:16:11Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.25.101 wp_id=201640;date=2009-02-24 11:27:23-05:00 Ha ha. Welcome to my world!]]> 2009-02-24T16:27:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201641;date=2009-02-24 11:28:02-05:00 America's Next Top Model, terrorist edition.]]> 2009-02-24T16:28:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201694;date=2009-02-24 14:46:19-05:00 It could just be called "America's Next Top Domestic Terrorist Threat"]]> 2009-02-24T19:46:19Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.25.101 wp_id=201702;date=2009-02-24 15:22:35-05:00 2009-02-24T20:22:35Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 208.58.97.137 wp_id=201711;date=2009-02-24 15:47:34-05:00
Perfect! I think we have the idea for a new video series for the website.]]> 2009-02-24T20:47:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201713;date=2009-02-24 15:55:55-05:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v... and it is amazing.]]> 2009-02-24T20:55:55Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.25.101 wp_id=201871;date=2009-02-25 00:50:30-05:00 2009-02-25T05:50:30Z ztk2006@gmail.com Coyote 70.177.21.51 wp_id=201906;date=2009-02-25 03:00:57-05:00 2009-02-25T08:00:57Z betinho@riseup.net John 70.165.40.132 wp_id=202119;date=2009-02-25 15:58:13-05:00
http://ztk2006.deviantart.com/...

Download, print, post! Or make your own, of course.]]> 2009-02-25T20:58:13Z ztk2006@gmail.com Coyote 70.177.21.51 wp_id=202446;date=2009-02-26 11:01:51-05:00 Glad you liked the post. I should make clear to folks viewing the flier, though, that I wasn't saying that activists should wear masks, but that here are some reasons why they might and why it's not evidence of criminal activity.]]> 2009-02-26T16:01:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=203189;date=2009-02-28 10:06:44-05:00 2009-02-28T15:06:44Z ztk2006@gmail.com Coyote 70.177.21.51 wp_id=204444;date=2009-03-04 18:37:07-05:00 2009-03-04T23:37:07Z info@narn.org NARN 69.71.181.30 wp_id=206046;date=2009-03-10 11:09:41-04:00 2009-03-10T15:09:41Z brendawalkingbear@yahoo.com brendawalkingbear 66.231.222.226 wp_id=207660;date=2009-03-16 05:26:04-04:00 FYI Many of the brands of tear gas the police buy contain compounds that are known mutogenics.
So I doubly agree with at least BRINGING a mask/breathing apparatus & vision protective equipment. After all, you don't necessarily have to use it.
BTW Have you ever considered the fact that we are laying out our tactics, social concerns and possible psychological weaknesses for our enemies' absorption, right here in public? I do want to help and I don't agree with being afraid- FEAR is the #1 weapon of the ESTABLISHMENT- I'm just saying that we should be careful to some degree... Signed,
Despite Society]]> 2009-03-16T09:26:04Z x8137@yahoo.com Tear gas and cap stun 209.152.45.3 wp_id=201617;date=2009-02-24 10:09:42-05:00 2009-02-24T15:09:42Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=201621;date=2009-02-24 10:28:20-05:00 The incident in the FBI press release has not been attributed to these activists. The FBI release lists an alleged incident at a protest, and says these activists were among others at that protest, and that a "struggle ensued" (the FBI doesn' t say if the defendants were in that struggle) and then someone yelled "We're gonna get you" (the FBI doesn't say the defendants yelled that). The entire purpose of the FBI throwing around vague allegations like this, without evidence, is to make people jump to conclusions. Don't fall into that trap. If that information comes out in court, fine. But again, I'm not going to keep repeating the unsubstantiated claims of the FBI. There are too many other people doing that.]]> 2009-02-24T15:28:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201636;date=2009-02-24 11:19:05-05:00 You are right it does not say who yelled but it does say that 3 of the 4 arrested did try to forcibly enter the home while people were there, who knows what they had in mind if they got in.]]> 2009-02-24T16:19:05Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=201655;date=2009-02-24 12:25:38-05:00 Not that it wouldn't be terrifying if five to six individuals knocked on my door and were angry at me... but I wouldn't call it terrorism.

No one ever called the KKK terrorism... and their tactics were a lot more direct and more often violent than these movements.]]> 2009-02-24T17:25:38Z thesnakegoddess@yahoo.com Bethany 138.9.29.82 wp_id=201677;date=2009-02-24 13:53:03-05:00
To do away with the AETA would mean we should also do away with all hate crime laws.]]> 2009-02-24T18:53:03Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=201680;date=2009-02-24 14:02:34-05:00
If this activity is terrorism, then, logically, klan activity certainly is. And if murdering and lynching people is NOT terrorism then, logically, neither is this. Either way, it's hypocritical and offensive to be more concerned about non-violent animal rights activists than you are about racists who have murdered people.]]> 2009-02-24T19:02:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201707;date=2009-02-24 15:41:02-05:00
Terrorism is defined as "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes." this is what animal rights activist who cross the line are guilty of....terrorism.]]> 2009-02-24T20:41:02Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=201712;date=2009-02-24 15:49:51-05:00 You've completely avoided my point. Again, if you believe these activities of animal rights activists are "terrorism," then a logical person would infer that infinitely more extreme tactics for political purposes (lynching, murder, raping, all of which the klan have done) would have to be terrorism as well. To parse one out is to admit the blatant political game of this War on Terrorism: it's not about tactics, it's about beliefs.]]> 2009-02-24T20:49:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201755;date=2009-02-24 18:11:59-05:00 2009-02-24T23:11:59Z betinho@riseup.net John 70.165.40.132 wp_id=201761;date=2009-02-24 18:22:58-05:00 2009-02-24T23:22:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=201769;date=2009-02-24 18:49:00-05:00 2009-02-24T23:49:00Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=201776;date=2009-02-24 19:27:06-05:00
When one uses violence or threats there of to stop a legal enterprise or force poltical change, they are a terrorist.

Is that clear enough little stephen asshole or do you need me to send you a copy of Webster?]]> 2009-02-25T00:27:06Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=201784;date=2009-02-24 19:48:58-05:00 2009-02-25T00:48:58Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=201803;date=2009-02-24 20:48:37-05:00 But it never is, and never will be (excuse my pessimism), because it's easier for our government to live with racism than it is to live with the corporations that line their pockets being challenged for any reason at all.

If anyone is guilty of “the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes," I would say it is the FBI.]]> 2009-02-25T01:48:37Z bethany@anonymous.disqus.net Bethany 138.9.29.82 wp_id=201815;date=2009-02-24 21:30:25-05:00 2009-02-25T02:30:25Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=201822;date=2009-02-24 21:46:39-05:00 2009-02-25T02:46:39Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=201846;date=2009-02-24 23:23:11-05:00
Yes, Will, it's time be afraid--and those in this country who 'get it' are VERY afraid. What's just as strange and frightening, are the people posting comments on this site that are so irretrievably, historically illiterate, blind or perhaps overwhelmingly stupid, who continue to spar with you over the definition of terrorism, as freedom takes a glorious slide down the shitter. I image they will be among the first herded into those nice detention, er, FEMA camps the gov't already has ready and waiting...or perhaps you have a few FBI agents among those commenting here, just trying to stir the pot?]]> 2009-02-25T04:23:11Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.209.253 wp_id=201848;date=2009-02-24 23:26:27-05:00 2009-02-25T04:26:27Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=201853;date=2009-02-24 23:48:17-05:00 The Tiananmen Square demonstrators.
The Boston Tea Party participants.
Mahatma Gandhi and his followers.
World War II resistance fighters.
The Polish Solidarity Movement.
Vietnam War draft card burners.
You are an agent of the evil empire, when you and your kind have twisted and warped the definition of terrorism into uselessness, you will be consigned to the dustbin of history.]]> 2009-02-25T04:48:17Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=201862;date=2009-02-25 00:15:07-05:00
Will, I'm sorry I missed you when you were speaking in Philly recently, but hopefully you'll get a chance to come back before you get charged with facilitating encouragement to incite conspiracy or what-the-fuck-ever.]]> 2009-02-25T05:15:07Z marinecorpse666@gmail.com Carcass 98.140.111.240 wp_id=202156;date=2009-02-25 18:07:03-05:00 The upside is that Joe is responsible for re-igniting my activist spirit. I'd grown apathetic, but now I'm back in the fight.]]> 2009-02-25T23:07:03Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=202169;date=2009-02-25 18:46:37-05:00 World War II resistance fighters.
The Polish Solidarity Movement.
Vietnam War draft card burners.
What do they all have in common?.....HUMAN RIGHTS

How dare you equate yourself to them. You are a small minded, small group of people who terrorize researchers, and others engaged in LEGAL activities. As for me being the evil empire all I can say to that is I am the only person here who as ever done anything to actually help the environment.]]> 2009-02-25T23:46:37Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=202178;date=2009-02-25 19:01:35-05:00
And "LEGAL" activities? Gandhi? Resistance fighters? Draft card burners? Um, try again. All of them were very much breaking the law.]]> 2009-02-26T00:01:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.60.203 wp_id=202190;date=2009-02-25 19:33:23-05:00 2009-02-26T00:33:23Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=202540;date=2009-02-26 16:42:30-05:00 2009-02-26T21:42:30Z baily2@optonline.net matt 66.173.244.30 wp_id=203438;date=2009-03-01 01:52:59-05:00 2009-03-01T06:52:59Z jblow55555@yahoo.com pub 68.12.184.141 wp_id=203440;date=2009-03-01 01:54:13-05:00 2009-03-01T06:54:13Z jblow55555@yahoo.com pub 68.12.184.141 wp_id=205881;date=2009-03-09 18:29:34-04:00
Why not? I have the right to freedom of associaton. Those 'criminals' are good company, and I am worthy of such flattery. If it makes you uncomfortable you can stand alone.]]> 2009-03-09T22:29:34Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=216824;date=2009-04-11 14:27:20-04:00 2009-04-11T18:27:20Z roseray@greenconsciousness.org Greenconsciousness 24.241.234.225 wp_id=216955;date=2009-04-12 11:21:11-04:00 2009-04-12T15:21:11Z roseray@greenconsciousness.org Greenconsciousness 24.241.234.225 wp_id=217175;date=2009-04-13 18:31:05-04:00
I've been very sick. It is published.]]> 2009-04-13T22:31:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=225779;date=2009-08-07 03:58:57-04:00 2009-08-07T07:58:57Z derp@anonymous.disqus.net Derp 68.80.183.171 wp_id=202019;date=2009-02-25 10:05:11-05:00 2009-02-25T15:05:11Z badgie523@gmail.com Meg 76.199.139.111 wp_id=202020;date=2009-02-25 10:06:30-05:00 2009-02-25T15:06:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=202030;date=2009-02-25 10:34:51-05:00 2009-02-25T15:34:51Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.138.191 wp_id=202038;date=2009-02-25 11:04:51-05:00
1) If the protesters were doing something illegal, why didn't police arrest them during the protest? During at least one protest cops were there.

2) Many, many law-enforcement agencies throughout the country have complained that they don't have enough staff/money to conduct DNA tests (on rapes and murders) in a timely manner. Some evidence sits on shelves for years, in fact -- with the statute of limitations for the rape cases expiring. (NPR recently did a story on that.) But the FBI is able to get DNA tests done on bandannas that were used in a measly protest? (Ok, I see you mentioned this angle -- excellent. :) )

3) The AETA is bullshit.]]> 2009-02-25T16:04:51Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=202053;date=2009-02-25 11:57:07-05:00 Seriously -- if "forcible entry" really happened, why weren't they arrested on the spot? The whole thing is a sham.]]> 2009-02-25T16:57:07Z alex@greenoptions.com Alex 71.202.112.5 wp_id=202143;date=2009-02-25 17:13:12-05:00 2009-02-25T22:13:12Z kymberowenslmt@hotmail.com Kymber 66.233.166.159 wp_id=202172;date=2009-02-25 18:52:05-05:00 2009-02-25T23:52:05Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=202174;date=2009-02-25 18:52:30-05:00 "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "


Did I miss the part where it says one can trespass on private property, break and enter and commit assault?]]> 2009-02-25T23:52:30Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=202177;date=2009-02-25 19:00:08-05:00 2009-02-26T00:00:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.60.203 wp_id=202179;date=2009-02-25 19:01:57-05:00 2009-02-26T00:01:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.60.203 wp_id=202180;date=2009-02-25 19:02:13-05:00 2009-02-26T00:02:13Z cyeager@wisc.edu Cere 96.42.45.114 wp_id=202181;date=2009-02-25 19:05:13-05:00 That's an excellent point. And actually, Tracy at DiggingThroughTheDirt had a great post on the arrests that has some interesting links on that topic.
http://diggingthroughthedirt.b...]]> 2009-02-26T00:05:13Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.60.203 wp_id=202186;date=2009-02-25 19:21:09-05:00 2009-02-26T00:21:09Z heh@hhhaoo.com m0pe 72.208.61.217 wp_id=202189;date=2009-02-25 19:30:47-05:00 2009-02-26T00:30:47Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=202226;date=2009-02-25 21:27:34-05:00 2009-02-26T02:27:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.60.203 wp_id=202251;date=2009-02-25 22:42:49-05:00 http://www.indybay.org/newsite...]]> 2009-02-26T03:42:49Z dietrich65@hotmail.com Lottie 68.6.39.59 wp_id=202297;date=2009-02-26 01:32:58-05:00 None of this is new to be honest, as unfortunate as that is. In fact even the term Green scare is almost misleading, cause historically there has always been these types of tactics used by the state against anarchists (and other dissidents), just before anarchists and communists were "Reds" now many anarchists and other enviromental radicals are considered more "greens"]]> 2009-02-26T06:32:58Z prideandunity@hotmail.com Comrade Black 24.68.250.210 wp_id=202363;date=2009-02-26 05:29:39-05:00 2009-02-26T10:29:39Z claws__@hotmail.com s 62.56.80.118 wp_id=202995;date=2009-02-27 21:14:31-05:00 Brainless
Idiots.]]> 2009-02-28T02:14:31Z wolfie@anonymous.disqus.net Wolfie 74.66.224.67 wp_id=203927;date=2009-03-02 20:09:00-05:00 L lighting
F fires]]> 2009-03-03T01:09:00Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=205021;date=2009-03-06 18:44:50-05:00 Off
Extraordinaire]]> 2009-03-06T23:44:50Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com R. Mueller 98.233.33.140 wp_id=208487;date=2009-03-18 21:26:23-04:00 2009-03-19T01:26:23Z r.z@cats999.org Roger Zynth 76.99.57.202 wp_id=213664;date=2009-04-01 11:05:07-04:00
"On February 24, 2008, five to six individuals including Mr. Pope, Ms. Stumpo, and Ms. Khajavi, attempted to forcibly enter the private home of a University of California researcher in Santa Cruz. When her husband opened the door, a struggle ensued and he was hit by an object. As the individuals fled, one yelled, “We’re gonna get you.” The professor and her husband both told the FBI they were terrified by the incident".

If a jury finds them guilty there will not be any public sympathy for their permanent felony records and jail time, except of course among the "animal rights" groupies.]]> 2009-04-01T15:05:07Z not_mr_greenjeans@anonymous.disqus.net Not Mr. GreenJeans 98.169.223.197 wp_id=213671;date=2009-04-01 11:31:36-04:00
That's incorrect. You're quoting the criminal complaint. The actual indictment does NOT list that incident, and the defendants are not accused of anything related to that incident. Read it here:
http://www.greenisthenewred.co.../]]> 2009-04-01T15:31:36Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=217009;date=2009-04-12 19:58:31-04:00 2009-04-12T23:58:31Z roseray@greenconsciousness.org Greenconsciousness 24.241.234.225 wp_id=217012;date=2009-04-12 20:01:03-04:00 2009-04-13T00:01:03Z roseray@greenconsciousness.org Greenconsciousness 24.241.234.225 wp_id=217174;date=2009-04-13 18:30:26-04:00 2009-04-13T22:30:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=221891;date=2009-06-02 12:52:31-04:00 2009-06-02T16:52:31Z jessekilledyou@yahoo.com Jesse Bink 24.39.105.242 wp_id=202806;date=2009-02-27 09:47:25-05:00
My god, sometimes I even wear a bandanna when it's cold out! Double my terrorist points!!

What needs to happen is for people to BE UNAFRAID to come out and join those who are standing up to {insert murdering, raping corporate scum company here} - there really *IS* strength in numbers, so skip the god damn vegan potluck and get out there with a sign, a loud voice, and a bullhorn*


*bullhorn as permitted by local law]]> 2009-02-27T14:47:25Z argh@anonymous.disqus.net Argh 64.52.117.170 wp_id=202824;date=2009-02-27 10:52:08-05:00
Folks in Seattle are hosting a "vegan prom" benefit for the AETA4
http://www.facebook.com/event....]]> 2009-02-27T15:52:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=202827;date=2009-02-27 11:00:33-05:00 2009-02-27T16:00:33Z matt@anonymous.disqus.net Matt 64.52.117.170 wp_id=202838;date=2009-02-27 11:38:52-05:00 peta2.com because I think the kids deserve more credit. Frankly I am tired of the same cookie cutter marketing approach of objectifying womyn, celebrities, or artists. I think when young folks are challenged a little more than, "joey-joe from super-pop-punk-warped-band.com has dreamy eyes and look he's eating a vegan hot dog! OMG!" then they will move a little further. Call me a hopeless optimist but I believe in the bright spots in people, and I belive we can all do so much.

Oh, and I stay optimistic even after doing a stint in the bing for the movement.

Thank you Mr. Potter for all the good work you do, and thank you to all the readers who let their hearts lead their actions.

be smart & keep your heads up]]> 2009-02-27T16:38:52Z fo_realz@anonymous.disqus.net fo realz 66.100.3.192 wp_id=202839;date=2009-02-27 11:42:03-05:00
"Call me a hopeless optimist but I believe in the bright spots in people, and I belive we can all do so much."

Despite all of this, I've found myself becoming an optimist as well. Thanks for note.]]> 2009-02-27T16:42:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=202856;date=2009-02-27 12:40:18-05:00 I look at things like The Great Ape Project and it's success in Spain and become inspired.]]> 2009-02-27T17:40:18Z jenbfloyd@gmail.com Jen 207.237.131.210 wp_id=202864;date=2009-02-27 13:14:58-05:00
That being said, I question the tactic of mass civil disobedience to end climate change. I question it not because I am opposed to mass civil disobedience. My problem stems from the fact that we, as activists, too often forget that getting arrested is NOT the goal, but making change is. People did not march from Selma in 1965 with the intent of getting arrested. They got arrested and beaten, but their goal was to deliver a message to their state government - the arrests and beatings they did not want nor did they provoke them.

The power of non-violent, civil disobedience is that the reasonable person may be treated unreasonably by their neighbors, the police, their bosses, or the political establishment just for petitioning for change or equality or justice. The goal should be to juxtapose images of reasonable people, doing nothing wrong, being harmed by unreasonable authority or narrow minded individuals.

When one can accomplish this, non-violent, civil disobedience is a force that can bring all societies to their knees.

I understand perfectly that there has been an escalation needed since the 1950s and 1960s. State authority has adapted well, in America, to handling non-violent protestors. Rarely do you see footage, anymore, of a person standing on a street corner carrying a picket sign and moments later that person is beaten by police. When it does happen the shock from the community continues to be strong and the condemnation of state power and police abuse is heard.

The problem with modern non-violent, civil disobedience, is that because it is more and more difficult to provoke an unreasonable response from authority figures, protestors begin with escalated tactics. They block streets or climb buildings. They chain themselves to doors or smear paint. And while these tactics are successful at producing a state response, the images of the protest become less and less those of a reasonable person bering harshly treated by unreasonable police and more like over zealous protestors being manhandled by over zealous police.

And all too often we are getting arrested for breaking the wrong laws. We are arrested for trespass or resisting arrest or failure to obey a police order or destruction of property. In the 1950s African American's were arrested for being black because they sat at the white lunch counter or refused to give up their seats on a bus. They were able to break the laws they wanted changed. Today we rarely break the laws we want changed. And all too often we use a building, bridge, or event as a back drop to protest a completely unrelated problem. There was a Greenpeace protest in the early 1990s in Chicago that I was a part of where we hung a banner on the Sears Tower which read "END THE 50 YEAR NIGHTMARE: NUCLEAR-FREE FUTURE NOW." As far as I know, the Sear Tower was selected for this banner hang not because it was heavily involved in the nuclear industry, perhaps some tenants in the building were, but mostly because it was the tallest building we could find.

What was the logic there? Big building + daring climb = media attention. Did it get attention? Yes. However, a deeper analysis of the action shows that the people arrested for climbing that building were arrested to gain media attention for a billboard. That is a long way from getting arrested because you used your body to shield a baby seal from being clubbed to death and in so doing you violated the "Seal Protection Act." Any person standing next to a baby seal about to be clubbed to death would feel an urgency to act or a pang of guilt for lack of action. The fact that another person did act to save the life of that animal would seem reasonable and the state response of arresting and perhaps beating that protestor would seem very unreasonable.

On the other hand the act of climbing the Sears Tower does not contain the same urgency of action. The Sears Tower was not a part of the nuclear industry nor was a nuclear danger present at the Sears Tower on the day we choose to climb it. While no one can deny the danger posed by nuclear waste the action, being so far removed from its object of protest, seems very disconnected and unreasonable. Further, the streets that morning in Chicago around the Sears Tower were blocked off, fire and police were dispatched, and the people who climbed the building risked their lives for what amounted to little more than a Greenpeace advertising campaign for their anti-nuclear program. Greenpeace could have bought a billboard at any location to display their message, and it may have been cheaper, and certainly caused individuals less personal risk.

So then, what with DC this weekend? It is wonderful that people want to gather in DC and press the government to take more drastic actions to combat climate change. But as far as civil disobedience I am lukewarm on the idea. Perhaps organizers will design civil disobedience with more intent then merely gaining media coverage for their rally on climate change. I know many people who are going to DC and a few who are planning actions and I know that they are intelligent, gentle people who are well versed in the power and purpose of non-violent civil disobedience. So I am hopeful that this protest will be different, more focussed, breaking laws that will really impact on climate change rather then merely breaking laws to get more news coverage.]]> 2009-02-27T18:14:58Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=202888;date=2009-02-27 14:55:14-05:00
And hey commenters! Quit bashing the vegan potlucks! There's a reason why the FBI is trying to infiltrate them. Potlucks are an effective tool for building a strong movement. We need a diverse movement, one that includes protests, civil disobedience, direct action, legislative change, and potlucks!

That said, I'm working on community organizing and building up alternative institutions that celebrate vegan culture.]]> 2009-02-27T19:55:14Z drew.r.wilson@gmail.com Drew 140.232.11.215 wp_id=202949;date=2009-02-27 18:48:52-05:00
So Sig Heil to all trying to force others into their lifestyle.]]> 2009-02-27T23:48:52Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=202961;date=2009-02-27 19:27:59-05:00
I think you just made my point better than I ever could.

You're absolutely right, people are being labeled terrorists because of their beliefs and how they want to live, and how they want others to live.]]> 2009-02-28T00:27:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.84.236 wp_id=202976;date=2009-02-27 20:16:00-05:00 2009-02-28T01:16:00Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=202986;date=2009-02-27 20:55:16-05:00
Drew made a comment about potlucks, POTLUCKS, and you responded that him "forcing his lifestyle" is why animal rights activists are being labeled terrorists.

Now, you're saying that activists should be the targets of threats, bombs and arsons.

A little hypocritical, don't you think?]]> 2009-02-28T01:55:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.84.236 wp_id=202993;date=2009-02-27 21:08:47-05:00 2009-02-28T02:08:47Z wolfie@anonymous.disqus.net Wolfie 74.66.224.67 wp_id=203029;date=2009-02-27 23:16:38-05:00
However, those who oppose environmental and animal rights activists have only a profit motive to propel their actions forward, whereas activists have moral imperatives to push themselves forward. If the French Revolutionary Army was any example, increased morale based upon a moral imperative and community support will bolster their willingness to act and motivation to do so in the most effective and direct ways possible. Corporations and businesses lack said moral imperative, and the likelihood of them stepping forward and acting to the same degree is extremely unlikely, especially since, in my mind, the resolve of the activists is extremely high if they are willing to do things that make even myself uneasy and subsequently risk severe repercussions.

If you look at the actions without an ounce of the rhetoric, then the environmental activists and animal rights activists indeed *are* terrorists. They employ methods that are intended to scare or intimidate a target population into manifesting or extinguishing specific behaviors. From that point of view, the government has been employing the same tactics via different methodology for quite some time. Perhaps my earlier statement was off, and it is the government who opened the forum and set the level of conflict to terror. Regardless, the actions of the activists are indeed terrorism. Non-lethal terrorism, but terrorism nonetheless. (note that when I say this, I mean to indicate ALF and ELF, not the mainstream activists who support them).

The question that I think should be consider by the author and readers of this site is whether or not Kant was right. Categorical imperative: the means do not justify the end because the means are ends unto themselves. I am inclined to think that Kant was wrong, because if just ends are to be achieved and no "just" means are effective, then "unjust" means must be applied. This is a battle of wills between moralist and profiteering interests, and something has to break sooner or later.

So, condemnation of government actions and condemnation of activist actions are moot points, since terrorism and harassment is being engaged in by both sides. However, the most valid point that I've seen in these articles is making sure the government stops targeting the innocent. They are the civilians in this conflict, and by hostage-taking to intimidate the violent protesters they are causing "civilian casualties" intentionally. No matter what manner is used to harm civilians, civilian casualties are always unacceptable.



So, to be a bit more succinct, I think Joe is not being hypocritical, but is probably significantly misguided in condemning vegan potlucks. Perhaps he should think of it like trying to convert people? haha.]]> 2009-02-28T04:16:38Z unmeilleurreve@gmail.com Le Reveur 72.24.236.81 wp_id=203033;date=2009-02-27 23:22:42-05:00
Incitement to terrorist acts? Who's the terrorist now?
&
"So Sig Heil to all trying to force others into their lifestyle."

Godwin's Law. You lose.]]> 2009-02-28T04:22:42Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 120.16.217.36 wp_id=203034;date=2009-02-27 23:26:24-05:00
I thought they were just after our superior vegan cuisine.]]> 2009-02-28T04:26:24Z stevian1@yahyoo.com.au Stephen 120.16.217.36 wp_id=203039;date=2009-02-27 23:47:58-05:00 2009-02-28T04:47:58Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=203303;date=2009-02-28 17:54:05-05:00 No way you can call this shit terrorism.
If it is, then Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses are terrorists too.]]> 2009-02-28T22:54:05Z thesnakegoddess@yahoo.com Bethany 74.37.151.6 wp_id=203920;date=2009-03-02 19:40:08-05:00 2009-03-03T00:40:08Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=203986;date=2009-03-03 01:24:24-05:00
As for the true terrorists--those are the people who terrorize innocent animals every day for no good reason. The people who do what they can to help those animals are heroes.]]> 2009-03-03T06:24:24Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=204085;date=2009-03-03 10:29:13-05:00 2009-03-03T15:29:13Z fuzzywombat103@yahoo.com Joanna 64.223.95.136 wp_id=205004;date=2009-03-06 17:23:26-05:00
It's really important that we be critical of Powershift: it's sponsored by big corporate money, mis-represents itself as being "THE climate movement", and has given at least a silent endorsement of the plethora of corporate-friendly, state-sponsored 'false solutions' to climate change. They've also made a point to not talk about the climate crisis as another product of the same systems of oppression that have perpetuated inequality throughout civilization. That's a key point to understanding that this isn't just an issue about carbon in the atmosphere, and any hope we have of achieving climate justice is going to be through building strategic alliances across movements that support the work of us all.

As far as the Capitol Climate Action goes, there were three goals set out for the action:

1) Create a moment, image, and a situation that will help accelerate a major shift in the political and cultural consciousness regarding the urgency and scope of required action to address the climate crisis. (media and public narrative goal)

2) Press the new administration to take decisive action on climate and energy issues, within the first 100 days of office by using this coal plant as an iconic symbol of the problems of US Energy and climate policy. (government as an audience for policy goal)

3)Create a transformative, positive experience for the participants that further commit them to activism and the movement, and demystifies the role of non-violent direct action in social change. (movement building goal, catalyst)

Getting arrested was never a goal of this action. Civil disobedience and people risking arrest was our vehicle, and the action was a tremendous success. We surpassed our expectation of 3,000 participants by hundreds, if not thousands, in the freezing cold and snow. We shut down the plant for the afternoon, trained over 2,000 people in non-violent direct action, gotten tremendous positive media coverage (over 500 stories, with more in the works), provided political leverage to our allies.

I think we'll be seeing the impacts of this carrying on for a long time: for many participants this was their first direct action, and it's been a catalyst for people who are arriving back home this week to continue doing this work across the country. This is the beginning of a tremendous year of organizing to bring down the fossil fuel empire and to achieve climate justice!]]> 2009-03-06T22:23:26Z pete@anonymous.disqus.net Pete 66.30.113.235 wp_id=208656;date=2009-03-19 12:42:29-04:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Here's the next step:
http://www.stopcliffside.org/n...]]> 2009-03-19T16:42:29Z maurer@goldmail.etsu.edu Daniel 76.7.144.135 wp_id=203829;date=2009-03-02 11:27:06-05:00 I'd be really interested to find out how much money the FBI has spent on rounding up environmentalists in the last five years and sentencing them.]]> 2009-03-02T16:27:06Z ansluasi@yahoo.com Alex 65.172.170.104 wp_id=203830;date=2009-03-02 11:51:35-05:00 2009-03-02T16:51:35Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=203849;date=2009-03-02 13:18:55-05:00 2009-03-02T18:18:55Z supahgypsyroselee@hotmail.com Canaduck 66.183.102.169 wp_id=203851;date=2009-03-02 13:24:45-05:00
Most politicians are puppets of corporate interests. The few who care (like Dennis Kucinich) have no significant power to change anything.]]> 2009-03-02T18:24:45Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 75.182.71.119 wp_id=203857;date=2009-03-02 13:54:35-05:00 2009-03-02T18:54:35Z coastermaster01@yahoo.com Ben 169.233.122.202 wp_id=203865;date=2009-03-02 14:49:55-05:00 2009-03-02T19:49:55Z rob@anonymous.disqus.net Rob 67.184.3.202 wp_id=203870;date=2009-03-02 15:25:05-05:00
No, that's not the case. Conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction to kill human beings is not the same as conspiring to damage property, yet the Al Qaeda operative received the same sentence as Eric McDavid. It just doesn't add up.]]> 2009-03-02T20:25:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.194.56 wp_id=203873;date=2009-03-02 15:40:35-05:00
We can all argue and discuss among ourselves if the jail time in this case was excessive or not. We can spend weeks and months arguing, posing what-if scenarios, and name calling. We can expound our own personal legal theories to the case and denounce the judge, jury, prosecutor, defense attorneys and witnesses. It will be a lot of fun!

After we denounce all the legal tactics that put Marie in jail for so long we MUST recognize that we don't want arson to be legal.

Now, as activists we need to always consider what kind of world we are trying to create - one built on love or one built on anger, hatred and/or violence. The tactics we choose, NOW, will determine our future and the kind of world we give to our children to protect. Arson is not a good tactic if we want to create a different world! The people who oppose a different world see the full arena of violence and coercion as being acceptable. We need to look beyond those tactics because if we buy into their tactics - if we agree that anything in the name of peace and justice is an acceptable strategy - then we have already lost and they have already won.

I am a pacifist and I know that many who read this blog may not be. This is why change comes so slowly, because there are those who resist living in a different way. They are afraid to let go of the crutch of violence. They think if I can just destroy this one thing, or scare this one person, or kill this one world leader (isn't this how the Bush administration thought), then peace, yes PEACE will be restored.

But it does not work like that!]]> 2009-03-02T20:40:35Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=203879;date=2009-03-02 16:09:57-05:00 You've spectacularly missed the point of this point, and the entire website.]]> 2009-03-02T21:09:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.194.56 wp_id=203889;date=2009-03-02 17:17:21-05:00
My point was arguing over the politics of her sentence is not very substantial because the tactics she used should be rejected if they are used by Al-Qaeda or environmentalists - they were wrong!]]> 2009-03-02T22:17:21Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=203892;date=2009-03-02 17:39:18-05:00
"I ask myself how do the tactics differ?"

Weapons of mass destruction, taking hostages, murder... that's just a start. Oh, and that minor difference called September 11th. Give me a break.]]> 2009-03-02T22:39:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.194.56 wp_id=203898;date=2009-03-02 17:58:55-05:00
So you are suggesting that if a member of Al-Qaeda burned up genetic engineering materials at a State University he/she should be sent away for 22 years but if anyone else does it they should not?]]> 2009-03-02T22:58:55Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=203899;date=2009-03-02 18:04:47-05:00
And I STILL see the difference between conspiring to murder people and burning property.]]> 2009-03-02T23:04:47Z supahgypsyroselee@hotmail.com Canaduck 66.183.102.169 wp_id=203901;date=2009-03-02 18:12:26-05:00
He was planning on using a weapon of mass destruction to murder people. I'm sorry, but I just can't take you seriously if you honestly think that destroying an empty building is anywhere near the same thing.

And "Al-Qaeda Scare"? Congratulations, I've seen plenty of absurd emails and comments sent my way, but this is one of all-time top 5 most idiotic attacks I've ever seen.]]> 2009-03-02T23:12:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.194.56 wp_id=203902;date=2009-03-02 18:25:24-05:00
And Will, what is so ridiculous about "Al-Qaeda Scare?" Are you not aware of the loyalty oaths that government employees must now sign? If not check out my blog http://burnedbookspublishing.b...

The phrase Al-Qaeda is used to just the same effect to blind the American public to the acts of violence that our government is now engaged in to "protect" us from these "terrorists." The "threat" of Al-Qaeda has been used to pass most of the draconian laws and extreme sentencing which are now being used to harass environmentalists. If it were not for 9-11 would the US government under Bush's leadership have been able to pass the Patriot Act? Maybe, of course, but 9-11 made it easier with the majority of the population willingly handing over their civil rights.

Al-Qaeda is just one scare tactic in our government's arsenal of scare tactics. Are you kidding me that you don't get that?]]> 2009-03-02T23:25:24Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=203907;date=2009-03-02 18:36:06-05:00
John, if tactics are used for the movement that you don't agree with, fine. It's your job to offer support to those who are part of the movement and who fight on the front lines. These people deserve our support and solidarity. NOT condemnation via pacifism.

Please read Pacifism as Pathology and How Non-Violence Protects the State, if you still feel as though you're a pacifist, that's fine. But don't hold it up as a morally superior way of thinking. It is one idea among many, a very good idea, but like all good ideas it is problematic on many levels.

We need a wide range of tactics. And above ground/legal tactics only go so far. Without an underground or people willing to do defend the planet/species/environment by any means necessary, the movement will never win this war. And it is a war, the culture has a death wish, it will not voluntarily change. The only thing that matters is whether or not we do do something to stop it.

I've walked clear cuts in Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Alaska. I've worked on streams so poisoned by "progress" and "technology" that salmon can't swim them to spawn. All the letter writing and blog posting in the world won't change either of those facts, and to be honest, all of my walking around and working didn't do much either.

Again, it is our duty to offer our fellow warriors and activists the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their tactics. The tactics don't need to be your own, but don't condemn them. PROPERTY is a construct. We all believe Hunington or Weyerhause owns things. They don't. They are thieves and liars. We just agree to agree that they have the right to do what they're doing. They don't.

Believe what you want, but when you agree with the state on what constitutes violence, I'd be very, very wary. The state has a wonderfully awful track record on what is and isn't violence.]]> 2009-03-02T23:36:06Z whatremainsak@gmail.com Ryan Remains 76.164.37.128 wp_id=203914;date=2009-03-02 19:11:52-05:00
And maybe I don't get the point of the website either . . . I thought I was worried about the "green scare," but the more I read here, the more I'm seeing that [i]most[/i] (albeit not all) of the people who have been convicted did commit crimes, and I guess I don't see the outrage in them being convicted for something they knew was illegal. They had it coming, and they knew it.]]> 2009-03-03T00:11:52Z stmml02@anonymous.disqus.net stmml02 216.193.174.100 wp_id=203918;date=2009-03-02 19:37:54-05:00 2009-03-03T00:37:54Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=203922;date=2009-03-02 19:43:51-05:00 2009-03-03T00:43:51Z stevec@riseup.net steve 98.173.32.197 wp_id=203923;date=2009-03-02 19:50:09-05:00 Tucson H.A.A.N.D." or "Hooligans Attack at Night, Duh,"
Arizona - Fringe group of enviros vandalizing homes, cars:
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/at...]]> 2009-03-03T00:50:09Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 75.80.173.179 wp_id=203925;date=2009-03-02 20:00:09-05:00 You're right, you don't get the point. My criticism of any of the cases where someone has broken the law and been labeled a "terrorist" is NOT, in any way, arguing that something like property destruction isn't a crime. It is. The problem in cases like this, though, is that some crimes are selectively being elevated to the level of "terrorism" in order to push a political agenda.

Furthermore, the vast majority of the content on this site is related to labeling First Amendment activity as "terrorism," and the coordinated campaign to silence dissent by making people afraid to use their rights. Criminal cases such as Marie Mason's are unfortunately just one part of the Green Scare.]]> 2009-03-03T01:00:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.23.81 wp_id=203926;date=2009-03-02 20:02:09-05:00 Thanks for the link. I saw that, and was thinking of posting something about it. It looks like one crime was claimed to be in response to the AETA arrests in California.]]> 2009-03-03T01:02:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.23.81 wp_id=203933;date=2009-03-02 20:24:57-05:00 2009-03-03T01:24:57Z toddeddie@mac.com tofutodd 32.150.16.229 wp_id=203947;date=2009-03-02 21:47:30-05:00
Second, the "laws" that these people have violated are made to protect the interests of the wealthy elite. Thus, the "crimes" that have been committed have directly posed a threat to the wealthy elite, to their power and/or their profits. If someone burns down an empty building, that's not terrorism. If a firefighter dies while trying to extinguish the fire, it's still not terrorism, it's not even a crime. It's a consequence of their job, and an unfortunate one. But the firefighter also knew the risks, and maybe on some level even, "had it coming." But it's no more a crime than "suicide by cop" is actually suicide.

Third, in this society, the fact that property is given so much priority over living, breathing things - whether it be humyn, animal, or the earth - is disgusting. Whether or not you choose direct action as a catalyst for change is your own business. But what we don't need is a divided movement; we need to recognize that all tactics are just tools in a toolbox. There is a need for aboveground and legal activism, and also a need for underground, militant direct action. One supports the other. One struggle, one fight.

Don't forget that it was once illegal for black people to eat in the same places as white people, or to sit at the front of the bus. It was once illegal for women to..well, do anything but be subservient to men. Breaking pointless laws that have no use other than to perpetuate a class war and a capitalistic society is not terrorism. It may be the only shot we have.

You know what else we don't need? Agent provocateurs. But while we have them, we may as well feed them...]]> 2009-03-03T02:47:30Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 24.21.198.222 wp_id=203948;date=2009-03-02 21:56:07-05:00 2009-03-03T02:56:07Z jeannie.hackercerulean@gmail.com cerulean 68.60.8.10 wp_id=203951;date=2009-03-02 22:24:20-05:00 when you support fbi witch-hunts on animal rights and enviro-activists, the terrorists win!

or:
hitler loved unfounded witch hunts on domestic dissent.]]> 2009-03-03T03:24:20Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com dave m 69.206.167.103 wp_id=203952;date=2009-03-02 22:25:22-05:00 2009-03-03T03:25:22Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=203964;date=2009-03-02 23:25:59-05:00
The book persuasively argues that pacifism is a self-serving strategy employed by privileged (white, upper/middle class 1st worlders) people who can attend a protest or a march, then go back home feeling good about themselves when, in fact, they will accomplish very little with only this activity. To advocate pacifism is to tell someone already suffering violence that you know better how they should liberate themselves, and furthermore to deny the violence that is already occurring on behalf of our "leaders" and is suffered by less fortunate humans and also countless nonhumans.
He also argues that pacifism has in fact not worked in the past and is, without violent elements, ineffective.

I am not saying arson should be legal under any circumstances, nor am I advocating violence, but I think it's worth considering whether the ends justify the means in some cases, as opposed to flatly rejecting violence in all cases. Our forefathers who built the United States realized that pacifism would not win freedom, and our right to organize militias comes from that knowledge as well.

Keep in mind that the underground railroad was a crime in that it was a loss of "property" but we certainly don't consider them, or the US colonies, as "terrorists."]]> 2009-03-03T04:25:59Z jtsmiley15@yahoo.com Zooby 35.8.219.26 wp_id=203966;date=2009-03-02 23:28:29-05:00
Taking into account that we are taught from a very young age that our relationships and roles in society are vertical, it is easy to see why so many see themselves as superior to other animals.

Were we to live in a truly egalitarian society (talkin' anarcho-communism peeps), people would have a better perspective on such affairs. Truly malevolent arsonists would be dealt with and odds are arson in the name of social justice would no longer exist.

But, we live in a republic. The laws do not bend or take notice of special circumstances (to be fair, the law does look the other way if money is involved) and never will. Law is not justice.]]> 2009-03-03T04:28:29Z cha_cha@anonymous.disqus.net Cha Cha 71.224.168.136 wp_id=203969;date=2009-03-02 23:48:12-05:00
Love the t-shirt ideas! Especially the "The terrorists win" element. I think that's one element of this that makes sense to non-activist folks: that resources are being wasted going on these political witch hunts when groups like Al Qaeda are clearly alive and well. Thanks for posting!]]> 2009-03-03T04:48:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.118.49 wp_id=203975;date=2009-03-03 00:06:24-05:00
But none of this, as correct as these points are, justifies acts of political arson. I'm sorry, arson is still violence. And I am not saying this because I am devoted to property or believe that property should be protected. Personally I believe in the destruction of Capitalism and the elimination of private property. I agree completely with Ryan Remains' early post that property is a construct and that none of us owns anything.

But lack of property and lack of ownership does not mean that destroying things is not violent. Native Americans did not have the same sense of ownership and property that Europeans brought to this country but they still felt remorse and loss when their villages were destroyed and they were kicked off their lands. Their culture may not call their artifacts "property" but native people's continue to struggle for the repatriation of pre-historic native artifacts. Not because they feel like they "own" these things but because they place a value for their culture and their heritage in these things. Humans form attachments to things, whether or not they consider these things to be owned.

So, one could argue that destruction of property is not an act of violence but I think all you have to do is look into the face of someone who just lost their stuff to see how wrong that argument is. And, of course, when big corporations run bulldozers through low income neighborhoods we shout about the violence being done. When the Israelis level a Palestinian settlement the violence being done is obvious. When the American government launches a cruise missile and takes out a bridge it is violent - even if no body dies.

Is prison the right solution to handle Marie and the guy from Al-Qeade, of course not! Right now, however, we don't have a reformed society and prison is what society will demand of them. As activists we know that when we risk arrest we risk prison. So while we can have prison reform or prison elimination discussions those discussions won't help our situation if one of us is arrested tomorrow. We have to live in the world we have and struggle for the world we want. We have to act in ways that we believe are right and true to our cause and the world we want to create. As I said in my initial post, arson won't produce the desired results.]]> 2009-03-03T05:06:24Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=204014;date=2009-03-03 04:28:16-05:00 2009-03-03T09:28:16Z dog_terrorist@anonymous.disqus.net Dog Terrorist 76.230.229.239 wp_id=204079;date=2009-03-03 10:18:53-05:00
John: I think that pacifism is a load of crap, and you say that "peace will be restored" but in this racist world I've yet to know peace and in my history books I hear nothing of peace. Restored? What exactly are you planning on restoring? I firmly believe there cannot be peace until there is justice.

Will, others: There is something to be said about the "al-Qaeda scare." Middle Eastern (especially Arab), South Asian, and Muslim people are all facing repression far, far worse than white green activists, at the hands of the US government. Not just the war, they're experiencing it domestically: trumped up charges, interrogations, immigration holds, extraordinary rendition, enemy combatant status... Jose Padilla was arrested in Chicago on just the idea he was "conspiring" to do something. People from all around the world have been held at Guantanamo on questionable evidence, and in some cases the government admits they weren't doing anything wrong but still refuses to release them. And far, far more people languish in ICE detention facilities.

The whole "war on terror" is a joke, not just the war on "green terror."

You unquestioningly cite the FBI as your source that Abdul Malek / Christopher Paul has *conspired to do* all sorts of bad things. Then you're critical of what the FBI is claiming Eric McDavid was conspiring to do. You're right to be critical in the McDavid case, and that's because the FBI is full of shit - but you also need to be critical about Abdul Malek. Just because the FBI says he's a "bad guy," that doesn't make it so.]]> 2009-03-03T15:18:53Z dt@anonymous.disqus.net dt 128.2.6.122 wp_id=204086;date=2009-03-03 10:39:49-05:00 I completely agree that the War on Terror has wrapped up countless people as terrorists, many for nothing other than their appearance or religious beliefs. I'm always very clear about that in speaking events and longer articles on this site, that I'm not arguing, in any way, that what is going on in the Green Scare is more important than anything else. Perhaps I should have made that clear in my response to those comments, but I frankly didn't see the "Al-Qaeda Scare" comment as referencing anything like that.

As to your second point, I am not "unquestioningly" citing the FBI. The difference between this case and Eric McDavid's is that Abdul Malek admitted his guilty, and McDavid was railroaded in trial.]]> 2009-03-03T15:39:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=204091;date=2009-03-03 11:35:31-05:00
dt: I think pacifists know perfectly well that we have never lived in a time of peace. Pacifism is not a load of crap, the load of crap is when people assume that they can treat other people poorly - wrongly imprison activists or abuse women or children or engage in religious or racial wars - and that somehow at then end of all that bad behavior as we pull ourselves out of the pools of blood we'll join hands and walk away as brothers. That is the load of crap. It will never happen THAT way.

If I want people to walk with me as my brother or sister I have to extend the hand of friendship - nothing else will work.

I also have to correct something that I wrote earlier. I get disappointed with myself when I don't think through what I post before I hit the submit button (but that button is so tempting... it beckons me still.)

When I wrote "I also agree with Cerulean that Marie should be sentenced for what she did not the politics behind why she did it (of course, that holds true for the Al-Qaeda guy as well)." I was wrong.

In my defense I have to say that I got caught up in the spirit of what Cerulean was writing and I just did not spend enough time thinking about the consequences. The truth of course is that the politics is important to what motivates each of us to act. It sucks when the politics of our actions are used to further vilify us and the people who think like us. But we don't want a politically blind court system because as I wrote very early on "burning something for a social good is not the same as arson for fun or arson for profit or arson just to terrorize the neighbors." We always want the courts to make that distinction. What motivates us to act should be an important consideration in how we are treated in the legal system. Someone who breaks down a door to save a puppy from a burning house should never be charged with breaking and entering.

The difficulty is that once we accept that what motivates us to act needs to be considered how does the legal system then work around the problem of "guilt by association." So, Will, I have now once again gotten back to the topic of your blog.]]> 2009-03-03T16:35:31Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=204098;date=2009-03-03 12:26:03-05:00 http://www.criticalanimalstudi...]]> 2009-03-03T17:26:03Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 75.182.71.119 wp_id=204104;date=2009-03-03 13:07:28-05:00 2009-03-03T18:07:28Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com dave m 69.206.167.103 wp_id=204205;date=2009-03-03 22:02:11-05:00 2009-03-04T03:02:11Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=204229;date=2009-03-03 23:37:01-05:00
In a rare move, a juror actually filed a declaration to the court calling the FBI and prosecutors an “embarrassment”:

"…specifically by allowing this case to develop the way it did using Anna and providing all of the essential tools for the group; the cabin, the money, the idea, the books, everything, and by letting Anna “string Eric along” when she should have terminated the relationship clearly with him."

If that's not being "railroaded," what is?

More on the details of this are here:
http://www.greenisthenewred.co.../]]> 2009-03-04T04:37:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.59.38.92 wp_id=204127;date=2009-03-03 14:59:11-05:00
California lawmaker targets Internet mapping sites
http://customwire.ap.org/dynam...

BTW - I like the idea of posting audio...video of you speaking would be even better.]]> 2009-03-03T19:59:11Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 75.80.173.179 wp_id=204156;date=2009-03-03 17:44:12-05:00 2009-03-03T22:44:12Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com dave m 69.206.167.103 wp_id=204170;date=2009-03-03 18:55:07-05:00 2009-03-03T23:55:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.122.184 wp_id=233198;date=2009-12-08 14:08:14-05:00 2009-12-08T19:08:14Z missmarymack745@yahoo.com Mary Jane 38.98.198.49 wp_id=204347;date=2009-03-04 10:13:48-05:00 2009-03-04T15:13:48Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=204375;date=2009-03-04 12:35:55-05:00
EXCLUSIVE: Ex-Employees Claim 'Horrific' Treatment of Primates at Lab - Hidden-Camera Investigation Goes Behind Closed Doors at New Iberia Research Center

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightlin...]]> 2009-03-04T17:35:55Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 75.80.173.179 wp_id=204392;date=2009-03-04 14:07:43-05:00 2009-03-04T19:07:43Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.151.128.220 wp_id=204451;date=2009-03-04 19:02:03-05:00 2009-03-05T00:02:03Z dylan@anonymous.disqus.net Dylan 71.167.201.152 wp_id=204458;date=2009-03-04 19:46:33-05:00 2009-03-05T00:46:33Z eric@ananimalfriendlylife.com Eric 98.97.134.198 wp_id=204605;date=2009-03-05 09:26:26-05:00 2009-03-05T14:26:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=204706;date=2009-03-05 17:08:30-05:00 2009-03-05T22:08:30Z flogthebog@yahoo.com Jill 24.21.136.246 wp_id=204987;date=2009-03-06 16:35:55-05:00 n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.]]> 2009-03-06T21:35:55Z diana@anonymous.disqus.net diana 216.170.215.202 wp_id=205859;date=2009-03-09 16:35:27-04:00 2009-03-09T20:35:27Z baily2@optonline.net matt 66.173.244.30 wp_id=221823;date=2009-06-02 00:10:36-04:00 Rita]]> 2009-06-02T04:10:36Z ritarobinett@hotmail.com Rita 75.185.198.78 wp_id=204631;date=2009-03-05 10:56:36-05:00 2009-03-05T15:56:36Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com matthew 209.212.80.175 wp_id=204647;date=2009-03-05 11:56:49-05:00 2009-03-05T16:56:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=204989;date=2009-03-06 16:38:07-05:00 n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.]]> 2009-03-06T21:38:07Z diana@anonymous.disqus.net diana 216.170.215.202 wp_id=205404;date=2009-03-08 04:14:51-04:00 2009-03-08T08:14:51Z andrewbanderas@gmail.com Banderas 69.108.119.110 wp_id=205861;date=2009-03-09 16:49:05-04:00 2009-03-09T20:49:05Z baily2@optonline.net matt 66.173.244.30 wp_id=204774;date=2009-03-05 22:28:22-05:00 2009-03-06T03:28:22Z s@anonymous.disqus.net S. 67.182.254.132 wp_id=204777;date=2009-03-05 22:38:03-05:00 2009-03-06T03:38:03Z chichi31465@yahoo.com T DAVIS 75.90.76.186 wp_id=204779;date=2009-03-05 22:38:19-05:00
Very good point, Mr. Potter.]]> 2009-03-06T03:38:19Z dylan@anonymous.disqus.net Dylan 71.167.201.152 wp_id=204781;date=2009-03-05 22:41:21-05:00 http://www.finalnail.com/fur.h...]]> 2009-03-06T03:41:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.23.227 wp_id=204802;date=2009-03-06 00:26:33-05:00
but, by all means, it's a site worth visiting.]]> 2009-03-06T05:26:33Z anony@anonymous.disqus.net Anony 208.58.97.137 wp_id=204808;date=2009-03-06 00:43:50-05:00
Absolutely beautiful, Will. Thanks for posting this. Terrifying. They have to stifle any resistance to any aspect of industrial civilization, fearing that even the smallest acts will breach the dam. So to speak, of course ;)]]> 2009-03-06T05:43:50Z harry@anonymous.disqus.net Harry 76.168.242.132 wp_id=204911;date=2009-03-06 10:25:57-05:00
2 men indicted in break-in at Utah mink farm
http://www.cnbc.com/id/2954810...

"We're happy that these individuals have been apprehended," he (FBI) said Thursday afternoon. "We would classify them, of course, as animal terrorists."]]> 2009-03-06T15:25:57Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 75.80.173.179 wp_id=204970;date=2009-03-06 15:26:46-05:00 2009-03-06T20:26:46Z tom@anonymous.disqus.net Tom 66.55.252.5 wp_id=204971;date=2009-03-06 15:29:08-05:00 Please re-read the article. These activists are not accused of any of the things you listed. They're accused of releasing mink from a fur farm and spraypainting anti-fur messages on the walls.]]> 2009-03-06T20:29:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=204974;date=2009-03-06 15:43:00-05:00 That may be,,, what i see is a family faced with finacial ruin,, did they also have employees that are now uncertain about their own future??? what would these 2 'activist' do next? when thing don't happen to their satisfaction???? the American people cannot be forced into anothers belief thru terror. ......]]> 2009-03-06T20:43:00Z tom@anonymous.disqus.net Tom 66.55.252.5 wp_id=204976;date=2009-03-06 15:56:00-05:00
The point you're missing is that just because it is breaking the law doesn't mean it is TERRORISM. Labeling it as such is an insult to those who have died as a result of "real" terrorism, it wastes law enforcement resources, and it prejudices the jury.

Of all the things that I might consider "terror," two 20-something kids trying to save animals from being turned into fur coats isn't one of them.]]> 2009-03-06T20:56:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=204979;date=2009-03-06 16:04:13-05:00
Unfortunately, sometimes people who know what is right and aren't afraid to stand up for it must break a law before any attention is brought to an injustice on our fellow creatures.
It's PAST time we move out of the dark ages! We don't all live up in the Arctic Circle(and even the Eskimos/natives who do only take/kill what they NEED and leave the rest alone) where fur may be necessary as the only protection against bitter cold; there are plenty of materials that are fashionable and just as effective for keeping warm that do NOT involve harming others.]]> 2009-03-06T21:04:13Z antcheek@sbcglobal.net Lismarie 68.91.120.141 wp_id=204980;date=2009-03-06 16:09:49-05:00 Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal.

ummm,,, seems to fit]]> 2009-03-06T21:09:49Z tom@anonymous.disqus.net Tom 66.55.252.5 wp_id=204985;date=2009-03-06 16:29:54-05:00 Even going with that extremely simplistic definition, of terrorism as anything that is intended to create fear, this still doesn't fit.

The stated intention of underground actions like this is not to create fear, it's to save animals.]]> 2009-03-06T21:29:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=204990;date=2009-03-06 16:42:14-05:00 2009-03-06T21:42:14Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.25.101 wp_id=204995;date=2009-03-06 16:53:04-05:00
"The stated intention of underground actions like this is not to create fear, it’s to save animals." ,, but in doing one, the other is achieved regardless of the intention, as for saving animals, i can respect that, there are so many that need help and so few willing to 'take that chance'. and Will,, your responce to me have thus far been well reasoned and polite, not any of the vindictive that i thought i would get for playing the devil's advocate. thank you.
as for the 2 young men in question,,, we should all be careful,, what will be illegal next year,,,,]]> 2009-03-06T21:53:04Z tom@anonymous.disqus.net Tom 66.55.252.5 wp_id=205007;date=2009-03-06 17:50:48-05:00

I highly doubt the intentions of these two had anything to do with forcing anyone else to believe the way they do. It was purely and simply to free those creatures from their confines and from a future as a fur coat.

We will be holding a benefit meeting for those who have been arrested and imprisoned for the cause. We also intend to have a spirited discussion about the AETA and what it means to us. As it will also be a vegan potluck, and having read the post about the FBI trying to infiltrate them, I'm a little curious...]]> 2009-03-06T22:50:48Z helplightenmeup@hotmail.com Trish 75.15.231.171 wp_id=205016;date=2009-03-06 18:19:20-05:00
2 plead not guilty in mink release case
March 6th, 2009 @ 11:32am
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Two men indicted in connection with a break-in at a South Jordan mink farm last summer and a similar attempt at another mink operation two months later have pleaded not guilty.

William James Viehl, 22, of Layton, and Alex Jason Hall, 20, of Ogden, entered the pleas on Friday before U.S. Magistrate Judge Brooke Wells.

A trial has been set for May 11.

In August, hundreds of mink were released and breeding records destroyed at the McMullin mink farm. Shortly afterward, the Animal Liberation Front posted a statement from a "local soldier out of Utah" taking credit for the incident.

Each man faces a felony charge of damage and interference with animal enterprises. Each also faces a misdemeanor.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&am...]]> 2009-03-06T23:19:20Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 75.80.173.179 wp_id=205019;date=2009-03-06 18:35:01-05:00 2009-03-06T23:35:01Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com Anonymous 98.233.33.140 wp_id=205224;date=2009-03-07 11:32:06-05:00 2009-03-07T16:32:06Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.195.86 wp_id=205510;date=2009-03-08 12:28:14-04:00 2009-03-08T16:28:14Z apasolini@gmail.com Antonio 89.6.152.23 wp_id=205650;date=2009-03-08 23:19:06-04:00
.....Today they had an arraignment hearing in which both pleaded "NOT GUILTY".
They are scheduled for a Bail Hearing on Tuesday, as of right now they are both being held on Felony 3 retainers with NO BAIL.

At this time it looks like each could face up to 6 years in prison and $350,000 in fines if found guilty.

Please send them a letter of support during these first very difficult days behind bars.

Please remember to not mention the specifics of their case, or anything that could be used against them in this very precarious pre-trial phase:

William Viehl
Booking #:906617
Prisoner ID: 323754
c/o Salt Lake County Metro Jail
3415 S. 900 W.
Salt Lake City, UT 84119

AND

Alex Jason Hall
Booking number: 906610
Prisoner ID: 323748
c/o Salt Lake County Metro Jail
3415 S. 900 W.
Salt Lake City, UT 84119

*WE JUST FOUND OUT THAT THEY ARE NOT BEING FED ADEQUATE VEGAN FOOD. WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY WERE BEING FED VEGAN FOOD. HOWEVER BJ'S WIFE JUST INFORMED US THAT BJ HAS ONLY HAD LETTUCE AND A SLICE OF AN APPLE SINCE YESTERDAY! THEY LIED TO US! THEY ARE NOT ALLOWING INMATES TO TRADE FOOD EITHER.

Please take a minute to call and and politely DEMAND the two are be given adequate vegan food.

Phone calls to the jail are very effective and have won many prisoners vegan meals:

(801) 743-5000 dial 1 then 0 to get right to an operator.

or

(801) 743-5500

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEND DONATIONS:
Please visit their support page: www. myspace. com/​​supportbjandale​x (there is a paypal account to which you can donate) or email: bjandalexsuppor​t@​​gmail.​​com

-Animal Defense League of Salt Lake City
www.ADLSLC.org
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en...]]> 2009-03-09T03:19:06Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 75.80.173.179 wp_id=205825;date=2009-03-09 13:26:38-04:00
Source: http://www.criticalanimalstudi...

By using this definition of terrorism, we see who the real terrorists are in this case - those who confine and kill innocent beings for profit - the owners of South Jordan "farm."

The liberators, whomever they may be, are freedom fighters.]]> 2009-03-09T17:26:38Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 75.182.71.119 wp_id=206053;date=2009-03-10 11:50:54-04:00 2009-03-10T15:50:54Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206064;date=2009-03-10 12:32:28-04:00
It's just not logically consistent.]]> 2009-03-10T16:32:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=206087;date=2009-03-10 15:25:24-04:00 2009-03-10T19:25:24Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206216;date=2009-03-11 00:40:51-04:00 2009-03-11T04:40:51Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=206414;date=2009-03-11 16:28:26-04:00
So your argument fails.]]> 2009-03-11T20:28:26Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206442;date=2009-03-11 18:55:08-04:00
It's not as if the Nazi's were skinning Jews to use as lampshades or some other ridiculously arbitrary function.

The same underlying psychology is present in both situations. There is a relationship of inequality. The Nazi's considered the Jews inferior, this culture considers animals to be inferior, in this case mink. This relationship of inequality is a necessary condition for carrying out atrocities. You wouldn't skin your mother alive to wear as an overpriced coat, I would hope you consider your mother on the same equal terms as you do, yourself.

It doesn't stop with the holocaust and animals. Other race relations, dealing with Africans in the slave trades, gender relations, this culture's relation with the natural world, we consider our superficial constructed reality to be superior than the natural world, employer/employee relationships.

When we don't view something as anything other than equal to ourselves, we can perpetrate any type of horrors onto it. By reducing the subject to an object, the door is open.]]> 2009-03-11T22:55:08Z xendofthelinex@gmail.com Chris 75.162.207.218 wp_id=206443;date=2009-03-11 19:04:17-04:00
The point is that just because something is legal does not make it right. Slavery in the US, Apartheid in South Africa, all legal in their time, now relics of a barbarous age. And before you say it; it was said of people of colour, "but they're only animals, not humans"]]> 2009-03-11T23:04:17Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=206480;date=2009-03-11 22:11:52-04:00
Stephen,
I am not missing the point, you however are avoiding one though. You cannot admit that you are part of a small group of people who are trying to force their lifestyle upon others any way they can including the use of terrorism.]]> 2009-03-12T02:11:52Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206666;date=2009-03-12 11:15:05-04:00
Hypothetical situations aside, the point wasn't, do you consider a mink equal to your mother so that in a life or death situation, who would you choose. The point was this, if you're in any type of relationship of inequality, you run a greater risk of being abusive to the lesser because you consider them to be inferior. Case in point, Nazis to Jews, Humans to Animals, etc.]]> 2009-03-12T15:15:05Z xendofthelinex@gmail.com Chris 75.162.109.174 wp_id=206762;date=2009-03-12 18:14:55-04:00 2009-03-12T22:14:55Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=206817;date=2009-03-12 23:53:58-04:00 dr.in a timely matter,they are considered cruel and unfit to keep the pet.The people were there to help the animals,since you all don't care.The fur farm are mean and I wish they would get a taste of their own medicine and live to talk about it.I don't think it is right to hurt others,but I don't think hurting animals in a real bad way all around is right either.Fur is not needed to live and stay warm.You want to wear fur,go to a research lab, maybe they can help you grow your own.
Darla]]> 2009-03-13T03:53:58Z faith31961@yahoo.com darla hill 65.25.74.80 wp_id=211654;date=2009-03-27 12:34:03-04:00
The astounding part is that ALF could be called the NUMBER ONE domestic terror threat by the FBI, when they've murdered no one (and so disorganized that it's more of a 'movement' than any coherent group), at the same time that the RIGHT-WING domestic terrorists who've infiltrated the US Army (see below), not only murdered, are somehow considered less of a threat. I'll make an educated guess that the 2 most-likely situations are:

1. the FBI's assessment of DOMESTIC terrorists is as boneheaded as the FBI losing a few thousand laptops per year with classified info and their (non) prevention and (poor) reaction before and after 911 with FOREIGN terrorists (S.N.A.F.U.);
or else...
2. given that the US Army was investigated on how much racist groups are infiltrating their ranks (not IF they are, that was established long ago, but rather HOW MUCH):

http://www.splcenter.org/intel...
http://www.independent.co.uk/n...
. . . perhaps the FBI --instead of the Army-- needs an _independent_ assessment of how many neo-Nazi gangsters collect an FBI paycheck and put on a pointy hood the same night after being paid with taxpayer dollars to work all day (and help their neo-Nazi friends as they work, by mis-allocating the FBI's resources, by pretending that ALF/ELF are more of a threat than neo-Nazi groups). The US Army and FBI said racists are diverting Army weapons into the hands of racist groups in news articles like the above...and that it wasn't a few scattered individuals, but often a coordinated effort, and the same absolutely can happen in the FBI instead of the Army. ...I wonder if non-white racists like the BPP or Farrakhan's thugs are doing the same as the neo-Nazis, but haven't seen it investigated (of course, now that the POTUS is part black, I'd expect a crackdown on Nazis...but hope we don't swing into a "look the other way" attitude to favor the _opposite_ racist thugs).

What else could have caused Bush's FBI to consider the more murderous and more organized domestic groups as LESS of a threat than the ALF/ELF, besides those two options? Is ALF trying to obtain WMD's whereas the neo-Nazis are not? (snort, chortle, we'll find the WMD's that Iraq had before we find the ALF's WMDs!) Whether by accident (SNAFU) --or purposeful corruption-- neither is acceptable.]]> 2009-03-27T16:34:03Z jhr8888@gmail.com Mathematekoi Ingenieur 24.155.22.160 wp_id=211878;date=2009-03-28 02:01:32-04:00 2009-03-28T06:01:32Z contactjamessaunders@yahoo.com James 70.250.152.52 wp_id=217649;date=2009-04-16 19:47:23-04:00 2009-04-16T23:47:23Z e@anonymous.disqus.net E 98.229.136.115 wp_id=227420;date=2009-09-03 15:43:17-04:00 2009-09-03T19:43:17Z wtr2000@hotmail.com Meat Eater 216.194.124.36 wp_id=228581;date=2009-09-23 16:01:28-04:00 2009-09-23T20:01:28Z jellysky@gmail.com jellysky 38.96.147.134 wp_id=230106;date=2009-10-22 12:54:14-04:00 2009-10-22T16:54:14Z rightauk@sisqtel.net Flu-Bird 198.68.23.175 wp_id=233367;date=2009-12-11 22:38:58-05:00 2009-12-12T03:38:58Z fslkjsdflkj@yahoo.com Frank 72.49.224.106 wp_id=205793;date=2009-03-09 10:33:44-04:00 2009-03-09T14:33:44Z safeinhevndead@hotmail.com brad 24.152.217.205 wp_id=205871;date=2009-03-09 17:50:49-04:00 2009-03-09T21:50:49Z mike_g@anonymous.disqus.net mike g 72.231.134.32 wp_id=206056;date=2009-03-10 12:04:03-04:00
https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin...

And kudos to those activists for refusing to testify in front of the grand jury! Jordan is having his contempt of court hearing this Friday at 8:30 AM, and he also needs a lot of support!]]> 2009-03-10T16:04:03Z slaam801@gmail.com SLAAM 72.25.161.10 wp_id=206135;date=2009-03-10 18:10:37-04:00 2009-03-10T22:10:37Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com R. Mueller 98.233.33.140 wp_id=206804;date=2009-03-12 21:10:12-04:00
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&am...

2 charged in mink farm break-in free before trial
March 12th, 2009 @ 12:15pm
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- A federal magistrate judge is allowing two men indicted in a break-in at a South Jordan mink farm to be released before their May 11 trial.

William James Viehl, 22, of Layton, and Alex Jason Hall, 20, of Ogden, were ordered not to have contact with members of the Animal Liberation Front or the Straight Edge movement. Court records show they also will be monitored electronically.

In August, hundreds of mink were released and breeding records destroyed at the McMullin mink farm. Shortly afterward, the Animal Liberation Front posted a statement from a "local soldier out of Utah" taking credit for the incident.

Each man has pleaded not guilty to one felony count related to the McMullin mink farm and one misdemeanor count related to an attempted attack at a mink farm in Hyrum on Oct. 18

Information from: Deseret News

(Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)]]> 2009-03-13T01:10:12Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 75.80.173.179 wp_id=220873;date=2009-05-21 15:54:39-04:00 2009-05-21T19:54:39Z moneybags@anonymous.disqus.net MoneyBags! 71.37.124.37 wp_id=206637;date=2009-03-12 09:09:52-04:00
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...]]> 2009-03-12T13:09:52Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206652;date=2009-03-12 10:24:53-04:00 2009-03-12T14:24:53Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 208.20.7.66 wp_id=206663;date=2009-03-12 10:57:38-04:00 2009-03-12T14:57:38Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206673;date=2009-03-12 11:54:43-04:00 2009-03-12T15:54:43Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.151.129.26 wp_id=208628;date=2009-03-19 09:59:47-04:00 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

Notice that the (pro-hunt ?) 2nd reporter gets it wrong:
‘Mr Morse, 48, died after he was hit by the aircraft at Long Marston, near Stratford-upon-Avon, as he followed a hunt.’

But if the first report was correct, that is, that the hunt was 13 miles from the airfield, Mr Morse seems to have been following the gyrocopter, not the hunt.
Also Anonymous, it really isn’t clear whether or not it was an accident.
I’d hope it was an accident.
Though I personally wouldn’t go any where near a gyrocopter –they’re too dangerous, for me, that is. Maybe the hunter was mad, angry I mean, and didn’t think about what he was doing, on an airfield.

Joe, I think what you’re trying to say is that now animal rights activists have killed someone, it’s terrorism ? I’d agree with you, if it wasn't an accident, and if people felt terrorised only by death, but they don’t. People can be terrorised by many things. Many people can be terrorised by living near to a slaughter house, knowing that animals of species other than their own, are being killed in there.]]> 2009-03-19T13:59:47Z simonds@no-log.org Simon 82.233.40.191 wp_id=212868;date=2009-03-30 11:44:31-04:00
In fact, in the case of the gyrocopter death, if hunters accepted that hunting is now unlawful in the UK, and found something more useful and constructive to do with their spare time, then surely
the death would not have occurred anyway?

One thing is certain: Many people will *NOT* be mourning the hunt supporter's death. Myself included.]]> 2009-03-30T15:44:31Z strike_x321@yahoo.com Dr David Mitchell 90.196.182.217 wp_id=206638;date=2009-03-12 09:10:53-04:00 2009-03-12T13:10:53Z drew.r.wilson@gmail.com Drew 68.118.246.104 wp_id=206641;date=2009-03-12 09:28:21-04:00 2009-03-12T13:28:21Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.115 wp_id=206642;date=2009-03-12 09:30:20-04:00

“If we really believe that animals have the same right to be free from pain and suffering at our hands, then, of course we’re going to be, as a movement, blowing things up and smashing windows … I think it’s a great way to bring about animal liberation … I think it would be great if all of the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories, and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow. I think it's perfectly appropriate for people to take bricks and toss them through the windows ... Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it.
— Bruce Friedrich, PETA’s vegan campaign coordinator



“Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective. We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works.”
— Ingrid Newkirk, in the April 8, 2002 issue of US News & World Report




“Our campaigns are always geared towards children and they always will be”
— PETA vice president Dan Matthews, on the Fox News Network


“I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals out or burn them down.”
— "National Animal Rights Convention"


“Perhaps the mere idea of receiving a nasty missive will allow animal researchers to empathize with their victims for the first time in their lousy careers. I find it small wonder that the laboratories aren’t all burning to the ground. If I had more guts, I’d light a match.”
— The Chronicle of Higher Education



“I think [food producers] should appreciate that we’re only targeting their property. Because frankly I think it’s time to start targeting them.”
— "Conference on Organized Resistance," American University



“Did we euthanize some animals who could have been adopted? Maybe.”
— PETA's Domestic Animal Issues & Abuse Department director Daphna Nachminovitch, in The Virginian-Pilot


“Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft are ‘acceptable crimes’ when used for the animal cause.”
— PETA co-founder Alex Pacheco lists the “acceptable” tactics to fight for animal rights, Associated Press


“I love fire, be it around a campfire with friends or when consuming an empty fur farm, animal laboratory or luxury condominium built on the homes of my animal relations.”
— Former ALF member and PETA grantee Rodney Coronado in Earth First! Journal]]> 2009-03-12T13:30:20Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206646;date=2009-03-12 09:39:40-04:00
I love the thought of terrorism legislation being used to actually protect activist groups rather than corporate hacks.]]> 2009-03-12T13:39:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=206651;date=2009-03-12 10:17:35-04:00 1) All of those quotes and cut and pasted from "ActivistCash.com," which is a project of the Center for Consumer Freedom... the source of this scare-mongering PR campaign. That's even worse than citing Wikipedia.
2) Even if you truly believe all of their PR campaign, explain to me how people using WORDS justifies sending out warnings of VIOLENCE.
3) And even if you truly believe Peta is in cahoots with the Animal Liberation Front, this still doesn't make any sense. ALF actions aren't randomly targeted (as CCF sent this letter of warning to everyone in the area).]]> 2009-03-12T14:17:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=206653;date=2009-03-12 10:25:59-04:00 “Our campaigns are always geared towards children and they always will be”
— PETA vice president Dan Matthews, on the Fox News Network

This is clearly not a threat of violence. Use some sense before you cut and paste.]]> 2009-03-12T14:25:59Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 208.20.7.66 wp_id=206662;date=2009-03-12 10:54:37-04:00
Second, just because I found those quotes at ActivistCash doesn't change the fact that they are true quotes from top Peta people and supporters.

Third, its because of the words that peta has used that a warning is necessary. Look at what they have said most are extremely violent.

Fourth, Peta is in "cahoots" with the ALF, they proved that fact when they gave $70,000 dollars to Rod Coranado to help defend him when he blew up a research lab. Also papers that were in the lab at the time of the attack were sent by Coranado to Ingrid Newkirk by Fedex but were seized by the FBI before reaching her.

If I were moving into this neighborhood I would welcome such a warning. This is no different than being warned about a child molester moving into your area, doesn't mean he will do anything but at least you know hes there and can take precautions.]]> 2009-03-12T14:54:37Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206665;date=2009-03-12 11:00:34-04:00 2009-03-12T15:00:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=206669;date=2009-03-12 11:27:41-04:00 2009-03-12T15:27:41Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206670;date=2009-03-12 11:29:19-04:00
"Second, just because I found those quotes at ActivistCash doesn’t change the fact that they are true quotes from top Peta people and supporters."

so if i copied and pasted quotes from Bush's racist supporters, I'd be representing the opinions and beliefs of the Republican party?


"If I were moving into this neighborhood I would welcome such a warning. This is no different than being warned about a child molester moving into your area, doesn’t mean he will do anything but at least you know hes there and can take precautions."

and i'm sorry but that's just a terribly cute, ignorant quote. PETA isn't NEARLY as harmful as so many lobbyists loitering around Washington, DC. They couldn't afford to be harmful with their spotlight and presence. They'd lose all of their celebrity endorsements. It's still a business.

Jack]]> 2009-03-12T15:29:19Z jackeesad@yahoo.com Jack 69.114.225.87 wp_id=206674;date=2009-03-12 12:02:14-04:00 2009-03-12T16:02:14Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206676;date=2009-03-12 12:03:03-04:00
What, you mean the facility that was researching life-saving ways to breed mink to have thicker pelts faster so they could be anally electrocuted so they could be made into coats for rich people? And was set on fire, not blown up? Oh. Okay.

The thing in question here isn't PETA's kill rate, don't try to change the subject. I don't even like PETA, I don't think they do much to help animals, but that's irrelevant to what we're talking about. We're talking about completely legal speech being called terrorism, which if you care about freedom (y'know, the kind in the constitution, not the kind on the CCF's website), should send up a red-flag for you. Look up laws regarding threats, none of those comments given context could even remotely be construed as threats in a court room.

Also, if you really equate using over the top rhetoric to express hatred towards an industry with molesting children then you should probably see a psychiatrist because you're dreadfully out of touch with reality.

And seriously, without a date or a speaker none of those quotes have any validity as documenting that they were said, let alone proving that they're somehow threats.]]> 2009-03-12T16:03:03Z dave@anonymous.disqus.net Dave 69.114.85.110 wp_id=206679;date=2009-03-12 12:14:06-04:00
Look again most of the quotes I posted have the speakers listed.]]> 2009-03-12T16:14:06Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206681;date=2009-03-12 12:50:17-04:00 — “National Animal Rights Convention”

“Perhaps the mere idea of receiving a nasty missive will allow animal researchers to empathize with their victims for the first time in their lousy careers. I find it small wonder that the laboratories aren’t all burning to the ground. If I had more guts, I’d light a match.”
— The Chronicle of Higher Education

“I think [food producers] should appreciate that we’re only targeting their property. Because frankly I think it’s time to start targeting them.”
— “Conference on Organized Resistance,” American University


None of those have dates or speakers. Only one of them actually has a date.

And for the billionth time, burning and bombing aren't the same thing.

And if it's actions specifically targeting a group of people engaging in a specific activity, how does it make sense to "warn everyone"? Clearly it has nothing to do with violence because American's LOVE violence as long as it's directed at brown people on the other side of the world.]]> 2009-03-12T16:50:17Z dave@anonymous.disqus.net Dave 69.114.85.110 wp_id=206682;date=2009-03-12 12:55:09-04:00 She gives out this image of being a really, cute sweet old broad, but I can see through her. Its just one big act. In the morning I see her busy in her kitchen. She tries to give the impression that she's cooking bread, but I know she's producing high explosives to use late at night in her AR terrorism, clearly aimed at bringing down the very fabric of democracy
I say thank god for all these wonderful people who are warning us about these murderous anarchical anti-capitalist AR terrorists!
I could write more, but its time for my medication....]]> 2009-03-12T16:55:09Z strike_x321@yahoo.com Dr David Mitchell 90.196.182.245 wp_id=206683;date=2009-03-12 12:57:56-04:00 http://www.peta.org/feat-worst...]]> 2009-03-12T16:57:56Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=206686;date=2009-03-12 13:14:29-04:00
Now I have not lived in DC in a while (left in 1994) but I suspect that the Dupont Circle area is still fairly progressive. I doubt that many of the neighbors actually care that PETA is moving in. I am certain that there are some Republican and right wing lobbying groups near the 1536 Sixteenth Street address where PETA is moving to, but again, I doubt that they care it is PETA who will be their neighbors.

I hope that PETA is moving their whole operation. Norfolk was always a very confusing choice for PETA's national headquarters. Talk about locating in a neighborhood hostile to your organizations mission, Norfolk, VA, has never been (and probably never will be) a mecca of progressive, vegetarian/vegan thinking. If PETA could survive in Norfolk and if PETAs neighbors in Norfolk could survive with PETA next door then I am certain that the neighbors of PETA in DC will not even blink with PETA moving in next door.

As far as the First Amendment, if we can all agree that PETA can say what they believe then we also have to accept that CCF and Joe and the other people who dislike PETA can say what they believe. The First Amendment is a two way street.]]> 2009-03-12T17:14:29Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=206689;date=2009-03-12 13:19:48-04:00

“If we really believe that animals have the same right to be free from pain and suffering at our hands, then, of course we’re going to be, as a movement, blowing things up and smashing windows … I think it’s a great way to bring about animal liberation … I think it would be great if all of the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories, and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow. I think it’s perfectly appropriate for people to take bricks and toss them through the windows … Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it.
— Bruce Friedrich, PETA’s vegan campaign coordinator

“Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective. We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works.”
— Ingrid Newkirk, in the April 8, 2002 issue of US News & World Report

“Our campaigns are always geared towards children and they always will be”
— PETA vice president Dan Matthews, on the Fox News Network

“Did we euthanize some animals who could have been adopted? Maybe.”
— PETA’s Domestic Animal Issues & Abuse Department director Daphna Nachminovitch, in The Virginian-Pilot

“Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft are ‘acceptable crimes’ when used for the animal cause.”
— PETA co-founder Alex Pacheco lists the “acceptable” tactics to fight for animal rights, Associated Press

“I love fire, be it around a campfire with friends or when consuming an empty fur farm, animal laboratory or luxury condominium built on the homes of my animal relations.”
— Former ALF member and PETA grantee Rodney Coronado in Earth First! Journal]]> 2009-03-12T17:19:48Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206690;date=2009-03-12 13:22:05-04:00
For the billionth time, the end result is the same..destruction and violence.]]> 2009-03-12T17:22:05Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206694;date=2009-03-12 13:38:07-04:00
Joe: You keep mentioning PETA's lousy animal shelter records as evidence of terrorism. Towards who, I wonder? The animals? In that case, wouldn't everyone who kills mass numbers of animals be considered terrorists?

By the way, PETA has said that they support what the ALF does, but so has Bob Barker. So have many of the people on this website. That doesn't mean any of us actually engage in any illegal activities.

If I claim to support our troops in Iraq, does that make me a soldier?]]> 2009-03-12T17:38:07Z supahgypsyroselee@hotmail.com Canaduck 66.183.102.169 wp_id=206695;date=2009-03-12 13:42:17-04:00
Ingrid Newkirk Co-founder of PETA

“Perhaps the mere idea of receiving a nasty missive will allow animal researchers to empathize with their victims for the first time in their lousy careers. I find it small wonder that the laboratories aren’t all burning to the ground. If I had more guts, I’d light a match.”
— The Chronicle of Higher Education, Nov 1999


“I openly hope that it [hoof-and-mouth disease] comes here. It will bring economic harm only for those who profit from giving people heart attacks and giving animals a concentration camp-like existence. It would be good for animals, good for human health and good for the environment.”
— ABC News interview, Apr 2001

“Would I rather the research lab that tests animals is reduced to a bunch of cinders? Yes.”
— New York Daily News, Dec 1997

“I wish we all would get up and go into the labs and take the animals out or burn them down.”
— "National Animal Rights Convention", Jun 1997

“Our nonviolent tactics are not as effective. We ask nicely for years and get nothing. Someone makes a threat, and it works.”
— Ingrid Newkirk, in the April 8, 2002 issue of US News & World Report , Apr 2002



Alex Pacheco Co-Founder of PETA

“We feel that animals have the same rights as a retarded human child because they are equal mentally in terms of dependence on others.”
— The New York Times, Jan 1989


“Damaging the enemy financially is fair game.”
— Washington City Paper, Dec 1987


“Arson, property destruction, burglary, and theft are ‘acceptable crimes’ when used for the animal cause.”
— PETA co-founder Alex Pacheco lists the “acceptable” tactics to fight for animal rights, Associated Press, Jan 1989

Bruce Friedrich PETA’s vice president of International Grassroots

Audio clip
http://www.animalscam.com/sour...



“If we really believe that these animals do have the same right to be free from pain and suffering at our hands, then, of course we’re going to be, as a movement, blowing stuff up and smashing windows. For the record, I don’t do this stuff, but I do advocate it. I think it’s a great way to bring about animal liberation … I think it would be a great thing if all of these fast-food outlets, and these slaughterhouses, and these laboratories, and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow. I think it’s perfectly appropriate for people to take bricks and toss them through the windows, and everything else along the line. Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it.
— “Animal Rights 2001” convention, Jul 2001]]> 2009-03-12T17:42:17Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206726;date=2009-03-12 15:20:32-04:00
Joe:
Cool. Now you have real sources. Unfortunately, who cares? It's completely irrelevant, because nothing about those quotes in any way indicates that anyone in the surrounding area (except for a vivisector) really has anything to worry about, and even then, none of those statements in any way constitute a threat.


To quote you:

"For the billionth time, the end result is the same..destruction and violence."

1. An explosion explodes. Seems pretty simple eh? That results in lots of things flying all over the place, which makes it a lot more likely someone is going to get injured.

2. Explain to me how burning down an empty building, which is an inanimate object, is violence, and then explain to me how buying a product or tacitly endorsing the use of a product that is created through acts of violence (by any definition) isn't violent. And after that explain to me what your huge problem with violence is, seeing as you live in the United States which has one of the most violent societies in human history.]]> 2009-03-12T19:20:32Z dave@anonymous.disqus.net Dave 69.114.85.110 wp_id=206727;date=2009-03-12 15:34:12-04:00
It turned out that the Great Lakes were polluted by PCB, an endocrine disrupter. PCB is found in insulation used in the production of electricity.

The trouble was originally found by fishermen who also raised domesticated mink on the shores of the Great Lakes. They would go fishing, clean the fish for market and use the heads, guts, offal, to feed their domesticated mink which gave them a winter crop, providing cold weather clothing -- long before synthetic (chemically manufactured) clothing started to rule the world.

When the mink raised by the fishermen did not reproduce as they should have, the research was begun at the lab to find the environmental toxin. PCB pollution was discoverd to be the culprit -- it was in the Great Lakes, its fish, its wildlife, the entire eco-system. Turned out that the population of wild mink along the lakeshore had also collapsed.

So Rodney Coronado and friends destroyed early PCB research, research that was key to identifying a pollutant in the Great Lakes. Good job, Rodney.]]> 2009-03-12T19:34:12Z mamm@aol.com Mary Ann 207.200.116.8 wp_id=206729;date=2009-03-12 15:54:56-04:00 2009-03-12T19:54:56Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206733;date=2009-03-12 16:02:17-04:00 2009-03-12T20:02:17Z tom@anonymous.disqus.net Tom 171.159.194.11 wp_id=206740;date=2009-03-12 16:25:41-04:00 2009-03-12T20:25:41Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206744;date=2009-03-12 16:41:05-04:00
Dave, does this mean when the KKK burns a black church or the anti-abortion folks torch a women's health clinic in the middle of the night that these are OK actions that we should, as a society accept, as merely acts of political speech? If the twin towers were empty on 9/11 and if they were brought down by missiles rather than planes would those actions still not be thought of as acts of war? I am certain that the people in Sudan would think that it was violent when America to sent a cruise missile into a Sudanese pharmaceutical factory in 1998.

Does it really matter that a building was empty at the time it was burned? And how does anyone really know if a building is completely empty before they set fire to it? I am certain that activists believe the building to be empty but if their plan is to set fire to the structure they are willing to risk harming other people because they know that the fire could spread, or there could be explosive materials someplace in the building that could cause an explosion, and they certainly know that police and fire officials will have to risk their lives to bring the blaze under control. So the minute a plan is hatched to burn an empty building the planner have accepted and agreed to a certain amount of risk to human and animal life. Because let's be real, how many mice living in the walls of these buildings do not escape the blaze, or how many birds nesting in the rafters or under the eves of a building get caught up in the fire. Let's not forget the spiders and other small critters that inhabit all of our spaces. And let's also face the reality of the situation, the activists who set these blazes rarely stick around to ensure that the blaze does not get out of control or that there is no loss of human or animal life - if they did, that would at least demonstrate some consideration for the outcome of their actions.

I am not quite sure what kind of world people want to create through their activism, but if it is a world where anytime we disagree with another person we can wait until their leave their house and then burn the place to the ground - that will not be the kind of world worth living in.]]> 2009-03-12T20:41:05Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=206748;date=2009-03-12 16:44:37-04:00
You said:

"Second, just because I found those quotes at ActivistCash doesn’t change the fact that they are true quotes from top Peta people and supporters."

then...

"Jack, most of the quotes that I cut and pasted (from everyones reaction I must be the only one on the internet that has ever cut and pasted) were from PETA top brass not its supporters."

A little clarification might be helpful because 6 of 9 were attributable to PETA bureaucrats, and one of them wasn't a threat at all. I'm just confused because you changed the emphasis when it was convenient.

I hope PETA sends out a letter letting everyone know that some of the funders of CCF are engaging in "consumerist terrorism". Only a deeply indoctrinated fool would believe the silly notion that freedom and liberty comes from consumer choice. Not to mention the fact that no one who's actually educated in the subject would ever agree unless, say, they're on the payroll of a corporate front group.

Also, I don't think that, by any stretch of your fanciful imagination, Joe, helping with legal defense for someone accused of a crime is "funding terrorism". By that "logic" I would have to conclude that anytime anyone gives money to a legal defense fund supports the crime of the accused. And no, it doesn't matter that PETA's "top brass" have openly expressed support for violence. Am I anticipating your response correctly? That was a "preemptive strike". You know, real terrorism. Stop funding terror with your taxes, Joe. It's very unbecoming.]]> 2009-03-12T20:44:37Z tom@anonymous.disqus.net Tom 171.159.194.11 wp_id=206751;date=2009-03-12 16:49:08-04:00
No I don't. I'm just hoping I might guess and get it right. Why do you ask?]]> 2009-03-12T20:49:08Z tom@anonymous.disqus.net Tom 171.159.194.11 wp_id=206758;date=2009-03-12 17:47:28-04:00 2009-03-12T21:47:28Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206768;date=2009-03-12 19:18:19-04:00
The KKK burning an African-American church is a hate crime against a specific group of people who are not black by choice, but by birth. The vivisectors and murders being targeted by animal rights activists choose to use animals in their experiments even though it is unsafe and unscientific because ANIMALS ARE NOT HUMANS.

Many cases where pro-life extremists have targeted clinics have harmed and killed people because it wasn't during the "middle of the night." Many are targetting people, not property or financial structures.

Bringing up 9/11 is a terrible example. Again, there WERE people inside. If it were hit with a missile instead of a plane, that would be an explosion, not just a fire.

The bombing of a Sudanese pharmaceutical factory by American military forces killed a man and wounded ten others. Another terrible example because people WERE targeted and killed/wounded.


Homeland Security states that animal rights groups like ALF and ELF are the biggest terrorists threats to America, while Timothy McVeigh, who killed 168 people in the Oklahoma City Bombing is only considered to be an "angry citizen."]]> 2009-03-12T23:18:19Z dylan@anonymous.disqus.net Dylan 173.2.143.88 wp_id=206769;date=2009-03-12 19:19:15-04:00
My apologies to Dave.]]> 2009-03-12T23:19:15Z dylan@anonymous.disqus.net Dylan 173.2.143.88 wp_id=206771;date=2009-03-12 19:30:20-04:00 2009-03-12T23:30:20Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=206808;date=2009-03-12 22:00:02-04:00 I'd ban or block "Joe" if I were you.
You don't deserve Joe's harassment. And it's not your duty to provide him with space to spew his anti-animal-advocate BS. He can start his own free blog at a number of other websites.]]> 2009-03-13T02:00:02Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=206811;date=2009-03-12 22:16:48-04:00 2009-03-13T02:16:48Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206828;date=2009-03-13 01:31:20-04:00
I don't know what to say. So the KKK and anti-abortion activists CAN'T use the same tactics as animal rights activists because they have a different political/social goal? Do the ends justify the means in your opinion? If your motive is racial hatred then arson is wrong, but if your motive is hatred for whatever the people inside the building are doing that is OK. So, according to your logic, it would be OK for someone to burn down PETA's offices, as long as the building was empty, and that would not be violent or a hate crime because it was PETA's choosing to be an animal rights organization. Don't you understand how crazy that logic is?

I get that pro-life extremists have sometimes targeted individuals but in other instances they have just destroyed clinic property. So in those cases, where only the property is destroyed their actions are OK?

And I only brought up 9/11 because it has been brought up before on this blog in other posts. And yes, the buildings were not empty, but if you read what I wrote I said "IF" the building were empty and missiles had been used, I asked if it would have been OK THEN under the logic being expressed here. OK so you say missiles blow things up and that is not the same as just burning them down. Sorry, I really don't see the difference. An explosion is worse than merely an arson? Splitting some might fine hairs here. But OK if you want to go that route you certainly can.

You know, I get that people in the movement feel wronged when the government assigns the label of terrorist to their actions. And I get that people who have done much worse are sometimes not treated as poorly as other people who have done less. The justice system has never been about justice. What I don't understand is how people can feel so entitled to burn things down just because their beliefs tell them that the thing is wrong or the people behind the thing are wrong. I sell and publish radical books and people, since the beginning of time, have always taken it upon themselves to burn the books that offend them. Its just property, right? Nobody is killed by burning some radical books, right? It's still wrong! Just because you disagree with another person, or an institution, does not entitle you to destroy what that person is working on or to burn that institution to the ground. If it did, we'd be living in a pile of ashes. Because everyone finds something offensive. I think the Catholic Church's stance on gay priests is offensive and I think it terribly offensive how that institution handled the child abuse cases. But I don't think I have the right to burn Catholic Churches to the ground. I think the banking system is terribly offensive, as is consumer capitalism, but I don't think arson is the solution. I think the battle over evolution in the classroom is insulting to science and common sense, and harms our kids when we teach creationism as a viable alternative, but I would never dream of burning creationist text books.

Come on people, are we not better than this? Can't we fight for what we believe in without stooping to the level of two-bit thugs? Anyone can burn shit up, you don't have to be very bright to do that. Is there no one who reads this blog who thinks there is a better way to protest?]]> 2009-03-13T05:31:20Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=206875;date=2009-03-13 09:24:25-04:00 It all of your comments you condemn tactics, and argue with other commenters about historical examples, but you keep missing the entire point of this website. I'm not arguing whether illegal tactics should be legal, and I'm not arguing if they're effective or if they're moral. I'm arguing that labeling people as terrorists for political reasons, when their actions do not come close to any reasonable person's idea of terrorism, violates checks and balances, prohibits fair trials, and has a chilling effect on First Amendment activity.]]> 2009-03-13T13:24:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=206877;date=2009-03-13 09:31:22-04:00 2009-03-13T13:31:22Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206883;date=2009-03-13 10:09:53-04:00 2009-03-13T14:09:53Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206932;date=2009-03-13 12:35:09-04:00
I began my off topic post on this thread because Dave asked “Explain to me how burning down an empty building, which is an inanimate object, is violence…” I, did. Which then seemed to bother Dylan who felt like burning a building for a political reason is a more respectable endeavor then burning it because you hate black people.

What I find interesting on your blog is that while you write that "I’m not arguing whether illegal tactics should be legal, and I’m not arguing if they’re effective or if they’re moral." When people like Dave or Dylan argue that burning buildings for political reasons is OK, you, Will, seem to remain silent. If you disagree, then you should say that. Silence must be interpreted as agreement. Because when you disagree with me you certainly are vocal and proactive. You don't remain silent.

So if the point of this blog is not to advocate for burning buildings to save the animals and the planet, then one would expect you to remind these other posters that they, too, are missing the point of your blog.

But, I am flexible in that I can also accept that another point of the blog is to have a conversation about all aspects of this issue. I am willing to have a conversation and try to advocate and defend my views and I am happy when others engage and are will to also discuss their views. I understand that sometimes conversations drift a little astray because we need to establish some of the fundamentals before we know what we mean by different terms, ideas, and concepts. For example, I get that some people draw a huge distinction between burning something and blowing it up. It is good to know that there is this distinction because it can help focus the discussion in the future. I have also learned, from previous discussions, that the FBI is considered as an unreliable source when presenting evidence against activists, but is seen as a very reliable source, by folks on this blog, when presenting evidence against Al-Qaeda. That is also good to know.

It seems to me that if you are going to present a blog where people may post then at some level you, too, have accepted that the conversation will go where the conversation leads. Personally, I think I see things more clearly then Joe who posted all those cut and paste quotes from PETA folks. He seemed to be arguing that PETA was a terrorist organization. Now there is a guy who really misses the point of this blog. Of course, nobody says that to him because he is more fun to argue with and insult. What he writes just sounds crazy so we can get into a smack down with him online and that makes everyone feel good. I won't engage in smack down tactics with the likes of Joe because there is no way to win. Joe won't change his mind, and Joe does not really care what PETA is or what PETA isn't. Joe is just happy making people angry so this blog provides him with the adrenaline jolt he needs. I am willing to engage in a serious discussion, and I won't sling insults, and people seems to get really upset at what I write merely because I am willing to assert that burning down an empty building is violent.]]> 2009-03-13T16:35:09Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=206940;date=2009-03-13 13:08:37-04:00
Dave, having worked at PETA to save countless animals from cruelty (e.g. chained and starving dogs, starving horses, etc), I take offense at your claim that PETA doesn't "do much to help animals." Many of those at PETA, literally work day and night to alleviate animal suffering. Have you never looked at their investigations, the work they do in the field, etc? It's hard to fathom how you came up with such a cruel and unfair statement.

As for CCF, they are the ones who are dangerous. I wouldn't put it past them to vandalize PETA's new office in DC. If I worked in that office and took my dog to work, I would be sure he/she didn't eat anything from in front of the bldg. I wouldn't put it past ccf to throw out poisoned food. They are sick, cruel and depraved people. A number of years ago, someone carved "ALF" into PETA's "sad circus elephant" statue which was on display in Dupont Circle. While one could hardly see these three tiny letters, ccf "happened" to notice them and put out a press release about it. The idea that PETA would carve "ALF" into their own statue, which cost them a pretty penny, is absurd and nonsensical. Interestingly, one of ccf's operatives was seen hovering over the statue at about that time. CCF is not above trying to set PETA and/or others they oppose, up.]]> 2009-03-13T17:08:37Z sigh@anonymous.disqus.net *sigh* 98.233.33.140 wp_id=206941;date=2009-03-13 13:10:09-04:00 You made many claims in your very lengthy comment. The one that disturbs me the most is this:

"When people like Dave or Dylan argue that burning buildings for political reasons is OK, you, Will, seem to remain silent. If you disagree, then you should say that. Silence must be interpreted as agreement."

By arguing that my refusal to enter into debates about political tactics is tacit support for arson, you're buying into the exact same mentality of Bush's "with us or against us" War on Terrorism and McCarthy's "with us or against us" communist witch hunts.

I'm not playing that game.]]> 2009-03-13T17:10:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=206970;date=2009-03-13 14:53:55-04:00
I do fundamentally see a divide in the world between the people who assert that they have the right, no more than the right, the obligation, to use whatever means they deem necessary to combat whatever they claim to be evil - and - those of us who assert there must be another way. I do not say if you are not with me then you are against me, I say, if the choice continues to be a violent response to the people we disagree with then the solution that is produced will not be the solution we want - that is if the solution we want is mutual respect and peace and love. Violence will not produce that outcome. But if that is not the outcome that one seeks then choosing a violent path may be the most expedient way to accomplish ones goals.

I, long ago, choose the nonviolent path. I do not consider the people who choose another path to be against me. But if they think they will accomplish a peaceful end through violent means I think I am right to caution them that it won't work.]]> 2009-03-13T18:53:55Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=206978;date=2009-03-13 15:57:24-04:00
can someone get this guy a cross to get on?]]> 2009-03-13T19:57:24Z phil@anonymous.disqus.net phil 69.114.85.110 wp_id=206987;date=2009-03-13 16:31:51-04:00 2009-03-13T20:31:51Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=206995;date=2009-03-13 17:29:58-04:00 2009-03-13T21:29:58Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.83.48.207 wp_id=207000;date=2009-03-13 18:02:29-04:00 2009-03-13T22:02:29Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=207155;date=2009-03-14 09:31:16-04:00
Duh. If a dog or cat is adopted, it isn't unwanted and unloved. Every shelter which euthanizes animals obviously agrees with that quote--it doesn't make it their preference.]]> 2009-03-14T13:31:16Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.88 wp_id=207161;date=2009-03-14 10:00:19-04:00
Which isn't to say that I think arson is a particularly effective tool either, more because of numbers and power than because I oppose it on any moral grounds--I think it's far more moral to burn down a building where animal experimentation occurs than it is to perform the animal experimentation. I once wrote a column on this subject of violence and non-violence after reading a book on John Brown and I've plugged it into my link.

You've written a couple times that there must be a better way--care to share it and its results?]]> 2009-03-14T14:00:19Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.88 wp_id=207211;date=2009-03-14 13:57:18-04:00
“One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV.”
— The Chicago Daily Herald, Mar 1990

“Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation.”
— Harper's, Aug 1988]]> 2009-03-14T17:57:18Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=207212;date=2009-03-14 14:00:01-04:00 2009-03-14T18:00:01Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=207220;date=2009-03-14 14:54:28-04:00 http://burnedbookspublishing.b... and I have bookmarked your blog entry from your link above. I would certainly be glad to expound on my opinions in more depth but we should probably do that either on my blog or yours as talking about this seems to bother Will and misses the point of this blog entirely.

I will say that most people do not practice active nonviolence.

I will also say that, based on my experience in activist circles since the mid-1980s, the people who are the loudest and strongest proponent for a violent approach are the one who are actually working for the government or the corporations. The government has no interest in an activist community adopting active nonviolence because then when they arrest us or call us terrorists their claims seem so farfetched. The government depends on activists rejecting the nonviolent approach because then repression can reach a whole new level and society will accept that repression without question. That's just my opinion, but when the FBI puts activists on the stand for planning some attach it is usually the government agent within the group who was pushing the other members to carry out the attack and it is usually the government agent within the group who was buying the books, the chemicals and explosives, and paying for people to travel and make plans.

Any group who has a very active member who is trying to rush the group to take some violent action should kick that member out because they are probably the spook. Read any of Will's blog posts on how activists were railroaded by the FBI if you don't think this is true.

I will read your blog post later today and reply on your blog. Thanks for your post.]]> 2009-03-14T18:54:28Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=207344;date=2009-03-15 04:52:26-04:00 http://www.helpinganimals.com/...]]> 2009-03-15T08:52:26Z fredo@anonymous.disqus.net Fredo 98.233.33.140 wp_id=207452;date=2009-03-15 13:18:17-04:00 2009-03-15T17:18:17Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=207503;date=2009-03-15 16:57:53-04:00
And yes, the point of this site is that lawful activists are being called terrorists to chill free speech, whether arson is involved is irrelevant.]]> 2009-03-15T20:57:53Z phil@anonymous.disqus.net phil 69.114.85.110 wp_id=207516;date=2009-03-15 18:10:24-04:00
Again, I am confused by the banter here. Will writes that the FBI is infiltrating groups but you say "don't worry if there is someone at your meeting who wants your group to engage in unlawful and violent acts, to suggest that person is FBI is 'snitch-jacketing.'" So if we have to ignore the obvious, how are activists to protect themselves from the FBI or corporate insider?

What possible good can come from ignoring the obvious? More activists arrests perhaps?

I am beginning to think that there is no point to this blog at all except to hurl insults and to put more activists at risk. Again, I can't believe that Will is silent when people like you write stuff suggesting that we ignore the obvious and, once again, advocate for arson.

I'm not coming back here. This is pointless.]]> 2009-03-15T22:10:24Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=207530;date=2009-03-15 19:07:10-04:00
Most of the animals that pass through PETA's hands are unwanted, abandoned by there owners who don't give a damn what happens to them. Most conventional shelters are doggie death row, your figures are fantasy, outright lies. Cite your sources, and no, the Centre for Consumer Deception does not count asa credibel source]]> 2009-03-15T23:07:10Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=207545;date=2009-03-15 19:59:18-04:00
Unlike you who seems to have Ingrid Newkirks fist up your ass controling what you say and do (much like most PETA supporters) I have no such controllers. Other shelters deal with same problems the PETA shelter deals with except one. Most other shelters which take in as many or more animals than PETA does and have a far less KILL rate than PETA don't have a 30 million dollar anual budget like PETA does.]]> 2009-03-15T23:59:18Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=207559;date=2009-03-15 21:43:43-04:00 2009-03-16T01:43:43Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=207566;date=2009-03-15 22:10:19-04:00 2009-03-16T02:10:19Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=207809;date=2009-03-16 16:19:09-04:00
Whether PETA sucks or not is irrelevant, the point is it is a large NGO that does nothing but provide literature and raise money for animal issues. Calling them terrorists is absurd.]]> 2009-03-16T20:19:09Z dave@anonymous.disqus.net dave 69.114.85.110 wp_id=207826;date=2009-03-16 17:22:43-04:00 2009-03-16T21:22:43Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=207831;date=2009-03-16 17:55:45-04:00
It's a very sad, and scary, day when donating to lawful, legal defense counsel is equated with "willingly giving money to a terrorist group."]]> 2009-03-16T21:55:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=207903;date=2009-03-16 23:00:30-04:00 2009-03-17T03:00:30Z getreal@anonymous.disqus.net getreal 98.233.33.140 wp_id=207930;date=2009-03-17 02:03:53-04:00
I do not kill animals for a living at taxpayer expense, my salary comes out of the Pittman-Roberts fund. Sometimes in the course of doing my job I have had to kill, but it was always a last resort and out of need for human safety.

I am not sure how or why reason does not work but if you are an example the opposite of me then the world is fucked.

If you or someone like you were to try at give me a "good beating" you had better bring friends and alot of ammo. I carry a .45 all the times and I know how to use it.]]> 2009-03-17T06:03:53Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208056;date=2009-03-17 11:18:27-04:00 2009-03-17T15:18:27Z getreal@anonymous.disqus.net getreal 98.233.33.140 wp_id=208072;date=2009-03-17 13:14:24-04:00
I would think Joe, that you are the one who is a hypocrite. You trash PETA for euthanizing dogs and cats, but I bet you eat cows, chickens, etc. Unlike dogs and cats who are euthanized (e.g. provided a peaceful and painless death) farmed animals are raised and killed in horribly cruel and barbaric conditions.

As for your having "had to kill" animals "out of need for human safety" I guess you are right. Those beavers and geese can be really, really dangerous.

Finally, a world filled with people who are the opposite of you, would be a great one; while not perfect, it would be a place where animals were allowed to live their lives in peace.]]> 2009-03-17T17:14:24Z sigh@anonymous.disqus.net *sigh* 98.233.33.140 wp_id=208418;date=2009-03-18 16:57:44-04:00
I'm very glad we are opposites
I care for the environment and have dedicated my career to protecting it.

YOU- are a whinny little shitbag who most likely lives in his mothers basement and thinks he is helping the environment by reading a blog and making rude comments.

I have tracked down polluters who were then forced to pay for clean up and pay fines which went back into environmental programs.

YOU- think playing world of warcraft online is a job and do not contribute anything to the world.]]> 2009-03-18T20:57:44Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208419;date=2009-03-18 17:07:49-04:00
Yes I eat meat, but I am not a hypocrite. PETA protest shelters which kill animals(not as many as PETA does) yet see's nothing wrong when they(PETA) kills.

In world were only PETA is many animals would still die and PETA would be killing them all.]]> 2009-03-18T21:07:49Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208441;date=2009-03-18 19:21:12-04:00
http://blog.peta.org/archives/.../

http://www.peta.org/campaigns/...

I challenge you hypocrite (e.g. one who loves some animals like dogs and cats, but eats others) to show me one article, news story, etc that shows PETA has ever protested shelters that kill animals.]]> 2009-03-18T23:21:12Z sigh@anonymous.disqus.net *sigh* 98.233.33.140 wp_id=208483;date=2009-03-18 21:23:53-04:00 2009-03-19T01:23:53Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208492;date=2009-03-18 21:47:22-04:00 2009-03-19T01:47:22Z getreal@anonymous.disqus.net getreal 98.233.33.140 wp_id=208497;date=2009-03-18 22:13:35-04:00 2009-03-19T02:13:35Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=208503;date=2009-03-18 23:08:27-04:00 2009-03-19T03:08:27Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208518;date=2009-03-19 00:59:58-04:00
Secondly, PETA supports terrorism by funding the defense of terrorists like Rodney Coronado who was convicted and jailed for firebombing research labs at the University of Minnesota.

Thirdly, as for the assertion that CCF is a "front" for Phillip Morris, this is quite inaccurate.

CCF was originally known as the Guest Choice Network, organized in 1995 by Richard Berman, then executive director of the public affairs firm Berman and Company. Phillip Morris made an initial $600K contribution and was originally intended to defend the restaurant and hospitality industries against attacks from anti-smoking, anti-drinking, anti-meat, etc. activists ..." Philip Morris donated $2.95 million to GCN between 1995 and 1998.

In November 2001, GCN launched ActivistCash.com, which gathered information from IRS documents and other reports, revealing the sources of funding and activities of groups it opposed, like PETA and HSUS.

It wasn't until 2002 that the Guest Choice Network became the Center for Consumer Freedom. The reason GCN gave for the change was "the anti-consumer forces [were] expanding their reach beyond restaurants and taverns [and] going into your communities and even your homes," claiming that a broader organization was needed to act "wherever they try to take away your consumer freedom."

By December, 1996, supporters included Alliance Gaming, a slot machine manufacturer, Anheuser-Busch, Bruss Company, Cargill Processed Meat Products, Davidoff, Harrah's, Overhill Farms, Philip Morris, and Standard Meat Company. Also included in CCF's 100+ corporate sponsors is Coca-Cola, Wendy's, Tyson Foods, and Pilgrim's Pride.

And for those defending PETA's "killing" of those rescues that they claim to be freeing from abuse by euthanasia, here are the facts:

According to figures provided to the VDAC, year after year PETA has killed more animals than 80% of the animal control shelters in the entire State of Virginia. In 2003 the Norfolk SPCA was able to find homes for over 70% of its animals while the Virginia Beach SPCA adopted out 66%. During that very same year, PETA was only able to find homes for 14 percent of the animals they "rescued". Please remember that these are just the deaths that PETA is willing to admit to. The recent cruelty convictions of PETA employees that were caught red-handed obtaining animals from shelters and vet offices with the promise of finding adoptive homes while they were, in fact, killing then and then hiding the dead bodies in other people's dumpsters in the middle of the night.

I cannot see how anyone can support PETA in general and Newkirk in particular.]]> 2009-03-19T04:59:58Z galashelties@yahoo.com Galashelties 67.142.163.35 wp_id=208607;date=2009-03-19 08:13:20-04:00 I like how you say calling CCF a front for alcohol, tobacco, and meat industries is "quite inaccurate," and then go on to give some great details of how that's true.]]> 2009-03-19T12:13:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.80.206 wp_id=208624;date=2009-03-19 09:41:31-04:00 2009-03-19T13:41:31Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 208.20.7.66 wp_id=208661;date=2009-03-19 13:18:19-04:00
THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW THOSE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO PETA DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. THE EMPLOYEES IN QUESTION WERE AQQUITED OF THE POLITICALLY MOTIVATED CRUELTY CHARGES. If they had been found guilty of cruelty for euthanizing animals, then every shelter worker in the State of NC could be charged as well. They did in fact, dump the dead animals which Ingrid Newkirk condemned. That said, where do you think dead dogs and cats from this nation's shelters end up, in graveyards? Give me a break; they are sent to rendering plants or landfills.

Here is why PETA rocks: http://www.peta.org/about/vict...

HATERS, GO AWAY.]]> 2009-03-19T17:18:19Z sigh@anonymous.disqus.net *sigh* 98.233.35.126 wp_id=208664;date=2009-03-19 13:27:08-04:00
http://www.petatv.com/inv.html

Maybe Joe will learn something and end his cruel, violent and hypocritical diet.]]> 2009-03-19T17:27:08Z sigh@anonymous.disqus.net *sigh* 98.233.35.126 wp_id=208713;date=2009-03-19 15:14:53-04:00 2009-03-19T19:14:53Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208723;date=2009-03-19 16:02:04-04:00 2009-03-19T20:02:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=208730;date=2009-03-19 16:53:22-04:00 2009-03-19T20:53:22Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208738;date=2009-03-19 18:04:08-04:00 2009-03-19T22:04:08Z sigh@anonymous.disqus.net *sigh* 98.233.35.126 wp_id=208742;date=2009-03-19 18:14:53-04:00
http://blog.peta.org/archives/...

Check this out as well:

http://blog.peta.org/archives/...

Looks to me that PETA does a great deal of good for dogs and cats (e.g. the animals you seemingly don't eat).]]> 2009-03-19T22:14:53Z sigh@anonymous.disqus.net *sigh* 98.233.35.126 wp_id=208750;date=2009-03-19 19:03:18-04:00
Please don't fabricate things and then attribute them to me. My statement is posted above and your attempt to twist things doesn't do anything for your credibility.

"sigh": You are correct. Felony charges against Hinkle and Cook were dropped to 8 counts of misdeamor cruelty and littering. They were found guilty of littering and sentenced to 10 days in jail (suspended), $1000 each in fines, 12 months of supervised probation and ordered to pay over $5K in restitution. The defense argued that the prosecution was "out to get PETA" but why would the police officers lie? The shelter employees? The vet office staff? Are you so totally blinded by PETA's mantra? Do you even know about Newkirk's background as an ACO in the Washington, DC area?

I noticed you made no comment about the tens of thousands of dollars donated by PETA supporters to help animals that ended up in the pockets of lawyers defending domestic terrorist, Rod Coronado.

I am well aware that euthanized animals end up in rendering plants and/or landfills. Does this mean you condone lying to obtain animals with the intent of killing them?

I have been involved with rescue for over 30 years and not once have I euthanized a dog simply because I couldn't find an adoptive home and I don't have the $4M in donations that PETA receives. If an elderly dog is otherwise healthy, I won't euthanize it for my convenience. There are homes available for older dogs; I have several families that are only interested in adopting dogs over 10 years of age. We have a network of foster homes to help when our numbers get up. We work with the local no-kill shelters and help ease the burden when our numbers are lower and theirs are higher. Fortunately for these animals, PETA never got their hands on them.]]> 2009-03-19T23:03:18Z galashelties@yahoo.com Galashelties 67.142.163.23 wp_id=208757;date=2009-03-19 19:47:41-04:00 2009-03-19T23:47:41Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=208764;date=2009-03-19 20:25:44-04:00 2009-03-20T00:25:44Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208765;date=2009-03-19 20:27:42-04:00 I'm "fabricating" things? I quoted your comment!]]> 2009-03-20T00:27:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.172.98 wp_id=208768;date=2009-03-19 20:52:49-04:00
Oh my, must stop laughing!

Does someone seriously not know that police officers routinely lie?

And I think most people here, including me, are more likely to consider Coronado a hero rather than a terrorist.]]> 2009-03-20T00:52:49Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.99 wp_id=209011;date=2009-03-20 15:31:53-04:00 2009-03-20T19:31:53Z nick@anonymous.disqus.net Nick 98.233.35.126 wp_id=209014;date=2009-03-20 15:59:43-04:00 http://www.peta.org/feat/cap) and there were dogs and cats running around everywhere. Their bodies also littered the sides of the county roads; I had never seen anything like it. I doubt you ever had to deal with the large number of homeless dogs and cats PETA does. BTW, I paid a guy $20 dollars for a puppy he was keeping in a rubbermaid bin in his backyard in the middle of winter; a piece of glass covered the top. That dog rode back to Hampton Roads on the lap of one of my colleagues and lives with the PETA staffer and her other dogs till this day.
http://www.peta.org/campaigns/...]]> 2009-03-20T19:59:43Z sigh@anonymous.disqus.net *sigh* 98.233.35.126 wp_id=209052;date=2009-03-20 20:10:00-04:00 2009-03-21T00:10:00Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=209386;date=2009-03-21 18:24:39-04:00
The PETA employees then went to Barry Anderson a Bertie County Animal Control Officer and took from him 2 young dalmations and a terrier and told him they would do everything to find homes for these dogs. The PETA employees injected the dogs with euthanasia in the PETA van in front of Officer Barry Anderson. He asked what they(PETA) was injected them with and was told the dogs were being sedated for the trip. In fact PETA was KILLING the dogs in front of the man they just told they would do everything to find homes for.

*sigh* for someone who worked at PETA you seem to know very little about what goes on there.]]> 2009-03-21T22:24:39Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=209493;date=2009-03-22 01:38:58-04:00 Rod Coronado=not an arsonist. Get your facts straight. His 'crime' seems to have been careless talk.]]> 2009-03-22T05:38:58Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 120.16.34.176 wp_id=209727;date=2009-03-22 18:42:58-04:00
I find it sad that the author of this blog would allow so much attention to be lavished on Joe, who is obviously a troll without anything of substance to say. But John, who posts well written intelligent responses with many years of thought and care behind his words is told that he is missing the point. I can only imagine that Joe is allowed to have his say because it drives up traffic to the site through the anger that he provokes.

I understand what this site is trying to convey. But no point is worth the trouble of arguing if a logical cohesive argument does not back up the point. One cannot just argue the end result of the crime (the degree of punishment) logically without also examining the the crime itself (the factors behind it, the legitimacy of it, the motivation behind it, etc.). I.e., I think this blog only presents half the story if it only discusses the injustice of the degree of the punishment in depth without discussing in depth whether the crime was worth committing in the first place.

Thank you John for your solid argument. Your examples were excellent.]]> 2009-03-22T22:42:58Z jmrabbani@gmail.com jeannie 24.16.5.129 wp_id=209756;date=2009-03-22 21:13:03-04:00
I can see why you and John get a long so well. Once again, as I've said a hundred times now, these endless debates about whether property destruction is "violence" and whether it is effective DO NOT MATTER. The government and corporations are labeling a broad range of activity, including First Amendment activity, as "terrorism." Spending time condemning the activists rather than absurd "terrorism" rhetoric is indeed missing the point.

I really question the motivations of folks like you and John who seem to think it's the activists who should be under scrutiny, because you don't think the "crime was worth committing," rather than corporations, politicians, the FBI and others using the War on Terrorism to push their political agenda. By all means, debate tactics until the cows come home. Meanwhile, the government is going to continue labeling more and more people as "terrorists."]]> 2009-03-23T01:13:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.101.238.159 wp_id=209768;date=2009-03-22 22:01:36-04:00 2009-03-23T02:01:36Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=209772;date=2009-03-22 22:10:36-04:00 2009-03-23T02:10:36Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=209867;date=2009-03-23 03:08:57-04:00 Though it's not of any great consequence, your quote may give the false appearance that John and I are buddies that hang out at the coffee shop. Perhaps I have been remiss in not addressing him by his full user name. In any case, for the record, I do not know him, and to my knowledge I have never read anything written by this person before today. My compliments to his posts still stand, however.

It's easy to just dismiss anyone who attempts to get to the root of the matter as "missing the point." I have followed the actions of the Bush administration going back to early in the year 2001 when the Bush admin set up a regulation that his political protesters be cordoned off far away from him and not be allowed to demonstrate anywhere near his royal presence. Even before 9/11 forces were being set into place behind the scenes to curtail citizens from speaking up, making a stand, and most especially from being heard. Many of the people who have suddenly "woken up" these past few years and are now up in arms about their loss of freedoms were patriotically waving US flags and bowing down to Bush back in 2001, 2002, etc. My point is that I have long been aware and informed about the way the "war on terrorism" has been effectively used to muffle those who try to speak the truth. I have only the utmost respect for activists who stand up to the forces that be (in a nonviolent fashion) - and particularly those that have done so from *the beginning*. But that doesn't mean that every Tom, Dick, or Harriet who claims to be an activist is doing good for the movement. Nor is every action an activist carries out a good and meaningful act just because it is done in the name of that for which they are fighting for, whether it be animals, the environment, etc. Each act must be judged upon its own individual merits. It's the motivation of people like you, Will, that I actually question. You seem to throw a protective blanket over all activists (good or bad, effective or ineffective) and point fingers at the "system" without giving any in depth thought to the efficacy of the actions overall. The system has long been wrong...but the majority of Americans have been wrong as well. Not only the Americans who could have stood up to the Bush-Industrial complex years ago instead of sitting around watching Monday Night Football or maxing out their credit cards at the local mall. But also culpable are those who decided that a matchstick, pick lock, or brick was the answer to the solutions they seek.

Green is not the new red. If your rhetoric is to be believed, RED IS THE NEW GREEN.

I'll take my leave after posting this. This blog lacks adequate discussions regarding the distinctions between ends and means, which is an essential part of any issues regarding activism, including the govt's response, portrayal, and final treatment of various approaches to activism. Instead, this blog is simply a bullheaded, empty crusade against the govt. (activists good, govt bad, arghh!) without any thorough or comprehensive thought processes to back it up. This site is not going to accomplish much except rallying and riling up those who are already ready to take up arms for their underdeveloped ideas. I'm sure General Best's minions (all 15 of them) are your biggest fans. Taking a look at all the links on this blog in the sidebar, it's really more than obvious that you strongly support MDA and activists/groups that use such tactics. So you are not being truthful when you say that debates about the efficacy of actions by MDA activists and groups "do not matter." Apparently they matter much to you, since you seem to be backing up their campaigns, missions, and actions. And anyone who questions these tactics is apparently "missing the point," right?]]> 2009-03-23T07:08:57Z jmrabbani@gmail.com jeannie 24.16.5.129 wp_id=209977;date=2009-03-23 10:16:01-04:00 I get it. Really, I do. You condemn illegal direct action and property destruction. You want me and everyone else to do the same. I have never said my views on those tactics on this site, but, for a moment, let's say I completely agree with you. That being said:

1. Even if you condemn those tactics, are they the same as flying planes into buildings, building WMDs, and sending anthrax through the mail?
2. Even if you condemn those tactics, do you think non-violent civil disobedience is "terrorism"? (Which, under the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, it is).
3. Even if you condemn those tactics, do you not think the sweeping use of "terrorism" rhetoric, against both illegal tactics and First Amendment activity, is having a chilling effect on free speech?

If you want to post another rant against illegal tactics, and accuse me of supporting them because I have links to prisoners on my sidebar, please do it someplace else. If you'd like to respond to the questions above and address the content of this site, please do.

Best,
Will]]> 2009-03-23T14:16:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=210169;date=2009-03-23 20:44:58-04:00
No, actually, if you read my post more carefully you would know that I don't want everybody to blindly think and do like me. What I would prefer in an ideal world is that people would choose to invest much more time into research and thought - to begin to think more critically and independently (particularly *before* they subscribe to a philosophy/belief or take action based on underdeveloped ideas).

I find most people who take up MDA have barely even accomplished the bare minimum of reading (or thought) necessary to even understand the practice of nonviolence and get an idea of its failures and successes in history. If the average Joe forsakes watching Monday Night Football because of events happening around him in the current climate, and he suddenly has some vague idea or receives a tiny glimmer of awareness that something is not right in the world, his brain snaps, and immediately he wants to wield a brick to make sure "something gets done." And, on the other side of the coin, I find many (not all) of the folks who are most vocal about calling the uninitiated (those new to the fringe) to arms are usually privileged indifferent individuals sitting back, snug as a bug, in a cozy armchair with a pretentious plaque hanging conspicuously on the wall behind them. Take away the brick-wielding neophyte recruits and the smug, narcissistic philosophy-loving leaders, and mostly of what you'll have left are the incarcerated. I realize I'm generalizing to a certain extent - there are a few exceptions to the rule - but for the most part, there it is in a nutshell. My point? Most of these people do not bother to invest time into properly learning about the nonviolent approach before they either act or selfishly call others to join their war. I don't want people to do as I do. I want people to research/read both sides of an issue and make choices based on a comprehensive thought process.

If I were to seriously answer any of the three questions you offer, we would need to have a discussion first about what terrorism consists of. And what constitutes nonviolent civil disobedience, which I am sure we disagree on. As well as what makes for a violent act, which I am sure we also disagree on. So I'm sorry I can't just come to conclusions as simply as you do.

My post was not a rant about illegal tactics. It was specific criticism that your blog does not allow for a discussion on the efficacy and legitimacy behind the various acts of advocacy that the govt. deems terrorism. Therefore your blog is missing a big piece of the picture.

But that is to be expected, because the main point of your blog operates on the underlying premise that MDA is acceptable and good (the links in the sidebar back that up) and forbids anyone to challenge that shaky foundation. Disallowing thinking persons to challenge the shaky foundation of your beliefs upon which your house stands pretty much insures that the rickety structure will continue standing indefinitely, doesn't it? Sure is convenient anyway. Funny, how the govt/corps that you so oppose operate on that same principle.

Regardless of my opinions, you will do what you will with this blog. I was merely pointing out weaknesses in the foundation. I think there is some merit in creating awareness about the unjust stigma of "terrorism" heaped on those who don't deserve it (those who adhere to effective and conscientious tactics). I just think that you are missing a big piece of the puzzle, and I find that somewhat irresponsible and disappointing given your high level of capability, intelligence, and influence.]]> 2009-03-24T00:44:58Z jmrabbani@gmail.com jeannie 24.16.5.129 wp_id=210202;date=2009-03-23 22:20:39-04:00
There are too many sweeping attacks in your last comment to try be respond point by point, but one thing that you have said twice now is that the links on the sidebar of this site is that "the underlying premise" of this site is that illegal action is "acceptable and good." A couple quick corrections:
1. Point to an instance, ever, of me writing on this site in support of direct action or illegal activity. Name ONE.
2. The links are to prisoners. This site deals with many ongoing court cases, and I frequently write about a recurring cast of characters. I can't think of anything more appropriate to have links to than the sites of those I'm reporting on. Further, linking to a site doesn't imply support. I also like to general political blogs and organizations that are loosely related to these issues.]]> 2009-03-24T02:20:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.137.137 wp_id=210278;date=2009-03-24 02:25:51-04:00 My apologies, I was referring to Mr Coronado's most recent incarceration. In reference to the 1992 MSU incident, Rod was technically only convicted of aiding and abbeting the action not it's actual performance, his subsequent activities could be seen to demonstrate a pattern of behaviour that is essential non-violent.]]> 2009-03-24T06:25:51Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=206887;date=2009-03-13 10:25:15-04:00 2009-03-13T14:25:15Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206892;date=2009-03-13 10:52:10-04:00
No one involved in protests at any of those locations do any of those things, so your comparison doesn't really make any sense. In fact, the AETA has been used so far only to stop people from doing things that all fall under protected speech in other contexts. Do you actually read this site or do you just post the same inane garbage every day once you get a rough idea of the topic?]]> 2009-03-13T14:52:10Z dave@anonymous.disqus.net Dave 69.114.85.110 wp_id=206893;date=2009-03-13 10:52:17-04:00 2009-03-13T14:52:17Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=206895;date=2009-03-13 11:00:36-04:00 2009-03-13T15:00:36Z teresa@anonymous.disqus.net teresa 98.227.70.12 wp_id=206903;date=2009-03-13 11:27:54-04:00
I love how animal rights "activist" deny everything, yet post everything they do. How is gluing locks protected free speech? How is blocking entry to a store free speech? How is breaking windows free speech? Here are just a few things I found from a search on these 2 LEGAL fur stores.

I do read this site Dave, I think Will is a fine writer who spends a little too much time protecting the dark side but reading this site I think helps me do my job better when I prepare for public meetings where AR people may be at.


From Bite Back
"Friday Aug 25 : Schumacher furs lock glued and spray painted 'If your conscience doesn't keep you up at night - we will.'

From Indymedia
The usual fake flowers, plastic manikins, and fur from tortured dead animals adorned Schumacher Furs display windows this week, while outside the Shop of Death a lively celebration of life, hope, and protest against unbearable cruelty was taking place. Throughout the day, over 50 protesters chanted, passed out literature, danced to live bagpipe music, chalked lovely pictures of animals on the sidewalk, celebrated the birthday of one of the protesters, and ate vegan treats (4 dozen cupcakes, 6 dozen cookies, banana bread, and a birthday cake).


Portland made history with the shutting down of schumacher furs but there is still much more work to be done. We must continue the fight and let others know that we will not tolerate fur stores in our city. Nicholas Ungar Furs, you are next...

We are going to be there every Saturday. Come and join us to stand up for the animals!

The store is only open from the the hours of 10am to 1pm on Saturdays so lets all get out there!


From ALF

Two locks were glued, windows smashed and glass bricks destroyed at Nicholas Ungar Furs.]]> 2009-03-13T15:27:54Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=206924;date=2009-03-13 11:50:22-04:00
Hey, if we're going to use Star Wars analogies, I stand firmly on the side of the Rebel Alliance, against empires.]]> 2009-03-13T15:50:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=206925;date=2009-03-13 11:51:54-04:00
Any kind of direct action that happens outside of that is not linked to the protests. PERIOD. Your argument, as usual, has no leg to stand on. If other people want to glue locks and smash windows, that's their own thing. It's got nothing to do with the people who are legally assembled (what? Freedom of Assembly, you say?) in front of the store.

Hey, slavery used to be legal. Let's just bring back all the bullshit that made up this country, eh? And why not? Don't people have a "right" to conduct their LEGAL businesses? Like slave trades and child prostitution rings?

Get better soon.


@ Will: Dude, they got rid of the cheese pump. :( Because the kid from Home Improvement and his wife got divorced so now there's no more delicious cashew cheese. I died a little the day that happened. When you see me, I will simply be only a fragment of the person I used to be.]]> 2009-03-13T15:51:54Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 24.21.198.222 wp_id=206926;date=2009-03-13 11:52:21-04:00 2009-03-13T15:52:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=206927;date=2009-03-13 11:55:31-04:00
No speaking events until I get me some cheese pump and a bowl of green and red M&Ms.]]> 2009-03-13T15:55:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=206964;date=2009-03-13 14:42:35-04:00 I understand what you're saying. But what you don't seem to realize is that the anonymous people who are involved with illegal activities (lock gluing, etc) are NOT the same as those who protest outside the store. I have been involved in hundreds of legal demonstrations, and let me tell you one thing--you are absolutely not allowed to block doors. When the police show up, as they often do, that is the first thing they say. You are not allowed to intimidate potential customers, either. All you can do is state the facts and hope that it will change their minds enough that they won't want to shop at that particular business anymore.

That's perfectly legal, and it should be in a democratic country.

If there was any proof that the protesters outside a store were the same ones doing illegal, underground activities, it would be a different situation. But there isn't any evidence of that, since it would be pretty stupid.]]> 2009-03-13T18:42:35Z supahgypsyroselee@hotmail.com Canaduck 66.183.102.169 wp_id=206976;date=2009-03-13 15:51:38-04:00
Both you, and the FBI's time would be better spent reading up on the Mexican drug cartel trained American teenaged 'hit men' who are KILLING U.S. citizens...now that's real terrorism!]]> 2009-03-13T19:51:38Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 75.80.173.179 wp_id=206979;date=2009-03-13 15:58:59-04:00
Keep reporting the Real Truth Will,

this is one of my Fav sites . Ian XVX

*ref Dark Side
I hate Star Wars but that made me Laugh]]> 2009-03-13T19:58:59Z hackneye8@gmail.com Ian 71.134.126.94 wp_id=206980;date=2009-03-13 16:00:25-04:00 2009-03-13T20:00:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=206981;date=2009-03-13 16:04:31-04:00 http://www.deseretnews.com/art...]]> 2009-03-13T20:04:31Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 75.80.173.179 wp_id=206997;date=2009-03-13 18:00:17-04:00 2009-03-13T22:00:17Z jstorhm@burnedbookspublishing.com John Storhm 67.169.207.71 wp_id=207037;date=2009-03-13 20:05:38-04:00 2009-03-14T00:05:38Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.171.152 wp_id=207052;date=2009-03-13 21:34:48-04:00 2009-03-14T01:34:48Z fredo@anonymous.disqus.net Fredo 98.233.33.140 wp_id=207073;date=2009-03-14 00:31:07-04:00 furkills.org you could understand why activists act despite a possible AETA terrorism enhancement felony indictment. The Womyn's Fire Brigade of Vancouver, B.C. firebombed numerous porn shops where rape & snuff films were distributed. If property damage is an alternative to inspiring a serial rapist/killer, I support that. The legal system is contemptuous of each new evolutionary social step because law is enforcement focused and not inspired to formulate, investigate and suggest advancements to social justice. If the legal protests become impossible, then illegal acts will be inevitable.]]> 2009-03-14T04:31:07Z veganimalien@riseup.net veganimalien 97.115.110.239 wp_id=207210;date=2009-03-14 13:50:12-04:00 2009-03-14T17:50:12Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=207259;date=2009-03-14 19:25:13-04:00
Bravo to the store shutting down.

LOL at the notice put up.

Joe, if you are in charge of wildlife, why do you think the people that exploit and destroy wildlife should be so protected but those who seek to stop that should have most of their rights violated? Just curious.

USDA are you?]]> 2009-03-14T23:25:13Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARphilo 96.236.177.187 wp_id=208535;date=2009-03-19 03:22:28-04:00
this is a great blog. thanks for writing, will! portland is great and i am proud to say we shut down schumacher.]]> 2009-03-19T07:22:28Z lunar_eclipse@hellokitty.com maya 71.236.175.68 wp_id=208605;date=2009-03-19 08:11:04-04:00 2009-03-19T12:11:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.80.206 wp_id=207729;date=2009-03-16 09:33:37-04:00 2009-03-16T13:33:37Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.139.143 wp_id=207745;date=2009-03-16 11:28:26-04:00 2009-03-16T15:28:26Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=207749;date=2009-03-16 11:54:14-04:00 http://www.thekingcenter.org/m... Are you saying that every case involving contempt should be treated the same?

I'm not "championing any cause" other than a defense of basic constiutional rights, including the First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and freedom of association, and due process rights of having an attorney present in legal proceedings.]]> 2009-03-16T15:54:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=207756;date=2009-03-16 12:31:52-04:00 2009-03-16T16:31:52Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=207764;date=2009-03-16 13:12:57-04:00 2009-03-16T17:12:57Z shinobibombay@yahoo.com Bill-in Utah 67.164.248.184 wp_id=207767;date=2009-03-16 13:22:55-04:00 Halliday is not accused of causing any financial damage, he is not accused of any crime at all.]]> 2009-03-16T17:22:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=207797;date=2009-03-16 14:29:09-04:00 2009-03-16T18:29:09Z shinobibombay@yahoo.com Bill-in Utah 67.164.248.184 wp_id=207810;date=2009-03-16 16:21:56-04:00
Really? REALLY? So being in contempt of court for refusing to testify about first amendment activity (like who you know) while being denied due process is the same as being in contempt of court with an attorney present while being tried for an actual crime?]]> 2009-03-16T20:21:56Z dave@anonymous.disqus.net Dave 69.114.85.110 wp_id=207848;date=2009-03-16 19:37:26-04:00 2009-03-16T23:37:26Z mike@anonymous.disqus.net Mike 71.222.104.168 wp_id=207850;date=2009-03-16 20:03:24-04:00 2009-03-17T00:03:24Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.171.152 wp_id=208209;date=2009-03-17 22:44:50-04:00 2009-03-18T02:44:50Z supahgypsyroselee@hotmail.com Canaduck 66.183.102.169 wp_id=210079;date=2009-03-23 15:27:36-04:00 2009-03-23T19:27:36Z hallidaylarry@yahoo.com TheDoc 67.186.231.35 wp_id=211546;date=2009-03-27 06:23:41-04:00 2009-03-27T10:23:41Z kroyhall@yahoo.com Frankie 168.180.221.4 wp_id=211785;date=2009-03-27 19:46:52-04:00 2009-03-27T23:46:52Z hallidaylarry@yahoo.com TheDoc 67.186.231.35 wp_id=215040;date=2009-04-05 01:32:40-04:00 2009-04-05T05:32:40Z jose1987@hotmail.com Jose 71.37.120.226 wp_id=218474;date=2009-04-26 12:14:10-04:00 supportJordan.com" and read more about how to help Jordan while he is still in jail.]]> 2009-04-26T16:14:10Z hallidaylarry@yahoo.com TheDoc 67.186.231.35 wp_id=220286;date=2009-05-15 16:17:24-04:00 2009-05-15T20:17:24Z whatever@anonymous.disqus.net whatever 161.119.83.51 wp_id=220561;date=2009-05-18 03:07:43-04:00 2009-05-18T07:07:43Z ljames121@hotmail.com James 68.29.206.167 wp_id=208055;date=2009-03-17 11:15:17-04:00
And now I can never forgive you.]]> 2009-03-17T15:15:17Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 24.21.198.222 wp_id=208113;date=2009-03-17 14:58:31-04:00 2009-03-17T18:58:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=208166;date=2009-03-17 20:53:24-04:00
I am psched to see you next week. I'm a from Des Moines and there are three really good places to get coffee. One of my favorites is Mars Cafe, which is within walking distance of Drake. Another is Downtown and is called the Ritual Cafe. There is also a pretty cool coffee/comic spot closer to the southside called cup o' kryptonite. If you check out the website desmoinesmutualaid.info you can find some cool local hangouts. Have any questions about Des Moines shoot me an email. Safe travels.]]> 2009-03-18T00:53:24Z democracyisalie@gmail.com Monika 75.162.27.76 wp_id=208217;date=2009-03-17 23:27:14-04:00 2009-03-18T03:27:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.65.27 wp_id=208611;date=2009-03-19 08:27:06-04:00 looking forward to the talk. I'll echo the recommendation of Ritual Cafe it's on 13th between Locust and Grand. Though Mars is closer to campus, Ritual is better :-)]]> 2009-03-19T12:27:06Z christen.bain@gmail.com Christen 71.214.222.61 wp_id=208621;date=2009-03-19 09:32:45-04:00 2009-03-19T13:32:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=208638;date=2009-03-19 10:49:24-04:00 2009-03-19T14:49:24Z exworker@gmail.com @dam 75.170.139.134 wp_id=208042;date=2009-03-17 10:08:22-04:00 2009-03-17T14:08:22Z veganiko@gmail.com xnkx 208.105.4.110 wp_id=208046;date=2009-03-17 10:31:42-04:00 http://americandaily.com/index... in my little alerts I get. I was so annoyed with the idiocy of the person writing it that I didn't even bother thinking more about it. I was sure you'd end up writing something anyways.

I can only hope that human beings on the whole are smarter than this and will see how ridiculous this terrorism thing is getting... Carrie Underwood?

I can't say I am entirely optimistic.]]> 2009-03-17T14:31:42Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.139.143 wp_id=208071;date=2009-03-17 13:08:55-04:00 2009-03-17T17:08:55Z safeinhevndead@hotmail.com brad 24.152.217.205 wp_id=208119;date=2009-03-17 15:21:08-04:00
Awesome she wants to support the Humane Society and just shows what lengths some "companies" "groups" and Yes even the FBI will go to discredit people.]]> 2009-03-17T19:21:08Z hackneye8@gmail.com Ian 71.134.126.94 wp_id=208132;date=2009-03-17 17:03:54-04:00 2009-03-17T21:03:54Z baily2@optonline.net matt 66.173.244.30 wp_id=208225;date=2009-03-18 00:58:51-04:00 2009-03-18T04:58:51Z sthomas4242@yahoo.com Ryan 72.9.71.80 wp_id=208238;date=2009-03-18 02:32:50-04:00 2009-03-18T06:32:50Z harry@anonymous.disqus.net Harry 97.93.77.15 wp_id=208413;date=2009-03-18 16:19:47-04:00
Shhh!]]> 2009-03-18T20:19:47Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.249 wp_id=210072;date=2009-03-23 15:10:46-04:00 2009-03-23T19:10:46Z htwining@hsus.org Hillary 67.142.130.48 wp_id=210509;date=2009-03-24 16:36:46-04:00 2009-03-24T20:36:46Z thebramble@gmail.com well... 63.78.129.180 wp_id=210564;date=2009-03-24 19:33:21-04:00 2009-03-24T23:33:21Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=217997;date=2009-04-19 23:34:15-04:00 2009-04-20T03:34:15Z brittany@anonymous.disqus.net Brittany 75.104.157.125 wp_id=208347;date=2009-03-18 11:50:15-04:00 2009-03-18T15:50:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=208353;date=2009-03-18 12:11:03-04:00 What I'm trying to get at is that I hate the usual seperation of *political* and regular prisoner and would like to see the lines blurred more. Just something I'm thinking about...
Haven't really clarified the entire thing in my head yet....]]> 2009-03-18T16:11:03Z there_is_only_now@hotmail.com Tyler Durden 68.188.80.85 wp_id=208359;date=2009-03-18 12:57:19-04:00
I'm with you all the way on prison abolition, but here's the thing-getting the good time bill passed does not preclude any other types of actions. There's no legislation that would be useful in a prison riot, but that doesn't mean that would should also work on things that will make a tangible difference in prisoners lives. Also, as far as not keeping activists separated from social prisoners, this bill affects *all* prisoners, not only activists. There's alot of people working on getting this bill passed, and most of them have no connections to "activism" in a traditional sense.
Lets keep working on ways to get rid of prisons, but also on ways to get our friends and family out sooner, rather than later.]]> 2009-03-18T16:57:19Z pafproductions@yahoo.com Steve Schuller 173.68.246.249 wp_id=208360;date=2009-03-18 13:22:51-04:00 2009-03-18T17:22:51Z supahgypsyroselee@hotmail.com Canaduck 66.183.102.169 wp_id=208361;date=2009-03-18 13:24:49-04:00 2009-03-18T17:24:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=208416;date=2009-03-18 16:29:33-04:00 2009-03-18T20:29:33Z daniellelthompson@gmail.com dt 208.20.7.66 wp_id=208452;date=2009-03-18 20:32:33-04:00 See www.Thomas.gov]]> 2009-03-19T00:32:33Z bucste@optonline.net steph 24.186.253.86 wp_id=208453;date=2009-03-18 20:38:00-04:00
Where and who said this? I have looked and I can't find any judge or prosecutor who has said this of these two.]]> 2009-03-19T00:38:00Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208457;date=2009-03-18 21:09:30-04:00 2009-03-19T01:09:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.63.183.188 wp_id=208458;date=2009-03-18 21:10:14-04:00 2009-03-19T01:10:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.63.183.188 wp_id=208462;date=2009-03-18 21:15:07-04:00 2009-03-19T01:15:07Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208482;date=2009-03-18 21:22:23-04:00 2009-03-19T01:22:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.63.183.188 wp_id=208495;date=2009-03-18 21:57:16-04:00
I only ask because when I posted some quotes from Ingrid Newkirk the other day, everyone got on me because some of the quotes didn't have names or dates on them. I wouldn't want you to go through the same.]]> 2009-03-19T01:57:16Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208532;date=2009-03-19 03:03:33-04:00 2009-03-19T07:03:33Z harry@anonymous.disqus.net Harry 97.93.77.15 wp_id=208537;date=2009-03-19 03:53:16-04:00 2009-03-19T07:53:16Z byrneaa@hotmail.com Ashley 70.1.225.95 wp_id=208606;date=2009-03-19 08:11:49-04:00 2009-03-19T12:11:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.80.206 wp_id=208717;date=2009-03-19 15:25:04-04:00 2009-03-19T19:25:04Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208724;date=2009-03-19 16:04:41-04:00 2009-03-19T20:04:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=208728;date=2009-03-19 16:49:21-04:00 2009-03-19T20:49:21Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=208729;date=2009-03-19 16:52:41-04:00 2009-03-19T20:52:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=210273;date=2009-03-24 01:54:39-04:00 2009-03-24T05:54:39Z sunshine1154@cox.net KAREN 72.193.252.44 wp_id=221809;date=2009-06-01 21:39:26-04:00 2009-06-02T01:39:26Z mysticalstorms0528@yahoo.com victoria 76.123.120.230 wp_id=208620;date=2009-03-19 09:26:25-04:00
Didn't the NYPD hold a home demo against the mayor awhile back? Why aren't they all indicted as terrorists too?]]> 2009-03-19T13:26:25Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 64.52.117.170 wp_id=208623;date=2009-03-19 09:41:13-04:00 2009-03-19T13:41:13Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com Matthew 72.229.97.6 wp_id=208625;date=2009-03-19 09:46:47-04:00
Considering how much hype those fliers got, and how the FBI was quoted in the press as trying to connect them to the placement of an incendiary device, I thought for sure they would have tried to play it up.]]> 2009-03-19T13:46:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=208655;date=2009-03-19 12:35:46-04:00 Maybe they consider saying "go to hell" as a threat. I'm Catholic. I've been threatened "going to hell" all my life! Evangelical types are always doing this somewhere it seems.(Give your life to Jesus!-The end is near! etc...) Probably the "we know where you live" stuff, too! It is very much "Fight Club" type stuff. So, I can see why it freaks them out!
Everyone is clamoring for change. But, the only way to draw attention, it seems, is to do something fairly annoying. I would love to believe that we could trust our government. It is a nice Utopian ideal. If the government would actually listen to the people and not the paid lobbyists things might get done.
But, no. They don't. They only pay attention to the BIG money. As often as this gets said, and proven, it still hasn't soaked in, yet. It sorta makes you wonder whose side they are really on.
America has a long history of Civil Disobedience. It is one of the founding principles to keep the government in check. And, yet, if one exercises this right, they are labeled a terrorist. Go figure. I am beginning to think that they are nothing more than hired thugs. A sort of legalized mafia. Which is sad. because i really want to believe that they are fighting for truth and justice.]]> 2009-03-19T16:35:46Z shinobibombay@yahoo.com Bill-in Utah 67.164.248.184 wp_id=208726;date=2009-03-19 16:13:26-04:00
that there is laws protecting hunters and vivisectors from harassment so they can keep on killing makes me wonder if satan could be real.]]> 2009-03-19T20:13:26Z baily2@optonline.net matt 66.173.244.26 wp_id=208737;date=2009-03-19 17:39:14-04:00 didn't know it was trespassing to ring a door bell and chant in the street. who was this really hurting?! Researcher could have just tried talking to them or acting like a normal human being instead of being prideful, pompous, and fearful & hiding behind the FBI and bureaucratic bs. And to live in a town like Santa Cruz and think you aren't going to have some repercussion or unsavory response is foolish. This is a disgusting abuse of the governments 'war on terror'.
At this rate none of us will be able to have a voice.]]> 2009-03-19T21:39:14Z jenayaw@hotmail.com twain 71.237.165.78 wp_id=208942;date=2009-03-20 10:52:08-04:00 2009-03-20T14:52:08Z hankl46@yahoo.com Hank 69.181.116.195 wp_id=208957;date=2009-03-20 12:14:11-04:00 these AIG home protesters will be dubbed terrorists]]> 2009-03-20T16:14:11Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 208.20.7.66 wp_id=209054;date=2009-03-20 20:14:11-04:00
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...]]> 2009-03-21T00:14:11Z mickey.mouse@aol.com ANONYMOUS 206.126.163.20 wp_id=209127;date=2009-03-21 00:22:04-04:00
it seemed that the aeta was just there to scare people from exercising their rights, i didn' t think the government would actually prosecute above ground activists for first amendment activity.]]> 2009-03-21T04:22:04Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.83.48.207 wp_id=209137;date=2009-03-21 01:31:53-04:00 2009-03-21T05:31:53Z feral_edge_revenge@anonymous.disqus.net Feral Edge Revenge 65.190.199.61 wp_id=209277;date=2009-03-21 11:28:48-04:00
That's a new one. Nice job pasting that link, mickey.mouse@aol.com, but unfortunately it never says anything like that. Neither does the criminal complaint, neither does the indictment, neither does any news article published about this case.]]> 2009-03-21T15:28:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.59.194.236 wp_id=209305;date=2009-03-21 13:52:49-04:00
Most people are talking about a home being firebombed, when none of the activists are even accused of that. Sigh. Now I know why some people are nihilists.]]> 2009-03-21T17:52:49Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 24.21.198.222 wp_id=218703;date=2009-04-29 12:08:43-04:00 2009-04-29T16:08:43Z rightauk@sisqtel.net Flu-Bird 198.68.23.20 wp_id=218712;date=2009-04-29 14:29:33-04:00 2009-04-29T18:29:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=229443;date=2009-10-09 01:48:22-04:00 2009-10-09T05:48:22Z jovoneskincare@aol.com Rose 69.235.32.250 wp_id=230672;date=2009-10-30 11:35:34-04:00 2009-10-30T15:35:34Z adad@111.com adadad 60.177.206.196 wp_id=209985;date=2009-03-23 10:56:40-04:00 2009-03-23T14:56:40Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com matthew 209.212.80.175 wp_id=209986;date=2009-03-23 10:57:08-04:00 2009-03-23T14:57:08Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com matthew 209.212.80.175 wp_id=209988;date=2009-03-23 11:07:21-04:00 2009-03-23T15:07:21Z matt@anonymous.disqus.net Matt 64.52.117.170 wp_id=209992;date=2009-03-23 11:16:54-04:00 2009-03-23T15:16:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=210143;date=2009-03-23 19:34:21-04:00 2009-03-23T23:34:21Z katie@anonymous.disqus.net Katie 166.70.38.106 wp_id=210004;date=2009-03-23 12:04:13-04:00 2009-03-23T16:04:13Z noemail@gmail.com @ friend 173.52.43.108 wp_id=210013;date=2009-03-23 12:43:06-04:00 Sure, we're not a threat in the way the media portrays us, we aren't terrorists in a way that we will kill massive amounts of innocent people, but we are a threat to our current way of life.
And we shouldn't be so apologetic about it.
And we will fight the state and Chuck Norris, and we will win.]]> 2009-03-23T16:43:06Z there_is_only_now@hotmail.com Tyler Durden 24.107.185.181 wp_id=210014;date=2009-03-23 12:45:11-04:00 2009-03-23T16:45:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=210016;date=2009-03-23 12:49:11-04:00
PS: Will, I think you meant to say the Utah activists were *allegedly* releasing mink from fur farms.]]> 2009-03-23T16:49:11Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 64.52.117.170 wp_id=210017;date=2009-03-23 12:53:06-04:00 2009-03-23T16:53:06Z xendofthelinex@gmail.com Chris 161.28.255.14 wp_id=210020;date=2009-03-23 12:59:29-04:00 2009-03-23T16:59:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=210021;date=2009-03-23 13:01:11-04:00 2009-03-23T17:01:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=210023;date=2009-03-23 13:11:27-04:00 2009-03-23T17:11:27Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=210027;date=2009-03-23 13:22:54-04:00 I know! And how are they just now worried about the national debt?! There was a surplus going into Bush (but still a huge debt) and NOW they're all up in arms (literally)?]]> 2009-03-23T17:22:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=210032;date=2009-03-23 13:41:44-04:00
and regarding tracy's point, it was in there within a beck quote; "before America allows a country to become a totalitarian country (which it would have under I think the Republicans as well in this situation; they were taking us to the same place, just slower), Americans won't stand for it."

see? same place, just slower.
what i find fascinating is that both left and right use quotes of the founders to support their various causes. i say let the founders rot. it's time to deal with the world in a way that reflects 2009. not 177whatever.]]> 2009-03-23T17:41:44Z umm@anonymous.disqus.net umm 24.152.217.205 wp_id=210044;date=2009-03-23 14:32:04-04:00 2009-03-23T18:32:04Z supahgypsyroselee@hotmail.com Canaduck 66.183.102.169 wp_id=210095;date=2009-03-23 16:45:34-04:00 -chuck norris can call for cells to violently overthrow the gov't without being labelled a terrorist by the fbi.

and an old one:
-contrary to popular belief, america is not a democracy, it is a chucktatorship.]]> 2009-03-23T20:45:34Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com dave m 69.206.167.103 wp_id=210101;date=2009-03-23 17:07:38-04:00 2009-03-23T21:07:38Z irspariah@hotmail.com irspariah 69.136.110.66 wp_id=210103;date=2009-03-23 17:16:51-04:00 2009-03-23T21:16:51Z jhaskell3@sbcglobal.net tofuatomic 76.217.34.141 wp_id=210105;date=2009-03-23 17:18:33-04:00 Chuck Norris, not the Jack Norris :).

Geeze. I think the real reason Norris ( Chuck, not Jack ) isn't in jail is that he isn't threatening the money flow of any business. AR activists are.

I loved his movies when I was a kid. I always feel a bit of regret when I read something he wrote and see how nutty he has become.]]> 2009-03-23T21:18:33Z beforewisdom@yahoo.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=210140;date=2009-03-23 19:17:38-04:00 2009-03-23T23:17:38Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=210150;date=2009-03-23 19:47:15-04:00 2009-03-23T23:47:15Z pewterbot9@gmail.com Zeke Krahlin 71.132.211.83 wp_id=210151;date=2009-03-23 19:48:50-04:00 2009-03-23T23:48:50Z emcull@alaska.net AKPatriot 209.112.197.39 wp_id=210175;date=2009-03-23 20:57:34-04:00 2009-03-24T00:57:34Z thetruth@hotmail.com thetruth 75.181.158.107 wp_id=210192;date=2009-03-23 22:02:49-04:00 2009-03-24T02:02:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.137.137 wp_id=210253;date=2009-03-24 00:17:32-04:00 2009-03-24T04:17:32Z dave@anonymous.disqus.net Dave 66.25.175.141 wp_id=210376;date=2009-03-24 09:21:12-04:00
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i...]]> 2009-03-24T13:21:12Z thetruth@hotmail.com thetruth 75.181.158.107 wp_id=210382;date=2009-03-24 09:33:28-04:00
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.


Oh man. You're right. Chuck showed me!]]> 2009-03-24T13:33:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.107.237.7 wp_id=210391;date=2009-03-24 10:19:46-04:00 2009-03-24T14:19:46Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.171.152 wp_id=210420;date=2009-03-24 12:39:42-04:00 2009-03-24T16:39:42Z thebramble@gmail.com well... 63.78.129.180 wp_id=210476;date=2009-03-24 14:18:36-04:00
Did you actually read his oped, in his own words? Give me an freakin' break. He specifically talks about thousands of cells organizing and potentially rising up, and now he's saying "Oh no, I never said that" because it has gotten attention and people are pointing out the stupidity of it. IT'S IN HIS OWN OPED.]]> 2009-03-24T18:18:36Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.13.25.144 wp_id=210482;date=2009-03-24 14:26:16-04:00 http://www.kansascity.com/116/...

guess what? ron paul didn't even destroy the property of others! you're not the biggest victim anymore!]]> 2009-03-24T18:26:16Z wer@egmal.com wreckage 99.187.148.220 wp_id=210508;date=2009-03-24 16:29:04-04:00
don't get me wrong, i think anyone with unpopular opinions will have a hard time, we are no exception, but i like to look at situations from both sides before i decide if there is something unfair going on.]]> 2009-03-24T20:29:04Z thebramble@gmail.com well... 63.78.129.180 wp_id=210899;date=2009-03-25 14:40:59-04:00 The point is that our comrades are being convicted as "terrorists" for chalking slogans on a sidewalk and wearing masks at a protest, and handing out fliers. If that's terrorism, why isn't Chuck Norris' racist, right-wing lunacy considered terrorism? Because he's not threatening anyone's pocketbook. Because he's a religious fanatic. Because he's most likely anti-immigrant, anti-gay, anti-anything to do with personal freedom and liberty.

Remember when the SHAC7 website was shut down? It wasn't because they were calling for arms to overthrow the government.

Frankly, I find your devil's advocate stance disconcerting. Look up a little thing called COINTELPRO. The FBI had lists of and infiltrated numerous antiwar groups, many of them student run organizations, simply for existing. People have been raided, had things stolen and destroyed, been confronted with grand juries and more simply because they dare to speak up and stand up for what they believe in. And yes, if an animal rights activists says, "I'm gonna burn this factory farm down. Oh, but that's tongue in cheek," you better believe the FBI will be watching them.

The point is that there is hypocrisy going on. The fact that Chuck Norris would not be labeled as a terrorist for first amendment protected speech (however crazy and ridiculous he may be!), only proves that animal rights and environmental activists, as well as anti-authoritarians are being targeted because they represent a threat to the status quo.

Whether or not you're "ready to decide" if there's something unfair going on doesn't reverse the political repression that is facing our movement and our comrades.]]> 2009-03-25T18:40:59Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l((A)ntz. 98.246.106.29 wp_id=211086;date=2009-03-26 02:39:19-04:00
IN MY WET DREAMS!! Oh please, just this ONCE, let these delusional, psychopathic, gas-bag, fascists be RIGHT!!! If they want to secede, let's create FEMALAND! Fence Satan's spawn in I say!!!...with the demons under lock and key, surrounded by barbed and electrified borders and under constant surveillance, our planet just MIGHT have a chance at peace...]]> 2009-03-26T06:39:19Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.208.25 wp_id=211332;date=2009-03-26 18:42:58-04:00
Just because the state is "red" does not mean that the ~45% who are not would go along.]]> 2009-03-26T22:42:58Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.81.124 wp_id=217033;date=2009-04-12 22:50:00-04:00 2009-04-13T02:50:00Z god@anonymous.disqus.net God 67.188.32.207 wp_id=218287;date=2009-04-23 17:22:44-04:00 2009-04-23T21:22:44Z bob@anonymous.disqus.net Bob 155.70.39.45 wp_id=218627;date=2009-04-28 12:11:44-04:00
If the left continue to force this country hard left, as what is happening now, you can bet there will be a revolution. I as a freedom loving American will be part of it, as I would rather be free than controlled by a tarranical government!
This is an idea forgotten by many liberal people like Mr. Potter. You hard lefties should all wake up. Keep shoving millions and millions of fair minded American into your ideological fantacy world and oh boy there will be a day of reckoning.]]> 2009-04-28T16:11:44Z eaglesecurity@gotsky.com Steve 12.213.224.56 wp_id=221677;date=2009-05-31 08:58:26-04:00 2009-05-31T12:58:26Z deeply_saddened@anonymous.disqus.net Deeply Saddened 71.204.2.223 wp_id=222825;date=2009-06-16 11:36:06-04:00 2009-06-16T15:36:06Z rockit4fun2002@yahoo.com jeffie 74.76.195.9 wp_id=222826;date=2009-06-16 11:42:01-04:00
That being said. "Jeffie": go troll someplace else.]]> 2009-06-16T15:42:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222830;date=2009-06-16 12:47:49-04:00
don't want to spoil all your fun - but let's just say you're not anonymous when you post to blogs like this - if someone wanted to - they could easily track you down.]]> 2009-06-16T16:47:49Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 205.201.251.58 wp_id=222831;date=2009-06-16 12:51:32-04:00 2009-06-16T16:51:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222904;date=2009-06-17 16:33:34-04:00
Everybody down with that? OK.

1. Right-wingers are not the only ones concerned about the FEMA camps. They really have been built, and before Obama was elected, some of US were concerned they would be used on US. And you know, they might still be. Given, y'know, that we have a Democrat in office and yet left-wing activists and anarchists are STILL being targeted. As they were, incidentally, during the Clinton Administration. I know you folks don't march in lockstep with the Dems--I don't either. I've never even voted for Clinton or Obama. But don't laugh just because a right-winger's saying it. You think a government that would produce COINTELPRO and routinely massacre Native Americans and allow African-Americans to rot and starve after our nation's worst-ever natural disaster wouldn't stoop to locking some of us up? They already did it to Japanese-Americans and Muslims.

2. Chuck Norris is a traitor. He sides with people with the same mindset as possessed by those who destroyed his people. He's part Cherokee/Tsalagi. You wouldn't know it the way he runs on. And he's not the only Native American, in whole or in part, who sides with the bad guys. There's someone calling themselves ComancheAmerican over at Mother Jones who acts as a neocon gadfly too.

3. However, you people are going to continue being considered marginal at best by most of us if you do what those of Chuck Norris's ilk are doing and dismiss everything "the other side" has to say just because they aren't explicitly on *your* side. I've seen righties and lefties condemn mandatory vaccination (for the sake of a little something called "freedom to consent to healthcare"), advocate homeschooling, AND complain about a too-large, too-intrusive government. When leftists do the latter, they're called anarchists. When righties do it, we call them libertarians and we hates them, precious. WTF?

I mean, I'm sorry some of them are religious, but so are the indigenous people y'all like to champion so much. Sometimes even to the point of intolerance of strangers. Where do you draw the line?]]> 2009-06-17T20:33:34Z none@ofyerbidness.net yeah OK 76.181.79.124 wp_id=222905;date=2009-06-17 16:38:59-04:00 2009-06-17T20:38:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222937;date=2009-06-18 00:28:18-04:00
Is "chucktatorship" original?

Thanks for the laugh]]> 2009-06-18T04:28:18Z salmonheart@yahoo.com Scott 64.136.26.230 wp_id=223165;date=2009-06-21 11:00:14-04:00 Bush threw around the whole terrorist word far too often, Obama is no better, and neither was Clinton. it has been 20 years since we have had a competent president. So yes by definition releasing minks would be on the loosest definition of terrorism, but that is BS. At most it should be vandalism, or theft. I am so tired of this nonsense, I am tired of the far left screaming racism or sexism everytime the right says something they don;t like. At the same time the far right needs to realize that not everyone is a freakin terrorist. In fact the federal government is a better example of terrorists than most anyone else]]> 2009-06-21T15:00:14Z johnny@anonymous.disqus.net Johnny.. 71.248.133.222 wp_id=224863;date=2009-07-17 11:21:40-04:00 I agree that he is a little out there, BUT he has the right to say anything he wants. At least I think I seen something about that in the constitution. If he wishes to spew @#@#@ more power to him. You can not compare him to organizations that actually commit crimes.]]> 2009-07-17T15:21:40Z jjackffrost@earthlink.net Jack Frost 67.134.192.2 wp_id=225179;date=2009-07-24 11:08:00-04:00 Religion is not part of our Government. It should not matter if you are Baptist, Catholic, Jewish, or Atheist. If you love our country and believe in freedom it is time to band together.
Split the country give the liberals, gays, and other malcontents their land. Laugh when these folks are attacked and killed by their friends of other countries.
STOP supporting the other parts of the world. They have been around longer than our country. They are not willing to help themselves and hate us for not doing enough for them.
It is past time for action and a call to arms. I believe there are enough men and women who agree with this to surprise even the strongest liberal and politician in the world.]]> 2009-07-24T15:08:00Z rickmasey@yahoo.com Rick Masey 70.218.168.251 wp_id=225430;date=2009-07-30 16:15:01-04:00 Progressives are my enemy. PERIOD.]]> 2009-07-30T20:15:01Z nowayjose@aol.com LibsRLosers 76.115.69.128 wp_id=227099;date=2009-08-29 09:49:57-04:00 I'm sorry you have been mislead, certainly, the Obama administration is only expanding the police-state policies the Bush administration has been pushing upon us. There is NO left or right wing. It is all a song and dance, a show. Entertainment at it's worst. The Federal Reserve has had the United States by the balls, which is why it's important, weather you are Democrat or Republican to vote for H.R. 1207, and AUDIT THE FEDERAL RESERVE. They stole from all of us. Obama is just a puppet of the corporation that runs our country. Please, find truth. And before you criticize me, look up information yourself, please. Study it. You may reply with an ignorant comment, but I implore you, please, look up the information yourself. Our country is in a world of trouble. It means nothing if you are D or R, just please, all of us, remember our founding fathers, our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, and please, don't let them take our liberties away. This has nothing to do with Democratic or Republican views. Just wanted to politely correct anyone who may be wrong. I won't be visiting this site again, just spreading this bit of news. Obama will only continue to carry out the massive Police State that enforces our lives, government will become more and more intrusive on our rights, until we say enough is enough. I do NOT advocate violence, rather, I think that by standing together, PEACEFULLY, and letting our politicians know what we think in a respectful way, we can truely change things. Remember, walk with the Lord, these are scary times. They want you to use force against them, and if we do, they will win. There is a peaceful, loving way to stand up for yourselves.
God bless, and thanks for letting me share my .02 cents. Please, when responding to articles like this, use common sense, do not bash the writer. Respect his views, even if you don't agree with them. We need to be more civil, we are becoming a country de-united. We need to stand as one American country.]]> 2009-08-29T13:49:57Z nobody_you_know@anonymous.disqus.net Nobody_You_Know 98.30.48.209 wp_id=227154;date=2009-08-31 02:54:35-04:00 2009-08-31T06:54:35Z ffhrrl@aol.com Billy 24.197.11.185 wp_id=233570;date=2009-12-15 17:06:26-05:00
I agree. I am a Regan Conservative and not real fond of the far left ideology like this website espouses but I do agree that we are ALL being manipulated by whatever 'force' (big money, some consortium, etc) that is ultimately calling the shots.
You can't convince me that last October's financial meltdown was a coincidence. Can't convince me that a candidate who raises 650 MILLION dollars to run a presidential campaign and win does not owe 'someone' some favors.

It's great to want total peace and nirvana on this planet but it is NEVER going to happen. Just isn't.

Our best hope is to join as liberals and conservatives and DEMAND truth and reality and representation from OUR elected officials.

Follow the money and that is where the decisions are being made.

Regrettably, I don't think that any of us can reverse the direction the tide is flowing in today.

I am a middle aged guy with no Grandkids so I will probably be able to enjoy the rest of my life in relative happiness but you younger people and kids are going to miss out on the joy that was this great country.]]> 2009-12-15T22:06:26Z wrknstf@gmail.com Keith 67.240.250.72 wp_id=210377;date=2009-03-24 09:21:45-04:00
Please send Jordan your letters of support!

For what is, is not allowed, look over the page at http://www.cachesheriff.com/Ja....

They are very picky so please read the bullet points.

Cache County Jail
Jordan Halliday
Inmate# 24836
1225 West Valley View Highway, Suite 100
Logan, UT 84321]]> 2009-03-24T13:21:45Z xendofthelinex@gmail.com Chris 75.162.216.178 wp_id=210378;date=2009-03-24 09:22:23-04:00 2009-03-24T13:22:23Z xendofthelinex@gmail.com Chris 75.162.216.178 wp_id=210426;date=2009-03-24 12:51:20-04:00 2009-03-24T16:51:20Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 24.21.198.222 wp_id=210474;date=2009-03-24 14:12:34-04:00 2009-03-24T18:12:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.13.25.144 wp_id=210379;date=2009-03-24 09:23:17-04:00
Please send Jordan your letters of support!

For what is, is not allowed, look over the page at http://www.cachesheriff.com/Ja....

They are very picky so please read the bullet points.

Cache County Jail
Jordan Halliday
Inmate# 24836
1225 West Valley View Highway, Suite 100
Logan, UT 84321]]> 2009-03-24T13:23:17Z xendofthelinex@gmail.com Chris 75.162.216.178 wp_id=210383;date=2009-03-24 09:37:23-04:00
union boss: "What are you gonna say to the grand jury?"
union guy: "I plead the fifth commandment."
union boss: "And if they give you immunity?!"
union guy: "I don't remember."
union boss: "About what?"
union guy: "Anything."]]> 2009-03-24T13:37:23Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com Matthew 72.229.97.6 wp_id=210385;date=2009-03-24 09:40:04-04:00 2009-03-24T13:40:04Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=210401;date=2009-03-24 11:01:22-04:00 joshharper.org, cough)
I always had a crush on his attorney. I feel old.]]> 2009-03-24T15:01:22Z chad@foodfightgrocery.com Chad 76.105.156.177 wp_id=210407;date=2009-03-24 11:24:48-04:00
Technically speaking that is Jim Rockford quoting Assistant US Federal Prosecutor Bevins during Bevins days as a private lawyer just before he got turned into a mean, white witch hunting machine.]]> 2009-03-24T15:24:48Z s@anonymous.disqus.net S. 144.35.254.5 wp_id=210431;date=2009-03-24 13:01:55-04:00 2009-03-24T17:01:55Z lv@anonymous.disqus.net LV 24.60.201.185 wp_id=210475;date=2009-03-24 14:13:51-04:00
Just rewatched it, you're right. Sorry for the error.]]> 2009-03-24T18:13:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 70.13.25.144 wp_id=210485;date=2009-03-24 15:01:39-04:00
Will, do I dare ask how you came upon this clip? I have an image of you and Mongo watching TV Land together.]]> 2009-03-24T19:01:39Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=210512;date=2009-03-24 16:48:27-04:00 Someone from Utah sent me the clip.

TV Land is a little too pedestrian for Mongo. I have to watch by myself. He only watches BBC News.]]> 2009-03-24T20:48:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.157.191.131 wp_id=210936;date=2009-03-25 16:59:32-04:00 2009-03-25T20:59:32Z hallidaylarry@yahoo.com TheDoc 67.186.231.35 wp_id=211012;date=2009-03-25 20:45:27-04:00 2009-03-26T00:45:27Z phatmatt_11@hotmail.com TransconaSlim 24.77.254.219 wp_id=211549;date=2009-03-27 06:26:06-04:00 2009-03-27T10:26:06Z kroyhall@yahoo.com Frankie 168.180.221.4 wp_id=211780;date=2009-03-27 19:24:35-04:00 2009-03-27T23:24:35Z hallidaylarry@yahoo.com TheDoc 67.186.231.35 wp_id=215875;date=2009-04-07 02:04:29-04:00
While i admire your stand here, your facts are in error. In Utah, witnessess before a Grand Jury are entitled to both 5th Amendment rights and the presence of legal council. The dramatization here only would apply in federal grand juries or New York State grand juries. The exact legislation that governs utah state grand juries can be easily located online. This gentleman would have been far better off to appear, claim his 5th amendment right to not speak, and go about his life, but im sure that would not acheive his goal of gaining media attention.]]> 2009-04-07T06:04:29Z milestrell@hotmail.com Miles Johnson 68.146.221.83 wp_id=217371;date=2009-04-14 23:56:34-04:00 2009-04-15T03:56:34Z ljames121@hotmail.com James 99.203.105.73 wp_id=217437;date=2009-04-15 09:28:26-04:00 2009-04-15T13:28:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=221838;date=2009-06-02 03:38:02-04:00 supportjordan.com on the prisoner information links. As you may know, Jordan remains in Cache County jail on the civil contempt issue, his "Grumbles" motion asking the judge to let him out because the 'coercive' effect of the incarceration is not going to change his mind about his refusal to talk to the grand jury was denied. So he stays at least through the end of June '09. Thanks for all you do .... James]]> 2009-06-02T07:38:02Z ljames121@hotmail.com James 68.27.98.27 wp_id=221862;date=2009-06-02 09:25:26-04:00 I remember adding it, but I must have not saved it. Thanks for telling me, it was an oversight and I'll add it right now. Will]]> 2009-06-02T13:25:26Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=210799;date=2009-03-25 09:20:39-04:00 2009-03-25T13:20:39Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=210809;date=2009-03-25 10:01:29-04:00
'"The true target of these terrorist witch hunts is not “violent extremists,” but the movements themselves.'

That is the gist of it. Thanks for sharing.]]> 2009-03-25T14:01:29Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARphilo 96.236.177.187 wp_id=210822;date=2009-03-25 10:59:28-04:00 2009-03-25T14:59:28Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.151.132.35 wp_id=210831;date=2009-03-25 11:55:48-04:00 2009-03-25T15:55:48Z cncornell@sbcglobal.net Bluedyeno1 66.159.174.134 wp_id=210843;date=2009-03-25 12:56:18-04:00 Though I also remember reading the NY Times article a few months later talking about the possible framing. But of course that was buried in the paper.]]> 2009-03-25T16:56:18Z rich@veganmotorcyclist.com rich 75.222.104.10 wp_id=210885;date=2009-03-25 13:55:19-04:00 2009-03-25T17:55:19Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 64.62.5.146 wp_id=210889;date=2009-03-25 14:05:40-04:00 2009-03-25T18:05:40Z j.stillwagon@yahoo.com Your Mother 207.59.61.30 wp_id=210892;date=2009-03-25 14:13:37-04:00
What do you think the solution is? We shouldn't assume that the UC bomb was the work of animal advocates, but the movement has to condemn attempted murder.]]> 2009-03-25T18:13:37Z d@anonymous.disqus.net D 96.242.20.3 wp_id=210905;date=2009-03-25 15:11:25-04:00 2009-03-25T19:11:25Z masmanz@aol.com masmanz 24.128.211.14 wp_id=210922;date=2009-03-25 16:13:44-04:00
Joe, aren't you back to work yet? Do you really have nothing better to do than refresh a site whose ethics you don't agree with over and over again so that you can find something to argue about? I used to do the same thing once, but then, I was 16, and I grew out of it.]]> 2009-03-25T20:13:44Z supahgypsyroselee@hotmail.com Canaduck 66.183.102.169 wp_id=210929;date=2009-03-25 16:33:16-04:00
the most effective aspect of the conservative world view is that it confines thought and understanding into narrow channels, encouraging people to see an individualized world -people in a vaccum- while effectively directing attention away from social, structural, and systemic causes of behavior and phenomena.

this way of looking at the world has several consequences. it often results in blaming the victim, it leaves the foundations of our society undisturbed and mostly unexamined, and it all but assures that the problem will not go away.

and besides, there never was any action in the case of mcdavid, only plans.

p.s. if you can define "wrong" as something other than "me-no-like" i'd love to hear it.

p.p.s. i'm am not, as you probably suspect, a liberal]]> 2009-03-25T20:33:16Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com dave m 69.206.167.103 wp_id=210932;date=2009-03-25 16:46:09-04:00 2009-03-25T20:46:09Z careyturley@gmail.com carey 69.104.167.90 wp_id=210952;date=2009-03-25 18:00:43-04:00 2009-03-25T22:00:43Z kick_a_informant@anonymous.disqus.net Kick a Informant 208.74.33.40 wp_id=210965;date=2009-03-25 19:00:06-04:00 2009-03-25T23:00:06Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=210985;date=2009-03-25 20:34:03-04:00 In the "old" days physicians used to learn specific techniques either from colleagues or (even better when it comes to proper use of surgical instruments) from the Operating Room (OR) personnel (OR technicians - techs/scrube - or nurses). Also so-called Reps (representing as non-physicians and non-nurses the maker of surgical instruments) could be found (still can?) in Operating Rooms "assisting" surgeons by teaching them proper use of the instruments they wanted to sell or convince the surgeon and the hospital (or similar facility) that they really needed the new instrument.
If lawyers representing either Fran Trutt or organizations friendly to her dilemma provided data as mentioned by me, it would have been of great benefit to other readers to learn more about "methods to teach" doctors how to use instruments in the Operating Room.
Aside from the medical issue involved in this deplorable case, I wonder why readers were not at least introduced to some legal "ramifications" of setting a trap.
At this time in our nation's "struggle" with corporations, it was again sobering to read more about "corporate provocateurs". Thanks for this wake-up call!]]> 2009-03-26T00:34:03Z reipoking@sbcglobal.net Reinhold 70.234.230.50 wp_id=211042;date=2009-03-25 22:36:18-04:00 2009-03-26T02:36:18Z hello@anonymous.disqus.net HELLO! 69.140.177.59 wp_id=211053;date=2009-03-25 23:43:54-04:00 2009-03-26T03:43:54Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=211180;date=2009-03-26 08:26:54-04:00 2009-03-26T12:26:54Z fossil@anonymous.disqus.net Fossil 24.193.47.222 wp_id=211288;date=2009-03-26 14:43:22-04:00
@ HELLO!: I agree with you too.]]> 2009-03-26T18:43:22Z snake@anonymous.disqus.net Snake 138.9.29.82 wp_id=211340;date=2009-03-26 18:56:23-04:00 2009-03-26T22:56:23Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=211389;date=2009-03-26 20:45:30-04:00 2009-03-27T00:45:30Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=211409;date=2009-03-26 22:12:32-04:00 2009-03-27T02:12:32Z supahgypsyroselee@hotmail.com Canaduck 66.183.102.169 wp_id=211419;date=2009-03-26 22:59:12-04:00 2009-03-27T02:59:12Z hello@anonymous.disqus.net HELLO! 76.114.205.75 wp_id=211454;date=2009-03-27 01:52:07-04:00 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...]]> 2009-03-27T05:52:07Z none@anonymous.disqus.net ??? 99.25.114.197 wp_id=212179;date=2009-03-28 19:16:09-04:00 2009-03-28T23:16:09Z hello@anonymous.disqus.net HELLO! 76.114.205.75 wp_id=213353;date=2009-03-31 15:07:53-04:00 2009-03-31T19:07:53Z chloepitbull@yahoo.com chloe 24.4.36.24 wp_id=214423;date=2009-04-03 10:55:17-04:00 2009-04-03T14:55:17Z chris_s_j@hotmail.com cj 86.130.135.159 wp_id=217345;date=2009-04-14 20:31:23-04:00
Thanks for being a voice of clarity on this issue!]]> 2009-04-15T00:31:23Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 75.182.71.119 wp_id=217361;date=2009-04-14 22:43:08-04:00 2009-04-15T02:43:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.0.92 wp_id=220130;date=2009-05-14 01:11:51-04:00 A bunch of panty-waists who feel nothing but compassion for a deranged individual who plants a pipe bomb loaded with NAILS?
You people are even more deranged than Fran Trutt!
Oh, and I forgot to add...CREEPS!]]> 2009-05-14T05:11:51Z misassistant@yahoo.com oldpink 98.115.236.193 wp_id=211635;date=2009-03-27 10:57:17-04:00 2009-03-27T14:57:17Z bstriepe@gmail.com Becky 157.166.167.129 wp_id=211647;date=2009-03-27 12:06:40-04:00 2009-03-27T16:06:40Z hello@anonymous.disqus.net HELLO! 76.114.205.75 wp_id=211648;date=2009-03-27 12:15:38-04:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Move the cursor to about one minute into the piece.]]> 2009-03-27T16:15:38Z hello@anonymous.disqus.net HELLO! 76.114.205.75 wp_id=211660;date=2009-03-27 13:00:04-04:00
I didn't realize this, but I've never heard Ann Coulter actually speak before. She has a really terrifying voice.

Al Franken did a good job.]]> 2009-03-27T17:00:04Z supahgypsyroselee@hotmail.com Canaduck 66.183.102.169 wp_id=211945;date=2009-03-28 05:31:55-04:00 2009-03-28T09:31:55Z joe@anonymous.disqus.net Joe 72.219.185.148 wp_id=212131;date=2009-03-28 17:41:16-04:00 2009-03-28T21:41:16Z xendofthelinex@gmail.com Chris 161.28.250.27 wp_id=212189;date=2009-03-28 19:54:51-04:00 2009-03-28T23:54:51Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=212255;date=2009-03-29 00:58:28-04:00
Why don't people like you? Would you like the list alphabeticaly or sorted by category, it's a large file. But simply put, you're a cretin.]]> 2009-03-29T04:58:28Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 120.16.7.19 wp_id=212494;date=2009-03-29 13:53:42-04:00 2009-03-29T17:53:42Z hello@anonymous.disqus.net HELLO! 76.114.205.75 wp_id=212499;date=2009-03-29 14:25:04-04:00 2009-03-29T18:25:04Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=212574;date=2009-03-29 19:03:48-04:00 2009-03-29T23:03:48Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=217458;date=2009-04-15 12:59:43-04:00 2009-04-15T16:59:43Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.222.38 wp_id=217619;date=2009-04-16 13:43:19-04:00 2009-04-16T17:43:19Z ebendakid@yahoo.com Eben 24.21.214.243 wp_id=212921;date=2009-03-30 16:26:42-04:00 2009-03-30T20:26:42Z baily2@optonline.net matt 66.173.244.30 wp_id=213010;date=2009-03-30 19:56:45-04:00 http://www.fox13now.com/news/n...

Isn't it also interesting that convicting animal abusers like this guy get off with probation, when others are now facing half a decade for allegedly opening up cages in Utah, and in California; a decade for allegedly making flyers opposing vivisection.]]> 2009-03-30T23:56:45Z link@anonymous.disqus.net Link 99.25.114.197 wp_id=213053;date=2009-03-30 22:26:38-04:00
I am not defending the actions of these on the wanted list at all in fact I would love to arrest all of them. The reason they are not listed as terrorist is because they are not trying to force others to live as they do.]]> 2009-03-31T02:26:38Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=213270;date=2009-03-31 12:19:13-04:00 2009-03-31T16:19:13Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.139.143 wp_id=213277;date=2009-03-31 12:42:35-04:00
Oh yes they are. Do you have any idea what dioxin does to an unborn fetus? Or that it's a known carcinogen? Don't take my word for it, look it up. Don't you ever wonder why pregnant women are warned against eating certain types of fish or fish caught in certain areas? Pollution caused by these companies causes many, many more health consequences than just what I've listed. I don't know about you, but I'd certainly rather be "threatened" than given cancer.

Perhaps they haven't been accused of planting bombs or committing arson. But what they are doing is far, far worse.]]> 2009-03-31T16:42:35Z cyeager@wisc.edu Cere 24.177.123.27 wp_id=213283;date=2009-03-31 13:16:02-04:00 "These fugitives are scumbags no doubt, however they are not directly threatening anyone or their families."

How are they not?

"Installing a pipe behind a corporation in order to dump pollutants into a tributary of the Mississippi River. "

That means they were hurting the river and the beings and their families that live in that river.

" Not once have any of these guys been accused of violent acts that AR terrorist have done such as planting bombs (real or fake), arson, threatening or menacing whole families because one member is a researcher or furrier."

No, instead they are accused of the violent acts of destruction towards the Earth which continues to put at risk every living beings ability to exist on this Earth as they systematically do all they can to bring on ecocide. That is a far more violent act then planting bombs to blow up buildings or cars (which how any of this constitutes violence when it is against inanimate objects is beyond me). And when threats are against people who are torturing animals, if we are to term that "violent" which is questionable (we throw out the term violence way too much without putting forth consideration towards what exactly to define as violent while using the word to evoke certain emotions) it is counter-violence at best. People's "research" which is based upon the exploitation of living beings is violent in and of itself and is exploitative of a defenseless animal. Terrorism is the use of violence for political purposes which is exactly what the EPA's fugitives are doing, to act as if their actions aren't terrorist while proclaiming that people who are trying to stop it are terrorists is ridiculous and stupid.]]> 2009-03-31T17:16:02Z josh@anonymous.disqus.net Josh 69.92.145.208 wp_id=213342;date=2009-03-31 14:21:44-04:00
Would you feed toxic waste to your kids?]]> 2009-03-31T18:21:44Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.139.143 wp_id=213371;date=2009-03-31 16:28:37-04:00 2009-03-31T20:28:37Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com dave m 69.206.167.103 wp_id=213372;date=2009-03-31 16:36:05-04:00 (source: http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_u...)

Origins: 1970s

Prominent Groups: Animal Liberation Front (ALF), Earth Liberation Front (ELF), Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty (SHAC)

Influential Personalities: Craig Rosebraugh, Kevin Kjonaas, Rod Coronado, Robin Webb, Leslie James Pickering, Josh Harper, David Barbarash, Dave Foreman, Ronnie Lee

Aim: To end the exploitation of animals and the destruction of the environment, typically by causing damage to the operations of companies in related industries or terrorizing executives and employees of these and associated companies.

Media: No Compromise, Earth First! Journal, Green Anarchy, Bite Back Magazine, many Web sites

Influences: Mainstream animal and environmental welfare groups, anarchists

Criminal Activity: Arson, bombing, harassment, vandalism, animal release


Look at the last section labeled "Criminal Activity." The EPA has their most wanted listed because those corporations do not partake in terrorist activities (sourece: http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/...) such as bombings and arson. The corporations are also not using scare tactics to "make a point." They are usually trying to cut corners, and that is why the EPA has them on their most wanted lists.

It is the extreme nature of the organizations listed above that classify them as eco-terrorists. Their vandalism tends to do more harm to the ecosystem than good. Burning down buildings and releasing animals into an environment that isn't a part of their natural habitat are just two examples.

Burning a building down not just renders the corporations building useless, but it releases pollutants and toxins into the atmosphere and the local environment. The plastics, PVC, pressure-treated wood, rubber materials, and even paint all release toxins such as formaldehyde, tetrachloro-dibenzo-dioxin (TCDD), carbon monoxide, and hydrocarbons. Each of these chemicals can be fatal if come in contact or inhaled, not to mention the damage it can cause to the ozone.

When animals are released into the wild not of their native habitat, it throws the balance of the circle of life off. As an example, Hawaii limits certain animals to be brought into the islands, and even then must be quarantined. Snakes and ferrets are two animals not allowed on the islands because they have no natural predators to keep them in balance. The release of these animals also will preemptively put a death sentence on them as they will not be able to fend for themselves (source: http://www.nparks.gov.sg/cms/i...). Not only that, but if you take a look at this article (http://www.nparks.gov.sg/cms/i...) you'll see the damage of what 1 beaver has done to a community. Imagine if an ecoterrorist group had released all of them that were held in captivity. The damage caused may even force some of the animals in their natural habitat out from the protection of their own forests.

These organizations need to think before they act by stepping outside the box and looking at the whole picture. And for further clarification on myself, I am vegetarian. I do not believe that cattle farms are our answer to the need for food; I do not believe in the idea of having to raise 20 chicken in a 5x5 cage for mass production; I do believe that animals should be treated fairly.]]> 2009-03-31T20:36:05Z admin@terrortracker.com TerrorTracker 24.8.74.34 wp_id=213376;date=2009-03-31 17:05:51-04:00
http://www.deseretnews.com/art...

U. settles lawsuit with animal rights activist
By Ben Winslow
Deseret News
Published: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:35 a.m. MDT

The University of Utah has apparently settled a lawsuit filed against one of its police officers by an animal rights activist.

Jeremy Beckham sued the U., claiming that an officer unreasonably detained him during an April 2008 protest against primate research. Beckham claimed that as he tried to speak with police, U. police officer Mike Richards detained him and refused to release him after repeated demands that he stop. No reason was given for detaining him, and no protesters were cited, Beckham claimed in the suit.

According to documents filed in U.S. District Court earlier this month, a judge entered a $500 judgment in favor of Beckham. In a statement to the Deseret News, Beckham said it was part of a settlement agreement with the U.

The animal rights activist said he plans to donate the $500 to a fund to help a fellow activist being jailed for contempt of court. Jordan Halliday was taken into U.S. marshal's custody this month after he refused to testify before a federal grand jury presumably investigating a series of attacks on local mink ranches. Two other men, William "BJ" Viehl and Alex Hall, have been indicted in connection with mink farm attacks in South Jordan and Hyrum. The Animal Liberation Front — a radical group considered a domestic terrorist organization by the FBI — claimed responsibility for attacks on the South Jordan mink farm and one in Kaysville that remains under investigation.

Animal rights activists are rallying behind Halliday, 21, who was ordered to remain in jail until he decides he is willing to testify before the secret panel.

"I am truly glad that the university realized their mistake in my case," Beckham said in his statement. "It seems the system worked to protect my rights. Unfortunately, the system is not working for Jordan and I'll do whatever I can to show that he has support."]]> 2009-03-31T21:05:51Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 75.80.173.179 wp_id=213396;date=2009-03-31 18:23:33-04:00
I love how mutable the definition of terrorism is. It means something different everyday. Humpty Dumpty would be proud]]> 2009-03-31T22:23:33Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stephen 192.102.239.195 wp_id=213409;date=2009-03-31 19:21:27-04:00
AR terrorist on the other hand do try and force others to live as they do and are willing to commit very violent acts to get their way. This site is dedicate to protecting individuals rights, what about those that AR terrorist target? They have not been found guilty of any crime yet their rights are violated every day through death threats,trespassing,arson and other violent crimes.]]> 2009-03-31T23:21:27Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=213745;date=2009-04-01 15:20:58-04:00
And Terrortracker; what you completely fail to recognize is that 1. by using the term ecoterrorist for those people you are clearly choosing a side and buying into the rhetoric of the people destroying the earth (that term is by no means neutral)
2. animals are released during ALF actions into environments they can survive in. Fur farmers constantly try to make themselves into victims by suggesting that mink will either destroy an ecosystem or starve to death (neither of which have any basis in science)
3. destroying a building can have negative ramifications for the environment. The continuing existence of that building can do a lot more damage. Arson is never used lightly.
4. Again, completely missing the point. For the billionth time the point of this site isn't to discuss the tactics of radical groups, it's to show how legal activists are being targeted by the government using standards that the government doesn't apply to groups that do things that have harsher legal ramifications.]]> 2009-04-01T19:20:58Z dave@anonymous.disqus.net Dave 69.114.85.110 wp_id=213748;date=2009-04-01 15:29:37-04:00
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/...]]> 2009-04-01T19:29:37Z cncornell@sbcglobal.net Bluedyeno1 69.0.82.136 wp_id=213800;date=2009-04-01 19:12:36-04:00 2009-04-01T23:12:36Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.87 wp_id=213914;date=2009-04-02 02:38:52-04:00 2009-04-02T06:38:52Z harry@anonymous.disqus.net Harry 76.168.242.52 wp_id=213916;date=2009-04-02 02:40:37-04:00 2009-04-02T06:40:37Z harry@anonymous.disqus.net Harry 76.168.242.52 wp_id=214189;date=2009-04-02 19:51:36-04:00 2009-04-02T23:51:36Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=215350;date=2009-04-05 19:49:43-04:00 2009-04-05T23:49:43Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.118 wp_id=215770;date=2009-04-06 18:18:16-04:00
And while you are analyzing personal ecological impact, us "AR folks" don't consume or propagate the production of what is destroying the world at a critical rate, but I'm guessing that you do (local cheeseburgers?).

P.S. - I love how joe practically admitted to being "TerrorTracker". So you're a vegetarian joe? Hmmmmm...]]> 2009-04-06T22:18:16Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.84.170 wp_id=216607;date=2009-04-10 09:43:17-04:00 2009-04-10T13:43:17Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.75 wp_id=216820;date=2009-04-11 13:45:00-04:00 2009-04-11T17:45:00Z harry@anonymous.disqus.net Harry 76.168.242.52 wp_id=215985;date=2009-04-07 11:02:48-04:00
I'd also like to point out the FBI's definition includes the idea of "innocent" targets. Does that mean if you can prove in court the person is not innocent it's no longer terrorism?]]> 2009-04-07T15:02:48Z dave@anonymous.disqus.net Dave 76.116.251.128 wp_id=215988;date=2009-04-07 11:19:52-04:00
I find it funny though that those who are definitely and undeiably guilty of the first two forms of terrorism, who actually kill humans and other animals with their actions, are the ones protected from by the government from those who seek to end this terrorism.

Environmentalism, Animal Rights Activism, and Green Anarchy are the fighters of the real war on eco-Terrorism.]]> 2009-04-07T15:19:52Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.139.143 wp_id=215995;date=2009-04-07 11:59:01-04:00
At the end of the day I feel that people will eventually stop caring about that word because it would have been so overused it wont carry the same weight it once did. Thus was the story for "communists." Calling someone a communist in the 50's & 60's was practically a prelude to a lynch mob, but today hipsters make fun of each other using the term to describe their fashion choices. It will be interesting what the powers that be think of next to blacklist people with.]]> 2009-04-07T15:59:01Z andrew@papress.com that dude 66.100.3.192 wp_id=216006;date=2009-04-07 13:41:51-04:00
The people who disagree with the violent AR/Environmental actions usually say it's because 'the ends don't justify the means.'
Then why the hell should the ends (medical research, fur coats, heart-stopping hamburgers...) justify the means (killing and torturing) towards animals? Why should the ends of living a gluttonously 'comfortable' lifestyle with prepackaged everything justify the means of making changes to our planet that future generations will suffer in?
That to me is terrorism.]]> 2009-04-07T17:41:51Z snake@anonymous.disqus.net Snake 138.9.29.82 wp_id=216016;date=2009-04-07 14:39:16-04:00 2009-04-07T18:39:16Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=216041;date=2009-04-07 17:30:02-04:00
Can you post about the Earth First Roadshow event in DC? Please, please, please?

-Only]]> 2009-04-07T21:30:02Z only@riseup.net Only 141.156.142.251 wp_id=216450;date=2009-04-09 10:24:55-04:00 Eco Terrorists.]]> 2009-04-09T14:24:55Z xendofthelinex@gmail.com Chris 75.162.195.132 wp_id=218127;date=2009-04-21 15:22:52-04:00 2009-04-21T19:22:52Z hallidaylarry@yahoo.com TheDoc 67.186.231.35 wp_id=218346;date=2009-04-24 14:51:29-04:00 planet known as Earth.
When you review the arguements for and against the Green do gooders of the World anyone with any spark of common sense will see that there needs to be a balance, whilst I conceed that the balance can be and has been out of wack in the last few decades I also accept that sooner or later and I'd prefer sooner a government body or authority needs to be formed to rule upon applications put forward by either side and to therefore defuse any ugliness that may have occured because of indifference. Whilst it can be said that I do favor the "Wise Use" group with a fair percentage of there beliefs we must also accept that there will always be a difference of opinion put forward and that this difference should be taken seriously from all sides and a decision reached that will favor the party or parties with the most substancial evidence provided not just "hearsay" from some group who wants to use a lot of inuendo to release a lot of steam.
We, as humans have been given the right to think, act and recieve the consequences of our actions. Even though the situation around us can seem so very wrong or scewed if you will, it is only when we truthfully examine the evidence that we begin to see what is really going on and therefore act accordingly byway of strategies consisting of fact not fantasy.
Ron Arnold / Lecturer- TAFE Western Australia]]> 2009-04-24T18:51:29Z arnold@anonymous.disqus.net Arnold 58.7.61.33 wp_id=217291;date=2009-04-14 13:17:50-04:00
How can somebody be a member and a leader of a leaderless organization that has no membership?]]> 2009-04-14T17:17:50Z youthagainstanimalcruelty@gmail.com Youth Against Animal Cruelty 76.6.3.215 wp_id=217292;date=2009-04-14 13:22:14-04:00
Also, it's worth noting that by by the admission of prosecutors the "lead" arsonist in the Operation Backfire cases was Jacob Ferguson... but he wore a wire to entrap McGowan and others, so he's out free now. None of this adds up.]]> 2009-04-14T17:22:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=217294;date=2009-04-14 13:36:29-04:00 2009-04-14T17:36:29Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=217340;date=2009-04-14 20:09:08-04:00 2009-04-15T00:09:08Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 75.182.71.119 wp_id=217362;date=2009-04-14 22:43:37-04:00 2009-04-15T02:43:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.60.0.92 wp_id=217380;date=2009-04-15 01:20:28-04:00
I was just discussing this exact same concept in my Int'l Relations class today! We were defining "terrorism" and I mentioned how the government continues to maintain ambiguity between dissent and "terrorism".

Great article! I am going to forward it to my International Studies Class. Hopefully, some of my classmates will finally be convinced.]]> 2009-04-15T05:20:28Z nsheen@csulb.edu Nicoal 71.105.245.6 wp_id=217436;date=2009-04-15 09:26:39-04:00 2009-04-15T13:26:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=217460;date=2009-04-15 13:26:01-04:00
This quote from their document just cracks me up. I mean this is sick stuff but when I read quotes about "leaders" of anarchist organizations and non-leader having groups it makes me wonder, "Are they really this stupid? Or are they just acting like it to oppress people?"

If I sent a donation to a homeless shelter with "love, the ALF and ELF" on the back would I be a leader of the ALF or ELF?

It is truly sad that the potential of these people is so wasted in these facilities. Furthermore, this kind of article shows us how much Muslims are persecuted as well. If an animal rights activist can be put away as the leader of a terrorist group like this, I can only imagine what kind of nonsense they have on the Muslim people.

Why the hell does Rafil A. Dhafir (or any of your list) need to be in a maximum security camp? What's he going to do, heal someone's wound?

Next thing you know, the only requirements for imprisonment for terrorism will be speaking Arabic and having a house plant...

All of this aside, that document you link to looks remarkably like a consent form for an experiment involving human subjects. But the government is responsible for the ethics restrictions so I guess they can toss out the stuff they don't care about.]]> 2009-04-15T17:26:01Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.139.143 wp_id=217488;date=2009-04-15 18:07:49-04:00 2009-04-15T22:07:49Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.84.170 wp_id=217548;date=2009-04-16 03:01:21-04:00 2009-04-16T07:01:21Z ludditerobot@riseup.net ludditerobot 75.72.22.241 wp_id=217591;date=2009-04-16 09:36:33-04:00 2009-04-16T13:36:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=217645;date=2009-04-16 18:53:39-04:00
This ain't good. The "ecoterrorist" meme hails from the '90s, but I don't remember any of these extraordinary measures being taken vs. ELF types.

My own personal speculation is that there's a two-pronged effort, one to provoke the right-wing into violence, and another to pull the teeth out of the left, with measures like this; now that the Marxists in the US aren't exactly a threat and don't have Soviet backing, the more "direct action" eco-crowd is the next threat to Business as usual.

It should be clear where this is headed.

Anyway my sympathies to those held in extraordinary conditions like this (certainly "cruel and unusual" compared to what inmates are typically allowed).]]> 2009-04-16T22:53:39Z imaginaryemail@yahoo.com e.a. 204.177.90.3 wp_id=217972;date=2009-04-19 13:00:21-04:00 2009-04-19T17:00:21Z karmalily@gmail.com Karmalily 152.30.222.39 wp_id=218293;date=2009-04-23 18:53:31-04:00
keep up exposing this, nice work.]]> 2009-04-23T22:53:31Z stevec@riseup.net steve 98.173.32.197 wp_id=218295;date=2009-04-23 19:44:24-04:00 You're right, Marion has been there quite a while. However, just to be clear, the CMU is a distinct facility within the larger Marion prison. Best, Will]]> 2009-04-23T23:44:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.33.110 wp_id=218543;date=2009-04-27 13:56:35-04:00 But I was in Marion back in the 80s. Back when they were trying to keep me away from the courts.
Which brings me to another element that should be added to any attempts to reform the criminal justice system. That is, how many people are in prison for crimes that they did not commit. And, in some cases, actually framed. I know, because I was one of them.
I was framed for a murder, by Massachusetts' alleged justice system, i.e. a politically ambitious district attorney named William Delahunt, (who's now a United States Congressman), a state trooper who lied and hid evidence, and a judge who not only let them get away with it, but also pitched in and contributed to the aforementioned collaborators underhanded tactics. It took me 20 years to prove this because, every time I discovered new evidence, the Department of Correction shipped me out of state to federal penitentiaries. And, every time the courts ordered me back to Massachusetts, the DOC kept me locked in the hole, without even charging me with any disciplinary violations. I did about ten years in the feds and ten years in the hole, coincidentally, the two most challenging places to be able to do legal work and overturn a wrongful conviction.
This case is a textbook example of how the system can be manipulated and abused through the combined efforts of an ambitious prosecutor/politician, unethical or overzealous police work, a judge who allows them to do anything they want, and certain elements of the media who find it to their advantage to parrot what the prosecutors, or the cops, tell them and report it as fact. Of course, the suppliers of the information are usually identified as “informed sources” and the “facts” are always prefaced with “allegedly”.
My point is, I am far from being the only one who was framed, that taxpayers are spending millions of dollars to keep locked up. I've just written a book in which I detail and document everything stated above. If you want like, you could check my book's website, www.bumbeefed.com, where I name some of the other people who've been framed. In one of those cases, in which the FBI, including J. Edgar Hoover, knew that they framed four guys for a murder, they hid so much evidence that a congressional COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM ordered them to turn it over. Then Bush stepped in and invoked 'Executive Privilege', which let them continue to hide it. I wonder if Congress ordered it again, President Obama would let the truth come out.]]> 2009-04-27T17:56:35Z doherty.s7@comcast.net stephen doherty 65.96.233.22 wp_id=221694;date=2009-05-31 13:50:42-04:00 2009-05-31T17:50:42Z trealistorm@yahoo.com Ylanne 66.31.72.254 wp_id=229683;date=2009-10-14 07:56:52-04:00
The title "Communication Management Unit" is troubling enough in itself. Government should not be allowed to restrict media or public access to prisoners beyond the minimum required to maintain security.

Speaking of titles though, what's up with the title of this blog? Tying the environmental movement to Marxism just gives it a bad name.]]> 2009-10-14T11:56:52Z realreform@earthlink.net starchild true starchild 66.245.44.152 wp_id=229691;date=2009-10-14 09:26:55-04:00
Thanks for the comment. As to the latter part, the name of the blog is an allusion to the Red Scare of the 40s and 50s, and using the term "communist" to demonize groups of people and instill fear. The same thing is going on now, labeling people as "terrorists" in order to attack the environmental movement. (Hence "green" is the new "red").]]> 2009-10-14T13:26:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=217737;date=2009-04-17 11:22:05-04:00 2009-04-17T15:22:05Z somebody@anonymous.disqus.net somebody 69.92.145.208 wp_id=217739;date=2009-04-17 11:44:55-04:00
So we are supposed to have protected free speech and freedom of press. Then the AETA is created.
We are supposed to be protected against cruel and unusual punishment. Yet Bush not only let's torture happens, but LIES about it. Doesn't the constitution mean anything anymore?

The video is still playing, I just had to mention that before I forgot.]]> 2009-04-17T15:44:55Z youthagainstanimalcruelty@gmail.com Youth Against Animal Cruelty 69.59.90.201 wp_id=217740;date=2009-04-17 11:46:14-04:00 2009-04-17T15:46:14Z youthagainstanimalcruelty@gmail.com Youth Against Animal Cruelty 69.59.90.201 wp_id=217742;date=2009-04-17 12:22:25-04:00
Constitution never meant anything in the first place, it's just a document that is supposed to make you feel all warm and fuzzy and give you the false idea that you are actually free in a system that is nothing but an impediment to freedom. None of those things actually mean anything, the founding fathers of amerika just knew how to word things right to instill the feeling that this government is different from all the rest in that it actually cares about you and is going to do everything it can to represent you and keep you free. All governments are the same, they rule, they oppress, they restrict, they dominate, they enforce, they violate, they enslave, and they use violence to keep it all going. Ask a Native American (if you can find one, they are after all a little hard to come across) about the great american spirit of democracy and freedom, or better yet, ask a black person.]]> 2009-04-17T16:22:25Z somebody@anonymous.disqus.net somebody 69.92.145.208 wp_id=217745;date=2009-04-17 12:28:06-04:00
You did a great job, thanks for informing everyone. I've told my family between pausing and playing the video and they are very concerned. I'm going to post about it on the YAAC updates.]]> 2009-04-17T16:28:06Z youthagainstanimalcruelty@gmail.com Youth Against Animal Cruelty 69.59.90.201 wp_id=217746;date=2009-04-17 12:47:10-04:00 2009-04-17T16:47:10Z matt@anonymous.disqus.net Matt 64.52.117.170 wp_id=217758;date=2009-04-17 14:29:42-04:00 2009-04-17T18:29:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=218034;date=2009-04-20 14:15:04-04:00 As the partner of one who is incarcerated for alleged ELF-related vandalism, this is truly, truly heartbreaking and obscene. I am completely outraged!
My heart goes out to all the inmates and their loved ones. It is one of the hardest things a person can endure.]]> 2009-04-20T18:15:04Z oh.dhoa@gmail.com Dhoa 71.35.125.42 wp_id=218035;date=2009-04-20 14:15:08-04:00
I am glad that they brought you on their show. I have found Democracy Now! to be rather routinely against most animal-activist related stories, even when they violate human civil rights. The most I think I've ever heard Amy Goodman or Juan Gonzales say about it was a brief, MAYBE 10-minutes section (and it was probably shorter than that) on the passage of AETA.]]> 2009-04-20T18:15:08Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 74.250.167.78 wp_id=218120;date=2009-04-21 12:44:57-04:00 2009-04-21T16:44:57Z omgsoy@gmail.com omgsoy true omgsoy 75.61.124.31 wp_id=218187;date=2009-04-22 09:18:05-04:00 www.thenewanarchist.com]]> 2009-04-22T13:18:05Z ryanhstone@gmail.com The New Anarchist 74.192.136.176 wp_id=218997;date=2009-05-03 00:30:53-04:00 I disagree. I think the constitution did mean something, a long time ago. I high doubt the first settlers would risk their lives just to end up in the same situation that they risked their lives to get away from...But I don't want to argue, and that is for a different conversation entirely.

My point was, it's only a matter of time until the rest of our rights are disgregarded as well.]]> 2009-05-03T04:30:53Z youthagainstanimalcruelty@ymail.com Youth Against Animal Cruelty 64.234.38.15 wp_id=218998;date=2009-05-03 00:32:02-04:00 2009-05-03T04:32:02Z youthagainstanimalcruelty@ymail.com Youth Against Animal Cruelty 64.234.38.15 wp_id=219000;date=2009-05-03 01:23:06-04:00 2009-05-03T05:23:06Z somebody_else@anonymous.disqus.net somebody else 64.234.38.15 wp_id=219881;date=2009-05-11 12:54:48-04:00 He used to work for the American government as translator; He was sentenced on May to 121 months without any proof of the crime he is accused for. The judge said that because he gathered classified documents, he might have the intention to use them. The accusation then is not based on real fact, but based on suspicion.
Suspicions exist because he is native from Morocco and because he lies on earlier 1999 to have an American citizenship after several years working without green card. The immigrations laws are very difficult and the way to obtain the green card or citizenship is very long in USA. for somebody that dreamed of America all his life.
During his job as translator in Iraq, he has recommendations about his good job and about him saving American life, but it seems to be not enough for the judge to give him his freedom.
Recently I read on the NY time’s newspapers about cases worse then his case, but as the defendants are American, they got less than him or no pursue.
We come out with the conclusion: There are two justices in America; one for the American born and one for the others that are natives from Arabic and Muslim countries.
Once a week From USP Marion, He is allowed to call one of his family, last time I had him on he phone he complaint that there are 21 inmates separated from others because of their supposed religion and believes".
My brother served America, but because of his previous lie to become an American citizen, and because he kept intentionally classified documents he is thrown at Marion. There is an appeal running to cancel the unfair sentencing he got on May 2008.
When I search on the website for my brother on the USP Marion, he is simply not found. I suspect that the website is intentionally not updated,
There is no notion of CMU. My brother explained that all the guys that are with him are under CMU.
They don’t have the same right as the others inmates. Why? Can somebody from your organization investigate and let the media know.
This is an additional punishment for him when he is INNOCENT of the intention the American government is suspecting him.
Please find hereunder what my brother have written from his jail to rectifie something (as my english isn't good,) I am a French citizen living in France..Since 2005, I visited him twice, I have written to several organisation, as Democracynow and ACLU who are the only able to publish about this secrete prison where he is now.

The first mail.
Dear Halima & Sonia,
Did you let the French journalists know where I'm right now?
This place, as I described it before,- is called CMU (Communication Management Unit)
This secretive place has more barbed wires than Guantanamo Bay prison.
Phone calls are only 15 minutes a week and inmates are cut off from the rest of the general population.
According to the retarded genius who created or helped create it this unit was designed to house dangerous
convicts to "protect the public" from us. The inmates here are labeled by the government as the most dangerous
people on the face of earth. Even serial killers, rapists, mobsters, and real time career criminals who are all
doing life in other jails enjoy 300-minute phone calls and are not isolated from the rest of prison population.
So are inmates here more dangerous or are they simply Muslims? The answer is so clear a legally blind person can see it.
Right now almost 90% of the inmates here are Muslims. This is no coincidence in any way or form !!
The other 10% are thrown in here just to deceive the public that this place holds non Muslims as well.
None of the 10% knows why they happen to be here in this place with Muslim inmates.
Since the new so-called TRULINCS was introduced communication problems suddenly surfaced
every time I try to make my only phone call of the week.
Being in the CMU you have to request a phone call one week in advance.
Just this last Monday April 20th, 2009 at 1.00 PM, local time as I neared the 4th minute talking to my wife when the phone got disconnected. According to the person in charge I have to wait until someone in Washington determines what happened. If the person decided that the problem occurred outside the system
then I would be denied my phone call for the week. I have to wait again for the other planned for the following week.
There is nothing I can do. My fate depends on the mercy of someone in Washington if I should make the call or not.
Here are resources about CMU you may need to check:

http://sjlendman.blogspot.com (articles on CMU)
http://www.democracynow.org (search archives for 04/17/09)
http://www.supportdaniel.org/c... (04/14/09)
http://www.greenisthenewred.co... .
Nour.


The second one to rectifie what I ignorate about classified documents.

Dear sister Halima,
My laptop was in my apartment while I was deployed in Iraq. I never took it with me.
My personal laptop computer was void of any classified materials. I wouldn't mix any work-related stuff with my personal files and folders.
The FBI agents, however, having deceptively convinced Vincent to let them into the apartment, went in with neither a search warrant from court, nor my consent. They misled Vincent into believing that I had told him previously to let them into my apartment. They took advantage of his ignorance of the rules of search and seizure. Armed with their malicious intents they ransacked the whole place and took away any thing they deemed good to construct an illusive case against me even when I served the U.S for two years in a time of war. They found -among the piles of Compact Disks I had been using as part of my daily work routine- one work-related CD that has classified information. It had been accidently taken from my work place along with all other disks I had . They consequently used that CD, not the laptop, as evidence against me. So they charged me with unauthorized possession of classified documents.
The prosecutor, already predisposed to enhance my sentence, used the wrong sentencing guidelines that carry the maximum prison term of 10 years. Because of my race and religion, he chose the guidelines that can only be used against those who are charged with bad intent to distribute or pass the classified information to others not authorized to have it. He said I had violent plots and criminal intents without proving any facts. If I ever had any bad intent wouldn't I be extra careful and tend to be very calculating? If I ever had any criminal intent I would be very prudent not to leave any trace of evidence. I would have destroyed any evidence simply because I wouldn't be that stupid to leave a trail behind. In fact, violent plots and criminal intents were found only within the prosecutor's and the agents' minds, certainly not mine.
I felt their prejudice from day one. The fact that I had to spend 6 months in solitary confinement is proof that my case was racially motivated. They lied to the judge when he asked why I had been placed in a solitary cell. First they said that they had nothing to with my placement and that it was the bureau of prisons' decision to place me anywhere they wanted. Then it turned out later that they asked the prison authorities to place me in isolation to increase pressure on me to plea guilty for the purpose of depriving me of my due process right to a jury trial. They committed acts of perjury and obstruction of justice by having lied to the judge. Unfortunately nothing was done about their lies. It's just business as usual. The question is: Can a prosecutor charge himself with perjury and Obstruction of justice? The answer is, of course, NO!! They use the law against others and the law can't be used against them, even if they lie.
They even passed classified information to my lawyer, by means of mail and hand delivery, even when she didn't have clearance, at that time, to view secret documents which are deemed classified. So they committed a crime by passing classified information to a lawyer who was not supposed to view it until she gets clearance. Even so, they wanted to show that their duty was to protect America from people like me, whereas the truth lies in the fact that they took my case as an opportunity to save their careers by sacrificing me as a burned offering to the Bush administration. It became apparent that satisfying a political agenda was a primary criteria for them to keep their jobs.
Some good prosecutors somehow resisted pressure from the White House. They used the rule of law by deciding not to prosecute innocent people and instead used common sense, pursuant to ethical rules. Their good intentions back fired and were perceived as politically disloyal. So they were in danger of losing their jobs and being replaced. Former U.S Attorney general, Alberto Gonzales, was asked to fire so many good prosecutors simply they weren't agressive enough to bring charges against democratic rivals and more people of the Muslim faith. those who kept their jobs and couldn't find any real reason to prosecute Muslims, were put under pressure and urged to create any grounds or fake reasons to find Muslims and prosecute them. They used the tax payers' money to hire informants to entrap Muslims into FBI created crimes.
All this was, of course, done to create a sense of fear and make the public believe that they're saving America from the threat of terrorism.
Alberto Gonzales once stole highly classified information and tempered with it. He was never charged of any crime.
There is much more to talk about, more than enough to write books about the subject...I'll stop here for now.
Please pass this information to ACLU and the French media to uncover the false persecution of innocent Muslims.
Regards.
Nour.

Thank you very much if could help me,


Halima Le Ray]]> 2009-05-11T16:54:48Z le-ray.christian@orange.fr Halima le Ray 83.199.64.135 wp_id=221162;date=2009-05-24 23:23:18-04:00
Also, do you know about the SPLC reports about animal rights activists that led to them being put on terrorist lists? I've got some info on that at my blog plus I can give you my sources.]]> 2009-05-25T03:23:18Z karima4483@aol.com Karin Friedemann 207.180.191.115 wp_id=221232;date=2009-05-25 18:35:01-04:00 I made a profile for your brother at
http://freedetainees.org/noure...
Please let me know if it's okay. There are two sub-pages, one with his letters, and one with court documents etc. I hope it's ok, but please please let me know if there is anything I should add or take away.
Jazak'allah Khair
Linda]]> 2009-05-25T22:35:01Z dazeylin@gmail.com Linda G. Richard 75.106.192.58 wp_id=221908;date=2009-06-02 14:49:31-04:00
Thank you for the profile you have made for our brother Noureddine Malki
There are some articles written by the French media and the Moroccan Media that we would appreciate to be placed on his profile.
Could you please also help making petition to be signed by people that can sign it to bring him his freedom and to regain his American citizenship.
The previous government has persecuted him. A story has been built to destroy our brother he is since October 2005 in Jail for because of his origin and believes. All the Muslim Arab are suspected by terrorism]]> 2009-06-02T18:49:31Z sonia.malki@wanadoo.fr Sonia Malki 86.217.13.219 wp_id=222359;date=2009-06-09 11:23:21-04:00 2009-06-09T15:23:21Z cwhite12@hughes.net carol 67.142.161.25 wp_id=222360;date=2009-06-09 11:25:06-04:00 2009-06-09T15:25:06Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=218258;date=2009-04-23 09:47:47-04:00 2009-04-23T13:47:47Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com xvxdavexvx 69.206.163.238 wp_id=218261;date=2009-04-23 10:33:46-04:00 2009-04-23T14:33:46Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 207.154.59.124 wp_id=218262;date=2009-04-23 11:11:46-04:00 2009-04-23T15:11:46Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=218265;date=2009-04-23 11:52:13-04:00 To designate Animal Rights as terrorism is laughable; are the vivisectors so delicate that legitimate campaigning against their vile behaviour is considered a campaign of terror? This interpretation suggests to the unbiased observer that they do not, and have never lived in the real world as the rest of us.
Of course the real worry is the economic danger posed by Animal Rights to the profit-seeking Big Pharma thar 'forgets' to tell us:
(a)animals are not reliable test models, e.g., the recent TGN1412 disaster, and the number of drugs that pass the animal testing stage but fail in the following clinical trials. (b)it has been admitted that the slightest variation in the lab animal's housing can affect an animal's physiology and response to medication, e.g., the bedding in a cage, the amount of light, noise and even a lab technician's aftershave. O yes, how very 'scientific'...
(c)many of the conditions for which drugs are produced are not actual illnesses at all, and when they are, in most cases, they could be prevented by simple lifestyle changes (diet, reducing pollution, improving living conditions, education, etc).
(d)Many drugs produced are simply 'me-too' versions of drugs already available. (e)Many animal experiments are duplicated over and over again by different researchers in different establishments - the 'publish or perish' motivation is the driving force of many experiments. (f)If drug companies care so much about human well-being and health, why are there so many battles by drug companies to prevent cheaper, generic copies of drugs from becoming available? (g)Lab animals are adequately protected by Government regulations. Really? How is it that every time an undercover investigation is undertaken into an animal laboratory, repeated breaches of those regulation are always found?
And so it goes on....]]> 2009-04-23T15:52:13Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 90.196.182.234 wp_id=218266;date=2009-04-23 11:54:01-04:00 To designate Animal Rights as terrorism is laughable; are the vivisectors so delicate that legitimate campaigning against their vile behaviour is considered a campaign of terror? This interpretation suggests to the unbiased observer that they do not, and have never lived in the real world as the rest of us.
Of course the real worry is the economic danger posed by Animal Rights to the profit-seeking Big Pharma thar 'forgets' to tell us:
(a)animals are not reliable test models, e.g., the recent TGN1412 disaster, and the number of drugs that pass the animal testing stage but fail in the following clinical trials. (b)it has been admitted that the slightest variation in the lab animal's housing can affect an animal's physiology and response to medication, e.g., the bedding in a cage, the amount of light, noise and even a lab technician's aftershave. O yes, how very 'scientific'...
(c)many of the conditions for which drugs are produced are not actual illnesses at all, and when they are, in most cases, they could be prevented by simple lifestyle changes (diet, reducing pollution, improving living conditions, education, etc).
(d)Many drugs produced are simply 'me-too' versions of drugs already available. (e)Many animal experiments are duplicated over and over again by different researchers in different establishments - the 'publish or perish' motivation is the driving force of many experiments. (f)If drug companies care so much about human well-being and health, why are there so many battles by drug companies to prevent cheaper, generic copies of drugs from becoming available? (g)Lab animals are adequately protected by Government regulations. Really? How is it that every time an undercover investigation is undertaken into an animal laboratory, repeated breaches of those regulation are always found?
And so it goes on....]]> 2009-04-23T15:54:01Z strike_x321@yahoo.com David Mitchell 90.196.182.234 wp_id=218269;date=2009-04-23 12:53:19-04:00
also, can we get confirmation that nail bombs were actually used? i'd like to see some proof of intention to physically harm humans before we start bandying about and spreading false rumors.

thanks for all your work!]]> 2009-04-23T16:53:19Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 24.21.198.47 wp_id=218270;date=2009-04-23 12:53:23-04:00
its right to rebel against reactionaries.

btw, i'm not a fan of bin laden, but this posting makes it seem like its ok for some to be on a "terrorist list" and not others. the ones who should be on the list are the ones who--at the moment--run this planet.]]> 2009-04-23T16:53:23Z josefox@berkeley.edu josetheredfox 75.101.31.183 wp_id=218280;date=2009-04-23 16:28:47-04:00
http://www.ucla-pro-test.org]]> 2009-04-23T20:28:47Z hello@anonymous.disqus.net HELLO! 69.244.74.111 wp_id=218282;date=2009-04-23 16:30:44-04:00 2009-04-23T20:30:44Z hello@anonymous.disqus.net HELLO! 69.244.74.111 wp_id=218286;date=2009-04-23 17:02:08-04:00 2009-04-23T21:02:08Z jhaskell3@sbcglobal.net tofuatomic 76.217.34.141 wp_id=218299;date=2009-04-23 20:33:27-04:00 2009-04-24T00:33:27Z bea.elliott@verizon.net Bea Elliott 71.98.226.22 wp_id=218305;date=2009-04-23 21:31:55-04:00 2009-04-24T01:31:55Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 75.182.71.119 wp_id=218331;date=2009-04-24 07:57:52-04:00 2009-04-24T11:57:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.187.7 wp_id=218337;date=2009-04-24 11:01:21-04:00
It is easy to make a strong case for direct action. Used properly, for instance by people like Rod Coronado or the myriad activists who are not caught performing liberartions or sabotages, direct action is an effective tactic.

Remember the millions of arguments you've had with pacifists. "Oh MLK was effective, but pacifism is just a tactic, you have to use it correctly and at the correct time!"

There are a number of valid points in this article:

1] The state is maintaining a bias toward the right
2] Daniel is not in the same league as Osama

I'll add a couple of my own

3] Direct action is often a moral & effective choice for helping animals and the environment

4] Green activists are staring down an unfathomable wave of unethical treatment

BUT!!!

When an activist commits an act that is not going to hit a business where it hurts, namely their pocketbook but rather chooses to hit activist movements where it hurts, namely the moral high ground, we take care not to rally around them.

What is the monetary effect of a nail bomb? While this does reek of corruption, it reminds me of Consumer Freedom's attack on PETA for euthanizing strays. It's rotten and I don't like it but the question is: who is to blame? Is it our opponents for making an intelligent move or ourselves for the negligence we demonstrate in setting up that move?]]> 2009-04-24T15:01:21Z email_deals_feedback@philly.com the guess who 98.114.54.170 wp_id=218343;date=2009-04-24 13:42:32-04:00
Middle Easterners can't look too 'Middle Eastern' or they're terrorists, right?

You're wearing a turban? You're a terrorist!
You're not wearing a leather belt? You're a terrorist!

I smell fascism.


@ xvxdavexvx: Because mainstream left doesn't want to be associated with 'extreme' beliefs. No one wants to be associated with 'terrorists.' Not even the Humane Society...
And mainstream right doesn't see the things listed there as 'terrorism' they see it as protecting their freedoms... Like bombing abortion centers, for example, somehow protects their freedom of religion, and protects their daughters from being 'godless.'
...And because many (not all) mainstream lefties are pansies.
(Not to say that I don't like pansies...)]]> 2009-04-24T17:42:32Z snake@anonymous.disqus.net Snake 138.9.29.82 wp_id=218360;date=2009-04-24 19:31:26-04:00
https://www.createspace.com/33...]]> 2009-04-24T23:31:26Z k_pcarey@yahoo.com kevin 76.125.15.89 wp_id=218382;date=2009-04-25 03:02:00-04:00 2009-04-25T07:02:00Z hotwaterburnbabee@hotmail.com Harry 71.92.155.197 wp_id=218399;date=2009-04-25 09:20:19-04:00 i smell it too.
to rephrase my question:
when faced with the proposition that members of their own COULD be terrorists, why does the right to choose to deny that and even go so far as to insist that DHS apologize? instead of what the left does (as in the case of HSUS), which is to completely accept the framework and terms of the whole debate and thusly dissociate (and even offer money as a reward for capture) with the 'terrorist fringe' of their own?]]> 2009-04-25T13:20:19Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com xvxdavexvx 69.206.167.103 wp_id=218466;date=2009-04-26 10:34:10-04:00
I want to strongly advise everyone, including Will to please consider your words carefully when discussing cases like this. Daniel Andreas has not been convicted of anything, and in the instance that he ever does have to go to court on these charges, the activist community should be aware that everything we write and put out about him, could potentially be used against him. Further, it's important for us not to accept the FBI's premise of his guilt.

Will wrote:

"Enter Daniel Andreas San Diego. He hasn’t harmed anyone, and his crimes are nothing compared to Osama bin Laden and others on the list..."

I take issue with the words "his crimes" - Will, please consider re-wording this sentence. Let's not give the Feds any more credit than they are do. Daniel Andreas has no crimes, period.

At most he's a suspect. So, let's at least say things like "alleged" crimes.]]> 2009-04-26T14:34:10Z sarah.j.l.o@gmail.com Sarah 96.231.7.22 wp_id=218525;date=2009-04-27 09:15:38-04:00 You're absolutely right. I made sure to say "alleged" up top and left it out near the bottom. I've corrected it. Thanks. Will]]> 2009-04-27T13:15:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=223099;date=2009-06-20 19:51:59-04:00 Associated to bomb making = Terrorist
Alleged bomb making = Innocent until proven guilty. If guilty then terrorist.
If terrorist then hang from neck until dead.

That seemed pretty simple to me.

Where do Donations to the HSUS Go?.

I love these conversations!]]> 2009-06-20T23:51:59Z albertarasch@hotmail.com Albert 24.164.25.28 wp_id=218565;date=2009-04-27 19:28:01-04:00 2009-04-27T23:28:01Z tomonroad@yahoo.com libhomo 24.164.132.177 wp_id=218633;date=2009-04-28 13:41:29-04:00 2009-04-28T17:41:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=218670;date=2009-04-29 01:31:35-04:00
Reading the indictment, my personal opinion is that this case stretches even farther and is even more chilling than the SHAC7 case.]]> 2009-04-29T05:31:35Z aetadefensefund@yahoo.com Support 99.191.72.86 wp_id=218674;date=2009-04-29 02:55:46-04:00 2009-04-29T06:55:46Z host@anonymous.disqus.net Host 24.155.247.186 wp_id=218696;date=2009-04-29 10:36:47-04:00 2009-04-29T14:36:47Z dude@home.net DUDE 71.51.24.124 wp_id=218697;date=2009-04-29 10:44:20-04:00
I remember once, in the early 1990s, a coalition of activists from different student organizations "occupied" the University of Michigan Regents meeting. Just as the meeting was about to begin, we all filed in and took their seats. We then conducted the meeting, pretending to be them. (They fled, mistakenly thinking this would keep the media from covering the event.) I played the bellicose homophobic Regent who was locally famous for his regularly inane and offensive remarks. It was great fun. We also got lots of publicity for our viewpoints while demonstrating our solidarity across movements. All of our concerns were taken a lot more seriously by the University thereafter, as they knew that we were working together.

Kind of like... the mafia?

Seriously, this is scary.]]> 2009-04-29T14:44:20Z pattrice@pattricejones.info pattrice jones 67.142.130.16 wp_id=218699;date=2009-04-29 11:01:34-04:00
When I saw this I immediately thoughts of campus occupations as well, including the recent NYU and New School campaigns.]]> 2009-04-29T15:01:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=218702;date=2009-04-29 11:41:22-04:00 2009-04-29T15:41:22Z ravensrun65@gmail.com Raven 67.232.188.41 wp_id=218706;date=2009-04-29 12:33:04-04:00
I think a better approach would be to argue that some of the laws they're using to charge them are not applicable. RICO? Seriously? It's laughable. I hope that part of it gets tossed out. Apparently the industry hasn't got the environmental equivalent to the AETA though, so they're grasping at straws.]]> 2009-04-29T16:33:04Z hexalm@gmail.com hexalm 131.107.0.104 wp_id=218707;date=2009-04-29 12:51:48-04:00 2009-04-29T16:51:48Z beet@riseup.net banu 71.183.182.155 wp_id=218719;date=2009-04-29 15:30:38-04:00 2009-04-29T19:30:38Z dutspam@yahoo.com dut 67.108.179.250 wp_id=218875;date=2009-05-01 20:25:19-04:00 2009-05-02T00:25:19Z ryanhstone@gmail.com The New Anarchist 74.192.143.11 wp_id=219250;date=2009-05-05 15:47:52-04:00 I say to you, this morning, that if you have never found something so dear and precious to you that you will die for it, then you aren’t fit to live.You may be 38 years old, as I happen to be, and one day, some great opportunity stands before you and calls upon you to stand for some great principle, some great issue, some great cause. And you refuse to do it because you are afraid.
You refuse to do it because you want to live longer. You’re afraid that you will lose your job, or you are afraid that you will be criticized or that you will lose your popularity, or you’re afraid that somebody will stab or shoot or bomb your house. So you refuse to take a stand.
Well, you may go on and live until you are ninety, but you are just as dead at 38 as you would be at ninety.
And the cessation of breathing in your life is but the belated announcement of an earlier death of the spirit.
You died when you refused to stand up for right.
You died when you refused to stand up for truth.
You died when you refused to stand up for justice.”]]> 2009-05-05T19:47:52Z sad@anonymous.disqus.net sad 151.151.7.53 wp_id=219588;date=2009-05-08 19:25:08-04:00 2009-05-08T23:25:08Z esotericemma@gmail.com Emma 68.179.141.170 wp_id=219792;date=2009-05-10 15:22:32-04:00 The possibility that I could get charged with terrorism charges for standing up for what I believe in is just straight up scary. My mom is starting to make jokes with me saying that I'll be put on the no-fly list, but I think she's starting to get serious.
I recently wrote a paper for an English class and this is what my last few sentences basically said:
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We are in a time that free speech is limited to what is socially acceptable and doesn’t affect the corporate world. I mean, there is so much work going into creating the crime of ‘eco-terrorism’ that we end up losing track of the supposed foundation of this country, and that is the constitution. We must remember that the First Amendment lives today, and should be defended, even if the ideas we hear are not those which we like.
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This is seriously getting out of hand, and there's pretty much nothing we can really do about it, as long as the government maintains control.]]> 2009-05-10T19:22:32Z nativexyouth@riseup.net rose 160.94.28.145 wp_id=221091;date=2009-05-24 04:22:05-04:00
May 21, 2009, New York, NY – Today, the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and the Civil Liberties Defense Center (CLDC) joined in defense attorneys’ motion to dismiss the U.S. government’s indictment of four animal rights activists under the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (AETA).

“To characterize protest and speech as terrorist activities is ludicrous,” said CCR cooperating attorney Matthew Strugar. “And it is not just animal rights activists who are in danger here. The AETA is so broad and unclear it could be used to suppress lawful protests and boycotts by any activists across the spectrum, no matter what the issue. The law must be struck down.”

The activists, Joseph Buddenberg, Maryam Khajavi, Nathan Pope and Adriana Stumpo, referred to as the AETA 4, were indicted for alleged conspiracy to commit “animal enterprise terrorism” as a result of their alleged participation in conduct including protesting, writing with chalk on the sidewalk, chanting, leafleting, and the use of “the Internet to find information on bio-medical researchers.” These activities are protected by the First Amendment.

Passed by Congress towards the end of the Bush administration, the AETA makes activities such as protests, boycotts, picketing and whistleblowing crimes. Though the AETA targets animal rights activists, lawyers say its language is so broad and vague that it could be easily used to prosecute any activists who might engage in peaceful activities such as a labor group picketing or organizing a boycott. For this reason, CCR has joined with the AETA 4 to ask the court to strike down the law as unconstitutional.

The case of the AETA 4 is the first use of the AETA since it was signed into law – it is clear that the law can and will be used against lawful activists. Attorneys say it is of critical importance that the case against the AETA 4 be dropped in order to protect our Constitutional right to dissent.

“These activists are peaceable individuals exercising their rights as guaranteed by the United States,” said volunteer attorney for the AETA 4 Bob Bloom. “This law is a blatant attempt to silence peaceful political dissent and fundamental rights in the interests of industries that abuse our natural resources.”

The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) is a non-profit legal and educational organization dedicated to protecting and advancing the rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. CCR is committed to the creative use of law as a positive force for social change and uses litigation to empower poor communities and communities of color, to guarantee the rights of those with the fewest protections and least access to legal resources, to train the next generation of constitutional and human rights attorneys, and to strengthen the broader movement for constitutional and human rights. Visit http://www.CCRjustice.org

The Civil Liberties Defense Center is a nonprofit organization focused on defending and upholding civil liberties through education, outreach, litigation, legal support and assistance. The Civil Liberties Defense Center strives to preserve the strength and vitality of the Bill of Rights and the U.S. and state constitutions, as well as to protect freedom of expression. Visit http://www.cldc.org.]]> 2009-05-24T08:22:05Z ccr@anonymous.disqus.net CCR 76.254.65.184 wp_id=234095;date=2009-12-28 10:39:54-05:00 2009-12-28T15:39:54Z vitaliy40tver@gmail.com nainlyUnamunc 94.241.13.91 wp_id=221874;date=2009-06-02 10:28:42-04:00 2009-06-02T14:28:42Z info@comcast.net Jimmy Jack smith 173.49.161.41 wp_id=221878;date=2009-06-02 11:47:53-04:00 2009-06-02T15:47:53Z veganforlife@sbcglobal.net Mark Hawthorne 12.4.26.248 wp_id=221879;date=2009-06-02 11:54:33-04:00 2009-06-02T15:54:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=221881;date=2009-06-02 11:59:52-04:00 i've been missing your blog posts like whoa.

p.s. excellent post.]]> 2009-06-02T15:59:52Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com xvxdavexvx 76.15.61.90 wp_id=221882;date=2009-06-02 12:08:31-04:00 2009-06-02T16:08:31Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=221887;date=2009-06-02 12:23:50-04:00
Derrick Jensen also put this well when he said: (http://www.endgamethebook.org/...)
"Premise Four: Civilization is based on a clearly defined and widely accepted yet often unarticulated hierarchy. Violence done by those higher on the hierarchy to those lower is nearly always invisible, that is, unnoticed. When it is noticed, it is fully rationalized. Violence done by those lower on the hierarchy to those higher is unthinkable, and when it does occur is regarded with shock, horror, and the fetishization of the victims.

Premise Five: The property of those higher on the hierarchy is more valuable than the lives of those below....."]]> 2009-06-02T16:23:50Z someone@anonymous.disqus.net Someone 69.92.145.208 wp_id=221888;date=2009-06-02 12:37:22-04:00 2009-06-02T16:37:22Z suasorias@gmail.com SuS 24.43.148.50 wp_id=221889;date=2009-06-02 12:48:11-04:00 2009-06-02T16:48:11Z lsj521@gmail.com The Vegas Vegan 68.224.126.93 wp_id=221890;date=2009-06-02 12:49:51-04:00
In addition to the reasons you mentioned, I want to add one more:

- Greater public opposition to abortion.

There is a far higher percentage of humans in the U.S. who oppose abortion than oppose the slaughter of other animals (most indirectly participate in it through their food choices) and the destruction of the natural environment (most don't have the same sense of urgency). Therefore, drastic actions against abortion go down much differently in the eyes of the public than these others.

If the government labeled the assassination of abortion providers as terrorism, there would be a backlash that unfortunately is not even there when the government labels rescues/liberations and sabotage as "terrorism."]]> 2009-06-02T16:49:51Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 75.182.90.31 wp_id=221893;date=2009-06-02 13:05:54-04:00 2009-06-02T17:05:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=221894;date=2009-06-02 13:07:40-04:00 Thanks for noting that. Derrick Jensen nails this. And I think the recent examples in this article show how correct those statements are.]]> 2009-06-02T17:07:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=221895;date=2009-06-02 13:09:22-04:00 I'm back I'm back! Had some serious health stuff come up, which threw a wrench into everything. I'm trying to catch up! Expect more posts on this, and updates on Green Scare cases...]]> 2009-06-02T17:09:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=221898;date=2009-06-02 13:34:52-04:00 2009-06-02T17:34:52Z bpharrison@gmail.com Ben 207.235.8.4 wp_id=221900;date=2009-06-02 13:39:38-04:00 That's directly from a top DHS official in Pennsylvania. Please click the link for a full post with more information.]]> 2009-06-02T17:39:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=221901;date=2009-06-02 13:42:44-04:00
My mom, who is a pretty mainstream liberal (not a radical by any means), brought up a really good point when I was discussing the Green Scare with her.

She said that the reason Americans are so quick to side with corporations and government when it comes to "eco-terrorism", black blocs, etc, is because most Americans are bullshitted by the American Dream to believe that they will one day be one power, and that these "extremists" that actually have the majority's interests in mind will one day be a threat to them.

To bring this back to your post- anti-abortion violence does not threaten every day Americans' perceived future of luxury and power, so even pro-choice folks might not call it terrorism. But even environmentalists will call ALF and ELF acts terrorism because they believe they will one day be the victims of those acts when they "finally strike it rich"]]> 2009-06-02T17:42:44Z outreach@farmusa.org Michael A. Weber 71.178.185.33 wp_id=221902;date=2009-06-02 13:49:12-04:00 2009-06-02T17:49:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=221903;date=2009-06-02 14:16:21-04:00 2009-06-02T18:16:21Z mark_twain@anonymous.disqus.net Mark Twain 216.231.27.138 wp_id=221904;date=2009-06-02 14:18:01-04:00 2009-06-02T18:18:01Z mark_twain@anonymous.disqus.net Mark Twain 216.231.27.138 wp_id=221905;date=2009-06-02 14:20:26-04:00 2009-06-02T18:20:26Z mark_twain@anonymous.disqus.net Mark Twain 216.231.27.138 wp_id=221912;date=2009-06-02 15:25:39-04:00
Mark T- Not to speak for the writer, but this blog has made it clear that it doesn't endorse or defend all tactics of animal and environmental activists. The point is though, that acts of property destruction are called terrorism when done by environmentalists, but acts of murder (even mass murder) are considered isolated acts when done by right-wingers.]]> 2009-06-02T19:25:39Z outreach@farmusa.org Michael A. Weber 71.178.185.33 wp_id=221914;date=2009-06-02 15:48:21-04:00
Keep it coming.]]> 2009-06-02T19:48:21Z athonwy@gmail.com Athonwy 76.105.193.138 wp_id=221916;date=2009-06-02 16:14:40-04:00
At worst? So, you burned cars and destroyed families homes (cause more than the CEO live there)? Yeah, thats not horrible. I mean, for people who supposedly care about the environment to burn waste that isn't meant to be burned, I'm fairly sure that releases things into our air, just seems counter-productive. All I'm saying is that ALOT (not all) of these underground groups use tactics like vandalism and destruction of private property., to get their points across. And I appluad their motives, I really do. Change needs to be made in a lot of areas of society. What it comes down to is this "So, you want these companies to adhere to laws, yet you dont want to adhere to the same legislation as the rest of the citizens? " Seems strange, no? Trust me, I really like this site and his point of view, I just think that personal responsibility needs to hold more weight in our culture than it does. We are always trying to blame the Parent (or CEO) instead of the choices made by the consumers, who are propelling those industries forward. And...I love a good a debate:)]]> 2009-06-02T20:14:40Z mark_twain@anonymous.disqus.net Mark Twain 216.231.27.138 wp_id=221918;date=2009-06-02 16:22:29-04:00 2009-06-02T20:22:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=221919;date=2009-06-02 16:22:47-04:00 2009-06-02T20:22:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=221920;date=2009-06-02 16:24:43-04:00 2009-06-02T20:24:43Z baily2@optonline.net matt 209.212.1.202 wp_id=221921;date=2009-06-02 16:32:10-04:00 2009-06-02T20:32:10Z mark_twain@anonymous.disqus.net Mark Twain 216.231.27.138 wp_id=221922;date=2009-06-02 16:33:59-04:00 2009-06-02T20:33:59Z mark_twain@anonymous.disqus.net Mark Twain 216.231.27.138 wp_id=221923;date=2009-06-02 16:35:11-04:00 2009-06-02T20:35:11Z mark_twain@anonymous.disqus.net Mark Twain 216.231.27.138 wp_id=221931;date=2009-06-02 18:15:18-04:00 2009-06-02T22:15:18Z saltoftheplanet@anonymous.disqus.net saltoftheplanet 69.221.138.149 wp_id=221954;date=2009-06-02 23:02:45-04:00 Want an example? It ended the rule of the Third Reich.
How about another? It ended slavery in the United States.
Both at great cost, but those episodes of history were none the less ended by violence.
Unfortunately, the"great cost" is a problem. There doesn't seem to be an effective way to leverage a small amount of violence into a large benefit (and that would seem to define the intent of terrorism) If you want to change an enemy, that enemy must be largely defeated or eliminated.]]> 2009-06-03T03:02:45Z saltoftheplanet@anonymous.disqus.net saltoftheplanet 69.221.138.149 wp_id=221955;date=2009-06-02 23:13:25-04:00 Terrorism is designed to make life as usual unacceptable. It is designed to leverage a relatively small action against a few into a large change by many (and may be an entry tactic to be followed by something more severe). It generally assumes conflict resolution is immaterial, only compliance is.]]> 2009-06-03T03:13:25Z saltoftheplanet@anonymous.disqus.net saltoftheplanet 69.221.138.149 wp_id=221959;date=2009-06-03 00:19:27-04:00 If that is how terrorism is defined in *practice* (as opposed to in dictionary definitions) please explain how all of the examples above are not being labeled as terrorism, yet non-violent political activism is.]]> 2009-06-03T04:19:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.114.104 wp_id=221964;date=2009-06-03 01:03:04-04:00
Labels, by those in control of defining them, are manipulated or designed to achieve a social engineering benefit that may not be obvious on the surface. Look at the labels the military puts on their actions. Public opinion can be nuanced by the changing definitions of words.

Also, many activists who privately accept violence maintain a well groomed non-violent public profile.]]> 2009-06-03T05:03:04Z saltoftheplanet@anonymous.disqus.net saltoftheplanet 69.221.138.149 wp_id=221982;date=2009-06-03 06:46:04-04:00 http://animalrights.about.com/...]]> 2009-06-03T10:46:04Z animalrights.guide@about.com Doris 173.63.41.220 wp_id=221991;date=2009-06-03 09:12:21-04:00 2009-06-03T13:12:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=221995;date=2009-06-03 09:34:52-04:00 2009-06-03T13:34:52Z verush@aol.com Teresa 192.217.249.28 wp_id=221999;date=2009-06-03 09:48:41-04:00 2009-06-03T13:48:41Z dhth@hotmail.com Denis Alexander 76.171.38.3 wp_id=222000;date=2009-06-03 09:52:16-04:00 change.org...I look forward to reading further posts as you are now added to my favorites list...the whole topic of "eco-terrorism" is just one more thing that really pisses me off about the human race - shakes head in shame - you know it's going to be too late when most people come out of their consumerist coma and realize that money is worthless if there isn't a planet left to spend it on.]]> 2009-06-03T13:52:16Z kristen.magno@hotmail.com kristen 4.21.148.147 wp_id=222003;date=2009-06-03 10:09:41-04:00 Please follow the links in the post, do a Google search, read the paper... this murder is not being called terrorism by the government or the press, outside of some bloggers and abortion rights groups.

Also, please point to one instance where I have ever said that mailing razor blades or blowing up cars is "non-violent activism." It's easy to try to associate any dissent with your opposition (I especially got a kick out you saying I'm in cahoots with the Animal Liberation Front) but it avoids the heart of the issue which is why are activists who have never harmed a human being considered a higher terrorism threat than individuals who murder in the name of their cause.]]> 2009-06-03T14:09:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222022;date=2009-06-03 13:48:06-04:00 Dr. George Tiller, one of the few late-term abortion providers

Will, a few years ago a friend of mine involved with NARAL told me that the term "partial birth abortion" was not a medical term. It was coined by the "pro-life" movement for the purposes of spin.

Do you know if the term "late term abortion" is a legitimate legal or medical term?

Just curious]]> 2009-06-03T17:48:06Z beforewisdom@gmail.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=222025;date=2009-06-03 14:29:26-04:00 http://tinyurl.com/oh8ydd

What activists are you saying never harmed anyone? The AETA4? We'll see that when the evidence is presented in the trial.

I am all for free speech, but what I have seen tells me that AETA4 were more engaged in a campaign of intimidation and terrorism against UC researchers, where both physical and psychological harm were caused.

The heart of the issue is, do you support the violence of the ALF to achieve their goals or not?]]> 2009-06-03T18:29:26Z dtnt@hotmail.com Denis Alexander 164.67.77.222 wp_id=222028;date=2009-06-03 15:00:51-04:00 That's correct, and I believe that's why most news outlets generally refer to it as a late-term abortions. That's certainly accurate, and I think it's the most fair way to describe it.]]> 2009-06-03T19:00:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222029;date=2009-06-03 15:05:09-04:00 Your link is to an *opinion* piece by a columnist, which follows exactly what I said in my previous comment. When it comes to terms like "eco-terrorism," they are consistently used in standard news coverage.

If you are saying that the AETA 4 have harmed anyone... well, you're all alone on that one. The government isn't alleging that in the federal complaint or indictment. It's not part of any charge. They're charged with distributing fliers and attending protests while wearing masks.

Finally: in a way, you are correct. Your comment--and the guilt by association tactics you are attempting to employ--are really what all of this terrorism rhetoric is all about. It's following the Bush administration's "with us or against us" rhetoric to say that anyone who questions these policies is with the so-called "terrorists."]]> 2009-06-03T19:05:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222033;date=2009-06-03 16:00:20-04:00 2009-06-03T20:00:20Z baily2@optonline.net matt 66.173.244.30 wp_id=222035;date=2009-06-03 16:23:18-04:00 2009-06-03T20:23:18Z dtnt@hotmail.com Denis Alexander 164.67.77.222 wp_id=222039;date=2009-06-03 17:08:09-04:00
If you have evidence of the AETA 4 being a violent "gang," you might want to give the FBI or DOJ a call, because they're certainly lacking that info and aren't bringing those charges.]]> 2009-06-03T21:08:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222045;date=2009-06-03 18:43:31-04:00 2009-06-03T22:43:31Z dtnt@hotmail.com Denis Alexander 164.67.77.222 wp_id=222090;date=2009-06-04 13:52:16-04:00
it is becoming clear to me that the real enemy is violence. late term abortions are violent. animal cruelty is violent. killing abortionists is violent. blowing up buildings is violent. all of it only begets more of the same.]]> 2009-06-04T17:52:16Z thebramble@gmail.com well... 63.78.129.180 wp_id=222117;date=2009-06-04 23:26:41-04:00
Even though others mention the vandalism of ALF and ELF (and elsewhere home protests), it is interesting to note in the 40 or so years of ELF and Earth First and the likes, -no one- has died. In the early days of the anti-abortion movement, they carefully timed their clinic bombings so as to not hurt providers or patients. But in the 90's, it moved up. Until then, some of the tactics of the anti-abortion movement and animal rights activists were quite similar. I personally hate that Operation Rescue regularly stalks clinic workers and try to use their neighbors to harass them. If it bothers me there, then it bothers me when animal rights activists do it (and I'm certainly sympathetic to AR but not anti-abortion). I'm not pleased with all of the actions of AR activists, but I'm certainly more sympathetic. They're trying to save lives immediately.

Which is why the anti-abortion rhetoric brings out people who start shooting providers. But not calling it domestic terrorism certainly doesn't keep them from doing it. So long as they're just lone people who aren't egged on by the national media ...

It is interesting to be on the sidelines of the greatest domestic terrorist threat while having never hurt -anyone- and then sitting down the street from a terrorist act and having it not recognized.]]> 2009-06-05T03:26:41Z carolyn_marie_fugit@anonymous.disqus.net Carolyn Marie Fugit 68.103.186.49 wp_id=222201;date=2009-06-06 07:00:36-04:00
Rachel Maddow, from The Rachel Maddow Show, has been calling Dr. Tiller's murder "domestic terrorism." She also questioned why his killer was not picked up by the FBI before he killed. Another clinic had twice reported the killer to the FBI just prior Dr. Tiller's murder. I emailed Rachel to say they were too busy arresting animal activists for chalking sidewalks. Also, since the SHAC 7 were jailed for running a website, why aren't those who targetted Dr. Tiller via the Internet getting locked up; you should see their websites! What do you think about your reaching out to Rachel Maddow about this issue?]]> 2009-06-06T11:00:36Z vr@anonymous.disqus.net VR 69.244.74.111 wp_id=222212;date=2009-06-06 10:16:57-04:00 I reached out to them about the Communications Management Units and the AETA 4 arrests, and got some interest (but nothing happened).]]> 2009-06-06T14:16:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.179.85 wp_id=222214;date=2009-06-06 10:32:45-04:00 2009-06-06T14:32:45Z vr@anonymous.disqus.net VR 69.244.74.111 wp_id=222276;date=2009-06-07 15:15:22-04:00 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...
From the AP on 6/7/09

Suspect in Kan. doctor's death warns of violence:

"I know there are many other similar events planned around the country as long as abortion remains legal," Roeder said.

again....how is this not terrorism?]]> 2009-06-07T19:15:22Z simonsnyder@ymail.com simon 70.89.189.105 wp_id=222519;date=2009-06-11 15:52:52-04:00 2009-06-11T19:52:52Z youth_against_animal_cruelty@anonymous.disqus.net Youth Against Animal Cruelty 64.234.102.139 wp_id=223081;date=2009-06-20 12:58:01-04:00 2009-06-20T16:58:01Z melissawf@yahoo.com melissawf 69.221.244.161 wp_id=223525;date=2009-06-27 02:15:24-04:00
1. Terrorists are non-state actors: Under international law, only states have the ability to use "legitimate force". This means that acts of violence committed by individuals or groups not affiliated with any government are not valid and can potentially be considered terrorism. (On a side note, this is why the US military's actions in Iraq are not considered terrorism like the post suggests they should be. Since the military is a state actor, it is by definition excluded from being a terrorist actor.)

2. Terrorists use violence for a political purpose.

3. Terrorism involves seemingly random acts of violence against people (usually civilians). Targets generally have no strong connection to the political purpose the terrorists are trying to support.

Dr. Tiller's murder fits the first two criteria: the killer was a non-state actor, and he was motivated by a political, anti-abortion agenda. However, Dr. Tiller was specifically singled out for being a high-profile abortion provider. His murder was hardly a random act against an uninvolved target. For this reason, Dr. Tiller's murder would be more accurately considered a political assassination rather than an act of terrorism. It's a simple matter of definition rather than a semantics game motivated by some sinister agenda.]]> 2009-06-27T06:15:24Z k_heitstuman@yahoo.com Kee 76.25.88.23 wp_id=222075;date=2009-06-04 09:22:46-04:00
Many of the crimes listed are hate crimes which have punishments enhancements if found guilty. Many of them are just crimes, trying to buy a 9 year old for sex is a very disgusting crime and should carry a sentence of stoning but it does not try to force any political change.

AR terrorist use violence and arson of try and force other to live as they do, none of the crimes you have listed seem to do that. They are just crimes.


BTW, I hope you are feeling better and back on your feet, hopefully you had someone to make you chicken soup while you were sick.]]> 2009-06-04T13:22:46Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=222076;date=2009-06-04 09:59:28-04:00 2009-06-04T13:59:28Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=222078;date=2009-06-04 10:09:36-04:00 2009-06-04T14:09:36Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222081;date=2009-06-04 11:22:37-04:00
It's quite convenient to want to define terrorism so broadly as to include non-violent civil disobedience and home protests, then want to define it so narrowly as not other acts that "intimidate or coerce" for political purposes.

It's interesting to me that you think things like buying a child for sex are "just crimes," but you consistently post on this website absolutely outraged by the "terrorism" of property destruction.]]> 2009-06-04T15:22:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222083;date=2009-06-04 12:15:44-04:00
I never said that buying a child was a lesser crime than threatening violence on researchers, but buying a child for sex does not force political change. Trying to put a research lab out of business by threatening the employees and their families who work there can.]]> 2009-06-04T16:15:44Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=222085;date=2009-06-04 12:52:51-04:00
perhaps then do you think we should reconsider our ideas of terrorism and the sentencing that comes along with a terrorism charge? its quite disturbing but clear now that a person like eric mcdavid(who is now serving a 20 yr sentence for a conspiracy charge) is going to spend more time behind bars than a child rapist. why should whether or not he was promoting a certain political agenda play any role in his sentencing?

i havent looked at all those 30 crimes too closely but im sure a large portion(including the recent murder of Dr George Tiller)were committed to promote a right-wing political agenda that will never include any mentioning of the word terrorism. strange. perhaps because erics acts hit the wallets of rich white men while scott roeders act of murder affected largely poor women...now if you cant see the contradictions behind the governments agenda espeically after this recent murder you must be pretty naive, joe.]]> 2009-06-04T16:52:51Z kevin@anonymous.disqus.net kevin 76.125.15.89 wp_id=222087;date=2009-06-04 13:09:29-04:00 2009-06-04T17:09:29Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=222089;date=2009-06-04 13:50:02-04:00 2009-06-04T17:50:02Z dave@anonymous.disqus.net Dave 69.114.85.110 wp_id=222094;date=2009-06-04 14:34:48-04:00
Here's a good example from today's news:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

Personally I'm in favor of protecting animals, regardless of how its labeled.]]> 2009-06-04T18:34:48Z paul108h@gmail.com Paul108H 206.53.157.231 wp_id=222098;date=2009-06-04 16:16:50-04:00
I included the other examples, which are the minority of the list, in order to show how backwards all of this is. Committing these very serious, evil crimes for personal gain, greed or indulgence is, as Joe said, "just a crime." Meanwhile, acting to create positive social change--either through non-violent civil disobedience, property destruction, or even leafletting--is being labeled as "terrorism." I think things couldn't be more upside down.]]> 2009-06-04T20:16:50Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222101;date=2009-06-04 16:41:28-04:00 2009-06-04T20:41:28Z paul108h@gmail.com Paul108H 206.53.157.231 wp_id=222102;date=2009-06-04 17:08:36-04:00 there is over 100 definitions for the word terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...]]> 2009-06-04T21:08:36Z baily2@optonline.net matt 216.83.104.124 wp_id=222105;date=2009-06-04 18:55:00-04:00 ANY act which threatens to take political or corporate power/profits from the status quo.]]> 2009-06-04T22:55:00Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.215.139 wp_id=222106;date=2009-06-04 19:10:00-04:00 It is called spin, like If you call people in Afghanistan terrorists then people wont mind that we are bombing those citizens to whatever was before the stone age.

Anyway, when I read an Associated press article titled, "Anti-abortion Activist Charged with Murder," I had a heart attack.

This jerk, allegedly, murdered a man.
Activist?
The Green River Killer wanted to rid the world of prostitutes, was he an activist? I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Peace out--
Addie]]> 2009-06-04T23:10:00Z addie65@gmail.com addie 71.167.224.56 wp_id=222109;date=2009-06-04 19:16:15-04:00 2009-06-04T23:16:15Z greg.faber@gmail.com Greg 198.147.10.57 wp_id=222110;date=2009-06-04 19:18:03-04:00
sorry and thanks:)
Addie]]> 2009-06-04T23:18:03Z addie65@gmail.com addie 71.167.224.56 wp_id=222114;date=2009-06-04 22:09:13-04:00 by what criterion do you make this distinction?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_k1Hs...]]> 2009-06-05T02:09:13Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com xvxdavexvx 76.15.61.90 wp_id=222144;date=2009-06-05 09:26:10-04:00 2009-06-05T13:26:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222145;date=2009-06-05 09:27:39-04:00 I think that's a great point, and helps explain the label not being applied to Tiller's murder: struggling to take power away from the government or corporations is terrorism, struggling to take power away from women is business as usual.]]> 2009-06-05T13:27:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222152;date=2009-06-05 11:55:35-04:00 2009-06-05T15:55:35Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=222157;date=2009-06-05 14:10:03-04:00 2009-06-05T18:10:03Z helilightenmeup@hotmail.com Trish 71.131.131.21 wp_id=222161;date=2009-06-05 14:47:05-04:00 2009-06-05T18:47:05Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=222174;date=2009-06-05 19:48:52-04:00 2009-06-05T23:48:52Z helilightenmeup@hotmail.com Trish 71.131.131.21 wp_id=222217;date=2009-06-06 11:28:48-04:00
must be a blissful life, believing and buying into everything mainstream society has taught you is Truth.]]> 2009-06-06T15:28:48Z dbr1969@gmx.com razor 97.123.173.139 wp_id=222223;date=2009-06-06 14:23:46-04:00 2009-06-06T18:23:46Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=222243;date=2009-06-06 20:33:57-04:00
I beg to differ. Arson, theft, stalking and bombing are criminal activities. The animal rights may think that supporting or carry out crimes against those that oppose them or those that they have chosen as their enemy is not a crime but it is.

The animal rights activist who sent threatening letters to my office, stalked my children and my wife, all because I hunt and like to eat meat, is a criminal and quite rightly ended up in prison.]]> 2009-06-07T00:33:57Z atacov@yahoo.ca hunter 70.78.144.60 wp_id=222274;date=2009-06-07 14:25:12-04:00
You quoted me as saying that these activists have never harmed anyone. I've never said the actions you listed are not illegal.

Also: Sorry, but I'm not buying that animal rights activists "stalked your children" because you eat meat. Who is this individual? If they ended up in prison, I'm sure you can point to some news article or court document.]]> 2009-06-07T18:25:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.116.131 wp_id=222285;date=2009-06-07 20:46:22-04:00
http://www.buzzle.com/articles...

Sometimes I think that it would be easier to be like Joe; buying into everything one is told makes one less conflicted, requires less thought and action and makes for a great nights sleep.]]> 2009-06-08T00:46:22Z vr@anonymous.disqus.net VR 69.244.74.111 wp_id=222325;date=2009-06-08 20:43:59-04:00 http://docs.ekrub.net/hsaradic...
and its supplementary lexicon:
http://www.tdbimg.com/files/20...
if you are unfamiliar with these reports, then i suggest reviewing the lexicon FIRST, but please.. the truth is horrifying enough WITHOUT bloggers deliberately misleading people
Peace]]> 2009-06-09T00:43:59Z tamaraehawk@yahoo.com tamaraehawk 74.42.172.230 wp_id=222326;date=2009-06-08 21:43:39-04:00 Yes, I've read both of those, and have written about them. Please point to any of the 30 above examples where the word terrorism is used. It's one thing to note that right wing extremists are part of a government lexicon, along with many others, and it's quite another to see *any* terrorism rhetoric or charges used against them play out in the real world.]]> 2009-06-09T01:43:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.101.192.150 wp_id=222518;date=2009-06-11 15:47:01-04:00 2009-06-11T19:47:01Z youth_against_animal_cruelty@anonymous.disqus.net Youth Against Animal Cruelty 64.234.102.139 wp_id=222373;date=2009-06-09 14:26:57-04:00 2009-06-09T18:26:57Z youthagainstanimalcruelty@gmail.com Youth Against Animal Cruelty 76.6.133.236 wp_id=222391;date=2009-06-09 20:59:04-04:00 2009-06-10T00:59:04Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=222416;date=2009-06-10 09:25:02-04:00 It seems to me that McGowan is labeled a "political prisoner" when it's convenient for the government and animal rights opponents, such as when his case was called a "victory" in the War on Terrorism and press releases were sent out about this political victory. But now that he's sitting in prison, you and others want to say "Oh no, this isn't political." You can't have your cake and eat it too.]]> 2009-06-10T13:25:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222440;date=2009-06-10 18:05:40-04:00 It's fun. You guys should try it.]]> 2009-06-10T22:05:40Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=222450;date=2009-06-10 20:15:24-04:00 2009-06-11T00:15:24Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=222493;date=2009-06-11 08:53:22-04:00 2009-06-11T12:53:22Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=222432;date=2009-06-10 17:05:49-04:00
Repeal AETA and we'll have lots of FBI resources freed up to go after the REAL bad guys.]]> 2009-06-10T21:05:49Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 66.91.250.245 wp_id=222434;date=2009-06-10 17:19:05-04:00 2009-06-10T21:19:05Z tochashona@yahoo.com Barb 66.91.250.245 wp_id=222439;date=2009-06-10 17:57:42-04:00 2009-06-10T21:57:42Z noemail@gmail.com @ friend 98.116.27.191 wp_id=222446;date=2009-06-10 19:19:38-04:00 2009-06-10T23:19:38Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=222451;date=2009-06-10 20:25:33-04:00 2009-06-11T00:25:33Z vr@anonymous.disqus.net VR 69.244.74.111 wp_id=222452;date=2009-06-10 20:34:52-04:00 2009-06-11T00:34:52Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.84.170 wp_id=222458;date=2009-06-10 23:16:25-04:00
cubestar, how have I discredited myself by repeating the chief of police?]]> 2009-06-11T03:16:25Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=222465;date=2009-06-11 01:23:02-04:00
I think VR is explaining why the FBI are quick to label animal activists as terrorists. _They_ threaten corporate profits, and _not_ the lone gunman in this case who is actually threatening (terrorising) people.]]> 2009-06-11T05:23:02Z mcnicolandrew@gmail.com Andrew 220.233.207.28 wp_id=222494;date=2009-06-11 09:01:44-04:00 I was guessing that he would say something along the lines of "Of course it is terrorism for a white supremacist to bring a loaded gun into the Holocaust Museum and fire it in a room where school children are being given guided tours...But that doesn't mean that eco-terrorism is less of a threat to the fabric of American life."
For those keeping score, I'm now 2-1.]]> 2009-06-11T13:01:44Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=222496;date=2009-06-11 09:20:48-04:00 2009-06-11T13:20:48Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 205.201.251.58 wp_id=222508;date=2009-06-11 11:20:55-04:00
From @Z4F4R "the gunman" label means he will be psychoanalyzed instead of pilloried by the media.]]> 2009-06-11T15:20:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222539;date=2009-06-11 23:09:10-04:00 http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/...
Either way, I am finally glad to see the term actually applied correctly for once.]]> 2009-06-12T03:09:10Z scott.cox@soletechnology.com Scotty 70.182.194.130 wp_id=222603;date=2009-06-12 15:16:27-04:00 2009-06-12T19:16:27Z jonathan@anonymous.disqus.net Jonathan 114.159.234.42 wp_id=222639;date=2009-06-13 10:43:53-04:00 You can't get more mainstream than the Associated Press:


Shootings show threat of 'lone wolf' terrorists
By DEVLIN BARRETT and EILEEN SULLIVAN
Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

http://tinyurl.com/m2z8u2]]> 2009-06-13T14:43:53Z beforewisdom@anonymous.disqus.net beforewisdom 66.44.125.7 wp_id=222495;date=2009-06-11 09:12:35-04:00 2009-06-11T13:12:35Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 207.154.59.124 wp_id=222497;date=2009-06-11 09:31:09-04:00 I have never said anything like that. Please provide a quote, a link, or anything to support your claim.

In regards to this article, nobody "tried to storm into that house." It's not a house. It's a church. The activists were waiting in the church until service began so they could create this spectactle, involving two people *kissing*, so they could draw attention to their cause.

By this logic, civil rights activists were "violent" and "intimidating" by sitting down at lunch counters and offending the racist sensibilities of everyone in the diner.]]> 2009-06-11T13:31:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222504;date=2009-06-11 10:30:07-04:00
But seriously folks, when I first heard about this ridiculous accusation, I thought it would die out quickly because it was so ludicrous. Apparently I was wrong. I do think to highly of society at times...

All the best to Bash Back! Keep it up!]]> 2009-06-11T14:30:07Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.139.143 wp_id=222506;date=2009-06-11 10:46:09-04:00 2009-06-11T14:46:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222509;date=2009-06-11 11:30:23-04:00 2009-06-11T15:30:23Z thebramble@gmail.com well... 63.78.129.180 wp_id=222512;date=2009-06-11 13:06:39-04:00
To Will- I was doing pretty well...But I've been wrong twice today, so that knocks my average way down to like 50/50...The comment about the Museum shooting that implied that since it was only one shooter it wasn't terrorism really hit me out of left field. And then the comment on this one killed my average.]]> 2009-06-11T17:06:39Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=222525;date=2009-06-11 17:03:52-04:00
I personally find gay behavior disgusting, and my religion describes homosexual attraction as "demoniac." One should never enter a place of worship with the intention of being offensive.

http://vedabase.net/bg/7/11/en

Homosexualty is not annyone's identity; it's a consequence of excessive lust. Lust is a perversion of love, and homosexuality is a further perversion. If it's a condition from birth, then it's the result of a previous life's thoughts and activities. Feeling gay attraction should be a wake-up call to resist the call of lust and surrender to God. Instead these gays are mocking religious sentiment and offending those who are trying to advance in spiritual life. One should hope they're also engaged in animal welfare activities, because disregarding religiousity is a good way for the soul to enter the womb of an animal for the next birth.]]> 2009-06-11T21:03:52Z paul108h@gmail.com Paul108H 206.53.153.172 wp_id=222527;date=2009-06-11 17:15:49-04:00
Sorry dude, you're making a better mockery of your own "religious sentiments" than queer kids ever could.]]> 2009-06-11T21:15:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222529;date=2009-06-11 17:50:30-04:00 2009-06-11T21:50:30Z baily2@optonline.net matt 216.83.104.124 wp_id=222569;date=2009-06-12 10:00:51-04:00
Similarly one gets a future body according to present activities. It is not hard to understand. As Krishna explains in Bhagavad-gita 2.13, "As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change." http://vedabase.net/bg/2/13/en

Homosexuality as a condition from birth is not at all inconsistent with Vedic knowledge, but it does not take the responsibility away from the soul so affected by the condition. Similarly, the suffering of animals is the result of their own past activities in human bodies. When one understands spiritual nature, this is not at all difficult to grasp. The exploitation or proitection of anyone is all the unavoidable result of their activities. This is not speculation; it is reading the law out of the lawbook.]]> 2009-06-12T14:00:51Z paul108h@gmail.com Paul108H 206.53.144.39 wp_id=222576;date=2009-06-12 11:06:33-04:00 I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything....I'm just trying to understand. Also, when you quote religious writings as concrete facts, it makes it hard for 99% of people to have a conversation with you because either A) they aren't religious, in which case they're going to automatically dismiss anything you say or B) they ARE religious, but worship another God, in which case you're just going to go round and round with "Krishna says..." "Yes, but Jesus said that..." "That's not what the Lock Ness Monster teaches..."]]> 2009-06-12T15:06:33Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=222582;date=2009-06-12 12:10:10-04:00
Paul108H - I'm an athiest and don't believe in your religion. So your words have absolutely zero credibility to me. That being said, you have no right to judge anyone based on their own self-identified sexuality. Please keep your gay-bashing beliefs to yourself.

well... - Again, my athiest mind is not going to wrap itself around your idea of "gay churches" and whatnot. People kissing is not offensive. Get over yourself and stop being an asshole.

Also realize that when you refer to a group of people as, "the gays" in such sentences as, "...why don't the gays stay over there?" you are referring to a group of human beings. Do you go around saying, "the blacks?" Probably not, unless you're a racist in addition to a gay-bashing wingnut. Human beings have rights. You should respect those rights. However, please don't use use that fact to defend fascist rhetoric. Hitler did not have the right to exterminate Jewish people. The KKK and Neo-Nazis do not have the right to lynch and harass people of color, and christian fundamentalists and other religious right-wingers do not have the right to harass and oppress queer people. Period.

Fuck all this puritannical, religious nonsense. People should have the right to live free from oppression. Why can't you understand that? What are you so threatened by?]]> 2009-06-12T16:10:10Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 24.21.198.222 wp_id=222586;date=2009-06-12 12:47:14-04:00
The only thing your texts may have supported is that homosexuality came from a past life. Perhaps you will be BORN gay in your next to help you be more tolerant of people who are BORN gay.]]> 2009-06-12T16:47:14Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARphilo 72.95.198.11 wp_id=222592;date=2009-06-12 14:06:54-04:00
I know, it's hard to not get sucked into those comments. At the same time, there's a great community of people posting regularly here.

You can always subscribe in RSS, or just not read the comments, but I hope you'll continue posting. Best, Will]]> 2009-06-12T18:06:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222600;date=2009-06-12 14:57:14-04:00 But really, I'm left wondering what they are going to be claiming as "damages". I read through the filed complaint. Trespassing, OK, obstruction or some crap, I could maybe see, but what are these damages? I didn't read anything about property damages so I'm only left with money they didn't get to collect from the parishioners? and attorneys' fees (which they brought on themselves by filing the complaint in the first place.)
I'm not going to shed a tear if any of the Bash Back!ers get slapped with a trespassing misdemeanor and are not allowed back at that church. They obviously knew what they were doing, and did a damn good job of it, very successful for what BB!Lansing's aims seemed to be, in my humble opinion. But I will be upset if they are heavily fined for a ton of crap for these shadowy "damages" that people incurred.
I mean this next comment with the utmost respect for anyone of any gender, race, creed, sexual orientation, or whatever else you might identify as. But, another bit of irony I find is that this group of dominant people (from the news reports I've seen, predominantly white, Christian, and heterosexual) were "terrorized" by what "that one asshole in high school" would describe as "a bunch of pussies and fags". It's sad that there was even a reason for this protest in the first place, but until hate and sexual discrimination is extinguished, BB! will have a reason to exist.]]> 2009-06-12T18:57:14Z jonathan@anonymous.disqus.net Jonathan 114.159.234.42 wp_id=222608;date=2009-06-12 16:18:02-04:00
It makes a lot more sense than speculating that some things happen for a reason and other things for no reason.

When people understand this, they take care to help others and not harm them. Of course, helping doesn't always mean giving people what they want; it means doing what's good for them. For example, if someone is hungry and wants a hamburger, I'd give him a vegetarian meal and explain why.

It's really not a matter of religion. It is science. Fire does not only burn Hindus or Christians and exclude atheists. The connection between cause and effect is a fact of nature. If the Vedas say the Sun rises in the East and sets in the West, that does not make it religious doctrine. The religious aspect is simply that Vedic knowledge is inerrant because it originates from God's own mouth. The scriptures of meat-eaters are admittedly of human origin, but the Vedas prove God's reality simply by the fact that no human(s) could produce anything displaying so many features of perfection. Neither is there any human author named therein or known to tradition.

l(A)ntz, Your idea of rights is nothing more than a social construction. What is the value of so-called rights that are not respected by others? Whether Hitler had the right to kill Jews is a social debate, but if the Jews he killed had those rights, they obviously did them no good.

What matters is duty, which exists whether acknowledged or not. Rights are the passive side of another's duty. In the matter of sexual desires, what real basis would there be for anyone to protect another person's assumed right to whatever kind of sexual relationship they may desire?

In the matter of oppression, a meat-eater can argue that veg*n activists want to take away their right to eat the food of their choice. I respond to them the same way I respond to gays, by instructing how it brings harmful effects to themselves and others. I'm not oppressing anyone by typing on my BlackBerry. I'm trying to educate people to help them rise above material conditioning and achieve real freedom.

ARphilo, That homosexuality is sinful is specified in the Manu Samhita, commonly described as "The Lawbook for Mankind." Another mention is here: http://vedabase.net/sb/3/20/26... I did not give references like these before because it's not the main subject. I was under the impression that this blog is supposed to be about protecting animals or something like that, and that the gay thing is an off topic post. My points on the matter of karma apply universally.]]> 2009-06-12T20:18:02Z paul108h@gmail.com Paul108H 206.53.144.186 wp_id=222611;date=2009-06-12 17:00:55-04:00 I'll give credit where credit is due though....You're very well trained in the "fire burns both the christian AND the athiest....so therefore, God exists" rhetoric.]]> 2009-06-12T21:00:55Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=222618;date=2009-06-12 19:53:28-04:00
aren't you supposed to give up material possessions? I hope you're typing these notes at the public library, coz I'm not sure that ray cappo will be happy that you own a computer.

you mention science, though i'm not sure exactly why or that you really believe in science -- please use science to prove that "homosexuality is sinful"]]> 2009-06-12T23:53:28Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 69.198.154.42 wp_id=222630;date=2009-06-13 03:26:06-04:00
Next, we'll hear that the Boston mayor's panicking over some lite-brites scattered around the city. Oh, wait, that already happened.

01-31-2007: Boston will never forget]]> 2009-06-13T07:26:06Z mike@bresina.net Mike 66.188.237.214 wp_id=223298;date=2009-06-24 10:56:49-04:00
Even your religious text does not share your hate.]]> 2009-06-24T14:56:49Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.139.143 wp_id=223322;date=2009-06-24 17:01:15-04:00
This sentence from ARPhilo caught my eye "The stupidity of people and their ability to retranslate and reword things to fit a hate agenda amazes me."

I couldn't agree more, it has always amazed me how animal rights terrorist will reword the definition of terrorism to meet their agenda.]]> 2009-06-24T21:01:15Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=223380;date=2009-06-25 10:36:19-04:00
1. Violently brash dress code;
2. Dangerously ignorant statements that incite censoreship directly and violence indirectly;
3. Disseminating hate speech;
4. The brash display of religious iconography and language which is itself violent, a form of psychological violence (ie. crucifictions, baptism by fire, burning in hell, etc).
5. Hypocritical speech as psychological terrorism--the Bible is replete with homophilic and homosexual stories that are the basis up which stories of equality and love for others are based.]]> 2009-06-25T14:36:19Z disfasia@yahoo.it Julian Vigo 24.201.144.190 wp_id=223671;date=2009-06-29 14:12:04-04:00 2009-06-29T18:12:04Z johnny.schmidt@gmail.com johnnygp 24.185.106.215 wp_id=222577;date=2009-06-12 11:24:05-04:00 2009-06-12T15:24:05Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=222581;date=2009-06-12 12:01:34-04:00 2009-06-12T16:01:34Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=222584;date=2009-06-12 12:19:48-04:00 2009-06-12T16:19:48Z minkumadness@yahoo.com Minku 69.211.122.91 wp_id=222587;date=2009-06-12 13:03:26-04:00 2009-06-12T17:03:26Z thebramble@gmail.com well... 63.78.129.180 wp_id=222593;date=2009-06-12 14:17:18-04:00 Come on buddy...I'm pretty sure I've got your comment pretty much pegged for this one. This one will either put me back in the game or will destroy my average and put me on a 3 wrong guesses losing streak.

On a side note....Will, are you gonna be at the AR conference in LA all 3 days or just here and there?]]> 2009-06-12T18:17:18Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=222596;date=2009-06-12 14:40:28-04:00 Yep I'll be there the whole time, flying in Thursday I think and leaving Monday.]]> 2009-06-12T18:40:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222597;date=2009-06-12 14:45:15-04:00 2009-06-12T18:45:15Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=222598;date=2009-06-12 14:49:34-04:00
Of course I'll stop by, it'll be great to hang out]]> 2009-06-12T18:49:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222655;date=2009-06-13 18:27:38-04:00 2009-06-13T22:27:38Z info@comcast.net Long Dawn Silver 98.116.27.191 wp_id=222757;date=2009-06-15 12:01:12-04:00
Will- I can't wait to (hopefully) meet you and hear you speak at AR. I am the (relatively) new outreach coordinator for FARM, and I will be speaking at the conference as well as working my ass off during it, haha. Your session is top on my "request time off" list. Your blog and analysis are really important to me. I love what you do.

I will also be at the AETA4 benefit in DC which I think you're going to be at, yes?]]> 2009-06-15T16:01:12Z outreach@farmusa.org Michael A. Weber 71.178.185.33 wp_id=222768;date=2009-06-15 14:47:47-04:00 2009-06-15T18:47:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.184.198 wp_id=222852;date=2009-06-16 23:40:27-04:00 2009-06-17T03:40:27Z cockeyed522@yahoo.com Joe C (Not that Joe) 68.11.47.194 wp_id=223105;date=2009-06-20 22:50:55-04:00 2009-06-21T02:50:55Z tomonroad@yahoo.com libhomo 24.168.10.91 wp_id=222878;date=2009-06-17 10:48:13-04:00
Property is the fruit of your labor, the product of your time, energy, and talents. It is that part of nature that you turn to valuable use. And it is the property of others that is given to you by voluntary exchange and mutual consent. Two people who exchange property voluntarily are both better off or they wouldn’t do it. Only they may rightfully make that decision for themselves.

At times some people use force or fraud to take from others without willful, voluntary consent. Normally, the initiation of force to take life is murder, to take liberty is slavery, and to take property is theft. It is the same whether these actions are
done by one person acting alone, by the many acting against a few, or even by officials with fine hats and titles. You have the right to protect your own life, liberty, and justly acquired property
from the forceful aggression of others. So you may rightfully ask others to help protect you. But you do not have a right to initiate force against the life, liberty, or property of others. Thus, you have no right to designate some person to initiate force
against others on your behalf.

You exist in time: future, present, and past. This is manifest in life, liberty, and the product of your life and liberty. The exercise of choices over life and liberty is your prosperity. To lose your life is to lose your future. To lose your liberty is to lose your present. And to lose the product of your life and liberty is to lose the portion of your past that produced it.

If you truly consider yourself to be an anarchist, and believe in a society without rulers, then you should also subscribe to the Non-Aggression Principle - and see the moral dilemma in attempting to gain freedom by stealing the freedoms of others.

If you are truly an Anarchist (as I am), and a environmentalist / ecowarrior - you should be reading "Healing Our World" by Dr. Mary Ruwart so that you can seek out some alternative and more effective and permanent solutions to solving environmental problems, rather than destroying the property and liberty of others.]]> 2009-06-17T14:48:13Z johnson@freetalklive.com Johnson Rice 69.118.56.244 wp_id=222880;date=2009-06-17 10:59:01-04:00 2009-06-17T14:59:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222883;date=2009-06-17 11:55:39-04:00 2009-06-17T15:55:39Z handsomelake@hotmail.com Handsome Lake 74.78.196.111 wp_id=222887;date=2009-06-17 12:26:05-04:00
My friend gave me a recipe a while back for her "Smash the State Chocolate Cake". I put it in with the rest in my cookbook. Does that mean I could be "observed advocating literature and materials which advocate anarchy, property destruction and violence" as well as delicious desserts and tasty treats?]]> 2009-06-17T16:26:05Z jonathan@anonymous.disqus.net Jonathan 114.159.234.42 wp_id=222888;date=2009-06-17 13:08:20-04:00
That may be the most ridiculous comment I've ever seen in response to any posting on this site, ever. If you don't have enough reasons to fight back by now, you're a lethargic devil.]]> 2009-06-17T17:08:20Z gottobekidding@anonymous.disqus.net GotToBeKidding 24.58.254.2 wp_id=222890;date=2009-06-17 13:27:00-04:00 2009-06-17T17:27:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222892;date=2009-06-17 14:08:13-04:00 "And it is the property of others that is given to you by voluntary exchange and mutual consent. Two people who exchange property voluntarily are both better off or they wouldn’t do it"....really? There are millions of children making shoes in "third world" countries who I think would have a different point of view on the subject.
"You have the right to protect your own life, liberty, and justly acquired property from the forceful aggression of others." I would add to this that each of us has the right to defend those who cannot defend themselves, including non-human animals, old growth forests, etc. The flaw in your argument is that you see the environmentalists as the ones who are initiating the aggression. In fact, they are acting to STOP the aggression of corporate interests who if they had their way, would pave the entire planet.]]> 2009-06-17T18:08:13Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=222893;date=2009-06-17 14:12:32-04:00
Also, in evidence reports and now in FBI possession, there's a memoir entitled Direct Action which the authorities allege that I possessed.

Anyway, Will, always a great site with excellent points.

Joseph]]> 2009-06-17T18:12:32Z joseph@anonymous.disqus.net Joseph 76.254.65.184 wp_id=222894;date=2009-06-17 14:22:02-04:00
I think we (the general public) and the courts are the intended morons here. The officials who make these specious claims already know them to be false. They only use them as devices to incite fear and anger. A means to an end (prosecution of the "bad guys" - A.K.A. the accused - no matter what).]]> 2009-06-17T18:22:02Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.84.170 wp_id=222895;date=2009-06-17 14:25:12-04:00
Also, "Direct Action" (by Ann Hansen) is another one on my book shelf, and I'm sure many others reading this site own a copy as well.

The more I think about this, it seems like the government is consistently arguing that the information someone possesses is indicative of not only their beliefs but their intention. By that logic, no one reads anything they don't agree with. That's a pretty sad, but perhaps true, commentary on the state of this country.]]> 2009-06-17T18:25:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222896;date=2009-06-17 14:29:17-04:00 2009-06-17T18:29:17Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.51 wp_id=222900;date=2009-06-17 15:18:07-04:00 2009-06-17T19:18:07Z bunnygrl2001@yahoo.com teresa 98.227.70.12 wp_id=222902;date=2009-06-17 15:55:42-04:00 2009-06-17T19:55:42Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.139.143 wp_id=222906;date=2009-06-17 16:44:13-04:00
Now. Extend this to property ownership. You can trot out all the pretty-sounding phrases you want, but ownership is only a right if it only affects you. Where ownership of property affects someone else negatively (and here I include other-than-human animals as well as human beings; I'm a meat eater, but I have standards), it becomes a privilege and may be revoked.

It's not enough to say stealing or vandalism is wrong. It's not enough to invoke the Founding Fathers. The Founding Fathers owned *slaves.* The Founding Fathers denied property ownership AND political activity to women. They clearly could not see through their own class privilege well enough to understand the ramifications of what they advocated and how they advocated it.

Clearly you can't either.

Let's discuss mink farms for a sec. I'm a meat-eater. Thus, I have no problem with the concept of using non-edible animal parts for other purposes IF the animal in question was also used for food. So if someone eats a rabbit and wants to wear its fur, go for it! The animal has no further use for it and you are giving it more respect than simply throwing it away. And I daresay it's a sight more eco-friendly than that damn pleather vegans are always on about. (I come from a state suffering massive pollution from the production of vinyl so I kind of take that personally. Is human cancer an acceptable price to pay for not wearing leather?) But when you're just using an animal for its fur and you waste the rest of it? No. I draw the line at that. And as far as I'm concerned nobody has the right to own that "property." So if an activist wants to destroy a facility like that? Go for it.

"[Property] is that part of nature that you turn to valuable use." That right there speaks volumes about your values. You're ALREADY getting valuable use from nature, homeboy, whether or not you personally own it.

If you don't believe me, stop breathing.]]> 2009-06-17T20:44:13Z none@ofyerbidness.net yeah OK 76.181.79.124 wp_id=222907;date=2009-06-17 16:47:32-04:00 2009-06-17T20:47:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222908;date=2009-06-17 17:05:18-04:00 Leather and fur are skin. I'm not saying that to be an "animal rights asshole"...it's just a point I have to get on the table to make my next point. Just like dead human skin, rabbit and cow skin starts the process of decaying immediately after death. The only way to stop this process is to use toxic (carcinogenic) chemicals to "tan" the hides. These chemicals leach into the soil and eventually into the ground water. How is that "eco-friendly"?]]> 2009-06-17T21:05:18Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=222915;date=2009-06-17 17:31:04-04:00 "Activist Accused of “Advocating Literature and Materials Which Advocate Anarchy”
I'm not an Anarchist, but isn't that a compliment although a terrible sentence artistically?

Jonathon Rice--
"Destroying private property, being around those that destroy private property, or consorting with those that advocate the destruction of private property; DOES reflect negatively on your character. For that matter, so does destroying public property."

--Not inherently. You are begging the question, man.
If in protest, you burn a confederate flag that is up on a court house, you might be breaking some archaic law, but the act does not reflect negatively on your character. Or do you really believe that it would?

Will--
I pretty much just have knitting pattern books and books about American Military history, through the Viet Nam.
There are no cookbooks in here at all, do you think I am safe from the Feds. lol
I miss the Constitution or even the pretense:(

addie]]> 2009-06-17T21:31:04Z addie65@gmail.com addie 71.167.245.182 wp_id=222916;date=2009-06-17 17:34:13-04:00 2009-06-17T21:34:13Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.139.143 wp_id=222919;date=2009-06-17 17:36:57-04:00 2009-06-17T21:36:57Z jhaskell3@sbcglobal.net tofuatomic 76.223.70.53 wp_id=222934;date=2009-06-17 23:54:39-04:00 Thats an interesting (not to mention wrong) view on property from an anarchists standpoint. These companies are taking this land, destroying, and then selling us the products from this destroted. Not only do we not need much of these things they impress upon us, but we could use the land much more. Isn't taking away land that not only non-humans live on, but that this land could also be used for humans. More children must live on the streets while highways are being built so more people can drive their cars, polluting the environment even more, and destroying the world that we need to survive. That sounds more like taking away freedom then not letting corporations have land that doesn't even belong to them. "Monopolizing the accumulated efforts of man, property has robbed him of his birthright, and has turned him loose a pauper and an outcast....the only demand that property recognizes is its own gluttonous appetite for greater wealth, because wealth means power; the power to subdue, to crush, to exploit, the power to enslave, to outrage, to degrade." Was Emma Goldman wrong? I think not.]]> 2009-06-18T03:54:39Z cockeyed522@yahoo.com Joe C (Not that Joe) 68.11.47.194 wp_id=222957;date=2009-06-18 09:30:29-04:00 Throw in the bible with your collection of books on knitting and military history, and you'll have one safe, All-American library. :)]]> 2009-06-18T13:30:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=222958;date=2009-06-18 09:58:32-04:00
Should I kill an abortion doctor or shoot people at a holocaust museum to balance out my terrorist/non-terrorist ratio?

:-)

Now I'm just being catty.]]> 2009-06-18T13:58:32Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARPhilo 130.49.139.143 wp_id=222966;date=2009-06-18 13:35:24-04:00 2009-06-18T17:35:24Z rob@anonymous.disqus.net rob 75.72.220.229 wp_id=222967;date=2009-06-18 13:58:59-04:00
"How Nonviolence Protects the State" by Peter Gelderloos
"Assata" by Assata Shakur
"The ABC of Anarchism" by Alexander Berkman
"Combat Without Weapons" by Captain E. Leather, RCA (seriously)

I know I'm forgetting some, but I'm not in front of my personal library right now. Let me get back to you!

Anyone who protects the value of property over human rights and liberty probably shouldn't be calling themselves an anarchist. Then again, anarcho-capitalists shouldn't call themselves anarchists either.]]> 2009-06-18T17:58:59Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 98.246.106.29 wp_id=222968;date=2009-06-18 14:08:25-04:00
do you have a generic amazon link that has your amazon account number in it (so i don't have to come back to this page and click on a book, search for the products I want and hope some $$ goes to GITNR? thought i'd be able to figure it out from the book links but ... that's too much work! =) my hatred of malls eventually wore down my "boycott-amazon-over-those-cock-fighting-magazines" boycott, so we shop there A LOT.

(and yeah, a quick agreement w/ Lin - all that tanning crap is really disgusting. my parents used to be taxidermists and that was small scale ... can't imagine how horrid it would be on an industrial scale.)]]> 2009-06-18T18:08:25Z two_vegans@yahoo.com jill 68.98.169.21 wp_id=222969;date=2009-06-18 15:12:18-04:00 2009-06-18T19:12:18Z helilightenmeup@hotmail.com Trish 75.15.242.82 wp_id=222974;date=2009-06-18 17:03:50-04:00 2009-06-18T21:03:50Z anarcha-racoon@anonymous.disqus.net Anarcha-racoon 173.79.237.241 wp_id=222992;date=2009-06-19 00:33:48-04:00 [The fact that prosecutors see these books as a threat is all the more reason to get yourself a copy or two. If you order them, please do so through the GreenIsTheNewRed.com Amazon account, below, and support this site at the same time! ]

Careful there Will, I think you just committed an act of terra-ism!]]> 2009-06-19T04:33:48Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 207.119.120.169 wp_id=223014;date=2009-06-19 11:28:37-04:00 half.com. That way I don't have to go to the mall or buy from amazon-pro-foie-gras-pro-fur-pro-dog/cock-fighting-pro-bullshit and I don't have to buy anything new! Win win win situation. I've also gottena few nifty first editions of rad books for cheap prices from sellers on half.com, if you happen to be a book geek like me.]]> 2009-06-19T15:28:37Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARphilo 96.236.180.54 wp_id=223215;date=2009-06-22 17:40:20-04:00
Yeah OK, you assume all vegans wear pleather. Alot of vegans, including myself, do not. Even if we did, it would still be more eco-friendly than the skin of a dead non-human. (Think of the tanning chemicals, plus all of the land, water, resources, pesticides, and hormones it took to raise that cow.)

And don't even get me started on your "standards" for your meat and other animal products. Humane slavery is still slavery.

Will, great job on this article. I think I might buy a few of those books and donate them to my high school library ;)]]> 2009-06-22T21:40:20Z youth_against_animal_cruelty@anonymous.disqus.net Youth Against Animal Cruelty 71.52.144.66 wp_id=223220;date=2009-06-22 19:51:02-04:00 2009-06-22T23:51:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.101.101.245 wp_id=223295;date=2009-06-24 10:12:42-04:00
I would demonize people, too if they were a threat to my comfy status quo. It would take leaps and bounds for these authorities to fathom a non-chaotic world without any strongarming superstate. So they envision a world gone mad if anarchists have their way. It's like Christians trying to envision a world without Christ. Everyone would be having sex all the time and murdering for fun, right? Right?

And that's a hard lesson taught, that the world will be just fine without some invisible hand guiding everyone, whether that hand is the long arm of the law or Immanuel or the idea of Freedom.]]> 2009-06-24T14:12:42Z ryanhstone@gmail.com The New Anarchist 74.192.165.68 wp_id=223341;date=2009-06-24 21:26:37-04:00 2009-06-25T01:26:37Z pieman@pieman.org aron pieman kay 173.77.99.151 wp_id=223376;date=2009-06-25 09:51:51-04:00 2009-06-25T13:51:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=223239;date=2009-06-23 11:13:04-04:00 Also, I haven't seen this posted all that much yet (except on myspace)...but for those who hadn't heard, Josh Harper was released from prison last week. 3 out 3 to go!]]> 2009-06-23T15:13:04Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=223337;date=2009-06-24 19:57:46-04:00
As for Josh being released, I hope he is doing well. Somebody should do an interview with him, *hint hint*.]]> 2009-06-24T23:57:46Z youth_against_animal_cruelty@anonymous.disqus.net Youth Against Animal Cruelty 71.52.144.66 wp_id=223352;date=2009-06-25 01:07:18-04:00 2009-06-25T05:07:18Z therealjamesb@gmail.com james 64.136.204.113 wp_id=223375;date=2009-06-25 09:51:40-04:00 It is a nice photograph! My comment was making fun of me not the photographer :)]]> 2009-06-25T13:51:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=224200;date=2009-07-06 02:42:02-04:00 I mean technically anarchism is outside the bounds of legal and illegal, but is there any law that claims: "thou must play the game?"
Besides all of them?

"Competition means that we don't get to come together and decide what would be best for ourselves and the world as a group, nor do we get to decide those things as individuals. Instead, the projects our species undertakes and the changes we make in the world are decided by the laws of competition, by whatever SELLS the most."
Days of War, Nights of Love.
Crimethink for Beginners]]> 2009-07-06T06:42:02Z laurenkay@zenbe.com isladefiance 64.180.71.121 wp_id=223412;date=2009-06-25 16:50:21-04:00 Thanks for posting this. The interview was very interesting. All three of you came across very well.

You said, Stepanian was "convicted of 'animal enterprise terrorism' for running a controversial, and effective, website." Can you please clarify what you mean by "effective"?
Thanks :)]]> 2009-06-25T20:50:21Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=223424;date=2009-06-25 19:17:03-04:00
I realize that I haven't paid anything like the dues of going to jail, but I have been detained by police and investigated by Homeland Security for merely taking photo's of chemical plants that I post on my blog. Guess you could say I'm just a liberal activist with anarchist leanings!

The government policy is getting completely out of hand.

I respect and support your work.]]> 2009-06-25T23:17:03Z bill_wolfe@comcast.net Bill 69.248.185.152 wp_id=223433;date=2009-06-25 22:08:04-04:00 2009-06-26T02:08:04Z oak123123-free@yahoo.com JT 75.45.20.5 wp_id=223438;date=2009-06-25 23:14:56-04:00 2009-06-26T03:14:56Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.56.227.32 wp_id=223656;date=2009-06-29 09:01:31-04:00 2009-06-29T13:01:31Z dhth@hotmail.com Denis Alexander 76.171.38.3 wp_id=223811;date=2009-07-01 17:58:29-04:00 2009-07-01T21:58:29Z baily2@optonline.net matt 216.83.104.124 wp_id=223724;date=2009-06-30 10:23:57-04:00
I'm reminded of the post-Columbine media frenzy about video games and Marilyn Manson supposedly causing them to be violent. I'm really curious, especially if this movie is highly successful (at least in getting people to the theatres), about what its role is going to be in both its effect on The Movement and future legal action. On the one hand, this kind of "gateway media" (how many of us 20 somethings are too embarrassed to admit that Green Day's "Dookie" was our gateway into hundreds of other punk bands that wont get you laughed at?) might inflate The Movement if it becomes popular. A new form of Green Washing could evolve, and running the same way as punk, emo, harcore, and almost anything that was underground at one point, cash in on it, pacify it, cause divisions between the those who "saw them open for ______, before they got big and sold out", and in effect co-opt resistance, watching it recede into a benign state.

I maybe took this music analogy too far. But how many other semi-destructive resistance cultures have been co-opted and sold off to the highest bidder? Marijuana paraf, Che T-shirts, skateboarding, punk rock. I could see it being possible that a movie like this could propel a generation of 12-24 year olds to all of a sudden take notice, and having positive or negative effects. But I see more negative.

Regardless, we already know that "the book was better than the movie".]]> 2009-06-30T14:23:57Z jonathan@anonymous.disqus.net Jonathan 114.159.234.42 wp_id=223727;date=2009-06-30 11:41:02-04:00 2009-06-30T15:41:02Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=223733;date=2009-06-30 13:18:30-04:00 2009-06-30T17:18:30Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.69 wp_id=223735;date=2009-06-30 14:26:05-04:00 2009-06-30T18:26:05Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 207.154.59.124 wp_id=223736;date=2009-06-30 14:30:42-04:00
but yet we all know and have these movies memorised, i think that we all have that slimy feeling when it comes to major media destroying what we hold sacred, but in the end it was major media that spread the ideals to us....as always the amount of kids who mimic the behavior isnt massive, but it pushes the movement forward...and its always nice to see a movie that supports what we beleve in...steal the film off mininova]]> 2009-06-30T18:30:42Z llama@anonymous.disqus.net llama 75.110.152.3 wp_id=223737;date=2009-06-30 14:38:51-04:00 2009-06-30T18:38:51Z mirandasp@comcast.net Miranda Spencer 24.63.102.237 wp_id=223738;date=2009-06-30 15:21:40-04:00 2009-06-30T19:21:40Z kristen.magno@hotmail.com kristen 4.21.148.147 wp_id=223742;date=2009-06-30 16:00:24-04:00 For anyone who forgot, at the moment I'm riding a dismal 50/50 average...But Joe's back from vacation now, so hopefully I can redeem myself.]]> 2009-06-30T20:00:24Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=223745;date=2009-06-30 16:14:27-04:00 2009-06-30T20:14:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=223748;date=2009-06-30 17:06:07-04:00 2009-06-30T21:06:07Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=223749;date=2009-06-30 17:16:43-04:00 I know some people are eagerly anticipating the score so here it is...I guessed the "I'll have to look up all the stuff you were wrong about and correct you" line pretty dead on. The "hardly a vacation" thing I had, but I had predicted it was some sort of work related injury, which I assume happens all the time with FBI agents.
So all in all, I guess I got one part right and one part wrong.....so that evens itself out and I'm still at 50%.]]> 2009-06-30T21:16:43Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=224021;date=2009-07-03 16:51:03-04:00 2009-07-03T20:51:03Z hchapot@igc.org hc 99.41.51.51 wp_id=224203;date=2009-07-06 04:13:37-04:00 2009-07-06T08:13:37Z hotwaterburnbabee@hotmail.com Harry 76.115.27.193 wp_id=224223;date=2009-07-06 13:42:31-04:00
While I'm no fan of Matt, I wonder what being vegetarian has to do with the actors, directors, or the book itself? George Hayduke was an unapologetic asshole who tore through anything he could get his hands on, flesh or otherwise. And that's why we love him. I mean, all the characters in the book had lifestyle traits that would be appalling to your typical prius-driving, green energy credit buying, EMS card holding, Sierra Club defending, self-righteous vegan. And, again, that's why we love them. They're fallible and, thanks to that, real. Their actions outweighed their lifestyles.]]> 2009-07-06T17:42:31Z rudolph_the_red@anonymous.disqus.net Rudolph The Red 24.58.254.2 wp_id=224285;date=2009-07-07 23:58:20-04:00
By the way, they plan to film this in New Mexico, not Utah.

For those interested in Abbey and film, track down the 1962 Kirk Douglas adaptation of the Brave Cowboy - Lonely are the Brave, which was allegedly Douglas' favorite work. Explicit references to anarchism are excised, but it's cool as a cowboy anti-hero kind of flick.]]> 2009-07-08T03:58:20Z cecilrhayduke@gmail.com Cecil Hayduke 72.220.160.146 wp_id=225044;date=2009-07-21 16:05:29-04:00
Cool blog. I found it looking for info on the MWG movie.]]> 2009-07-21T20:05:29Z dogbanezombiehunter@gmail.com dogbane 64.132.107.3 wp_id=225193;date=2009-07-24 19:39:28-04:00 And my 7-11 is selling Adbusters. Go figure.]]> 2009-07-24T23:39:28Z cecilrhayduke@gmail.com Cecil Hayduke 72.220.160.146 wp_id=225362;date=2009-07-29 00:34:51-04:00 2009-07-29T04:34:51Z pcvotter@yahoo.com Mike Kraft 72.18.115.72 wp_id=226086;date=2009-08-12 13:57:32-04:00 For those who may not know, Abbey was anything but an 'environmentalist' but more of an anarchist ( in the Libertarian sense as per Bakunin or Kropotkin). I think he would find our use of the word terrorism today interesting in that it is only one more way the powers that be manipulate our perceptions - a terrorist nowadays is anyone who opposes the government outside the electoral process. That is indeed a very wide definition that would seem to include civil disobedience which becomes any citizen's last defense against corruption in power. The ability to resist is getting more and more difficult each day but it is done with subtlety. Abbey warned us that it behooves us all to be vigilant in this respect. We as a society have largely forgotten that. I only hope that the movie will get people reading more of Edward Abbey to get them thinking again rather swallowing the media's pap. Then perhaps we will have an intelligent discussion.]]> 2009-08-12T17:57:32Z dt@idv8.com phil 64.254.229.130 wp_id=226887;date=2009-08-24 22:46:30-04:00 2009-08-25T02:46:30Z goposty@yahoo.com eric 174.51.22.231 wp_id=227512;date=2009-09-04 18:52:58-04:00 Nobody gets hurt. Hayduke sometimes forgets this but is quickly reminded by Doc. Terrorists kill, with no regard for human life. The protagonists are sabateurs (sp), which means property. The other was right about that this should be an indie film.
Hollywood and the corporations condone and keep churning out the violence, but hold such an aversion to state and corporate property damage.
I don't condone it either, but where do the real values lie?
What's more valuable? Life or property?
The fact that this book hasn't been made into a movie in 30 years illustrates the point.
RBH]]> 2009-09-04T22:52:58Z bhuber2000@msn.com Hoodoo Ya Love 76.111.227.234 wp_id=228257;date=2009-09-17 13:57:27-04:00 2009-09-17T17:57:27Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 206.55.180.50 wp_id=231364;date=2009-11-11 12:12:02-05:00
"Oh my desert, yours is the only death I cannot bear." - by Richard Shelton, as Abbey reminded us.]]> 2009-11-11T17:12:02Z cyclearizona@cox.net Cyclearizona 129.176.151.15 wp_id=231876;date=2009-11-23 13:10:07-05:00 I think Dreyfus will do a great job as Sarvis.

Remember, in the book, Hayduke is 25, and Bonnie is 28.
Why are they casting 40-somethings for those roles?!?
Typical Hwood idiocy...

They should get "relative" unknowns for those two roles.
When I read the book, I was picturing John Belushi as Hayduke.
Someone like that would be perfect, but definitely not MM.

Also, I can't see how they are going to morph NM into Utah... CG? There taint nuthin like The Maze er any o' them there other chase scenes anywheres cept in Utah. I'm wondering if they were originally going to film in Utah, and the Mo's gave them the cold shoulder because of the films content, which doesn't mesh well with the dominant cultures "growth for growths sake" mentality.]]> 2009-11-23T18:10:07Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 64.244.87.242 wp_id=224311;date=2009-07-08 09:55:31-04:00 2009-07-08T13:55:31Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=224314;date=2009-07-08 10:19:57-04:00 2009-07-08T14:19:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=224327;date=2009-07-08 13:33:15-04:00 2009-07-08T17:33:15Z helilightenmeup@hotmail.com Trish 75.15.229.159 wp_id=224328;date=2009-07-08 13:45:35-04:00 2009-07-08T17:45:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=224339;date=2009-07-08 18:09:34-04:00 2009-07-08T22:09:34Z helilightenmeup@hotmail.com Trish 75.15.236.49 wp_id=224346;date=2009-07-08 20:02:17-04:00 If you don't like it Joe, you don't have to buy it. But don't worry I'll buy 2 to even things out.]]> 2009-07-09T00:02:17Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steven 192.102.239.195 wp_id=224392;date=2009-07-09 12:16:10-04:00 2009-07-09T16:16:10Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=224402;date=2009-07-09 16:07:11-04:00 You'll have a few to sell at AR09, as well?]]> 2009-07-09T20:07:11Z vegan_monkeywrench@yahoo.com Colin 98.148.48.127 wp_id=224405;date=2009-07-09 16:23:33-04:00 2009-07-09T20:23:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.59.118.49 wp_id=224463;date=2009-07-10 12:38:42-04:00
This was a great video. I liked what you had to say, and it was very inspiring.

One thing that has been bothering me lately, that I wish someone (anyone) would address, is that the animal rights and environmental movements are overwhelmingly white. I didn't go to the Let Live Conference, but what I noticed from seeing all of the attendees that were coming in from out of town and stocking up on vegan junk food at Food Fight!, was that they were all (the ones I saw) white. And that sure does bother me.

And this doesn't stop with the Let Live Conference. Many amazing events, camps and workshops, such as the Trans' and Womyn's Action Camp (TWAC) and the Earth First! Rendezvous catered to a very specific type of person, and it's disconcerting, because these are all things that I believe in very deeply, and it would be amazing to spread these ideas to other, more marginalized communities.

Basically, there are a lot of privileged people in these movements, which is not a judgement in any sense. Even being able to choose what you eat is a privilege (one that I also have), and so I feel that if you have the privilege, you should use it wisely and compassionately. Using privilege as a tool to help further a cause is something that happens sometimes, and there's no shame in it. But the question I want to ask is: how can we spread these ideas to other marginalized communities? How can we incorporate people of color into this kind of important organizing? How about transgendered folks? How can we make them feel welcome? How can we stop preaching to the choir and really start building a revolutionary movement?

If we want these ideas to become prevalent, and if we truly want to transform our world into a more just, more egalitarian one, we can't keep catering to the same bourgeoisie, white privileged vegans. We need to build bridges across other movements, and recognize that they are all connected. There should be no difference between animal, earth, gay and black liberation. Oppression is oppression all the same. We need to show other movements that we ACKNOWLEDGE their oppression as being important and related to our struggle on behalf of the animals and the earth. We can't say that we understand, because - really, is a young white person ever going to understand the oppression an older transgendered Black person has to face? But we need to acknowledge it, embrace it, and make them feel welcome in our communities. We need to do more outreach in working class neighborhoods, put flyers for events in Black-owned businesses, we need to tell homeless people about Food Not Bombs, we need to invite day laborers to vegan potlucks. Because why not?

I just read about "The City From Below" in Baltimore, which was a conference organized by the Red Emma's Coffeehouse, Indypendent Reader, and other grassroots organizers to tackle many things in their communities, including gentrification, public transit, fighting homelessness, and other huge issues. It was very inspiring and I think Portland (and other cities) would be well advised to take after Baltimore and organize something of that sort, because we sure do need it in order to build bridges across our movements, and make sure that ALL are welcome in our communities, and to ensure that the word "community" does not become synonymous with "young, white, punk and privileged."

That being said, this is not a dis on Let Live or its organizers. Many of the organizers are my dearest friends, and people I respect personally and politically. It's also not a dis on white people, punk people, or anyone. I just want us to start thinking outside the box. Many vegans are anarchists, but many more are white liberals who think being vegan is enough. Being vegan is not inherently radical. If you're talking about animal liberation, that's radical, but if you're talking about animal liberation, you should also be talking about worldwide liberation for every oppressed group that exists. None are free until all are free.

If you really want to fight against racism, classism, sexism, homophobia, patriarchy, and all the other nasties, it helps to have a stick of vegan jerky in your hand. But it is not required, and it is not the end.

Also, thanks for mentioning the Red and Black, Portland's oldest worker-owned collectively managed cafe. :)]]> 2009-07-10T16:38:42Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 67.170.180.67 wp_id=224589;date=2009-07-12 19:58:46-04:00
(I guess I'll get my own ice cream.)]]> 2009-07-12T23:58:46Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 99.144.169.120 wp_id=224648;date=2009-07-13 18:28:41-04:00 Grandma will be so proud of you! Great opening talk.]]> 2009-07-13T22:28:41Z mom@anonymous.disqus.net mom 71.91.112.166 wp_id=224697;date=2009-07-14 09:38:01-04:00 2009-07-14T13:38:01Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=224699;date=2009-07-14 10:33:14-04:00
Why do you still troll here?

P.S. Great video Will. I watched it last week. Looking forward to hearing you at AR (even though the session of yours I REALLY wanted to see is at the same time as my session!)]]> 2009-07-14T14:33:14Z outreach@farmusa.org Michael A. Weber 71.178.185.33 wp_id=224700;date=2009-07-14 10:35:41-04:00 2009-07-14T14:35:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=224703;date=2009-07-14 11:59:25-04:00 2009-07-14T15:59:25Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 67.170.180.67 wp_id=224704;date=2009-07-14 12:09:23-04:00 2009-07-14T16:09:23Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=224706;date=2009-07-14 12:55:07-04:00
See if I am right, you live a lifestyle that you like and it works for you. So you think that others should live like you do and if they don't want that lifestyle as their own then you (or others who share your lifestyle) try and force your ways onto us, anyway you can.]]> 2009-07-14T16:55:07Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=224721;date=2009-07-14 19:02:51-04:00
http://www.indybay.org/newsite...]]> 2009-07-14T23:02:51Z aeta4_support@anonymous.disqus.net AETA4 Support 76.254.65.184 wp_id=224722;date=2009-07-14 19:12:21-04:00 We will calm down when the problems are solved. It is essential the we, in the words of the great Gough Whitlam "maintain our rage". If you don't like being called a troll, stop being a troll.

As for letting others live the lifestyle they want. Do you support that for someone who's lifestyle involves rape, theft, slavery, pedophilia; 'cause that what I see and it makes me very, very angry.]]> 2009-07-14T23:12:21Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steven 192.102.239.195 wp_id=224739;date=2009-07-15 02:45:41-04:00 2009-07-15T06:45:41Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 67.170.180.67 wp_id=224763;date=2009-07-15 11:25:26-04:00
l(A)ntz, I see you are onr of those people that needs praise for every little thing they do. I'm sorry I can't give it to you but have you showed this to your mother yet?]]> 2009-07-15T15:25:26Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=224772;date=2009-07-15 15:34:52-04:00 2009-07-15T19:34:52Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 98.246.106.29 wp_id=224776;date=2009-07-15 15:58:48-04:00 2009-07-15T19:58:48Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=224777;date=2009-07-15 15:59:54-04:00 2009-07-15T19:59:54Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=224840;date=2009-07-17 01:18:29-04:00
get a life]]> 2009-07-17T05:18:29Z sxeken@riseup.net ken 76.212.190.193 wp_id=224969;date=2009-07-20 00:53:42-04:00 If you think that things need to be directed towards other groups and that everything is based upon catering to white people then why don't *you* address it? Why are you asking other people instead of taking the initiative yourself? It's easy to criticize the way things are going without going through the effort to make it different and just wait around for someone else to make the change.
And with that, yes, there is white privilege, but to act as if everyone who is white has it grand and has never endured any hardships is bullshit and your comment reeks of that idea to me.]]> 2009-07-20T04:53:42Z jim@anonymous.disqus.net jim 67.61.100.0 wp_id=225123;date=2009-07-23 02:01:19-04:00
Why so defensive?

I find your comment rather presumptuous in a lot of ways. You assume that, because I am asking for a critical analysis of our movements and the way we interact -- or don't interact, as the case may be -- with other communities, that I am not taking initiative. You assume that I am "waiting for someone else to make the change" without knowing me or anything about me, my beliefs, or my activism (which includes a lot of prisoner support, for a lot of white people, by the way). These assumptions couldn't be further from the truth. Check yourself.

Yes, now that I am more conscious of this serious imbalance in our movements, the next time I organize an event, I will attempt to reach out to other communities outside of my own immediate one. However, that doesn't let other people off the hook.

I think you're avoiding the issue, which is pretty typical when someone tries to start a dialogue that no one else wants to participate in, for whatever reasons. I *am* taking steps to remedy the problem, a problem which I consider to be a big among the animal rights and environmental movements, in my own organizing. To think or to say that my sole initiative is all it takes is pretty ridiculous. The first step is to acknowledge it, which no one else seems to want to do. Movements are not exempt from critique. I'm not going to hang on the cross for asking a valid question.

Take the stick out of your ass. Thanks.]]> 2009-07-23T06:01:19Z lantz@anonymous.disqus.net l(A)ntz. 67.170.180.67 wp_id=225221;date=2009-07-25 15:07:11-04:00 http://slingshot.tao.ca/displa...

Second, I think everyone needs to step back and realize that someone who is disinterested would not spend so much time attacking activists like Joe is. In other words, Joe is motivated, makes money from, or perhaps paid by interests which are antagonistic against animal rights and environmental issues.

Third, when we have disagreements with each other, let us try to remember to be careful with each other. We need each other as friends more than we need each as enemies.]]> 2009-07-25T19:07:11Z ithinkjoeisapaidtroll@anonymous.disqus.net IThinkJoeIsAPaidTroll 166.70.140.70 wp_id=225352;date=2009-07-28 21:31:21-04:00 2009-07-29T01:31:21Z arthursmilios@yahoo.com Vegan Socialist 208.120.231.116 wp_id=225577;date=2009-08-03 11:43:06-04:00 2009-08-03T15:43:06Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.101.247.124 wp_id=225797;date=2009-08-07 14:50:38-04:00
It's true - PDX is also a prime example of gentrification and segregation (and a centralized source of vegan community + yummy fewds). Add to that with the fact that many activists hate doing outreach (Vs pressure campaigns).

I think it all starts with communication. Another person and I will be in Gresham this Sunday afternoon, getting started on becoming better at outreach with different groups of people. If you have time, you are free to join us.]]> 2009-08-07T18:50:38Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.84.170 wp_id=225904;date=2009-08-09 13:11:15-04:00
theres a really good article that analyzes some of these issues and i urge you all to take a look at it: http://theanarchistlibrary.org...]]> 2009-08-09T17:11:15Z kevin@anonymous.disqus.net kevin 96.42.44.111 wp_id=225922;date=2009-08-09 22:39:27-04:00
great discussion, nice tazmanian devil tattoos and thanks for the white makeup to freshen up my goth look...

oh shit....security culture....]]> 2009-08-10T02:39:27Z sloth@anonymous.disqus.net sloth 70.15.98.94 wp_id=226476;date=2009-08-17 16:15:28-04:00 I just wanted to say that in the UK there are many people of colour + many other nationalities involved with AR & environmental issues & all against the horrible prejudices of all sorts so it's coming.
Keep campaigning - we will, all the best viv]]> 2009-08-17T20:15:28Z viv@northleigh.co.uk viv from UK 87.115.156.67 wp_id=226560;date=2009-08-18 09:14:43-04:00 It's been awhile since I've seen anything from you on here...so I figured I'd just check to make sure everything's alright.]]> 2009-08-18T13:14:43Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=226800;date=2009-08-22 09:19:37-04:00 http://www.indiancountrytoday....]]> 2009-08-22T13:19:37Z smrobin3@ncsu.edu NomNomNom 72.150.146.48 wp_id=226890;date=2009-08-24 23:51:41-04:00 2009-08-25T03:51:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.2.178 wp_id=226907;date=2009-08-25 12:26:06-04:00
Seriously, good talk.

One way (not original, by any stretch) that our grasroots group (Compassion for Animals) is trying to reach out to a diverse populace is tabling at community events that have a diversity of people, not just in terms of color and ethnicity - though that's important - but also in terms of political and religious views.

For instance, often cities, towns, or neighborhoods have things like "fall festivals;" those may be opportunities to have a registered table in the festival with animal rights and vegan information and to engage in productive discussions with people who stop by the table. The registration fee for these events is usually not too bad.

You can add interest to the table by offering free food samples (if practical and allowed), raffling off a signed vegan cookbook, having a signup sheet to visit (or volunteer at) a nearby farmed animal sanctuary, and so forth. Of course, have your email list signup sheet and contact info there. Some of the people who visit your table may become inspired to start doing activism.

Hope this helps.]]> 2009-08-25T16:26:06Z gary@compassion4animals.org Gary 173.79.134.79 wp_id=226911;date=2009-08-25 13:13:12-04:00 2009-08-25T17:13:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=227010;date=2009-08-27 11:34:10-04:00 2009-08-27T15:34:10Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=226902;date=2009-08-25 09:48:30-04:00 2009-08-25T13:48:30Z drew@vegworcester.com Drew 68.116.170.52 wp_id=226931;date=2009-08-25 17:21:55-04:00 2009-08-25T21:21:55Z jhaskell3@sbcglobal.net tofuatomic 69.209.196.47 wp_id=226936;date=2009-08-25 18:20:45-04:00 2009-08-25T22:20:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=226937;date=2009-08-25 18:22:12-04:00 2009-08-25T22:22:12Z arphilosophy@gmail.com ARphilo 96.235.11.241 wp_id=226982;date=2009-08-26 16:09:31-04:00 2009-08-26T20:09:31Z thegreenentrepreneur@gmail.com jonathan 71.105.106.91 wp_id=227073;date=2009-08-28 14:07:34-04:00 2009-08-28T18:07:34Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 24.211.153.247 wp_id=227004;date=2009-08-27 09:44:40-04:00 2009-08-27T13:44:40Z veganforlife@sbcglobal.net Mark Hawthorne 12.4.26.248 wp_id=227011;date=2009-08-27 11:36:28-04:00 2009-08-27T15:36:28Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=227015;date=2009-08-27 13:54:20-04:00
Thanks for the review. I had heard it wasn't worth reading, but with your endorsement, I'll pick up a copy.]]> 2009-08-27T17:54:20Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=227016;date=2009-08-27 14:10:32-04:00 2009-08-27T18:10:32Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.120 wp_id=227026;date=2009-08-27 17:15:26-04:00 2009-08-27T21:15:26Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=227039;date=2009-08-27 19:35:04-04:00 2009-08-27T23:35:04Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steven 192.102.239.195 wp_id=227041;date=2009-08-27 19:43:33-04:00 2009-08-27T23:43:33Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.39 wp_id=227058;date=2009-08-28 03:22:17-04:00
BTW, it's an interesting question whether or not supporting an author or say give money to COK for pro veg commercials is more important, assuming of course it's an either/or decision.]]> 2009-08-28T07:22:17Z sorry@anonymous.disqus.net Sorry. 63.224.107.9 wp_id=227087;date=2009-08-28 23:44:53-04:00 2009-08-29T03:44:53Z ithinkjoeisapaidtroll@anonymous.disqus.net IThinkJoeIsAPaidTroll 166.70.24.242 wp_id=227088;date=2009-08-29 00:06:23-04:00
and *ahem* speaking of animal rights books, since you're so keen on supporting living authors, i just published what i hope will become the "johnny got his gun" of animal rights. it's available here:

http://www.lulu.com/content/pa...

yes yes shameless plug. i apologize.]]> 2009-08-29T04:06:23Z omgsoy@gmail.com omgsoy true omgsoy 75.61.112.135 wp_id=227174;date=2009-08-31 14:50:58-04:00
I'd like to make it clear that I'm not in favor of terrorizing anyone. That would simply make animal activists appear (more) like the "crazy""bullies" and "terrorists" when it's that is the role of the exploiters themselves. They receive public sympathy and animal activists are labeled terrorists. I'm thinking COINTEL PRO...

THINK PEOPLE!]]> 2009-08-31T18:50:58Z mutual_concepts@yahoo.com L 65.126.30.230 wp_id=227215;date=2009-09-01 12:33:30-04:00
It would be nice if you could keep my statement in the context of the conversation with Joe, but even if you did we'd probably still disagree. Incidentally, my review of the book was the first one on Amazon and you can read a different version of it in which I write that arson is not something I'd personally be comfortable doing by clicking on the link for this post.

Should there be a comma after THINK or is that a new slogan of the anti-animal folks? Too bad Up With People was already taken.]]> 2009-09-01T16:33:30Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.3 wp_id=227227;date=2009-09-01 14:41:42-04:00 you say there is a difference? what is it? please explain.]]> 2009-09-01T18:41:42Z mutual_concepts@yahoo.com L 65.126.30.230 wp_id=227250;date=2009-09-01 18:40:11-04:00 We are not terrorists!!! We are Freedom Fighters, fighting for the freedom of the innocent and voiceless sentient beings.
We're suppose to be their caretakers, not their executioners..Watch what happens in a slaughterhouse, the humans are terrorizing the animals, murdering them. Anyone who disagrees with this is a bully.. Bullies don't belong on this earth.
Whatever it takes.....]]> 2009-09-01T22:40:11Z cheyannieg@aol.com Judith 68.7.232.143 wp_id=227301;date=2009-09-02 08:51:33-04:00 2009-09-02T12:51:33Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 64.61.224.111 wp_id=227311;date=2009-09-02 11:07:59-04:00 "I’m concerned with comments like “every fur farmer deserves to be terrorized”. The ignorance expressed therein is astounding. If we’re going to “terrorize” fur farmers why not “terrorize” everyone who eats animals (99 percent of the population)? Because really, what’s the moral difference between a fur farmer and farmer who raises and kills animals for food or a person who eats animals because they like the taste? There is no significant difference. People really need to check themselves here."
When you say that there is no significant difference between a fur farmer and someone who eats meet I think that you're missing one major difference. The difference is the amount of force needed to stop them versus what you would gain from said force.
According to the Department of Agriculture, in 2008 there were 247 mink farms in the US. That's not a very large number. Do what it takes to convince 247 people that they need to seek out a new way to make a living and it's done. Regardless of whether they "see the error of their ways" or they think they were "put out of business by those damn eco-terrorists", it doesn't matter. 247 people walk away from their line of work and you've DESTROYED the fur industry in North America.
On the other side, convince 247 people to give up meat and you haven't even made the slightest dent in the meat industry. It's a matter of leverage. If you WERE going to use force against the meat industry, you'd have to be a moron to think that the most effective targets would be average meat eating people. The worth while targets would be on the supply end, not on the demand end....the people responsible for raising and killing animals for food.]]> 2009-09-02T15:07:59Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=227353;date=2009-09-02 19:57:27-04:00
Terrorizing someone is not going to convince them. Are you that naive to believe if you shut down one fur farm that the business will not just move to another location? My understanding is that, although fur has very slightly declined over the last couple of years, it is still well above average because of record breaking profits in '07.

And I disagree. You put a dent in animal exploitation by attacking demand for such exploitation, not terrorizing the "exploiters" (anyone who consumes animals).]]> 2009-09-02T23:57:27Z mutual_concepts@yahoo.com L 65.126.30.230 wp_id=227483;date=2009-09-04 11:14:49-04:00 "Are you that naive to believe if you shut down one fur farm that the business will not just move to another location?"
You successfully missed the entire point of my post. I was not talking about closing down ONE fur farm, which obviously would have hardly any effect on the industry. I was responding to your question about why someone would target a fur farmer versus "average guy on the street" type meat eaters...the idea being that since both of them are responsible for the exploitation and killing of animals that they both would warrant the same tactics.
My point was that the ENTIRE mink industry in the US relies on the 247 people who raise mink for a living, and that 247 is not really that large of a number if there were a group of people who were inclined to "get their hands dirty", so to speak.
My point, then, was to say that if your concern was the consumption of meat, and you had limited resources and limited man power (or woman power for that matter) the use of force would more effective if you were to use it against the owners of a factory farm or slaughterhouse than to their millions of individual customers.
At the end of the day, I don't see this as an either/or type situation. Education and vegan outreach are monumentally important, and OF COURSE it is important to use that outreach to lower (and eventually end) the general populations demand for products made from the exploitation of animals. At the same time, there are people who do not respond to reason, and no mater how many conversations we have with them, or pamphlets we give them, or how many time we show them "Earthlings", they are STILL going to see animals as property. and they are still going to raise animals to kill and eat. And they are still going to strap animals to tables and cut them open without anesthesia and implant electrodes in their brains.
Some people desire only money and power. The only way to stop them is to attack their ability to make a profit from the suffering of animals, and if power and force are the only things they respect, I have no sympathy for them when they wind up on the receiving end of what they dish out every day.
This is getting a bit long, so I'm going to end it here. The truth is that no one here is going to change anyone's mind about what they feel are "acceptable" tactics. I just wish that we as a movement would spend more of our energy attacking (the word "attacking" is not used in a violent sense here...I mean everything from leafleting to civil disobedience to militant direct action) the people who are out there killing animals and a little less time and energy attacking each other.]]> 2009-09-04T15:14:49Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=227623;date=2009-09-05 22:53:14-04:00
Think Joe what it would be like to have an electric prod inserted into your anus. Then an electrode attached to your mouth and the power turned on.

You sick stupid fucking whore.]]> 2009-09-06T02:53:14Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 68.49.208.38 wp_id=227724;date=2009-09-07 21:11:12-04:00 2009-09-08T01:11:12Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 207.154.59.124 wp_id=227748;date=2009-09-08 12:21:56-04:00 The irony is that there's another animal rights related blog that I check once or twice a day, and the obvious agent over there claims that he ALSO works in "wildlife management"....Is that the standard story they give you guys in training? I mean seriously, he's a carbon copy of you, but with a different name. Maybe it's a coincidence, who knows?]]> 2009-09-08T16:21:56Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=228291;date=2009-09-18 13:06:40-04:00 Here's my review:
http://diggingthroughthedirt.b...]]> 2009-09-18T17:06:40Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy Habenicht 204.214.192.251 wp_id=227199;date=2009-09-01 10:11:30-04:00 2009-09-01T14:11:30Z matt@anonymous.disqus.net Matt 38.105.231.102 wp_id=227200;date=2009-09-01 10:12:48-04:00
I'm proud to be part of all this.

>(]]> 2009-09-01T14:12:48Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 68.115.164.82 wp_id=227202;date=2009-09-01 10:31:05-04:00
Oh man, I was looking forward to that debate on Animal Voices. It's not happening? Bummer!]]> 2009-09-01T14:31:05Z drew@vegworcester.com Drew 68.116.170.52 wp_id=227203;date=2009-09-01 10:31:50-04:00 2009-09-01T14:31:50Z jevolution@gmail.com Jason 66.92.75.70 wp_id=227204;date=2009-09-01 10:39:00-04:00
That's not what I said. To clarify, my problem is the baseless, scare-mongering accusation that a philosphy professor at a major university is inciting physical violence against people who email him.]]> 2009-09-01T14:39:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=227205;date=2009-09-01 10:56:24-04:00 It's insane to me that we, as a movement, are still so focused on these "My tactics are the only acceptable tactics" discussions. It saddens me that we are the greatest hope for the 10 billion animals who die every year because that means that they truly have no hope.]]> 2009-09-01T14:56:24Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=227206;date=2009-09-01 11:10:21-04:00 animalliberationfront.com the website of the ALF, and proceeds to rant against the ALF for linking to non-vegan celebrities and welfarist groups.

http://www.abolitionistapproac.../

You'd think a professor of law would be able to grasp the concept that an underground group does not have a website, and that that website is run by whoever bought the domain.

It's kind of like if I visited earthliberationfront.org and then wrote a blog post: "OH MY GOD, THE ELF IS SELLING VIAGRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!"]]> 2009-09-01T15:10:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=227209;date=2009-09-01 11:18:38-04:00 2009-09-01T15:18:38Z brbecker83@gmail.com Brandon Becker 24.211.153.247 wp_id=227210;date=2009-09-01 11:19:56-04:00 2009-09-01T15:19:56Z arphilosophy@gmail.com Adrienne 130.49.139.143 wp_id=227211;date=2009-09-01 11:21:20-04:00 2009-09-01T15:21:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=227216;date=2009-09-01 12:39:51-04:00 2009-09-01T16:39:51Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=227219;date=2009-09-01 13:28:47-04:00 2009-09-01T17:28:47Z beforewisdom@gmail.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=227220;date=2009-09-01 13:36:40-04:00 2009-09-01T17:36:40Z beforewisdom@gmail.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=227221;date=2009-09-01 13:53:11-04:00 2009-09-01T17:53:11Z jnmiller@cryptofreak.org Jay 207.109.162.202 wp_id=227222;date=2009-09-01 14:03:40-04:00 This "guilt by association" is really beginning to unravel any kind of unity. And the animals are the only ones to suffer.]]> 2009-09-01T18:03:40Z anon@anonymous.disqus.net anon 71.101.33.108 wp_id=227224;date=2009-09-01 14:22:47-04:00 2009-09-01T18:22:47Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy 204.214.192.251 wp_id=227225;date=2009-09-01 14:31:13-04:00 2009-09-01T18:31:13Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=227226;date=2009-09-01 14:35:10-04:00
http://www.abolitionistapproac.../

Perhaps you didn't read that entry or perhaps it didn't fit into your conclusions here?

Also read the Francione post you link here to see that he does not condone Balluch's detention.

Second, can you actually deny that folks representing (or working in the name of) the ALF have not advocated violence? That would be a complete distortion of the truth. Coronado, Vlasak to name two.

It is not Francione who makes the ALF look like crazy bullying violent extremists, it is people working under the banner of ALF, promoting violence and intimidation tactics, that are doing a great job of that.

Granted, asking someone to de-friend someone else is a bit strange but can you deny that these folks "Mary Xanthos, Karen Challenges, Ward Chanley, Kerri Millam, Holly Donna Balaclava, Gina Maltese, and Camile Marino", etc. have been threatened with violence, by other folks in the animal advocacy movement, because they disagree with violence?

knee jerk much, will?]]> 2009-09-01T18:35:10Z mutual_concepts@yahoo.com L 65.126.30.230 wp_id=227228;date=2009-09-01 14:50:42-04:00 In response to your points:

1. Follow the hyperlink directly embedded in my post to find the Francione article criticizing Balluch after his arrest. In case you are having some trouble doing that, here is the link again:
http://www.abolitionistapproac.../

2. What do Coronado and Vlasak have to do with this? I may be missing something, but Francione is clearly saying that Steve Best is inciting violence against anyone who disagrees with him. Francione is trying to link Best and others to the ALF--which is absurd enough to begin with, but even more absurd considering the ALF itself has never harmed a human being.

3. Please read Francione's message. He is not saying the individuals named above "have been threatened with violence," but that they are somehow tied to violence. You have it completely backwards.

I'm not sure what you mean by saying I "knee jerk," because it seems you are responding without having actually read my post, Francione's blog post on Balluch, or Francione's message.

Best,
Will]]> 2009-09-01T18:50:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=227229;date=2009-09-01 15:26:06-04:00
2) you say "But sweeping, serious allegations of violence, along with naming names and encouraging people to contact law enforcement, only serves to follow in the footsteps of industry groups that have turned activists into the “number one domestic terrorism threat.” You make it seem like calls for firebombing (coronado) and assassinating vivisectors (vlasak) are not actions "that have turned activists into the “number one domestic terrorism threat.” You are irresponsibly and erroneously placing that blame on critics of these kinds of tactics like Francione. That was my point. Sorry if it wasn't clear. And specifically with Best, well, look online and read and watch for yourself and see if he is not inciting violence. I did a simple google search and found that, in fact, he IS inciting violence. "WE ARE AT WAR!" "I WANT THEM TO FEEL THE FEAR" "I WANT THEM HAVING NIGHTMARES, I WANT THEM FEARFUL THAT WE'RE CREEPING INTO THEIR BEDROOMS EVERY MINUTE". (direct quotes)

3) You're right, I had it backwards but my other two points above stand. I am not an experienced journalist with credentials, as you are, so I make mistakes. What's your excuse?

I've always been a huge fan of this blog and your work. I just think you've been a little hasty in making this post, Will.

Best back at you,

L]]> 2009-09-01T19:26:06Z mutual_concepts@yahoo.com L 65.126.30.230 wp_id=227232;date=2009-09-01 15:34:25-04:00 2009-09-01T19:34:25Z beforewisdom@gmail.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=227238;date=2009-09-01 17:16:59-04:00 2009-09-01T21:16:59Z ginag@gmail.com Gina 76.105.172.192 wp_id=227240;date=2009-09-01 17:25:06-04:00
We need to regard such people and ALL people with matter-of-factness rather than to ever, ever idolize them. Not only are they not saints, but they can be even down right petty sometimes too. They ARE ordinary people. They are also ordinary people who sometimes are so lavished with such worship that they sometimes get a little metaphorically "drunk", irresponsible, and even manipulative.

Not only does idolizing figures in the movement risk stealing our own personal initiatives, but it also needlessly risks fostering "divisiveness".

With incidents like this, when any figure tries to draw lines in the sand and force people to stand behind them or against them, I ignore such attempts.

For my allegiance is not with any movement figures, but to the animal rights movement and the nonhuman animals which it seeks to free from human tyranny.

To me, it doesn't need to be more complicated than that.

Period.]]> 2009-09-01T21:25:06Z ithinkjoeisapaidtroll@anonymous.disqus.net IThinkJoeIsAPaidTroll 166.70.140.70 wp_id=227251;date=2009-09-01 18:40:24-04:00 2009-09-01T22:40:24Z saraemmurphy@yahoo.com SM 65.163.232.101 wp_id=227252;date=2009-09-01 18:46:33-04:00 - He's not all that bright
- He makes a few good points (and a lot of bad ones)
- He's a little nutty, but so are all the leaders in our movement
- He is probably a net good for the movement since he represents a group of people who think the only and best action to take to help animals is "non-violent vegan education," which really isn't all that bad]]> 2009-09-01T22:46:33Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=227259;date=2009-09-01 19:51:41-04:00
i will quote gary. i will allude to gary. i will shower gary. with praise. you will be most crush-ed by this!

you will pay will potter. you will be up all night having to approve comments that will have the effect of non-violently crushing your little website and haircut into dust!

i will be back, soulgrynde, and i will not be alone. get ready for the non-violent firestorm!]]> 2009-09-01T23:51:41Z the_flabolitionist@anonymous.disqus.net the flabolitionist 24.21.68.60 wp_id=227265;date=2009-09-01 21:09:12-04:00 I'm also wondering how long it will take someone to say I'm in "Francione's cult" just for not agreeing with everyone here.]]> 2009-09-02T01:09:12Z mutual_concepts@yahoo.com L 65.126.30.230 wp_id=227272;date=2009-09-01 22:45:48-04:00
Nooooooooooooo! Street by street, blog by blog...]]> 2009-09-02T02:45:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.247.53.248 wp_id=227279;date=2009-09-02 00:25:39-04:00
Argument is the fail.]]> 2009-09-02T04:25:39Z abo@gmail.com Abolicousness 24.21.199.145 wp_id=227280;date=2009-09-02 00:30:06-04:00
So we got that going for us. . . which is nice.]]> 2009-09-02T04:30:06Z haymarketsquare@gmail.com j m 71.236.230.215 wp_id=227282;date=2009-09-02 01:03:07-04:00 2009-09-02T05:03:07Z ithinkjoeisapaidtroll@anonymous.disqus.net IThinkJoeIsAPaidTroll 166.70.54.115 wp_id=227283;date=2009-09-02 02:07:49-04:00
i assure you that you are getting off far easier than people who dare to disagree with francione or that fraud bob torres. i doubt Will is going to ban you from his website like they do.]]> 2009-09-02T06:07:49Z flabolitionist@anonymous.disqus.net flabolitionist 24.21.200.202 wp_id=227296;date=2009-09-02 07:00:15-04:00 2009-09-02T11:00:15Z sarahxvx@gmail.com sarah 72.224.48.192 wp_id=227297;date=2009-09-02 07:14:21-04:00
I have read both Francione and Best (though not all of the latter) and agree and disagree with both. But here's the difference, in my experience: You're allowed to disagree with Steve Best. It's good news because it means you're thinking.

And that's why I found the reference to Best in connection with threats against animal rights activists very suspect. It doesn't make sense; he doesn't operate that way. It's sad to think that AR activists might be responsible for the persecution and even prosecution of other AR activists, when billions and billions of animals are enslaved and dying.]]> 2009-09-02T11:14:21Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 66.167.17.148 wp_id=227298;date=2009-09-02 08:20:12-04:00
#32 So we got that going for us. . . which is nice.
Bringing Carl Spackler (of Caddyshack) to greenisthenewred--well done!]]> 2009-09-02T12:20:12Z mm@animalperson.net mary martin 66.167.17.148 wp_id=227299;date=2009-09-02 08:36:15-04:00
(1) Steve Best and his Mob have definitely upped the rhetoric to where I'd be worried about my physical safety. There's a difference between disagreement and imploring your Mob to go out and physically threaten people. Steve Best is starting to remind me of Randall Terry, not a professor.

(2) "but because of a Facebook group that promotes ideas he disagrees with." Yeah, ideas like committing violent acts (not property damage, actual physical violence) against non-vegans. What a responsible group to tie your horse to, Will, in an attempt to portray vegans, both DA-supporters and non-supporters, as rational people.

(3) Inb4 "divisiveness" "Franciombe" "cult" accusations of GF's "followers" saying mean things about all the little martyrs commenting about how "Gary's so MEANNNN!!!"

And to both sides: grow up. For christ's sake, this isn't high school, this is supposed to be an intelligent debate.]]> 2009-09-02T12:36:15Z rl@anonymous.disqus.net RL 76.111.167.126 wp_id=227300;date=2009-09-02 08:42:14-04:00
Yes I have read his books and I am sure many others have. The problem is that he does not say anything meaningfully new in them. His last book I had to rush through because now he is also only repeating his old slogans over and over again the way a frog repeats "ribid." In the light of this, it is nauseating to see how egotistically he guards "his intellectual property" as he did in his vicious character assassination of Joan Dunayer.

But all this aside -- there is plenty of other rubbish collecting dust on the bookshelves -- my real problem with Franceone is that he is playing a strategist. With his blind followers he is becoming counter productive and harmful to the movement and this means that he is harming non human animals. This is where I draw the line and put him on the enemy side along with Richard Berman of CCF and other oppressive forces. This last incident has sealed it it for me.]]> 2009-09-02T12:42:14Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227302;date=2009-09-02 08:57:10-04:00
Do you realize that by attempting to "tie my horse" to any of these groups--which I clearly have not done, in any way--you are doing the exact same thing I wrote this post about?]]> 2009-09-02T12:57:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=227303;date=2009-09-02 09:07:09-04:00 2009-09-02T13:07:09Z rl@anonymous.disqus.net RL 76.111.167.126 wp_id=227306;date=2009-09-02 09:30:03-04:00
As one of those who has been named by Francione I would like to thank Will for speaking out against such absurdity. I have only just found out that I have been named as one of these supposed "violent terrorists" or whatever Francione wishes to term me. I'm not surprised in the least given the little communication I have had from this man. Yes, I have attempted to debate with him over his foundationless ideals concerning non-violence but I was either ignored or treated as if I were insane. My primary problem with Francione is that he appears to be approaching animal rights as if it were a religious argument. I have already explained to many people that Jainism is not a vegan religioun but a vegetarian one and it does appear to me that Francione is attempting to create a cult version of an ancient vegetarian religion at the expense of the abolitionists.

To be quite honest, I really don't care if he runs to the FBI because I've challeneged his theological ideals. I am not a violent person but neither am I a pacifist. I agree with direct action to save the lives of the voiceless non-human animals. If a person believes that a building or a lock can feel more pain than a rat with an electrode in its brain or a beagle with it's fur burnt to sinders or a cow forced to remain pregnant in order to offer up her milk to line the stomachs of the greedy and the apathetic then I suggest you book yourself in for a pyschological evaluation and get yourself certified.

Animals are suffering now! Do we wish to wait until the political system accepts the aniaml rights methodology (which is years, decades, even centuries in the future) so that we may act inside the law or do we wish to bend those laws in order to save those who are suffering now?? If this were Nazi Germany, would you not recuse those in concentration camps?

If you value bricks, locks and windows more than you do a beating heart and a soul then you are not anything to do with animal rights, you are in fact nothing more than a neo-Nazi. Francione is breeding contempt in an already splintered animal rights movement. Why you may ask yourself would he do this? Because he is an infiltrator, of the worst kind, he's in it to make a name for himself and create his little cult.

Animal rights activists must stand united in the face of adversity, we must band together and dispel false rumours and scaremongering. People like Francione, Langley, Lyons, Singer etc etc etc are all people who have infiltrated the animal rights movement and come very close to bringing it to its knees. Now is the time to stand united against them, as a movement which should no longer be splintered and to bring about what we want for the voiceless - total abolition of animal exploitation!!

Francione and other infiltrators want attention so as to divert you away from what's really going on. Take a look around you - exploitation is getting worse! More animals are being killed for food, more animals are being killed in vivisection laboratories, more animals are being killed and abused for so called entertainment and the list goes on and on and on. Ignore Francione, he'll go away in the end (just like a bad smell). If people are so dumn that they are taken in by his theology then they are no loss to us. They would not have brought about change, only hindered it. Francione is one of the many who will burn out in their own time. Our fight is now, it is for abolition not trading pot shots across the internet. Get out there, demo, speak, bring about change! The animals have only us, we cannot let them down!!!]]> 2009-09-02T13:30:03Z kitten.in.love25@googlemail.com Donna Balaclava 149.254.51.64 wp_id=227310;date=2009-09-02 11:02:56-04:00 2009-09-02T15:02:56Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 170.63.96.108 wp_id=227318;date=2009-09-02 13:13:01-04:00 2009-09-02T17:13:01Z epskianon@gmail.com Epsom Salts 74.104.37.187 wp_id=227319;date=2009-09-02 14:06:23-04:00
No one knows the net benefit of the ALF's work. No one knows the net benefit of Francione's work. Get on with stopping animal exploitation in the way you think is best and stop with feeding the trolls.]]> 2009-09-02T18:06:23Z jnmiller@cryptofreak.org Jay 207.109.162.202 wp_id=227321;date=2009-09-02 14:11:14-04:00
If you value bricks, locks and windows more than you do a beating heart and a soul then you are not anything to do with animal rights, you are in fact nothing more than a neo-Nazi. Francione is breeding contempt in an already splintered animal rights movement.

Whoah there. While I think we're on the same page re: direct action, in comparing pacifist animal advocates to Neo-Nazis, you're essentially doing the same thing you (rightfully) accuse Francione of doing: "breeding contempt in an already splintered animal rights movement." Those who disagree with Best et. al. are no more Neo-Nazis than critics of Francione are terrorists.

Critical self-reflection and practical/philosophical discussions are good for the movement - personally, I think we need more of these, not less - but can we take the rhetoric down a notch already?

@ Will - Thanks for this. Here's to more voices of sanity, and less blind hero worship.]]> 2009-09-02T18:11:14Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 207.119.197.51 wp_id=227322;date=2009-09-02 14:48:19-04:00 2009-09-02T18:48:19Z kelly.garbato@gmail.com kelly g. 207.119.197.51 wp_id=227327;date=2009-09-02 15:42:21-04:00 2009-09-02T19:42:21Z rl@anonymous.disqus.net RL 76.111.167.126 wp_id=227328;date=2009-09-02 15:52:07-04:00
No, I'm not going to edit my work simply because you do not agree. However, if there is a link to an alternative account of all of this by Francione or one of his supporters, by all means please post it. I would be willing to add a hyperlink in my blog post directly after the link you mention above.]]> 2009-09-02T19:52:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=227333;date=2009-09-02 16:04:31-04:00 From what I understand, Gary has pretty much thrown his hands up and walked away from this considering the behavior of Best and his minions. If I had a link, I'd give it to you. All I know is what I've been told by "Franciombes" and the behavior I've seen from Best, Camille, and their 101st Keyboad Brigade of TOTAL LIBERATION!!!11

Towards you personally, what I'm objecting to is your posting an INCREDIBLY biased and distorted account of what happened (take a look at this Camille's blog, and see if she has any credibility whatsoever, nevermind the daily temper tantrum Best has been throwing on his myspace blog) in an attempt to malign Gary Francione without any mention that your only source for this is certifiably insane. If you have disagreements with Gary's philosophy, great, but distorting what he (or in this case, someone who associates with him) actually said in an attempt to make some larger point (and I still have no idea what that point would be) is either intentionally dishonest or just plain lazy on your part.

These were not underground activists he "outed", these were 101st Keyboard Warriors and associates of a Steve Best and Camille, who openly advocates ACTUAL violence, not just property damage, against nonvegans. I have no idea if any threats were actually made, but considering the Operation Rescue-esque nature of Camille's blog, I wouldn't doubt that one her equally unhinged followers went that far. Telling people to report posts like that is not "traitorous" or "McCarthyesque" as Best has claimed, it's a common sense reaction to apparent threats of physical violence.

Whether you like it or not, by posting this out of the blue on nothing more than Camille's word, you have picked a side. Your blog is being quoted far and wide by Best and his minions as proof that Gary is a fed or traitorous, or whatever other hysterical crap they'll probably soon come up with. If that wasn't your intention, maybe you should've put a little more thought into posting this.]]> 2009-09-02T20:04:31Z rl@anonymous.disqus.net RL 76.111.167.126 wp_id=227337;date=2009-09-02 16:20:39-04:00
Wow. How in the world are you this outraged when you, as you say above, "have no idea if any threats were actually made"?

As far as linking to that blog, it was only that, a LINK. And it was a link not because I agree with anything on the blog, but because it is relevant to the issue and there are few other items to link to. (Which is why I asked you to post one, and I'd be happy to add it). It doesn't mean that link was my only source--In fact, I don't quote from that blog, but I DO quote the entire text of the message from Francione.

The most troubling aspect of all of your comments, to me, is that this somehow is all about an attempt to "malign Gary Francione" and that I don't agree with his philosophy. I'm sorry, but where are you getting this stuff from? Have I said a single thing about the man's work, or what I believe, outside of being critical of this scare-mongering? Or is this just another example of the "with us or against us" mentality of the War on Terrorism? I'm afraid it is the latter, and you continue to exemplify all the reactionary, guilt-by-association politics that I wrote this post about.]]> 2009-09-02T20:20:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=227338;date=2009-09-02 16:22:34-04:00 32 j m
I know I’m late getting in on this discussion, but there’s some solace to take in the similarity to other movements.

I think too many vegans rely on that kind of thinking. I wonder if the people in *those* movements made those comparisons? So far those movements have had one think veganism has lacked: significant success penetrating the mainstream.]]> 2009-09-02T20:22:34Z beforewisdom@gmail.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=227339;date=2009-09-02 16:30:42-04:00
Don't read their stuff anymore.

Take 1/4 of the time we spend discussing or writing about them and go pass out vegan educational literature on the streets. Go do something even more fun with the rest of the time.

Watch the numbers of new vegans go up while you irritation level goes down.]]> 2009-09-02T20:30:42Z beforewisdom@gmail.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=227340;date=2009-09-02 16:57:35-04:00 "Wow. How in the world are you this outraged when you, as you say above, “have no idea if any threats were actually made”? "

I'm not particularly outraged, I promise I talk like this all the time. And I'm not even bothered specifically about alleged threats, I'm bothered by the fact that what could have been an interesting debate is being derailed into personal pettiness. I'm also bothered by the fact that so many people are taking the ravings of Camille seriously, kind of like how teabagger rallies bother me.

As far as linking to that blog, it was only that, a LINK. And it was a link not because I agree with anything on the blog, but because it is relevant to the issue and there are few other items to link to. (Which is why I asked you to post one, and I’d be happy to add it). It doesn’t mean that link was my only source–In fact, I don’t quote from that blog, but I DO quote the entire text of the message from Francione.

You have a reputation for being objective and unbiased, whether deserved or not. Because of this, the casual observer will click that link and walk away thinking that Will Potter told them exactly what happened. You may not have intended it, but the Best/Camille crowd is using your post in an attempt to justify the deranged public temper tantrum they've been having ever since this debate fiasco started. I've simply tried to expand on what actually happened and how both Camille's, Steven Best's, and now your interpretations of what happened are wrong. I hope that I've done that, and if not, I'd be happy to clarify.

The most troubling aspect of all of your comments, to me, is that this somehow is all about an attempt to “malign Gary Francione” and that I don’t agree with his philosophy. I’m sorry, but where are you getting this stuff from? Have I said a single thing about the man’s work, or what I believe, outside of being critical of this scare-mongering? Or is this just another example of the “with us or against us” mentality of the War on Terrorism? I’m afraid it is the latter, and you continue to exemplify all the reactionary, guilt-by-association politics that I wrote this post about.

I didn't say that you set out to malign Francione, I said that you made a post maligning him without having the whole story. As I said, I don't care if all sides want to snipe at each other regarding ideology, it's the personal stuff that it's devolved into that annoys me.

Or is this just another example of the “with us or against us” mentality of the War on Terrorism? I’m afraid it is the latter, and you continue to exemplify all the reactionary, guilt-by-association politics that I wrote this post about.

You don't win an argument by ascribing completely made-up motives to someone; that's called constructing a strawman. It's juvenile, for starters, and not particularly useful when debating ideas. Unless you want to just sit here and call each other nazis all day, that is.

This is just my opinion, but all I would ask is that, because of the stature you hold, you either stay out of the fray or at least do some research before you start chiding Gary Francione for being a fed or whatever. I attempted to provide some balance in the comments section. As I said, I think I've done that, but it's fairly disappointing that someone whose blog I respected as unbiased and objective would do write something as sloppy as this blog post.]]> 2009-09-02T20:57:35Z rl@anonymous.disqus.net RL 76.111.167.126 wp_id=227343;date=2009-09-02 17:32:26-04:00
"Whoah there. While I think we’re on the same page re: direct action, in comparing pacifist animal advocates to Neo-Nazis, you’re essentially doing the same thing you (rightfully) accuse Francione of doing: “breeding contempt in an already splintered animal rights movement.” Those who disagree with Best et. al. are no more Neo-Nazis than critics of Francione are terrorists.

Critical self-reflection and practical/philosophical discussions are good for the movement – personally, I think we need more of these, not less – but can we take the rhetoric down a notch already?"


My use of the Neo-Nazi comparison was merely meant to emphasise the obsessive nature which has been seen so often regarding the choice made to save a brick than to save a life. What I was trying to get at by using the Holocaust analogy was that millions, even billions, of sentient animals are being murdered in this world and those who are prepared to stand back and bicker over theological boundaries and the meaning of the word "terrorist" are doing nothing more than the Nazis and their followers did in the Holocaust. There are so many comparisons that can be made between people like Francione and what happened in the 1930s and 1940s, that it's scary. Perhaps neo-Nazis is a little strong but their philosophy is worryingly similar.

I have often asked people why it was that when the Nazis were transporting people to the concentration camps on those trains, nobody ever stopped those trains and saved those people even though it could have (in theory) been done. The answer, because everybody had accepted the status quo and believed they could do nothing. This is exactly the same thing we are seeing with Francione. He wants people to believe that there is nothing they can do to save the non-human animals which are dieing right now. He wants you to beleive that no matter what action you commit, it will be worthless. If that isn't the ideology of an infiltrator and a mad man, then I don't know what is.

Francione consistently goes out of his way to denounce direct action and those who risk their own freedom to save the lives of non-human animals being exploited all over the world right now. Have any of you stopped for a second and asked yourself why? Why would a man preporting to care about the rights of animals denounce the one and only tactic which has worked consistently to free animals and to close down places of exploitation for over 100 years? Can't you see the answer? Because these tactics work!! It's all too easy to cripple a movement if you remove it's most important factors. Those who believe in direct action are not violent nutters, they just happen to be people who aren't pacifists but have far more compassion in their hearts than any of Francione's cult members ever will.

Matching the ideology of the Nazis and their supporters to the theology (which is what it is, lets face facts here) of Francione and his followers, there are worrying similarities. We must also face the fact that Francione is an infiltrator of the movement and that is why he is attacking people like Steve Best and Camille. There is a holocaust going on, non-human animals are being murdered and Francione will NEVER do anything about it.

Most of my time, I spend on scientific refutals of pro-vivisectionist claims and I would much rather be doing that and educating people than having to argue about some prat who thinks himself the second coming (Buddhist style). This is what he wants, different factions of the animal rights movement arguing and debating whilst he can sit back and admire what a wonderful job he's done of splintering the movement a little bit further. Don't let him. Just ignore him. I'd rather not have to post on here and do something actually constructive with my time which is why I had been ignoring Francione recently until his minion named me on their little "hit list" for no apparent reason. Don't give the jerk the satisfaction of reading all your comments and thinking how wonderful he is - get out there and do something to really make a difference!]]> 2009-09-02T21:32:26Z kitten.in.love25@googlemail.com Donna Balaclava 149.254.51.64 wp_id=227347;date=2009-09-02 18:45:07-04:00 Why would a man preporting to care about the rights of animals denounce the one and only tactic which has worked consistently to free animals and to close down places of exploitation for over 100 years? Can’t you see the answer? Because these tactics work!!

Right, that's why animal exploitation has risen exponentially in the past 100 years. Because "these tactics work." Gotcha.

One thing I've always wondered about you brave soldiers in the 101st Keyboard Brigade of Total Liberation: why will all of you will attack someone who breaks the Vegan Golden Rule and actually criticizes the actions of the ALF, yet you're so busy posting on your blogs and facebook and myspace and twitter about the need for "NO COMPROMISE!!!" and "TOTAL LIBERATION!!!" that you aren't actually out there committing direct action? Is it because you're a bunch of chest-thumping macho blowhards who want to influence others to do your dirty work? Nah, that can't be it...]]> 2009-09-02T22:45:07Z rl@anonymous.disqus.net RL 76.111.167.126 wp_id=227349;date=2009-09-02 19:23:19-04:00
i actually have a life and have to step away from the computer from time to time. perhaps you are more privileged than me in that regard and can just reply at a second's notice. i can not. sorry.
but thanks for letting me "get off" easily. no matter what you let me do (get off?) i'm not trying to "win" (by not throwing in the towell) but just correct someone who should know better (will).
actually if you read my first two posts i made it clear that will made erroneous statements that no respectable journalist should be allowed to get away with unchecked. did anyone read the francione link he posted? it was not AT ALL what will said it was. not at all. will, you have not retracted your statement. then he (you, will) blames critics of folks that promote violence, instead of those that actually incite violence, for being responsible for turning "activists into the “number one domestic terrorism threat.”
it's interesting that someone cannot just find francione's point of view valid, and disagree with will, without being in a cult or a franciombe or unable to think for themselves or just becoming the brunt end of some idiotic name calling and petulant taunting. talk about a cult? just don't drink the kool-aid, kids!
at the end of will's original post he asked "what do you think?" it's a shame that many here cannot handle what others' think if that is in contrast to what they think.]]> 2009-09-02T23:23:19Z mutual_concepts@yahoo.com L 65.126.30.230 wp_id=227351;date=2009-09-02 19:33:24-04:00
"He wants people to believe that there is nothing they can do to save the non-human animals which are dieing right now. He wants you to beleive that no matter what action you commit, it will be worthless. If that isn’t the ideology of an infiltrator and a mad man, then I don’t know what is."

You either have not read Francione or you are ignorant to what you have read. He promotes veganism, and educating people about veganism, as the way to save non-humans. You don't agree with that... Fine. but it certainly is not "nothing" and definitely not worthless. In fact, I would call it direct action. Some of us reject violence as a theoretical and practical matter. How does replicating the dominant structure of violence and domination solve anything. It certainly is not revolutionary to use the same identical tactics as the oppressor.

I don't know where you're getting your info from. When has the direct action you speak of and advocate actually worked? were the animals "saved" not instantly replaced? How many animals are being used for human purposes this year? more than ever! You call that working? Not me. That kind of action does more for the ego of the human participant (from my experience these folks are mainly upper middle class privileged suburban white kids) than for the animals involved.]]> 2009-09-02T23:33:24Z mutual_concepts@yahoo.com L 65.126.30.230 wp_id=227356;date=2009-09-02 20:58:37-04:00 2009-09-03T00:58:37Z mutual_concepts@yahoo.com L 65.126.30.230 wp_id=227359;date=2009-09-02 21:31:38-04:00 2009-09-03T01:31:38Z the_flabolitionist@anonymous.disqus.net the flabolitionist 24.21.68.60 wp_id=227362;date=2009-09-02 22:22:11-04:00 2009-09-03T02:22:11Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 207.154.59.124 wp_id=227363;date=2009-09-02 23:20:24-04:00
Yes, Francione *generally* promotes veganism. When or if he gets back to that, some of this will be put to rest.

As of right NOW, given that I've never made threats against ANYONE, Francione owes me an apology.

I'll give him this: he was careful to keep it to implications and innuendo (he's a law professor, after all; he understands what constitutes actionable slander - but given that, it makes the whole thing seem just that much more calculated, really).

The thing that's so disappointing personally is that I've had a handful of friendly, polite interactions with Francione, on Facebook and elsewhere. I'm also generally out in AR circles as a pacifist. Francione is well aware of this.

That he decided to do this *anyway* is telling.

I've lost any respect I once had for him.]]> 2009-09-03T03:20:24Z babble777@gmail.com Ward Chanley 98.150.56.31 wp_id=227366;date=2009-09-03 01:46:06-04:00 2009-09-03T05:46:06Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227368;date=2009-09-03 03:23:19-04:00 Again (and how many times must it be uttered on here really?) there have never been any human-animal related deaths in the AR or ER movements. ) Yet real fanatical "activists" are busy blowing up governmental buildings, racism-motivated killings or shootings of women's reproductive health care providers!
Both MLK Jr. and Candy knew full well, that their causes could not progress without the use of some violence.
But AGAIN, what 'violence' has ever occurred? Breaking glass, metal, locks, doors, etc. does not make it violence.
I am however, all for furriers getting anally electrocuted, for hunters being mauled, for vivisectionists to undergo the Draise Eye test (or eye coils), and throw the whalers to the sharks!
Yes I'm mad, and I'm doing something directly about it.]]> 2009-09-03T07:23:19Z josephcox1@cox.net Docs 206.53.157.84 wp_id=227388;date=2009-09-03 06:18:11-04:00 2009-09-03T10:18:11Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 120.16.202.240 wp_id=227398;date=2009-09-03 09:18:23-04:00 Yes I’m mad, and I’m doing something directly about it.

Yeah, surrrre you are.]]> 2009-09-03T13:18:23Z rl@anonymous.disqus.net RL 76.111.167.126 wp_id=227403;date=2009-09-03 11:03:30-04:00
We live in a "Matrix" so I call it. Many just go on with their lives and look the other way. Once you realize that animals are not "things" or "property" you may think differently.

Paul Watson is a warrior for marine life just as SHAC is for the animals inside HLS. SHAC will prevail in closing HLS, it's just a matter of time. As will Paul Watson stop the "illegal" whaling in antarctic waters. It's funny..the japanese whalers are allowed to kill whales under the guise of "science". The animal exploiters are the ones who LIE, to protect their profits!!!. I suggest you watch the documentary "Earthlings" so you can wake up and live in the real world.]]> 2009-09-03T15:03:30Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 170.63.96.108 wp_id=227414;date=2009-09-03 14:35:41-04:00
I wasn't aware of that. That is awesome to know.]]> 2009-09-03T18:35:41Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 68.115.164.82 wp_id=227415;date=2009-09-03 14:54:53-04:00
What?! Francione has criticized the positions of people with whom he disagrees?! Unbelievable, Will! We can't stand for it!


"But sweeping, serious allegations of violence, along with naming names and encouraging people to contact law enforcement, only serves to follow in the footsteps of industry groups that have turned activists into the “number one domestic terrorism threat.""

1. I think you misunderstand what "sweeping" means.
2. Naming names of people who *publicly* administrate a blog that promotes violence is hardly condemnatory.
3. And, encouraging people to contact law enforcement if they feel threatened seems like prudent advice.

Really, what has Gary done that's so wrong? I mean, if he's lying about having received those messages, sure, that's wrong, but what reason do we have to believe him to be lying?]]> 2009-09-03T18:54:53Z jevolution@gmail.com Jason 66.92.75.50 wp_id=227416;date=2009-09-03 14:55:55-04:00
"Want to know how to really sock it to the pretentious, petty, judgmental, bickering vegan authors and academics? Don’t read their stuff anymore. Take 1/4 of the time we spend discussing or writing about them and go pass out vegan educational literature on the streets. Go do something even more fun with the rest of the time. Watch the numbers of new vegans go up while you irritation level goes down."

Amen. And Amen.

Like beforewisdom, I don't take solace that similar infighting has occured in other social movements.

I only take solace whenever we demonstrate that we are *learning* from the lessons by the mistakes of other present and past social movements.

Some of us are doing that right now, many more of us can *start* doing that right now. Are you those in question up to it? I have more faith of the rest of us being up to it than "movement academia" being up to it.

I could be wrong. And I would be happy to be wrong on that.]]> 2009-09-03T18:55:55Z excusemepeople@anonymous.disqus.net ExcuseMePeople 163.192.12.177 wp_id=227417;date=2009-09-03 14:57:47-04:00 "Want to know how to really sock it to the pretentious, petty, judgmental, bickering vegan authors and academics?

Don’t read their stuff anymore.

Take 1/4 of the time we spend discussing or writing about them and go pass out vegan educational literature on the streets. Go do something even more fun with the rest of the time."

Right on - thank you.]]> 2009-09-03T18:57:47Z saraemmurphy@yahoo.com SM 65.163.232.101 wp_id=227418;date=2009-09-03 14:58:37-04:00 2009-09-03T18:58:37Z jevolution@gmail.com Jason 66.92.75.50 wp_id=227419;date=2009-09-03 15:15:42-04:00 2009-09-03T19:15:42Z jevolution@gmail.com Jason 66.92.75.50 wp_id=227422;date=2009-09-03 16:01:05-04:00
then let us meet up won't you, preferably down around So. California because I don't like driving much.]]> 2009-09-03T20:01:05Z josephcox1@cox.net Docs 70.182.194.130 wp_id=227426;date=2009-09-03 17:58:56-04:00 Thanks for the props.

You would never know it by the way my writing has deteriorated, but I was in graduate school once many years ago. I respect academia, professors and authors.

I find that almost every time I go out in the streets to pass out leaflets I have to push myself for the first 15 minutes until I feel comfortable.

I think academics and writers tend to be introverts who are even more frightened by facing the general public. Among the "usual suspects" in vegan blogosphere pissing contests, especially among those tossing around sesquipedalianisms to impress, you will find very few people who make more than token efforts at doing things for animals other than writing. It just frightens them too much ( it still frightens me ) and they don't have the strength of conviction in their cause to face up to it.

In the meantime, bickering on the internet with big words can be as addictive as crack. It is cheap and it is entertaining.

The thing is, it doesn't matter to any of us. Once you push your chair away from your computer all of this vanishes. You can go outside and help spread veganism. You will still get other vegans to gladly help you. Life goes on.

It takes less time too. I have been amazed by how many pamphlets I can pass out in just one hour in a busy urban spot. A will written email/blog rejoinder takes about 20 min.
Isn't that a crime?

We don't need these people. If we admit that we like the lunch time entertainment and just stop paying attention to them they will cease to matter.]]> 2009-09-03T21:58:56Z beforewisdom@gmail.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=227427;date=2009-09-03 18:03:51-04:00
Before you mess with me, I'll have you know I'm 6'5, 210 lbs, and an ex-Green Beret. Or not. I could be lying.]]> 2009-09-03T22:03:51Z rl@anonymous.disqus.net RL 76.111.167.126 wp_id=227428;date=2009-09-03 18:12:36-04:00 "Really, what has Gary done that’s so wrong? I mean, if he’s lying about having received those messages, sure, that’s wrong, but what reason do we have to believe him to be lying?"

He's either lying, or he's far too willing to listen to people who ARE lying. He's spoken to me PERSONALLY a number of times, offering to put a link to my personal website on abolitionistapproach; if I'm one of the folks he's now implying is making death threats, if I'm "pro-violence" he's either a) a ridiculously bad judge of character, or b) I'm a much better actor than anybody's ever given me credit for.

If the better possibility is a) isn't it much MUCH more likely that he's taking this "death threat" claim at face value without a shred of evidence, and running around shooting his mouth off as a result?

If THAT'S the case, why *shouldn't* those of us he's running his mouth off ABOUT - given that he's none-too-subtly encouraged turning us IN - raise an objection to what he's doing?

This is coming from an (apparently) respected Columbia law professor? Is the concept of "assuming facts not in evidence" no longer being taught at Columbia law?

How about basic decency, and talking his personal issues with OTHER folks *with* those folks, instead of playing BS guilt-by-association games? Honestly, it looks like he didn't want to debate Best, couldn't find a way to weasel out of it and still save face, and so he's doing this. Why should we respect that kind of behavior? Because he's published several books and is regarded as a movement figure of some note? Why should that give him a free pass to behave like a spoiled brat when it suits him?]]> 2009-09-03T22:12:36Z babble777@gmail.com Ward Chanley 75.25.106.56 wp_id=227429;date=2009-09-03 18:17:25-04:00
The man is playing fast and loose with the facts, and is making calculated claims that skirt the legal edge of slander. He didn't directly CLAIM any of US were the culprits in these supposed "death threats"; he's just juxtaposing us WITH that claim, and letting his uncritical following make those connections for him. It's entirely intentional, and the Francione-defending contingent here is being silly to expect anyone to pretend otherwise.

Why should that be given a pass?]]> 2009-09-03T22:17:25Z babble777@gmail.com Ward Chanley 75.25.106.56 wp_id=227431;date=2009-09-03 18:30:08-04:00
As much as I agree with a couple points that Gary makes regarding animal rights, I have to say that it Gary lacks a basic understanding of the Animal Liberation Front if he is accusing the ALF of making threats of bodily or physical violence.

After all, the ALF's basic guidelines include and have always included not bodily harming humans.

Having said that, I think basicwisdom makes the best point about these "academics" and this and like messes, ignore them and their petty infighting at each other's egos, and re-invest that time into vegan outreach instead. This does the animals better than "winning" any of these pointless, meaningless squabbling.]]> 2009-09-03T22:30:08Z ithinkjoeisapaidtroll@anonymous.disqus.net IThinkJoeIsAPaidTroll 98.202.223.219 wp_id=227476;date=2009-09-04 09:36:12-04:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...
http://www.southendpress.org/2...

these francionites are like derrick jensenites.

they are pre-cult and flip their lids anytime someone criticizes their glorious leader.]]> 2009-09-04T13:36:12Z xveganx@anonymous.disqus.net xveganx 76.15.8.141 wp_id=227478;date=2009-09-04 09:47:15-04:00 http://www.animalliberationfro...]]> 2009-09-04T13:47:15Z xveganx@anonymous.disqus.net xveganx 76.15.8.141 wp_id=227479;date=2009-09-04 09:59:30-04:00
(@ 56) 'Right, that’s why animal exploitation has risen exponentially in the past 100 years. Because “these tactics work.” Gotcha.'

(@ 58) "How many animals are being used for human purposes this year? more than ever! You call that working? Not me. That kind of action does more for the ego of the human participant (from my experience these folks are mainly upper middle class privileged suburban white kids) than for the animals involved."

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Yes right, yogis have been preaching ahimsa (do not harm) for over 5,000 of years and we know that consumption of flesh is increasing yearly. I'd say with confidence that there are more flesh eaters born every hour than the total number of vegans that will be converted by all the Francionist put together in their lifetimes. Let alone that in a system where profit/greed rules and exploitation is the norm, consumption of vegan products is far away from being free from deliberate, intentional murder and torture of millions sentient beings and destruction of their habitat.

For a meaningful change to happen the entire bloody system has to challenged and replaced. Preaching veganism Francionist style is like trying to drain a lake one cup at the time as Martin Balluch convincingly demonstrates.

I am quoting Martin to present a well established fact: "It is basic knowledge on human psychology that humans are much more social than rational animals." Achieving a meaningful change by one vegan, one plate at the time education is practically impossible and would take forever, specially in the capitalistic system of spectacle where the education, media and the rest of institutions are controlled and run by the oppressors and are based on hierarchical structure of exploitation and dominance. For a convincing detailed explanation and analysis of this I offer this article by Dr. Balluch for people who are not familiar with it: http://www.vgt.at/publikatione... . BTW, there is a great graph, Stability Hypotheses in there.

Unsurprisingly Francione (from my experience) being the master of hierarchical mindset and control disagrees with this. He responded with an idiotic straw man attack on Balluch to which then Martin gave this brilliant, devastatingly effective reply: http://www.vgt.at/publikatione... .

But of course, Dr Martin Balluch has spent 100 days in Austrian jail, had put himself through hunger strike for nonhuman animals and is now being charged for being a leader of compassionate organization while Straw Man is collaborating with the oppressors -- sleeping with the ilk which had put Martin in jail and who have been prosecuting Dr Balluch for bringing about effectively a meaningful change for nonhuman animals in Austria which many have praised including Tom Regan. Hey, no surprise here!

And yes, indeed, Francione did continue with his straw man attacks on Balluch views while Martin was in jail on hunger strike as Will Potter has pointed above. Here is what this creepy F*ck wrote (from that link):

"I find it very difficult to believe Balluch’s claim that the Austrian government is persecuting him and the others because of their role in campaigning for Austrian animal welfare laws. These laws are hardly a cause for alarm by anyone. As I discussed in an earlier essay, the Austrian laws, like welfare laws generally, further entrench animal exploitation and do nothing to eradicate the property status of animals."

I think any moron can understand that what he is saying here is that all the efforts of Austrian prisoners were meaningless and on top of this, which is beyond revolting, is that they must be guilty of some crime because according to Francione Austrian government wouldn't be prosecuting them for their "welfare" activism.

But we have to be careful here. We live in a fascist world of might makes right and whether we like it or not these nasty cowardly characters are in power serving self interests and the interests of the corporate/state mafia cartels to which they have sold themselves. It is not fun being in jail, no kidding.

Anyway, I've been staying away from this garbage ever since the master and his booth kissers had banned me from ARCO and called me insane for saying openly what's on my mind few years ago. I'd rather be helping pigeons and mice or if I must go for an Internet forum fix I spend a little of my time harassing hunters down on EnviroLlink board as a part of an ongoing, nonprofit, multimedia art project called "Guns and God Country." But, I am pleased that few people at least are starting to realize now that EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES which I've said numerous times since few years ago.

PS I've posted some of this on "Negotiation is Over" site but now that all of this and much more has been apparently shredded I am posting some of these thoughts here.

DIRECT ACTION - SUBVERSION - FREEGANISM - VOLUNTARY HUMAN EXTINCTION]]> 2009-09-04T13:59:30Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227488;date=2009-09-04 12:50:09-04:00 2009-09-04T16:50:09Z beforewisdom@gmail.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=227489;date=2009-09-04 12:50:47-04:00 2009-09-04T16:50:47Z deutsch@hotmail.com Deutsch 67.249.56.207 wp_id=227493;date=2009-09-04 14:31:23-04:00 2009-09-04T18:31:23Z beforewisdom@gmail.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=227496;date=2009-09-04 15:00:47-04:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...]]> 2009-09-04T19:00:47Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227497;date=2009-09-04 15:14:50-04:00 2009-09-04T19:14:50Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=227499;date=2009-09-04 15:21:18-04:00 2009-09-04T19:21:18Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227510;date=2009-09-04 18:20:52-04:00 2009-09-04T22:20:52Z abo@gmail.com Abolicousness 24.21.199.145 wp_id=227534;date=2009-09-05 03:21:21-04:00 I no longer have the stomach for Abolitionist Approach, his brand of Non-Violence™ and his ditto head uncritical followers. It's just another cult of personality and I'd prefer to interact with independent thinkers who aren't so incredibly insecure and divisive.]]> 2009-09-05T07:21:21Z blackfog@riseup.net Patrick 76.121.0.249 wp_id=227579;date=2009-09-05 12:15:41-04:00
Here is a website to Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (VHMET). The name here is intentionally humorous, but if one actually makes an attempt to look at the pages instead of judging it by the cover, as it seems that someone above by fictitious name Abolicousness did, one will find some brilliant insights in there regarding how to at least start thinking about solutions to the problem of human over-reproduction, over-production, over-consumption etc.

"The Movement presents an encouraging alternative to the callous exploitation and wholesale destruction of Earth's ecology."

"Each time another one of us decides to not add another one of us to the burgeoning billions already squatting on this ravaged planet, another ray of hope shines through the gloom."

So, here is the link for people who want to find out what this movement is really about before they start blindly judging and ridiculing it the way some people ridicule veganism for example:

http://www.vhemt.org/]]> 2009-09-05T16:15:41Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227580;date=2009-09-05 12:17:01-04:00
I've heard that term before and I agree with you about its negative effect on inspiring people to change their behavior.

I agree with your point.

Vegans need to be a group that people want to join.

In the end, only very little will change for the animals unless large numbers of people become vegan. A few people will respond to ethical arguments and a smaller number will respond to guilt trips/anger/criticisum, but for the most part most people will only do it if there is something in it for them.]]> 2009-09-05T16:17:01Z beforewisdom@gmail.com beforewisdom 66.44.125.7 wp_id=227621;date=2009-09-05 22:35:06-04:00 2009-09-06T02:35:06Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 68.49.208.38 wp_id=227657;date=2009-09-06 16:18:07-04:00 You wrote: "you will find very few people who make more than token efforts at doing things for animals other than writing."

With all due respect, one can do virtual leafletting, too. Why attack writers and bloggers and social networking site users to make your point that our time is better spent trying to foster new vegans than fighting amongst ourselves. There's no need to "push your chair away from your computer" if you are a competent computer using animal advocate.

For the record, I can hand out 200-600 leaflets in an hour or two on a college campus or busy public place. I can also write a blog post on Vegan Soapbox. (The website gets 200-600 unique hits every day.) BOTH are worth my time. BOTH foster veganism.

Besides, who do you think wrote those pamphlets? Non-writers?

Writers change the world. ]]> 2009-09-06T20:18:07Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=227668;date=2009-09-06 19:24:12-04:00
I was smack in the middle of the entire thing; from before the debate, to the breakdown thereof; the challenges, the libel, the harassment, to the final explosions.

So yeah, I find it quite amusing to read these comments, having seen everything as it happened, and being in contact with your so-called "Violent Terrorists". You can believe what you want and who you want, but please, get the facts before you start throwing around as much bullshit as happened originally.

Oh, and, for the love of all that is unholy, listen to Ward.]]> 2009-09-06T23:24:12Z mango_curly@live.ca Jen 99.249.60.26 wp_id=227701;date=2009-09-07 12:29:40-04:00
I am afraid I won't be able to submit this either unless I change it couple of times. Let's see.]]> 2009-09-07T16:29:40Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227706;date=2009-09-07 12:57:16-04:00
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Besides VHMET, I've also mentioned FREEGANISM. And, since there is also a lot misunderstanding of what this is all about, here is one more link here from NYC - a website with information on freeganism.

http://freegan.info/

For me very important aspect regarding freeganism is that it is the beginning of the experimentation with what communities based on concerns for others, cooperation, sharing, equality and creativity may be like as opposed to present social norms which are grounded in capitalism — competition, greed, exploitation and conformity.

Pluralism, alliance and experimentation instead of this single issue, one track or whatever you want to call Francione's simplistic, insular, sterile doctrine. Putting all eggs in one basket is usually not a very good idea, especially when torture and murder of billions are at stake. Moreover, even if only educating masses about veganism does bring domesticated nonhuman animals to an extinction and their holocaust to an end, it will not do much for the billions of wild nonhumans and their holocaust if the expansion and proliferation of homo rapiens and destruction of wild habitat continues.

Hey, I've been having problem leaving comments here. Sometimes they don't go through and then when I try to resubmit these same comments I get the message that I had already submitted them but these comment are not published at all. What a bummer! I have to keep rewriting and rephrasing things and then sometimes it just goes through. Has anyone else run into this problem?

I am afraid I won't be able to submit this either unless I change it couple of times. Let's see.]]> 2009-09-07T16:57:16Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227707;date=2009-09-07 13:54:33-04:00 2009-09-07T17:54:33Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227715;date=2009-09-07 17:06:46-04:00
Comments are held for moderation.]]> 2009-09-07T21:06:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.63.175.231 wp_id=227717;date=2009-09-07 18:07:38-04:00
http://freegan.info/

For me very important aspect regarding freeganism is that it is the beginning of the experimentation with what communities based on concerns for others, cooperation, sharing, equality, freedom awareness and creativity may be like as opposed to present social norms which are grounded in capitalism — competition, greed, exploitation and conformity — ultimately leading to destruction of life on our planet.


Patrick@91,

I've also had a similar negative experience with Francione and his followers. But It had helped me look elsewhere to formulate and galvanize my own views tapping into many different sources and perspectives. Hero-worship can be dangerous and loyalty can rob you of freedom.

Pluralism, alliance and experimentation instead of this single issue, one track or whatever you want to call Francione's simplistic, insular, sterile doctrine. Putting all eggs in one basket is usually not a very good idea, especially when torture and murder of billions of domesticated and non-domesticated nonhumans are at stake. Moreover, even if only educating masses about veganism does bring domesticated nonhuman animals to an extinction and their holocaust to an end, it will not do much for the billions of wild nonhumans and their holocaust if the expansion and proliferation of homo rapiens and destruction of wild habitat continues.

Beforewisdom@93

See my reply #92 and also this:

I've also stood on the corner and politely handed vegan leaflets but have realized that all I was doing is contributing to more trees — nonhumans' habitat — being flushed down the toilet while promoting another murderous, destructive industry albeit less destructive. For example, I wonder how many tunnel vision vegans are paying attention to the Pacific Garbage Patch which is suffocating, torturing and murdering billions of nonhuman animals as a result of over-consumption, over-population by nonvegans and vegans alike all around the globe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

You're right that "guilt trips/anger/criticisum" are meaningless. Much more drastic measures are necessary to jolt most people from their complacency and stupor.]]> 2009-09-07T22:07:38Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227718;date=2009-09-07 18:15:51-04:00 2009-09-07T22:15:51Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227719;date=2009-09-07 18:20:26-04:00
http://freegan.info/

For me very important aspect regarding freeganism is that it is the beginning of the experimentation with what communities based on concerns for others, cooperation, sharing, equality, freedom awareness and creativity may be like as opposed to present social norms which are grounded in capitalism — competition, greed, exploitation and conformity — ultimately leading to destruction of life on our planet.]]> 2009-09-07T22:20:26Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227720;date=2009-09-07 18:32:08-04:00 2009-09-07T22:32:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.63.175.231 wp_id=227723;date=2009-09-07 19:16:13-04:00
Well, then, if you're fallowing what I'm saying, for some reason I am having problem submitting some comments on your blog (several of them so far). I've cleared Firefox history. I've even tried using a different email and entered a different website. The only thing I haven't tried yet is using a different browser. I'll try that next.

Anyway, I like your blog. I've been following it for a long time. I've decided to leave some comments but, sorry, it's going to be difficult if I can't solve the problem I'm having. This is why I was asking if anyone else has experienced this while commenting here or elsewhere.]]> 2009-09-07T23:16:13Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227746;date=2009-09-08 12:06:28-04:00 2009-09-08T16:06:28Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=227747;date=2009-09-08 12:09:58-04:00
Ante Bozanich: If found comments from you as well in the spam folder.

I'm not sure why they went into spam. I did a quick scan of recent comments filtered into spam, and didn't see any others (there are hundreds added every day, though, so I might be missing some).]]> 2009-09-08T16:09:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.9.87 wp_id=227762;date=2009-09-08 14:11:25-04:00
Actually, that was not exactly the problem I had. When I clicked on "submit" I got nothing. I did NOT get "the usual 'your comment is awaiting approval' type message." When I tried to resubmit that same comment I was led to a blue WordPress page telling me that this comment is a duplicate of what I have already submitted. This is crazy because the comment never went true in the first place.

@ Will Potter #109

Thanks, I new something odd was going on. I would spent fifteen minutes writing a comment and then almost every time I had to rewrite it several times in order to see it posted albeit with the "waiting for moderation approval" message.

The question now is why are some comments from me and Sarah going into spam and what can we do here to prevent this?]]> 2009-09-08T18:11:25Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227886;date=2009-09-10 17:55:25-04:00 He has slandered people....]]> 2009-09-10T21:55:25Z cheyannieg@aol.com Judith 68.7.232.143 wp_id=228777;date=2009-09-28 05:17:27-04:00 2009-09-28T09:17:27Z usb_dongle@hotmail.com USB_dongle 67.249.56.207 wp_id=233192;date=2009-12-08 11:02:47-05:00 I used to support Direct Action wholeheartedly but not anymore. I do still think though that those efforts which directly save the lives of animals are worthy of respect, despite their long term ineffectiveness and maybe counter-productiveness. This form of DA recognises the sanctity of individual life.

However, destructive Direct Action is one the most self defeating activities in the Animal Rights movement.
Gluing locks, burning cars and smashing windows has no incremental effect whatsoever in helping animals.

Why?

Because it targets the supply instead of the demand; its like hitting at the branches instead of striking at the roots.

Institutional animal abusers are responding to the demands of the real enemy, ourselves, the consumer. They are a reaction to, not the source of the problem.
The only way that we are going to bring about respect for the lives of animals is by converting omnivores, by using calm logic; by stating in a straightforward manner why consuming animal products is wrong.

Destructive DA does not resonate with 99.9% of people because they cannot understand the context of the attacks. How are we supposed to win the hearts and minds of people when we come across as a group of crazy, emotional extremists who blatantly target honest farmers and their homes?

And if you think to yourself, 'this isn't about winning hearts and minds, this is about saving the animals' then your wrong. Its about both. But we can only do the second by doing the first; not the other way around.
What do you "animal liberationists" believe? That by attacking the supply, you are going to affect the demand? Are you serious? How does capitalism work? As long as there is a demand, there will always be somebody who will be willing to supply that demand.

All you are doing by attacking the property of human animals is marginalising yourselves and your issues. It allows the media and government to dismiss a pure and irreproachable social movement as the reserve of a crazed, anti-human few.

The only way that we are going to affect real change is by participating in non-violent, vegan education.
DA is a short term fix that doesn't work. It took me a few years to wake up and realise that but now that I have, it all seems so clear. The same cannot be said about ALF activism.]]> 2009-12-08T16:02:47Z joejc91@gmail.com Joseph 86.45.11.107 wp_id=233884;date=2009-12-22 00:23:03-05:00 2009-12-22T05:23:03Z chelseaseagull1@yahoo.com Sam 207.237.137.249 wp_id=233887;date=2009-12-22 02:25:11-05:00 http://www.vgt.at/publikatione...

http://www.animalliberationfro...
Those two incredibly logical arguments should demonstrate why abolitionism through vegan education isn't practical.
In the end, hey, I have no interest in chucking a fire bomb under a vacant truck, but it doesn't mean I'm against it. I can understand how violence is a powerful tool. Every rights movement in history has had violence begetting violence, we can't expect the animal rights movement to be any different. While vegan education is certainly a very strong aspect of animal rights, if we don't couple it or team it up with violence, protests and yes, welfarism, then the minuscule population of the world that does decide to turn vegan will never be enough to overturn the determined, profit-blinded animal industry.]]> 2009-12-22T07:25:11Z thecite@hotmail.com Mark 124.171.70.245 wp_id=234341;date=2010-01-03 18:49:24-05:00
Mark, the authors of that second article stated that it is the institutional animal exploiters, the "capitalist oppressors", who are the murderers and torturers.
Although I agree with that in one sense, I think that if anyone should be condemned for abusing animals, it should be, first and foremost, our own parents and siblings, not KFC and Burger King. After all, as consumers, our loved ones are responsible for the existence of the fast food restaurants and the cosmetics testing laboratories (at least mine are), not some conspiring gang of CEO sadists.
The consumer alone pays the salaries of the chicken farmer and the electricity bills of the slaughter house. So why don't we firebomb our mothers' cars, or abusively intimidate our little cousins on a Saturday afternoon?
After all, our loved ones are the sole reason that these institutions of abuse exist in the first place, no?

Attacking a McDonalds restaurant simply scares away the very people who we need to draw in. Folks see it as a deranged attack on a normal, morally acceptable, restaurant; an attack on something which they themselves actively participate in. It just doesn't make any sense to me to do this; to alienate people from our cause, thus diminishing the potential for incremental progress towards our goal, abolition.

I know non-violent vegan education is slow, and is devoid of all the fire-in-your-veins rhetoric about "revolutionary struggles" against colossal enemies but I don't see an alternative which is, in any way, more effective (or less ineffective), or more practical.

Lastly, I think we should all remember that this animal "rights" movement, this motley crew of ideologies, is still in its infancy.
The term Vegan is, what, 65 years old?.. and Francione's beliefs are around 20 years old at most? Personally, I think we need to give vegan education at least a century before we even consider dismissing it out of hand and baselessly defaming Francione's character as has been done repeatedly on the comments section of this page.

I need to know this: how will militant direct action bring about, in the long run, the abolition of animal exploitation? How will it not just prolong the acceptance of animal use in society?]]> 2010-01-03T23:49:24Z joejc91@gmail.com Joseph 86.43.168.145 wp_id=227399;date=2009-09-03 09:36:52-04:00 2009-09-03T13:36:52Z pcvisser@msn.com Antispe 84.87.62.39 wp_id=227401;date=2009-09-03 10:18:19-04:00 2009-09-03T14:18:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=227405;date=2009-09-03 11:36:37-04:00 maxim:-

'You don't h-a-v-e to be as thick as shit to be a police officer,
but by god, it certainly helps...']]> 2009-09-03T15:36:37Z strike_x321@yahoo.com David 90.204.106.69 wp_id=227408;date=2009-09-03 12:36:54-04:00 2009-09-03T16:36:54Z debathome58@yahoo.com Debbie 70.31.223.12 wp_id=227410;date=2009-09-03 13:15:40-04:00 2009-09-03T17:15:40Z d@anonymous.disqus.net d 69.114.85.110 wp_id=227441;date=2009-09-03 22:28:51-04:00 2009-09-04T02:28:51Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Sehnsucht 99.179.70.156 wp_id=227500;date=2009-09-04 15:35:01-04:00 2009-09-04T19:35:01Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.84.170 wp_id=227742;date=2009-09-08 10:24:43-04:00 2009-09-08T14:24:43Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=228090;date=2009-09-13 17:47:36-04:00 2009-09-13T21:47:36Z marshalldoc@gmail.com Marshalldoc 68.88.123.124 wp_id=232919;date=2009-12-04 19:31:27-05:00
Even if you have done nothing wrong, DO NOT TALK.

Even if you think you are just going to explain a simple misunderstanding and be on your way: DO. NOT. TALK.
Don't be intimidated into talking no matter what. Be familiar with your rights and what you have to do regarding identification, but mostly just keep your mouth closed.

Plain and simple, thou shall not speakth. You may not walk, but as soon as you talk, your chances of walking dramatically decrease.]]> 2009-12-05T00:31:27Z whey77@letterboxes.org GKC 70.15.28.182 wp_id=232920;date=2009-12-04 19:34:28-05:00
Exactly. Cops, in more candid moments, will admit that while it is in your best interest not to talk, most, as in nearly everyone, will. Just about everyone will talk in some fashion, for the reasons above and others. So do yourself a favor and don't talk.]]> 2009-12-05T00:34:28Z whey77@letterboxes.org GKC 70.15.28.182 wp_id=227551;date=2009-09-05 06:52:02-04:00 2009-09-05T10:52:02Z tomonroad@yahoo.com libhomo 24.168.17.32 wp_id=227666;date=2009-09-06 17:40:05-04:00
More blackout. More media sleight of hand.

Can't people see how ridiculous this is? To be joyously handing out crimes and punishments such as this, defending capitalism and profit? It doesn't just make me weep, it makes me SICK.]]> 2009-09-06T21:40:05Z mango_curly@live.ca Jen 99.249.60.26 wp_id=227808;date=2009-09-09 15:50:12-04:00
well said, everything seems to be a bit backwards in Utah. 5 years in prison is a long time.

that is unfortunate, but we are living in an evolving police state.]]> 2009-09-09T19:50:12Z veejayblox@hotmail.com veejayblox 64.164.135.42 wp_id=227884;date=2009-09-10 17:43:06-04:00 2009-09-10T21:43:06Z cheyannieg@aol.com Judith 68.7.232.143 wp_id=227919;date=2009-09-11 11:25:36-04:00
Once again, we have here the state protecting real terrorists, those who murder and torture while prosecuting as terrorists the individuals who save lives.]]> 2009-09-11T15:25:36Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.138.214 wp_id=227920;date=2009-09-11 11:35:07-04:00 2009-09-11T15:35:07Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.19.198 wp_id=231487;date=2009-11-15 17:39:04-05:00 2009-11-15T22:39:04Z lisa.london@bofamerica.com Lisa 74.237.19.176 wp_id=228181;date=2009-09-15 22:09:58-04:00 That's funny because I have long wanted to share my research paper on AETA with you. In fact, I sent it to Pier 5 (the firm representing the "California 4" when the indictments were first handed down and am still in contact with them and assisting some on the motions. Would you like to post my paper in order to provide an additional resource to other students? I would also love to be reachable to any students who would like to contact me on the issue. I am a PhD student at the University of Georgia.]]> 2009-09-16T02:09:58Z rsnyder@uga.edu Rachel 74.176.46.227 wp_id=228182;date=2009-09-15 22:11:12-04:00 2009-09-16T02:11:12Z rsnyder@uga.edu Rachel 74.176.46.227 wp_id=228624;date=2009-09-24 14:35:05-04:00 2009-09-24T18:35:05Z karmalily@gmail.com Karmalily 12.164.188.127 wp_id=228627;date=2009-09-24 17:53:51-04:00 2009-09-24T21:53:51Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=228651;date=2009-09-25 09:55:33-04:00 2009-09-25T13:55:33Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 120.16.120.177 wp_id=228656;date=2009-09-25 11:37:47-04:00 http://www.directaction.info/

If you don't want to be treated like a terrorist, don't act like one and then complain about being "denied" your rights.]]> 2009-09-25T15:37:47Z iay@anonymous.disqus.net Iay 209.139.211.224 wp_id=228657;date=2009-09-25 11:43:45-04:00
Directaction.info has a listed of actions by underground groups, the vast majority are petty vandalism.

Could you please direct me to info there, or anywhere, about environmentalists taking hostages, attacking the military or murdering people?

Thanks,
Will]]> 2009-09-25T15:43:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=228659;date=2009-09-25 12:19:04-04:00
We hear (if there's no plane at the moment) that noise is freedom slogan here too.]]> 2009-09-25T16:19:04Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.123 wp_id=228674;date=2009-09-25 17:21:37-04:00
PS: Kisses!]]> 2009-09-25T21:21:37Z ithinkjoeisapaidtroll@anonymous.disqus.net IThinkJoeIsAPaidTroll 166.70.87.106 wp_id=228755;date=2009-09-27 16:05:15-04:00 2009-09-27T20:05:15Z captain_bob@anonymous.disqus.net Captain Bob 67.193.155.182 wp_id=228978;date=2009-09-30 10:51:17-04:00 2009-09-30T14:51:17Z ithinkjoeisapaidtroll@anonymous.disqus.net IThinkJoeIsAPaidTroll 166.70.54.115 wp_id=229015;date=2009-09-30 16:16:18-04:00 2009-09-30T20:16:18Z baily2@optonline.net matt 216.83.104.124 wp_id=228658;date=2009-09-25 11:51:22-04:00 2009-09-25T15:51:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=228661;date=2009-09-25 12:25:07-04:00
You're right -- no one really knows who these men are. Thanks again!]]> 2009-09-25T16:25:07Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy Habenicht 204.214.192.251 wp_id=228664;date=2009-09-25 13:45:17-04:00 2009-09-25T17:45:17Z johnny@unboundedexistence.com Johnny 99.229.10.217 wp_id=228665;date=2009-09-25 13:49:25-04:00 2009-09-25T17:49:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=228673;date=2009-09-25 17:11:33-04:00 2009-09-25T21:11:33Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=228677;date=2009-09-25 18:36:57-04:00 2009-09-25T22:36:57Z anon@anonymous.disqus.net anon 65.79.182.94 wp_id=228694;date=2009-09-26 01:54:04-04:00 2009-09-26T05:54:04Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 120.18.125.28 wp_id=228746;date=2009-09-27 11:42:18-04:00 2009-09-27T15:42:18Z thirtythirtysix@yahoo.com Abel 69.182.43.141 wp_id=228905;date=2009-09-29 20:56:03-04:00
Thank you.]]> 2009-09-30T00:56:03Z nativeofny1@yahoo.com GW 68.50.116.120 wp_id=228982;date=2009-09-30 10:55:36-04:00 2009-09-30T14:55:36Z ithinkjoeisapaidtroll@anonymous.disqus.net IThinkJoeIsAPaidTroll 166.70.54.115 wp_id=229128;date=2009-10-01 11:40:09-04:00 2009-10-01T15:40:09Z jthelibertarian@anonymous.disqus.net JTheLibertarian 98.196.50.186 wp_id=229157;date=2009-10-01 21:21:50-04:00 2009-10-02T01:21:50Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=229201;date=2009-10-02 10:56:16-04:00 2009-10-02T14:56:16Z erik@anonymous.disqus.net Erik 74.94.131.53 wp_id=229225;date=2009-10-02 22:09:40-04:00 2009-10-03T02:09:40Z thirtythirtysix@yahoo.com Abel 64.252.121.53 wp_id=228799;date=2009-09-28 11:19:56-04:00 2009-09-28T15:19:56Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 216.251.181.109 wp_id=228979;date=2009-09-30 10:51:35-04:00 2009-09-30T14:51:35Z dylan@anonymous.disqus.net Dylan 65.51.58.1 wp_id=228980;date=2009-09-30 10:53:35-04:00 2009-09-30T14:53:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=228985;date=2009-09-30 11:18:49-04:00 2009-09-30T15:18:49Z junk_456@hotmail.com Merry 74.179.176.4 wp_id=228993;date=2009-09-30 12:08:01-04:00 2009-09-30T16:08:01Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker 64.128.215.178 wp_id=228996;date=2009-09-30 12:35:03-04:00 and big business. Governments cannot risk that happening: after all, Animal Rights actions are so vastly different from many, or most other 'crimes' as they directly affect the status quo and threaten the wealth and security of those who legislate, and those amoral parasites for whom the legislators work so tirelessly.

David]]> 2009-09-30T16:35:03Z strike_x321@yahoo.com David 90.196.182.240 wp_id=229000;date=2009-09-30 13:05:02-04:00
whereas if they were committed by my grandmother or a right winger (like the ones who brought guns to protests--what would happen if anarchists brought guns to a protests?!!), they would be given light sentences, if not major leniency.]]> 2009-09-30T17:05:02Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com xvxdavexvx 76.15.8.141 wp_id=229005;date=2009-09-30 14:13:32-04:00 beset]]> 2009-09-30T18:13:32Z beset@earthclick.net beset 216.151.13.108 wp_id=229023;date=2009-09-30 17:15:29-04:00 2009-09-30T21:15:29Z supportmariemason@gmail.com supportmariemason 68.161.105.10 wp_id=229024;date=2009-09-30 17:15:56-04:00 2009-09-30T21:15:56Z supportmariemason@gmail.com supportmariemason 68.161.105.10 wp_id=229049;date=2009-09-30 22:02:12-04:00 Crap, that was a dumb error on my part. I'll correct it now. Thank you for noting it!]]> 2009-10-01T02:02:12Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.63.39.214 wp_id=229053;date=2009-09-30 22:18:07-04:00
The AETA is an arbitrary and dangerous bit of pro-corporate, anti-liberty legislation... It should be disturbing to anyone whether or not they are for "animal rights".]]> 2009-10-01T02:18:07Z bea.elliott@verizon.net Bea Elliott 71.100.181.170 wp_id=229113;date=2009-10-01 09:11:13-04:00
More info has come out about the snatch-and-grab person from the G20 stuff here in Pittsburgh but the person's parents asked that he remain anonymous for now. I will keep you posted if/when it's out in the open.]]> 2009-10-01T13:11:13Z arphilosophy@gmail.com Adrienne 24.131.94.130 wp_id=229218;date=2009-10-02 19:37:45-04:00
Last, there is a saying in prison: "do the crime you do the time." Complaining about differences in sentences does not go over well in the prison population. What progressives should be about is examining the whole issue of prisons, the large incarceration rates in America, and treatment of all prisoners, rather than focusing on what is a systematic problem of unjust sentences. Even Bernie Madoff can complain that he received too long of a sentence compared to others...]]> 2009-10-02T23:37:45Z shelterwood@earthlink.net kim 67.161.89.82 wp_id=229219;date=2009-10-02 19:55:53-04:00
And to your latter point, I think it is very easy to say "don't focus on specific sentences" when you have not been sentenced to 10, 22, 30 years in prison when people who have done much, much worse receive a fraction of that.]]> 2009-10-02T23:55:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.59.224.218 wp_id=229242;date=2009-10-03 11:05:17-04:00 2009-10-03T15:05:17Z shelterwood@earthlink.net kim 67.161.89.82 wp_id=229244;date=2009-10-03 11:41:38-04:00 2009-10-03T15:41:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.153.48 wp_id=229407;date=2009-10-08 07:34:35-04:00 2009-10-08T11:34:35Z collins.jennifer@yahoo.ie jennifer 89.246.208.200 wp_id=229412;date=2009-10-08 10:09:53-04:00 2009-10-08T14:09:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.101.131.25 wp_id=229203;date=2009-10-02 13:02:21-04:00
Inmate Mailing Address: Steve Murphy #39013177 FCI FORT WORTH FEDERAL CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION P.O. BOX 15330 FORT WORTH, TX 76119

He was told he would be there for 2 weeks. ...]]> 2009-10-02T17:02:21Z waldo@riseup.net carol 208.99.16.118 wp_id=229204;date=2009-10-02 14:03:51-04:00
Nice.]]> 2009-10-02T18:03:51Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy Habenicht 204.214.192.251 wp_id=229295;date=2009-10-04 20:26:40-04:00 2009-10-05T00:26:40Z cheyannieg@aol.com Judith 68.7.232.143 wp_id=229355;date=2009-10-06 21:34:48-04:00 http://www.supportsteve.org]]> 2009-10-07T01:34:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.101.48.92 wp_id=229210;date=2009-10-02 16:06:35-04:00
This made my day!

Stay blessed.]]> 2009-10-02T20:06:35Z andrew@papress.com andy 66.100.3.192 wp_id=229215;date=2009-10-02 17:29:39-04:00 2009-10-02T21:29:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.62.107 wp_id=229217;date=2009-10-02 18:47:55-04:00 2009-10-02T22:47:55Z thenewanarchist@gmail.com The New Anarchist 74.192.35.84 wp_id=229222;date=2009-10-02 20:47:42-04:00 http://www.google.com/hostedne...

That release came Friday morning from a Portland prison, but he was picked up again when he checked in with his parole officer in Eugene, Black said.

Black said the error occurred in determining Luer's time off. He had qualified for a 20 percent reduction in his sentence for good behavior, and authorities took another 10 percent off under terms of recent legislation designed to reduce the state prison population. But Black said they learned after releasing him that one of Luers' convictions did not qualify under the law

His new release date is Dec. 16.]]> 2009-10-03T00:47:42Z taken_back@anonymous.disqus.net taken back 76.19.98.110 wp_id=229223;date=2009-10-02 21:27:38-04:00 2009-10-03T01:27:38Z erik@anonymous.disqus.net Erik 64.90.81.119 wp_id=229228;date=2009-10-02 22:50:22-04:00 let him free!]]> 2009-10-03T02:50:22Z charas7@gmail.com Susan h 166.137.5.13 wp_id=229230;date=2009-10-03 00:13:00-04:00 2009-10-03T04:13:00Z md769@columbia.edu mehmet 66.30.15.161 wp_id=229231;date=2009-10-03 00:59:04-04:00 2009-10-03T04:59:04Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=229252;date=2009-10-03 13:52:11-04:00 2009-10-03T17:52:11Z ritarobinett@hotmail.com Rita 75.185.196.185 wp_id=229262;date=2009-10-03 22:11:14-04:00
PS: Good to see you trolling faithfully in such an unpredictable world, little ol' Joe. Kisses!]]> 2009-10-04T02:11:14Z ithinkjoeisapaidtroll@anonymous.disqus.net IThinkJoeIsAPaidTroll 98.202.223.219 wp_id=229264;date=2009-10-03 23:42:31-04:00 Do these bastards sit around an think up this shit?! Lets give him a couple hours of freedom and then re-arrest him.....]]> 2009-10-04T03:42:31Z cheyannieg@aol.com Judith 68.7.232.143 wp_id=229265;date=2009-10-04 00:23:23-04:00 2009-10-04T04:23:23Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=229268;date=2009-10-04 01:22:30-04:00 I believe Mr. Luers is free to speak his mind, in any forum. I had more respect for him when he sat in a tree protesting the clear-cutting of forest-land. Property crimes of this nature, by comparison, are acts of cowardice. I believe most of the leaders (past and present) of civil disobedience would find his and Mr. Marshall's actions shameful and self-destructive. I find his actions no less reprehensible than the religious nut-jobs that fire-bomb abortion clinics.]]> 2009-10-04T05:22:30Z jamielowy@yahoo.com Barak 76.20.99.248 wp_id=229280;date=2009-10-04 12:52:36-04:00 2009-10-04T16:52:36Z thirtythirtysix@yahoo.com Abel 64.252.121.53 wp_id=229308;date=2009-10-05 09:34:18-04:00 Make up your mind, you love the planet or you love protecting personal property? They're mutually exclusive positions.

@Barak - You're right. And my wish is that capatalism smokes itself right off the face of the earth, just do it fast and get it over with already.

@Abel - Bingo.]]> 2009-10-05T13:34:18Z ghost@anonymous.disqus.net ghost 173.50.36.235 wp_id=233869;date=2009-12-21 14:18:22-05:00
http://www.littleshell.earthso...]]> 2009-12-21T19:18:22Z editor@earthsourcemedia.org joey racano 75.209.114.214 wp_id=229310;date=2009-10-05 11:11:44-04:00 2009-10-05T15:11:44Z toneuteriscuter@msn.com Amber 72.230.120.220 wp_id=229311;date=2009-10-05 11:17:24-04:00
Peter Young has great commentary on this story, too:
http://www.voiceofthevoiceless...]]> 2009-10-05T15:17:24Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker 24.211.153.247 wp_id=229317;date=2009-10-05 15:31:14-04:00 2009-10-05T19:31:14Z crystalcrow@earthlink.net Julia Mackenzie 12.188.26.1 wp_id=229318;date=2009-10-05 16:38:47-04:00
He willingly and knowingly sacrificed others to save himself some time and will go down in history as a snitch. It must be really depressing to be that guy and it must feel even worse to have been betrayed by a "friend" the way he betrayed people who trusted him.]]> 2009-10-05T20:38:47Z arphilosophy@gmail.com Adrienne 130.49.139.143 wp_id=229358;date=2009-10-06 23:07:33-04:00

http://www.democracynow.org/20...

Thanks... Hope you are well.]]> 2009-10-07T03:07:33Z only@riseup.net Only 74.96.124.138 wp_id=229377;date=2009-10-07 09:21:00-04:00 2009-10-07T13:21:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.94.152 wp_id=229684;date=2009-10-14 08:19:01-04:00 i can't make out any pentagram tattoo on the linked photo, which is unfortunate. maybe there is a better shot? the thing is a real deal breaker.
leslie]]> 2009-10-14T12:19:01Z leslie@lesliejamespickering.com leslie james pickering 72.88.50.17 wp_id=229692;date=2009-10-14 09:27:40-04:00 I don't have a better quality photo, unfortunately--if anyone has a link to a good one, please post it. Thanks!]]> 2009-10-14T13:27:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=229734;date=2009-10-14 22:10:48-04:00
by the way, did anyone else notice this quote from Ferguson:
"what broke things up was that... WE were start... they were starting to catch on to us." (emphasis added)
is it just me, or does it sound like he is identifying with the FBI from as far back as October of 1998 now? or at least that he had another thought going there that he thought better of.]]> 2009-10-15T02:10:48Z leslie@lesliejamespickering.com leslie james pickering 72.88.50.17 wp_id=232420;date=2009-11-29 23:22:53-05:00 I've talked with the main FBI agent who worked with Ferguson, and he was saying "He was very funny- had a great sense of humor. He was very light-hearted and kind. And you'd think 'this is a guy who I could see hanging out with...except for the arson.'"
Frankly, I don't think that Jake Ferguson was that bad of a guy.
What I never have heard talked about is Ferguson's interactions with the FBI BEFORE he snitched. The FBI pulled a bluff on him and told him that they knew he'd done all these arsons and crimes, and poked him pretty hard. And he dealt with himself and his crimes way before he snitched about the rest of The Family.

I understand the problem with betrayal. I also think that when you get into things like arson, where there's direct and indirect harm to people, it goes into moral beliefs. And I do believe that Ferguson had a change of heart, and didn't believe in blowing things up anymore. (If this weren't true, I don't think he would have so quickly affirmed his roles in all these acts to the FBI.)

And if that is true, how can you blame him for actively fighting against that cause, even if it was against his own associates?
Because elves are fighting, actively, for what they believe in; it's their right of conscious. I believe that in most cases, right of conscious is a good thing- to stand up for what you believe in, even if it's against the norm, the community, the government. So if he did have a change of heart (and mind), which I truly think he did, how can you blame him for being pro-active in his beliefs against that kind of activism- EVEN IF it's the same stance as the FBI? Just as John Hanna said, "In truth it's not possible to wear both hats."]]> 2009-11-30T04:22:53Z confoosion@hotmail.com Observer 24.18.178.247 wp_id=229387;date=2009-10-07 13:29:52-04:00 2009-10-07T17:29:52Z arphilosophy@gmail.com Adrienne 130.49.139.143 wp_id=229392;date=2009-10-07 16:44:17-04:00 2009-10-07T20:44:17Z twit@anonymous.disqus.net twit 208.54.90.63 wp_id=229398;date=2009-10-08 00:27:53-04:00
I would die for my freedom, I would kill for theirs...]]> 2009-10-08T04:27:53Z cheyannieg@aol.com Judith 68.7.232.143 wp_id=229430;date=2009-10-08 21:17:19-04:00 2009-10-09T01:17:19Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.210.211 wp_id=229456;date=2009-10-09 09:28:39-04:00
http://www.foxbusiness.com/sea...]]> 2009-10-09T13:28:39Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=229457;date=2009-10-09 09:33:04-04:00 2009-10-09T13:33:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.101.131.25 wp_id=229490;date=2009-10-10 06:19:31-04:00 2009-10-10T10:19:31Z someguy@anonymous.disqus.net SomeGuy 71.161.92.66 wp_id=229602;date=2009-10-12 20:50:40-04:00
My rights will not be taken from me gently. For instance, anyone labeling me a terrorist for protecting those who cannot fend for themselves, is actively going to be challenged. It's my own personal mission to 'call individuals out' every time I see this "terrorist" garbage in print or hear it roll off the uninformed tongues of the mindless. Too many people, i.e., AR activists, environmentalists and peaceniks are taking the fetal position and remaining largely silent while being viciously slandered by our govt. and others who have profit motive behind discrediting us. If we all don't rise to the occasion NOW and put an end to this propaganda, their intent is to first jail us, then kill us. After all, the bottom line with big business IS profits [and more and more of our prisons are being privatized]. It's not 'profitable' to have 100's of 1000's of political dissidents requiring food and shelter...and irony of ironies, medical care!! One thing we can ALL do is never EVER allow the terrorist label to ride. Every time a vivisector falls back on this terrorist crap I verbally kick his ass to the curb...so easy to do as they are all such bogus, stinking hypocrites!]]> 2009-10-13T00:50:40Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.211.87 wp_id=229705;date=2009-10-14 14:30:58-04:00
I know Police Officers who are fine people and have a conscience. My best friend is a State Trooper, we have idealogical differences but I know of no better man! I would like to know where these police officers who appearently either get off on the power, or are threathen themselves with no job or insubordination. Where do these police get some of these police state type orders for use in the USA? My strong hunch is the corporate controlled state and federal officials at high levels, being told by the corporations what and who to go after, to protect their mighty dollar. I do see way to many people being beaten and arrested and compared to 911 hijackers for trying to make this a better world to live in for not only human animals, but our non-human animals that need our protection. We all need to lobby Washington to overturn the "Eco-Terrorist" law. It simply is as un-American as anything I have seen Washington ever make into law.]]> 2009-10-14T18:30:58Z pathfinder22@comcast.net Paul 67.190.224.37 wp_id=229768;date=2009-10-15 11:10:20-04:00 2009-10-15T15:10:20Z queenehlana@msn.com Louche 141.161.31.150 wp_id=229770;date=2009-10-15 11:12:23-04:00 2009-10-15T15:12:23Z queenehlana@msn.com Louche 141.161.31.150 wp_id=229780;date=2009-10-15 14:16:16-04:00 The attached link to Herbivore Magazine's article on the Shac 7 was awesome. I could spend hours reading all the materials on this site, thanks for creating it and thanks for posting the article.]]> 2009-10-15T18:16:16Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 170.63.96.108 wp_id=229796;date=2009-10-15 17:00:20-04:00 Thanks very much for the note. Best, Will]]> 2009-10-15T21:00:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.55.249 wp_id=229724;date=2009-10-14 19:45:40-04:00 I find the "implied" illegal activity of not discussing something over the phone, or of encrypting one's computer particularly disturbing]]> 2009-10-14T23:45:40Z antiserendipity@gmail.com Rob 96.231.211.219 wp_id=229725;date=2009-10-14 19:52:32-04:00 2009-10-14T23:52:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=229732;date=2009-10-14 21:53:22-04:00
If you had ever seen the SHAC 7 kids in action, you'd know that they were doing far more than merely encouraging other people to shout loudly.

Get a grip. Get real. And admit that just maybe thugs are thugs.]]> 2009-10-15T01:53:22Z alexfrank@aol.com Francis 208.125.124.66 wp_id=229736;date=2009-10-14 23:00:43-04:00 2009-10-15T03:00:43Z thirtythirtysix@yahoo.com Abel 64.252.121.53 wp_id=229737;date=2009-10-14 23:03:24-04:00
Bush and Cheney really did a lasting, hatchet job on civil liberties -- not only by using 911 and the Patriot Act to further their vision of a police state, but by loading up the DOJ, law enforcement and the courts with the mirror image of individuals as insane as themselves.

Get ready for the tanks to roll down our streets in the near future, as Obama has just approved continuation of the Patriot Act with all of its totalitarian benefits intact; brushing aside Russ Feingold's attempts at reinstating at least some of the Bill of Rights. THIS, coming from someone claiming to be a Constitutional lawyer! One could only WISH that the wingnuts were right about Obama being a liberal. He started as a lukewarm centrist and with lightening speed has moved so far to the right, that, if the right wasn't already so delusional, should have them ecstatic.

BTW, Frances, you'll be one of those clueless creatures shitting their pants with shock, when you're led away for some minor infraction; placed before a kangaroo court and sentenced to 30 years or death for...closing your curtains???

If you think we aren't close to being there, yet, think again. I have an acquaintance who disappeared off the face of the planet back in March...picked up by the feds. She was suing them for violation of her 1st Amendment rights.]]> 2009-10-15T03:03:24Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.215.26 wp_id=229739;date=2009-10-15 01:13:41-04:00 2009-10-15T05:13:41Z kindtoanimals@aol.com Libra 98.149.177.222 wp_id=229742;date=2009-10-15 02:48:40-04:00 2009-10-15T06:48:40Z notaseadog@hotmail.com Rob 66.176.180.222 wp_id=229743;date=2009-10-15 02:49:45-04:00 2009-10-15T06:49:45Z ithinkjoeisapaidtroll@anonymous.disqus.net IThinkJoeIsAPaidTroll 166.70.54.115 wp_id=229745;date=2009-10-15 03:37:00-04:00 That’s a funny statement Francis. Brutalizing and torturing and pushing (other) animals (than humans) beyond the endurable limits of pain sounds pretty thuggish to me. So, yeah. Thugs are thugs. The violent treatment of (other) animals (than humans) that goes on systematically on such an unbelievable scale, I would say, is thuggish. Corporate pursuit of profit, no matter the cost to workers, (other) animals (than humans), and the ecological impact is thuggish. Opposing these thugs with an aggressive and organized advocacy of civil disobedience and resistance actually seems heroic.]]> 2009-10-15T07:37:00Z bodhimind3@aol.com Bo 71.109.85.211 wp_id=229755;date=2009-10-15 08:07:07-04:00 2009-10-15T12:07:07Z jared@anonymous.disqus.net Jared 166.137.133.57 wp_id=229759;date=2009-10-15 08:40:30-04:00
This summer, Carbon that was made in the USA and Europe almost surely caused what many officials are calling the "worst drought in 40 years" and the "worst flood in 10,000 years." Those might be slight exaggerations, but it is not an exaggeration to say that a lot of people have and will continue to die as a result of these and other extreme climate events.
If Americans don't cut out this feel good environmentalism, nothing is going to happen. Nice to meet you. I'll come back.
Hari]]> 2009-10-15T12:40:30Z haribatti123@gmail.com Hari Batti 122.162.212.134 wp_id=229765;date=2009-10-15 11:01:28-04:00 2009-10-15T15:01:28Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=229766;date=2009-10-15 11:05:44-04:00
It's a great example of how manipulative these groups have been--this has been repeatedly cited in the press and by people like you as an example of how SHAC support "terrorism," but SHAC didn't even make the document. SHAC reposted it and made fun of it.]]> 2009-10-15T15:05:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.55.249 wp_id=229767;date=2009-10-15 11:08:05-04:00 2009-10-15T15:08:05Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=229769;date=2009-10-15 11:11:31-04:00
"The SHAC website also posted a piece called the 'Top 20 Terror Tactics' that was originally published by an organization that defends the use of animals in medical research
and testing."]]> 2009-10-15T15:11:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.55.249 wp_id=229779;date=2009-10-15 13:58:52-04:00 2009-10-15T17:58:52Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 170.63.96.108 wp_id=229783;date=2009-10-15 14:31:05-04:00 Additionally, I think there's a big difference between SHAC's tactics and those of civil rights leaders. In an MLK style sit in, the protesters broke Jim Crow laws knowing they’d be tossed in jail. Direct and rational civil disobedience. They OPENLY broke unjust laws to make their point.
Here we've got this SHAC campaign breaking a whole slew of perfectly legitimate laws (stalking, vandalism, web sabotage) to harry Huntingdon while attempting to EVADE law enforcement. Big big distinction.]]> 2009-10-15T18:31:05Z zgrendi@gmail.com Zach 129.98.225.139 wp_id=229784;date=2009-10-15 14:42:00-04:00 "Mainstream animal and environmental groups, the press, civil liberties groups, they have all largely remained silent on this historic case. As a result, this appellate court has issued its sweeping ruling with impunity."

The struggle to free nonhuman animals from oppression is morally right and just. Any effective movement challenging the status quo will face government repression. We must not be scared into submission - keep speaking out against speciesist exploitation and in defense of animal rights!]]> 2009-10-15T18:42:00Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker 24.211.153.247 wp_id=229786;date=2009-10-15 14:54:46-04:00 2009-10-15T18:54:46Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=229795;date=2009-10-15 16:59:36-04:00 2009-10-15T20:59:36Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.55.249 wp_id=229797;date=2009-10-15 17:04:05-04:00 There are certainly elements of truth in your comment, in that there were plenty of illegal actions in the campaign against HLS. The problem is that the SHAC 7 were never accused of committing them. As the government said during the appeal hearing, this case is about whether some people can be held responsible for the actions of others. The government is going after these activists because they have not been able to catch those who are responsible.]]> 2009-10-15T21:04:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.115.55.249 wp_id=229801;date=2009-10-15 18:24:53-04:00 2009-10-15T22:24:53Z glebec@live.com Gwen Lebec 12.106.89.75 wp_id=229851;date=2009-10-16 20:36:37-04:00 And my experience with Radical Environmentalists and Animal Rightists is that they are perfectly fine with killing an unborn baby.

What goes around comes around folks.]]> 2009-10-17T00:36:37Z corvus@rancher.net Just Plain Bill 63.81.10.155 wp_id=229885;date=2009-10-17 11:10:46-04:00
You know, I really love comments like this because it's like playing "Six Degrees of Kevin Beacon," but with fetuses. It's amazing how every single issue can somehow be brought back to abortion.]]> 2009-10-17T15:10:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.101.150.4 wp_id=229886;date=2009-10-17 11:12:36-04:00 2009-10-17T15:12:36Z ethan_tupelo@anonymous.disqus.net Ethan Tupelo 65.216.227.186 wp_id=229887;date=2009-10-17 11:17:10-04:00 I agree, chances at the Supreme Court would be slim. This bench is not strong on the First Amendment. There is also the option of petitioning for an en banc ruling, which means having the entire appellate court review the case (as opposed to the 3 judges who issued this ruling). Nothing has been decided at this point, to my knowledge.]]> 2009-10-17T15:17:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.101.150.4 wp_id=229939;date=2009-10-18 21:58:46-04:00 2009-10-19T01:58:46Z kmccarthy_1@hotmail.com Kathy 70.189.242.222 wp_id=230329;date=2009-10-26 12:54:23-04:00 2009-10-26T16:54:23Z mpomo@yahoo.com md 65.244.170.30 wp_id=229777;date=2009-10-15 12:56:58-04:00 2009-10-15T16:56:58Z bstriepe@gmail.com Becky 157.166.167.129 wp_id=229830;date=2009-10-16 10:53:05-04:00 2009-10-16T14:53:05Z beforewisdom@gmail.com beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 wp_id=229846;date=2009-10-16 18:45:47-04:00 2009-10-16T22:45:47Z cheyannieg@aol.com Judith 68.7.232.143 wp_id=229975;date=2009-10-19 21:07:44-04:00 statements made in the video and from the post above. The quote from the video is " by axe, drill or crowbar we are coming through your door" and from the post above "If the new underground lab at the University of Iowa is intended to deter both legal and illegal animal rights activity, that’s not going to happen" and “They’re building their labs underground now? I guess we’ll just have to get shovels.” .

Its these type of statements that get you labled as terrorist, how else is someone who works in or for a lab suppose to take those threats? Its just more example of a small group of people trying to force their way of life onto everyone else.]]> 2009-10-20T01:07:44Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=229977;date=2009-10-19 22:07:40-04:00 2009-10-20T02:07:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.125.192.142 wp_id=229979;date=2009-10-19 22:50:17-04:00 2009-10-20T02:50:17Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=229980;date=2009-10-19 22:57:10-04:00
Statements on a political website like this, and statements in jest from aboveground activists, are not the same as anonymous communiques by underground groups.]]> 2009-10-20T02:57:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.125.192.142 wp_id=229981;date=2009-10-19 22:59:32-04:00
When people risk their lives in non-violent acts of liberation and non-violent property destruction and sabotage for the freedom, safety, and dignity of defenseless animals, it's not terrorism. It's love.

When a state threatens a person with violence (prison time, to be enforced with violence, if they feel necessary) to coerce them to give up their right to silence, that is terrorism.

Not all terrorists wear ski masks. But most of them do wear suits.]]> 2009-10-20T02:59:32Z cheadaih@guerrillamailblock.com Anita Ray Voleaux-Shinn 173.74.41.7 wp_id=229982;date=2009-10-19 23:13:34-04:00
Great post, Will.]]> 2009-10-20T03:13:34Z ludditerobot@riseup.net ludditerobot 75.72.22.241 wp_id=229986;date=2009-10-19 23:54:33-04:00 2009-10-20T03:54:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.125.192.142 wp_id=230055;date=2009-10-21 13:41:21-04:00
Also, I think one of the best parts in the video is when the ALF person ties their shoe in the middle of the liberation, as if they are saying "We have all the time in the world - we are coordinated and well planned".

A subtle "fuck you" to the authorities :) haha.]]> 2009-10-21T17:41:21Z nsheen@csulb.edu Nicoal 71.105.23.101 wp_id=230145;date=2009-10-23 12:13:20-04:00
It is you that is naive if you think AR groups are always non violent, there is no such thing as a non violent arson, car bomb or death threat all of which the ALF has done.]]> 2009-10-23T16:13:20Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=230758;date=2009-10-31 14:07:14-04:00 from a torture center 'vandalism'

Fruitarian]]> 2009-10-31T18:07:14Z animalrights108@aim.com Fruitarian 66.213.114.164 wp_id=231365;date=2009-11-11 13:46:30-05:00
http://supportcarrie.files.wor...]]> 2009-11-11T18:46:30Z democracyisntfreedom@gmail.com rose 75.161.145.219 wp_id=231374;date=2009-11-11 18:54:15-05:00 here. The TC Indymedia write-up is here.

Please support them both. Thanks.]]> 2009-11-11T23:54:15Z ludditerobot@riseup.net ludditerobot 75.73.50.136 wp_id=232339;date=2009-11-28 21:20:59-05:00
Carrie Feldman is still being held on civil contempt and needs our support and solidarity. She’ll remain in custody over the long weekend as state officials enjoy time with their families. We can’t let them go back to an easy work day come Monday while they continue to hold our friend in civil contempt for taking a principled stand against state repression!

THIS MONDAY, November 30, CALL IN to Cronk’s boss, US Attorney Nicholas Klinefeldt, from 9am to 4pm to demand that they dismiss Carrie’s subpoena and release her immediately.

Monday November 30, 9am-4pm CST, (515) 473-9300

In the hearings so far, Cronk has attempted to use our statements of support against Carrie and Scott by twisting our words and arguing that using our right to free speech and to petition the government for a redress of grievances is a reflection of their bad moral character. Ridiculous, we know. While his arguments haven’t met with much success yet, we don’t need to give him anything with which to hurt our friends.

When you call in to demand Carrie’s release, please follow the sample script below and don’t allow them to trick you into saying something that they can twist around to hurt her:

*sample script*
Mr. Klinefeldt, I am calling to express my concern about the continued detention of Carrie Feldman for her refusal to testify to a grand jury in Davenport initiated by your Assistant US Attorney, Cliff Cronk. This grand jury is being used to investigate political activity, and by extension her refusal to cooperate makes her a political prisoner. She will continue to refuse to answer questions regardless of her detention, so her incarceration for civil contempt becomes a punitive action. I urge you to release Carrie Feldman from jail immediately.

Don’t forget to call Klinefeldt between 9am and 4pm on Monday! And get your friends to call too!]]> 2009-11-29T02:20:59Z ewok@riseup.net davenportgrandjury.wordpress.c 71.215.230.86 wp_id=230044;date=2009-10-21 09:16:38-04:00 2009-10-21T13:16:38Z michael@farmusa.org Michael A. Weber 71.178.225.197 wp_id=230045;date=2009-10-21 09:20:00-04:00 2009-10-21T13:20:00Z gary@compassion4animals.org Gary 173.79.125.21 wp_id=230046;date=2009-10-21 09:35:37-04:00 Ha. Yeah, I spent a long time trying to dig up as many corroborating articles/stories/videos on this as I could, because when I saw it I actually thought (hoped?) it was a hoax.]]> 2009-10-21T13:35:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=230058;date=2009-10-21 15:55:17-04:00 2009-10-21T19:55:17Z baily2@optonline.net matt 216.83.104.124 wp_id=230059;date=2009-10-21 15:56:58-04:00
Apparently you're only labeled a terrorist when you threaten the status quo. In this case the shooters were simply upholding the status quo by violently attacking those that peacefully threaten it. I wouldn't be surprised if the shooters, instead of being labeled terrorists, were given medals of honor or are recruited into a government agency for their part in this incident.]]> 2009-10-21T19:56:58Z mutual_concepts@yahoo.com L 65.126.30.230 wp_id=230068;date=2009-10-21 19:06:56-04:00 2009-10-21T23:06:56Z helilightenmeup@hotmail.com Trish 71.131.130.134 wp_id=230080;date=2009-10-22 00:57:18-04:00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
After that, we all hit the ground, called 911.
The next day, the store owner, Scott Lee, told one of our undercovers he would "shoot us all."

We came back to his store, 50 strong last Saturday.
Here we are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
We need help, support from our community.]]> 2009-10-22T04:57:18Z hollywoodjinky@gmail.com carole davis 76.208.158.63 wp_id=230081;date=2009-10-22 01:03:08-04:00
I just found your blog for the first time and love it! Much needed! Will visit every day! Keep up the great work!]]> 2009-10-22T05:03:08Z carlylyn@gmail.com Carly 98.154.251.220 wp_id=230096;date=2009-10-22 09:40:04-04:00 2009-10-22T13:40:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=230098;date=2009-10-22 09:50:40-04:00 2009-10-22T13:50:40Z wharry3@gmail.com Carole 71.105.89.6 wp_id=230103;date=2009-10-22 11:26:49-04:00 2009-10-22T15:26:49Z isnotjoe@anonymous.disqus.net Isnotjoe 129.64.194.78 wp_id=230105;date=2009-10-22 12:48:02-04:00 2009-10-22T16:48:02Z devils_advocate@anonymous.disqus.net Devil's Advocate 98.246.106.29 wp_id=230109;date=2009-10-22 13:10:53-04:00 2009-10-22T17:10:53Z helilightenmeup@hotmail.com Trish 71.131.130.134 wp_id=230112;date=2009-10-22 13:55:33-04:00 2009-10-22T17:55:33Z hollywoodjinky@gmail.com carole davis 76.208.158.63 wp_id=230116;date=2009-10-22 15:46:01-04:00 2009-10-22T19:46:01Z carlylyn@gmail.com Carly 98.154.251.220 wp_id=230119;date=2009-10-22 17:07:47-04:00 2009-10-22T21:07:47Z cubestar@gmail.com cubestar 72.11.84.170 wp_id=230143;date=2009-10-23 10:52:44-04:00 2009-10-23T14:52:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=230144;date=2009-10-23 12:07:36-04:00
How do we know that the protesters didn't shoot at themselves just to get attention? It is just the kind of stunt PETA would pull maybe this group has peta people in it.]]> 2009-10-23T16:07:36Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=230169;date=2009-10-23 19:50:09-04:00 2009-10-23T23:50:09Z carlylyn@gmail.com Carly 98.154.251.220 wp_id=230245;date=2009-10-25 15:01:49-04:00
Because this one was. Not quite as elaborate as Balloon Boy, but still staged.

Why would a sniper be using a BB gun and aiming at crotches, then only do three shots into a dumb crowd or many more?

Why is there no pictures of wounds, or BBs?

Why is there no indication of where the shots came from?

Why the insistence that they were shot with a 2mm bullet, when there hasn’t been a 2mm bullet weapon made since before WWII?

Why call a BB a bullet when they aren’t even the same thing?

Sorry, but had this been a real event instead of a bogus claim by a convicted sex offender (Buck), then it would have been more than three shots, using real bullets, with real wounds in heads and chests instead of crotches, and we would have had plenty of photographic evidence by the attention-seeking protesting numbskulls to that effect. Instead we get three claims of crotch shots, reports of shots which were probably fired in the air, and a couple of conveniently “found” BBs. And a bunch of hysterics by fools devoid of any common sense or understanding of firearms or planning and execution of a good hoax.

This is the animal rights movement, folks, in full operation–stupid, loud, inept, dangerous, and did I mention stupid?

I also find it badly ironic that groups with known ties to terrorist groups like the ALF and ALB are crying terrorism themselves. That’s like the wolf claiming they’re victims of the lambs.]]> 2009-10-25T19:01:49Z gb@msn.com dogsrgr8 71.246.41.159 wp_id=230354;date=2009-10-26 21:05:17-04:00
Ask why that young lady was MURDERED at Yale??? Animal Rights agenda!!!! Ask WHY they hushed it up??? H$U$'s money!!!!]]> 2009-10-27T01:05:17Z katiedid.dandies@roadrunner.com Animal Lover 76.175.207.172 wp_id=230418;date=2009-10-27 13:26:10-04:00 2009-10-27T17:26:10Z thirtythirtysix@yahoo.com Abel 64.252.121.53 wp_id=230586;date=2009-10-29 13:50:22-04:00 down to one word:money.]]> 2009-10-29T17:50:22Z alana@anonymous.disqus.net Alana 166.137.135.184 wp_id=230587;date=2009-10-29 13:53:09-04:00 This event was not PETA. Further, saying that PETA has "given money to kill people who work at animal testing facilities" is absurd. Please provide any evidence of such a claim.]]> 2009-10-29T17:53:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=230597;date=2009-10-29 17:04:19-04:00 2009-10-29T21:04:19Z baily2@optonline.net matt 216.83.104.124 wp_id=230613;date=2009-10-29 20:00:06-04:00 2009-10-30T00:00:06Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=230716;date=2009-10-31 01:45:06-04:00 http://twitter.com/capsweb/sta...

And therefore, the protest for Saturday, 10/31 was canceled.]]> 2009-10-31T05:45:06Z none@sorry.com via CAPS 76.91.111.152 wp_id=231061;date=2009-11-05 21:28:28-05:00
"The owner of that fur farm obviously released those 500 mink just to get attention!"

"If this were -really- done by animal rights people, they would have released all 2,000 mink. Clearly this was staged!"

"Why would an animal activist spraypaint graffiti on the outside of that lab when they could have knifed everyone that came out of the building? Obviously a poorly planned hoax!!"

Then again... maybe not. :)]]> 2009-11-06T02:28:28Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.66.139 wp_id=230147;date=2009-10-23 12:16:00-04:00 2009-10-23T16:16:00Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=230148;date=2009-10-23 13:11:31-04:00 2009-10-23T17:11:31Z cailc_@hotmail.com Roy 24.9.163.96 wp_id=230151;date=2009-10-23 13:35:43-04:00 2009-10-23T17:35:43Z aea@anonymous.disqus.net Aea 209.139.211.224 wp_id=230156;date=2009-10-23 14:44:53-04:00
Quibble: "if the Japanese thought"... all Japanese people? Don't you mean "if the Japanese whalers thought"?]]> 2009-10-23T18:44:53Z ansel@riseup.net ansel 200.4.161.48 wp_id=230161;date=2009-10-23 16:08:41-04:00 2009-10-23T20:08:41Z g@anonymous.disqus.net g 69.158.147.6 wp_id=230162;date=2009-10-23 16:25:08-04:00 2009-10-23T20:25:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=230163;date=2009-10-23 16:30:16-04:00 2009-10-23T20:30:16Z venom_188@hotmail.com Robbie 173.183.167.34 wp_id=230166;date=2009-10-23 17:52:47-04:00 2009-10-23T21:52:47Z ithinkjoeisapaidtroll@anonymous.disqus.net IThinkJoeIsAPaidTroll 166.70.54.115 wp_id=230206;date=2009-10-24 13:59:39-04:00
And before you respond to this, think first that I am actually *encouraging* you to continue your Great Cause. Yes, do it.]]> 2009-10-24T17:59:39Z sure@anonymous.disqus.net Sure 209.139.211.224 wp_id=230223;date=2009-10-24 22:58:58-04:00
Then don't whine when we win, because it will be all your fault. Can you live with that?]]> 2009-10-25T02:58:58Z stevian1@yahoo.som.au Steve 120.16.161.218 wp_id=230240;date=2009-10-25 12:36:30-04:00 2009-10-25T16:36:30Z arthursmilios@yahoo.com Vegan Socialist 69.203.211.160 wp_id=230283;date=2009-10-26 00:42:55-04:00 2009-10-26T04:42:55Z benjaminbateman@hotmail.com Ben Bateman 173.183.3.185 wp_id=230610;date=2009-10-29 19:42:32-04:00 2009-10-29T23:42:32Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=231069;date=2009-11-06 00:23:33-05:00 You are fucking hilarious.


I will agree that the Sea Shepherds are absolutely bat-shit crazy, but I don't see any haters who claim to "care about whales" doing shit for them. Greenpeace's "protest" of the whaling activities are a joke; it's only Paul Watson's crew that puts fear in the hearts of Japanese whalers.]]> 2009-11-06T05:23:33Z shadowsullivan@verizon.net Joe's Parole Officer 72.81.219.8 wp_id=232827;date=2009-12-03 14:34:32-05:00 2009-12-03T19:34:32Z gideon@dogmad.com Dog Gift 81.153.27.216 wp_id=233496;date=2009-12-14 16:42:42-05:00 2009-12-14T21:42:42Z beset@earthclick.net Beset 216.151.13.108 wp_id=230420;date=2009-10-27 13:46:52-04:00 2009-10-27T17:46:52Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 170.63.96.108 wp_id=231204;date=2009-11-07 21:18:49-05:00 2009-11-08T02:18:49Z tomonroad@yahoo.com libhomo 24.168.17.32 wp_id=230485;date=2009-10-28 09:42:27-04:00 2009-10-28T13:42:27Z mpomo@yahoo.com md 65.244.170.30 wp_id=230500;date=2009-10-28 12:47:35-04:00
So scary, they know we have the truth on our side and it is scaring the living shit out of them...]]> 2009-10-28T16:47:35Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 170.63.96.108 wp_id=230535;date=2009-10-28 21:24:45-04:00 2009-10-29T01:24:45Z elaine@elainevigneault.com Elaine Vigneault 68.96.98.58 wp_id=230761;date=2009-10-31 15:04:03-04:00
Most often though, they respond with "if" the allegations are true... or infer to "alleged" problems, as if someone would actually need to doctor a video the way they set up their "presentations" for public scrutiny. It's really sickening.

Great timing on this post as Huffingtonpost's Mikko Alanne
links to here regarding the AETA and JS Foer. If enough people can learn... maybe things can change.

Thanks for all you do!]]> 2009-10-31T19:04:03Z bea.elliott@verizon.net Bea Elliott 71.101.42.48 wp_id=230763;date=2009-10-31 15:05:37-04:00 2009-10-31T19:05:37Z bea.elliott@verizon.net Bea Elliott 71.101.42.48 wp_id=230983;date=2009-11-03 16:53:03-05:00 2009-11-03T21:53:03Z dtnt@hotmail.com Denis Alexander 164.67.77.222 wp_id=231548;date=2009-11-17 20:35:06-05:00 2009-11-18T01:35:06Z uta@anonymous.disqus.net Uta 64.188.184.164 wp_id=232454;date=2009-11-30 11:26:11-05:00 "...harass and intimidate those that disagree with them": Isn't that precisely what the AETA is intended to do to the animal rights community? If you disagree, the implication is that the minority group cannot be terrorized, but this begs the question from the outset.]]> 2009-11-30T16:26:11Z alex@anonymous.disqus.net Alex 216.0.118.159 wp_id=233350;date=2009-12-11 15:30:40-05:00 2009-12-11T20:30:40Z nascar09knowhow@gmail.com Matt 209.217.197.159 wp_id=233938;date=2009-12-23 14:51:32-05:00 2009-12-23T19:51:32Z bcdrac@mts.net Bruce Dracass 205.200.59.130 wp_id=231671;date=2009-11-20 14:15:00-05:00 someone just raised this issue to me: since the Iowa action was in 2004, shouldn't the Animal Enterprise Protection Act apply over AETA? Since both had the same US code, it seems like just by looking at the indictment so far we wouldn't be able to tell which the prosecution was using. It would probably just be a nominal thing affecting the possible prison time, but... any thoughts on that?]]> 2009-11-20T19:15:00Z bjhokanson@gmail.com haloka 75.72.186.185 wp_id=231673;date=2009-11-20 14:24:11-05:00 I've been following this because I know Scott, and my sister was acquainted with Carrie, and this whole thing is just ridiculous.]]> 2009-11-20T19:24:11Z democracyisntfreedom@gmail.com rose 75.161.146.220 wp_id=231674;date=2009-11-20 14:38:10-05:00 That's a good point, and I should have made that more clear in the post. My comments about the provisions listed in the indictment would apply regardless, but under the AETA the penalty is up to 5 years, and under the 2004 version it was up to 3 years.

As far as which would apply: I think we'll have to wait and see. If the government maintains that the conspiracy took place during that period in 2004, it's pretty clear it would have to be the previous version. I am not an attorney, but it is exceedingly rare that a court allows ex post facto application of increased penalties. However, the indictment doesn't firmly put an end date on it, and I wouldn't be surprised if the prosecution is looking to expand this case, and add in others.

In hindsight I don't think I should have headlined the post this way. It's clear that these are "animal enterprise terrorism" charges, but it's not clear if it is officially part of the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. Thanks for your comment.]]> 2009-11-20T19:38:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.114.1.79 wp_id=231675;date=2009-11-20 15:00:27-05:00
one of those nuances - i was thinking the AETA would mandate 10 years, actually -

(3) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, if--
(A) the offense results in economic damage exceeding $100,000 [which the Iowa action did - unless he's just charged with making threats, in which case how they would figure the amount, who knows - so I guess you're right, the only thing is to wait and see]

Although, all this is really just semantics for the sake of arguing how ridiculous AETA is, since we're going to beat these bullshit charges if they even stick.]]> 2009-11-20T20:00:27Z bjhokanson@gmail.com haloka 75.72.186.185 wp_id=231680;date=2009-11-20 16:45:28-05:00
Well, again the depends :) In the indictment, it says $10,000. That might be an error, or it might not.

I think all of this really hits home one of the biggest problems with the law (the new AETA, and the previous version) in that it is so vague and overly broad.]]> 2009-11-20T21:45:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.114.1.79 wp_id=231758;date=2009-11-21 10:59:42-05:00 2009-11-21T15:59:42Z support_committee@anonymous.disqus.net support committee 75.72.205.28 wp_id=231760;date=2009-11-21 11:39:19-05:00 2009-11-21T16:39:19Z vegetablesforbreakfast@gmail.com marsupial 71.181.124.252 wp_id=231761;date=2009-11-21 11:59:22-05:00 2009-11-21T16:59:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 68.246.196.139 wp_id=232010;date=2009-11-25 00:17:51-05:00 2009-11-25T05:17:51Z arthursmilios@yahoo.com Vegan Socialist 208.54.87.69 wp_id=232334;date=2009-11-28 19:30:45-05:00 2009-11-29T00:30:45Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 76.15.55.140 wp_id=232382;date=2009-11-29 11:06:16-05:00 2009-11-29T16:06:16Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 68.51.111.22 wp_id=232406;date=2009-11-29 19:00:53-05:00
XXX]]> 2009-11-30T00:00:53Z striaght_edge@anonymous.disqus.net Striaght Edge 76.23.15.9 wp_id=232414;date=2009-11-29 21:34:26-05:00 2009-11-30T02:34:26Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 192.102.239.195 wp_id=232415;date=2009-11-29 21:45:59-05:00 2009-11-30T02:45:59Z m_snacks@anonymous.disqus.net M. Snacks 68.48.89.250 wp_id=232451;date=2009-11-30 09:02:56-05:00
I am technically edge (I drink coffee though) but it's because I have had drug problems in the past. Haven't touched a thing in 5 years. But, I can't guarantee that if I was in China, on the run from the law, and just trying to survive that I would not sell something as harmless as pot. Who gives a shit? The guy is being unjustly and royally fucked by the state in multiple countries for no good reason. By focusing on the "he shoulda been sXe" during this, people are kinda doing the state's work for them.

Justin has my solidarity and support. I don't care if he's shooting heroin, he'll have it until he's free. Poverty and addiction often go hand in hand. Addiction is a disease that may begin with a choice but it is much more than that.

Let's hope Justin gets out asap.]]> 2009-11-30T14:02:56Z arphilosophy@gmail.com Corvus 24.131.94.130 wp_id=232504;date=2009-11-30 18:15:52-05:00 2009-11-30T23:15:52Z baily2@optonline.net matt 209.212.1.202 wp_id=232618;date=2009-12-01 16:49:26-05:00 2009-12-01T21:49:26Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.24.243 wp_id=234058;date=2009-12-27 02:17:07-05:00 2009-12-27T07:17:07Z jersey_fresh@anonymous.disqus.net Jersey Fresh 98.246.104.89 wp_id=234090;date=2009-12-28 08:48:33-05:00 2009-12-28T13:48:33Z leslie_james_pickering@anonymous.disqus.net leslie james pickering 129.44.133.66 wp_id=234293;date=2010-01-02 15:45:34-05:00 2010-01-02T20:45:34Z bcdrac@mts.net bruce 205.200.59.181 wp_id=232452;date=2009-11-30 09:49:16-05:00 2009-11-30T14:49:16Z jordan@anonymous.disqus.net Jordan 166.137.134.52 wp_id=232455;date=2009-11-30 11:28:40-05:00 2009-11-30T16:28:40Z alex@anonymous.disqus.net Alex 216.0.118.159 wp_id=232457;date=2009-11-30 11:43:12-05:00
Don't let the government and capitalist industry silence us. We must speak out against unjust attacks on free expression and continue to advocate veganism and animal rights. Other animals are counting on us to be their voice for freedom and liberation.]]> 2009-11-30T16:43:12Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker 64.128.215.178 wp_id=232463;date=2009-11-30 12:59:59-05:00
Rise, Resist, Revolt! (but HOW?)]]> 2009-11-30T17:59:59Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 146.243.4.157 wp_id=232465;date=2009-11-30 13:05:58-05:00 2009-11-30T18:05:58Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=232467;date=2009-11-30 13:09:34-05:00 2009-11-30T18:09:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232468;date=2009-11-30 13:11:59-05:00 2009-11-30T18:11:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232473;date=2009-11-30 13:29:07-05:00
Why is anyone surprised at the USDA form? Most of the groups on that list have committed very serious crimes. While PETA has not taken credit for any bombings that I know of, they have given money to the ALF and its members knowing full well what the group was doing.]]> 2009-11-30T18:29:07Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=232475;date=2009-11-30 14:08:52-05:00
PETA has never given money to anything like that. The FBI had a case file open for years on PETA, and probably still does, which included surveillance and infiltration. It turned up nothing. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G...]]> 2009-11-30T19:08:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232478;date=2009-11-30 14:38:17-05:00 2009-11-30T19:38:17Z arphilosophy@gmail.com Corvus 130.49.139.143 wp_id=232479;date=2009-11-30 14:38:19-05:00 2009-11-30T19:38:19Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.24.243 wp_id=232483;date=2009-11-30 15:28:05-05:00
Words are a combination of sounds that are constructed to convey meanings. Like all words, "violence" and "terrorism" have specific meanings that are meant to convey specific ideas and concepts. Unfortunately, these two words are frequently used as placeholders for any behavior that an individual or group doesn't like, rather than to describe specific acts that fit their meanings.

Lets look at the word "violence" for example. Dr. Gene Sharp, one of the world's foremost scholars on nonviolence and advocates of nonviolent activism defines violence as "physical violence against persons to inflict injury or death, or action dependent on the threat of such results, not as a term of moral or political opinion." Some activists in the movement may engage in activity that is illegal, or even destructive to property, but none of the organizations being discussed here have harmed anyone or have implied that they would ever harm anyone. In fact, they are all patently nonviolent and eschew the use of physical violence against humans and non-humans.

Similarly, the term "terrorism" has a meaning, although there is no universally agreed upon definition. However, one aspect of terrorism that is almost universally recognized in academic circles (and I say "academic" specifically because the legal definition of terrorism in the U.S. has been so adulterated that it barely differentiates between a peaceful protest and a pipe bomb) is that the term is meant to define violent or physically threatening acts that are directed SPECIFICALLY at noncombatants (innocent civilians, the general public) with the intent of inciting fear and advancing a political agenda. Now, since we established above that tactics used by the AR movement do not harm and are not meant to harm people, and the property destruction and protests undertaken by the movement are directed at people who harm animals for a living (or facilitate and profit from it)- not random members of the public- the terms above don't seem to fit. These activities may be a lot of things, but they aren't violence or terrorism, and continuing to label them as such degrades the true meanings of these terms and the plight of the victims of true violence and terrorism.

To suggest that PETA, which has worked to expose violence against animals in the experimentation, food, clothing and entertainment industries and to deliver animals from suffering through legal and peaceful -albeit often colorful- means, is "terrorist", but that individuals and companies that commit physical violence against animals are simply "people who have done nothing wrong" just doesn't make any sense.]]> 2009-11-30T20:28:05Z justing@peta.org Justin Goodman 173.73.131.176 wp_id=232484;date=2009-11-30 15:30:43-05:00
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy]]> 2009-11-30T20:30:43Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 170.63.96.108 wp_id=232485;date=2009-11-30 15:33:07-05:00 2009-11-30T20:33:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232494;date=2009-11-30 17:17:41-05:00 2009-11-30T22:17:41Z mpomo@yahoo.com md 65.244.170.30 wp_id=232503;date=2009-11-30 18:11:38-05:00
I agree with Alex and Liberationnow. This confirms too things. First that corporate/state oppression is getting scarier by the minute and second that even though some pseudo-abolitionists are trying very hard to discredit them, PETA is effectively fighting exploiters. And yes, direct action is working indeed. On the other hand, consumerist approach (one vegan by one vegan push) is of no threat to their murderous profits. For every new vegan consumer thousands of non-vegan consumers are born every minute and all support the same destructive genocidal system.

What can we do? For a starter support these groups on the USDA list. Also I think a new "Manifesto for Radical Abolitionism: Total Liberation by Any Means Necessary" http://thomaspainescorner.word.../ by Steven Best and the Facebook group http://www.facebook.com/group.... created around it sounds promising. As for the lifestyle: Go freegan and don't reproduce.]]> 2009-11-30T23:11:38Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=232509;date=2009-11-30 19:57:25-05:00 2009-12-01T00:57:25Z cetude@yahoo.com Luke Thomas 71.101.61.12 wp_id=232510;date=2009-11-30 19:58:56-05:00 2009-12-01T00:58:56Z cetude@yahoo.com Luke Thomas 71.101.61.12 wp_id=232513;date=2009-11-30 20:31:42-05:00
Lets say your definition of terrorism is right and its only a terrorist act when someone is killed, (which according to Liberationnow will be any day now). Would it be terrorism then? Most likely when that happens and some dedicated researcher is killed by a terrorist bomb there will be a redefining of the word terrorism by AR groups to exclude that death.


PETA has a close connection to ALF and does fund them. PETA has given $2,000 to David Wilson, then a national ALF "spokesperson." The group paid $27,000 for the legal defense of Roger Troen, who was arrested for taking part in a burglary and arson at the University of Oregon. It gave $7,500 to Fran Stephanie Trutt, who tried to murder the president of a medical laboratory. It gave $5,000 to Josh Harper, who attacked Native Americans on a whale hunt by throwing smoke bombs, shooting flares, and spraying their faces with chemical fire extinguishers. Lets not forget the $70,000 given to Rod Coronado for his defense for committing a multi-million-dollar arson at Michigan State University.]]> 2009-12-01T01:31:42Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=232514;date=2009-11-30 20:35:43-05:00
Joe: Are you seriously equating legal defense with bombing? It's really frightening where people like you are taking this country. Not only do you completely misrepresent all of those cases (please post any info you have on Harper spraying anyone in the face with chemicals) but to say that contributing to the right of any defendant to have representation and a fair trial is "terrorism"?]]> 2009-12-01T01:35:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.63.49.115 wp_id=232515;date=2009-11-30 20:38:57-05:00 2009-12-01T01:38:57Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 69.143.209.85 wp_id=232516;date=2009-11-30 20:42:33-05:00 2009-12-01T01:42:33Z anonymous@anonymous.disqus.net Anonymous 69.143.209.85 wp_id=232518;date=2009-11-30 20:51:51-05:00
PETA runs on donated money, people who donate to PETA think their money is going to be used to save animals when in fact some goes to help terrorist groups.]]> 2009-12-01T01:51:51Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=232524;date=2009-11-30 21:31:59-05:00 2009-12-01T02:31:59Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 192.102.239.195 wp_id=232525;date=2009-11-30 21:39:12-05:00 2009-12-01T02:39:12Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=232527;date=2009-11-30 22:11:28-05:00 2009-12-01T03:11:28Z wildtimber2112@aol.com Colleen 207.172.244.181 wp_id=232529;date=2009-11-30 22:25:28-05:00 2009-12-01T03:25:28Z patriots5412@gmail.com Zach 216.164.183.33 wp_id=232530;date=2009-11-30 22:54:59-05:00 2009-12-01T03:54:59Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=232534;date=2009-11-30 23:26:36-05:00 2009-12-01T04:26:36Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 192.102.239.195 wp_id=232540;date=2009-12-01 02:00:11-05:00 2009-12-01T07:00:11Z kansinee.a@gmail.com catsinee 76.234.121.104 wp_id=232542;date=2009-12-01 02:15:01-05:00 — John F. Kennedy

To radicalize a peaceful movement is to ignore, disenfranchise and repress it. Speciesist lunatics wield the word 'terrorist' like the bloody knife of a wild-eyed slasher; taking down innocent victims based on politically corrupt, delusional epiphanies. If the AR movement continues to turn a blind eye, refusing to acknowledge the consequences of such corp/govt extremism, it is inevitable that an all out war between those set on destroying our planet and those committed to saving it, is at hand.]]> 2009-12-01T07:15:01Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.216.63 wp_id=232565;date=2009-12-01 08:32:05-05:00
I was thinking the same. If this is defamation in legal terms (I am not sure that it is), it would be great to see a major libel law suit initiated by PETA against USDA going all the way to the Supreme Court. PETA usually does a great job in taking advantage of a controversy and getting spotlight on this absurd labeling of AR activists as terrorist is a must. I guess PETA know about this USDA accusation?]]> 2009-12-01T13:32:05Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=232598;date=2009-12-01 14:02:24-05:00 2009-12-01T19:02:24Z cognitivejuan@gmail.com cognitivejuan 66.184.224.82 wp_id=232600;date=2009-12-01 14:29:47-05:00 2009-12-01T19:29:47Z delgadorox@yahoo.com roxanne 68.199.138.180 wp_id=232601;date=2009-12-01 14:37:04-05:00
Hey, you are so wrong, amigo. A lot of the vaccine that were harmful to humans were unharmful to animals and vice versa. We are different species and don't contract the same diseases in the same manner. AIDS is a good example. BILLIONS AND BILLIONS used to torture primates and yet no cure. Do you know why? Because monkeys don't contract AIDS via intercourse. duh. they are different species. they may have 98 DNA as ours but a DIFFERENT mapping. Please educate yourself. The more money wasted on torturing animals, the more humans will die. KARMA]]> 2009-12-01T19:37:04Z delgadorox@yahoo.com roxanne 68.199.138.180 wp_id=232602;date=2009-12-01 14:38:47-05:00 2009-12-01T19:38:47Z jimmvera@aol.com Vera 68.199.138.180 wp_id=232607;date=2009-12-01 15:40:32-05:00 So.....they support direct action and they are "a bunch of hypocrites"....and that's your rational explanation for why they should be considered a terrorist group? I can pretty much guarantee that all of your "facts" were pulled off of petasucks.com which you probably failed to realize if run by the Center for Consumer Freedom. The CCF, by the way, is a PR firm paid for by the meat, alcohol, and tobacco industries. When they get spare time from their anti-AR campaigns, they contribute to society by condemning Mothers Against Drunk Driving and promoting fast food and high fructose corn syrup.
To everyone else,
Is it just me, or is one of the hardest parts of being an animal rights activists the fact that you have to deal with masses of people who have the cognitive abilities of 3rd graders?]]> 2009-12-01T20:40:32Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.24.243 wp_id=232609;date=2009-12-01 15:56:10-05:00
Do some more research and present both sides of the issue next time.]]> 2009-12-01T20:56:10Z jrazee@wpi.edu jarsra 130.215.170.61 wp_id=232610;date=2009-12-01 16:03:44-05:00
PS: Speaking of doing some research, it is Rod Coronado, not Ray.]]> 2009-12-01T21:03:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232612;date=2009-12-01 16:13:47-05:00
If anyone has the cognitive facilities of a third-grader, it's some of the AR activists who have this distorted, white-knight, purity-and-innocence delusion going. We're not noble heroes and champions upholding law and morality; we are - let's be honest for a moment, however briefly - a small but vocal fringe of disaffected idealists who do what needs doing, rather than what's right or pretty or noble or legal. Sometimes, that involves terrorism, and things that most people who aren't anal-retentive, emotionally-insecure sophists would label violence. If we put half as much effort into arguing the importance, the necessity of what we do as we put into arguing about the semantics of what we do, we wouldn't be a small fringe on the edge of society any longer...]]> 2009-12-01T21:13:47Z bouchie@hatesyouall.co.uk Bouchie 216.245.210.206 wp_id=232613;date=2009-12-01 16:20:45-05:00
Where the hell has anyone said that blowing something up is a First Amendment issue? Where in the world are you getting that?

It may be convenient for you to say "so what" and end any discussion of what the word terrorism means, but I hope to God other people in this country are not so reckless. The definition matters. You may have no problem with expanding it to include animal rights activists, but if this continues, they will not be the last.]]> 2009-12-01T21:20:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232614;date=2009-12-01 16:30:22-05:00 Maybe I'm just dumb (and, yes, I realize that I've now opened the door for that comment)....but wasn't Rod acting under the banner of the ALF? I know it's a weird question, but it just struck me as odd when I read your comment that PETA supported Rod AND "much more dangerous groups such as the ALF"....Rod was convicted of arson and property destruction which, I assume, are the types of actions you would refer to when making your claim of the ALF being a terrorist group. Because, with no fatalities or serious injuries in the ALF's (more than 25 year) history...That's pretty much all you've got.]]> 2009-12-01T21:30:22Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.24.243 wp_id=232631;date=2009-12-01 18:01:47-05:00
I kind of fell out of reading this blog, and got more heavily into setting google alerts for things that are animal rights related. It is nice to come here and see people who actually stand up for the movement and people like Joe are the minority. Even better still is that instead of engaging in some kind of namecalling debate things are 99% civil.

Although I pretty much find it grating and offensive to post any CCF drivel..!]]> 2009-12-01T23:01:47Z lollerloller@gmail.com Scott 216.54.29.253 wp_id=232636;date=2009-12-01 19:33:31-05:00 http://www.foxnews.com/enterta...]]> 2009-12-02T00:33:31Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=232646;date=2009-12-01 20:34:47-05:00 2009-12-02T01:34:47Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.125.159.35 wp_id=232655;date=2009-12-01 23:53:31-05:00 2009-12-02T04:53:31Z susanhoppler@msn.com Susan Hoppler 97.126.88.95 wp_id=232656;date=2009-12-01 23:57:07-05:00 2009-12-02T04:57:07Z susanhoppler@msn.com Susan Hoppler 97.126.88.95 wp_id=232694;date=2009-12-02 08:26:42-05:00
--I recently posted about the Animal Agriculture Alliance calling for federal prosecution of undercover investigators. It’s not because the investigators are violent. It is because they pose an even greater threat: educating the public. --

Interesting how this is an awful awful thing when it's the animal rights folks going to court. Yet, PeTA did pretty much the same thing when Feld Entertainment sent "undercover investigators" to Norfolk. (BTW, PeTA lost that suit)

http://www.peta.org/mc/NewsIte...
http://www.wtopnews.com/index....

Why is it that PeTA and their cohorts should be given every opportunity to "infiltrate" and "document" other companies, but when it comes to anyone seeing behind THEIR closed doors, it's an outrage?

I'd give PeTA and their "investigators" a lot more credit if they'd make raw footage available, instead of editing 100 hours worth of footage into a 45 second clip.]]> 2009-12-02T13:26:42Z carolyninthecity@gmail.com Badattituud 207.144.124.213 wp_id=232698;date=2009-12-02 09:24:19-05:00 you only have one example and you GREATLY exaggerated it. I doubt the population of primates ever reached the billions. Hell if you ever read the book you would know that billions and billions isn't even a real number. I find it kind of insulting that you would use it as a reference. Carl Sagan was a true AR sympathizer not some PETA crazy.
Lin,
So you ASSUME I got my information from some site and then try to make a point of it? That makes no sense. The information I used was from interviews given by the VP of peta herself. Not some corporate funded website, but from your idol.

The simple fact of the matter is that peta acts like they are doing something good. When they're not. They're just as bad as any other group ran by a zealot with one sided beliefs. If they really cared then they would be more outspoken with large protests which would actually cost them money. They on the other hand only support small demonstrations that don't cost them money but actually raise donations. Is good old Ingrid Newkirk touring around raising awareness? No she's taking vacations and smoozing with celebrities. Formula 1 racing is one of her favorite past times. No car, car pollution, or racing has ever hurt an animal? Yeah right. Double standards through and through. What if I was some crazy environmentalist? Does that give me the right to treat her like the people her group harrases? If the animals have just as much rights as humans why not plants? They have yet to define why if humans aren't higher in the food chain than animals. Then why are animals higher than plants? There are plants that have a higher level of sentience than some animals. I would suggest you read about plant neurobiology but then I would be afraid you would stop eating all together.]]> 2009-12-02T14:24:19Z cognitivejuan@gmail.com cognitivejuan 66.184.224.82 wp_id=232702;date=2009-12-02 09:58:52-05:00
They are two very different scenarios.

One involved undercover investigators exposing and investigating animal welfare violations, and holding those individuals accountable for breaking the law.

The other, by Ringling, involves operating outside of the law to disrupt political activities in order to protect profits.

They are not comparable.]]> 2009-12-02T14:58:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232708;date=2009-12-02 11:12:43-05:00 Interesting...could you possibly post a link to this captivating interview where the VP of PETA said that "PETA is a terrorist group. They funnel money towards “direct action” groups which means they support this sort of activity, They themselves have been involved in many illegal activities."? That would be really interesting to read I can definitely post link to the CCF articles which use your wording almost VERBATIM.
And referring to anyone at PETA as my "idol" is so ridiculous that it deserves almost no response at all. I don't have to idolize a person or an organization to defend them against accusations of being a "terrorist".]]> 2009-12-02T16:12:43Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.24.243 wp_id=232713;date=2009-12-02 11:59:09-05:00
But all this aside... PETA, ALF etc. are freedom fighters and have never injured or killed any of these torturers/murderers in the process as it's been pointed out over and over.]]> 2009-12-02T16:59:09Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=232716;date=2009-12-02 13:07:34-05:00 The interview was in a Glamour magazine in 1990 so of course there aren't any links but there are plenty of sites that quote it and just as many peta supporting sites that admit to it. Their defense is that since the research is already done there's no reason why she shouldn't be able to take advantage of it. So they're saying that if your disease hasn't already been cured, too bad, they don't care about you. I've never heard of or been to this CCF site so if you i'm quoting them so directly maybe it's because it's the logical conclusion I don't know. Like I said I've never been there. I am pro animal rights but peta is a fundamentalist group. I am not pro fundamentalist. I don't know why I'm even responding it's not like you are making a real point anyway. You've never even touched on why you think peta is good organization or why peta shouldn't be harassed for their anti environment stance. I'm sorry that my ideals concern far more than just animals or people for that matter. Which is why I don't believe in thwarting all progress that could come from animal testing. Ingrid Newkirk once asked "Would you be opposed to experiments on your daughter if you knew it would save fifty million people?" and my answer is yes. It is always about the greater good. I would readily give my own life if it saved just 2 or even one that was more productive than mine.]]> 2009-12-02T18:07:34Z cognitivejuan@gmail.com cognitivejuan 66.184.224.82 wp_id=232717;date=2009-12-02 13:11:11-05:00 http://www.consumerfreedom.com...]]> 2009-12-02T18:11:11Z cognitivejuan@gmail.com cognitivejuan 66.184.224.82 wp_id=232719;date=2009-12-02 13:17:18-05:00 2009-12-02T18:17:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232720;date=2009-12-02 13:31:31-05:00 2009-12-02T18:31:31Z cognitivejuan@gmail.com cognitivejuan 66.184.224.82 wp_id=232722;date=2009-12-02 13:37:44-05:00 Secondly, you made such a big deal out of the fact that you had never even heard of the Center for Consumer Freedom...and them immediately post a link to.......wait for it.......wait for it.....THE CENTER FOR CONSUMER FREEDOM WEBSITE.....wow.
Once again, there are a lot of things that PETA does that I disagree with. That is not what this discussion is about at all.]]> 2009-12-02T18:37:44Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.24.243 wp_id=232723;date=2009-12-02 14:02:13-05:00 http://skeptico.blogs.com/skep... which I quite like. If you don't agree with what peta does stop defending them. They are trying to thwart most of the medical industry by stopping animal testing. Stopping people from finding cures is violence to me. Inciting violence or threatening violence for political gain is terrorism. PETA = Terrorism]]> 2009-12-02T19:02:13Z cognitivejuan@gmail.com cognitivejuan 66.184.224.82 wp_id=232726;date=2009-12-02 14:25:19-05:00 OK...here's the deal. And I'm going to say this really sssllllooooowwwwllllyyyyy, because saying this over and over again gets really old.
The CCF is a PR company paid to promote the fast food, alcohol, and tobacco industries. Look around their site a little bit. You'll find some really informative articles on how the evil Mothers Against Drunk Driving are trying to take away your god given right to get hammered and go out for a joy ride. Or how about the million dollar ad campaign they just started to promote the idea that feeding children foods loaded with high fructose corn syrup isn't bad for them.
You consider yourself to be pro animal rights and these are the people whose word your going to take as the truth? Really?
And this quote from you struck me as a bit odd, especially considering your "pro animal rights" stance: "If the animals have just as much rights as humans why not plants? They have yet to define why if humans aren’t higher in the food chain than animals. Then why are animals higher than plants? There are plants that have a higher level of sentience than some animals. I would suggest you read about plant neurobiology but then I would be afraid you would stop eating all together." The answer is simple and it's 3 words long...central nervous system. This is entry level stuff you wouldn't have to ask if you had EVER read any book on the subject of animal rights. Once again, although I know you'll ignore this, I'm going to ask you to back up what you've said. Post EVEN ONE link on here to an article on plant neurobiology that proves that there is a plant that has a nervous system and can feel and react to pain. Just one. It shouldn't be that hard...you seem to be ab expert in the field.
Prove yourself right and I will not only leave you alone, but I will never post here again.]]> 2009-12-02T19:25:19Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.24.243 wp_id=232737;date=2009-12-02 16:32:01-05:00 http://www.satyamag.com/mar05/... ), have given awards to Burger King and slaughterhouse designer Temple Grandin (http://www.abolitionist-online... ), and just recently facilitated the mass killing of lobsters in Arizona (http://blogs.pitch.com/fatcity... ). PETA may do some good, but that doesn't mean they should be free from critical examination. There are other groups in the movement that take rights seriously and deserve our money and support.]]> 2009-12-02T21:32:01Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker 64.128.215.178 wp_id=232740;date=2009-12-02 17:37:30-05:00 I agree with pretty much everything you said.
My point to Juan (which he continually misses) is this. There are a lot of reasons, as a vegan, to be uncomfortable with giving money to PETA...several of them you mentioned. You don't have to be an Ingrid Newkirk sycophant to understand that what PETA does is not terrorism...and if we let people refer to organizations like PETA and IDA as terrorist groups without challenging them on that, we've lost half of the battle.]]> 2009-12-02T22:37:30Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.24.243 wp_id=232745;date=2009-12-02 18:34:52-05:00
For this alone my full support goes to PETA, regardless of the fundamentalist nonsense stuck with principles and devoid of reality.]]> 2009-12-02T23:34:52Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=232747;date=2009-12-02 18:42:31-05:00
I have been convicted for two actions the government called "ALF" crimes. I also was charged as a terrorist in the SHAC7 case. I served years in jail as a result. From start to finish I spoke out against violence as a tactic in movements. I have been reading this thread and what you have been posting, and I would like to say that I do my best to never undercut the definition of terrorism and feelings attached to such a charged word.

This issue is complicated. No one wants to pervert any terms. These times we are living in are even more complicated. 99.99% or more of animal activists even those who engage in ALF activities believe in non-violence against beings, regardless of species. The Terror definition is a charged one, one that carries a ton of emotion, and one that no one wants to block in the legislative leg for fear of seeming insensitive to terror victims. What the USDA is doing is a pragmatic move to insure leverage against effective animal activists, it will work as long as the legal infrastructure remains afraid of partitioning their constituents in a ethical debate like this one.

You can think anything you want about me, or other people who you may consider "terrorist," I appreciate your individuality & opinions. I am just a person like you, and I made a choice to give a shit the best way I knew how.

Love & Liberation,
Andy]]> 2009-12-02T23:42:31Z andrew@papress.com Andy Stepanian 66.100.3.192 wp_id=232749;date=2009-12-02 18:50:06-05:00
You better believe it. I will be considered terrorist for my views here, but I don't give a SHIT!. A couple of weeks ago undercover footage of a veal calf operation in Vermont was exposed. The footage actually had the god damn USDA inspector telling them, "Oh, don't do that, you could get shut down for that". The inspector witnessed horrible abuse of the calves and did nothing. The only god damn reason the operation was shut down is because the USDA got caught with their pants DOWN!. Their job is to make sure animals are treated well and all they do is protect the abusers...IT makes me SICK!. They along with all the other torturers causing mass genocide are the real terrorists.

With all the undercover footage on factory farms and inside laboratories, not one fricken thing is ever done to bring these sadistic bastards to justice. We are sick of asking nicely, we are sick of trying to use the law in the animals defense. Animals are suffering this very second (and PETA I might add addresses this and sometimes are called welfarists for doing so. Like all of us they believe in Animal Liberation but know the animals also need help NOW!) Like their suggestions they sent to Land O Lakes to improve the the conditions there).

The animals cannot wait another 50 yrs for laws that do nothing for them. SO what are we supposed to do?, keep asking nicely?

"Never be afraid to do what's right when a person or animal is at stake, society's punishments are small compared compared to the wounds we inflict on our souls when we look the other way"
~MLK

If doing what is right breaks the law, so be it.]]> 2009-12-02T23:50:06Z liberationnow@anonymous.disqus.net liberationNOW 71.87.210.42 wp_id=232756;date=2009-12-02 20:15:52-05:00
I see. So I suppose you'd be happy to provide a link or citation to the outcomes of the court cases? I've been able to find just one elephant abuse case - apparently the first ever. Happened this year. Ringling and the elephant trainer were found innocent. So what broken laws are you referring to?

--The other, by Ringling, involves operating outside of the law to disrupt political activities in order to protect profits.--

What "political activities" would those be, do you think? I'm sure their VERY highly paid legal team (paid for with money donated to "save the animals") has a plan for every loophole - but to this layperson, it seems that PeTA's riding a very fine line here, indeed. http://www.irs.gov/charities/a...

And, as I said, I’d give PeTA and their “investigators” a lot more credit if they’d make raw footage available, instead of editing 100 hours worth of footage into a 45 second clip.

--They themselves have been involved in many illegal activities.”? --

Rodney Coronado's sentencing memorandum (specifically pages 8 and 9) sure indicate that they have been involved in at least one.
http://www.eskimo.com/~rarnold...

--The answer is simple and it’s 3 words long…central nervous system. --

Not all animals have central nervous systems... Or did sea sponges and bivalves become vegan all of a sudden?]]> 2009-12-03T01:15:52Z carolyninthecity@gmail.com Badattituud 206.74.171.181 wp_id=232757;date=2009-12-02 20:20:35-05:00 I'd love for you to enlighten us about "plant neurobiology"]]> 2009-12-03T01:20:35Z pablo@anonymous.disqus.net pablo 68.33.240.7 wp_id=232759;date=2009-12-02 21:27:56-05:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...]]> 2009-12-03T02:27:56Z alex_r@anonymous.disqus.net Alex R. 67.81.238.109 wp_id=232760;date=2009-12-02 21:30:09-05:00 2009-12-03T02:30:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.59.103.4 wp_id=232762;date=2009-12-02 22:04:24-05:00 2009-12-03T03:04:24Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker 76.182.46.79 wp_id=232806;date=2009-12-03 10:37:05-05:00
First, you're presenting this question to a wrong person. I would always do more for most nonhumans than humans for reasons I don't want to get into here. (Yes I know humans are animals too... blah, blah blah...)

Second, you don't seem to understand what PETA is doing or you are being intentionally deceptive since you are distorting and misrepresenting by a grand straw man. Encouragement and fighting for the reduction of suffering (for nonhuman and human alike) is NOT the SAME as condoning slavery, torture and murder which you seem to be accusing PETA of doing. The reduction of suffering is the most that is possible to do for nonhumans right now and in the near future above the ground through the existing legal and social structure of the spectacle. It is immoral not to at least try to do this. And I am not talking about ridiculous "string quartet or no string quartet" but real suffering, pain and torture. If you don't know know what is meant by the real suffering, I suggest trying a root canal without anesthesia or have someone pull your nails out without it. So yes indeed, even if I knew I had to die tomorrow and had to have my nails pulled out tonight, I would be grateful and would pay for anesthesia during the pulling. Likewise, even though I am against prisons and death sentence, I am all for making the life and execution of prisoners as devoid of suffering as possible.

But, if you have an immediate plan for "total abolition" to happen tomorrow, by all means, please let's have it now and please I don't want to here about 0.001% increase in veganism while human population is still increasing globally at the rate of about 2% annually together with increase of consumption of nonhuman flesh; let alone that so called "ethical veganism" doesn't have any plan for millions of "pests" who are INTENTIONALLY tortured and murder in production, transportation and storage of "vegan" food.

Anyway, I find dualistic views of "welfare" vs rights boring and old. In good faith I offer these three articles. If you have already read them, try to read them again. First two are by two of my favorite people Martin Balluch and David Sztybel.

Abolitionism versus Reformism by Martin Balluch http://www.vgt.at/publikatione...

Animal Rights Law: Fundamentalism versus Pragmatism by David Sztybel http://74.125.155.132/scholar?q=cache:JCEKn4pzKa0J:scholar.google.co...

One-Track Activism: Animals Pay the Price by Norm Phelps http://www.veganoutreach.org/a...

Cheers!]]> 2009-12-03T15:37:05Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=232808;date=2009-12-03 10:44:40-05:00
I've just submitted a comment. It didn't go through. This has happened before, you may remember. It ended up with spam. Could you please check if the same thing happened this time.]]> 2009-12-03T15:44:40Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=232811;date=2009-12-03 11:10:19-05:00 2009-12-03T16:10:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232813;date=2009-12-03 11:49:48-05:00
lin, first off not all animals have a CNS. I never said that the plants feel pain but there is no proof that they don't. So with that you could also say the same about some simple animals. We simply do not know. And yes I do believe in animal rights. I don't agree with the meat industry and I don't agree with testing on animals for cosmetic purposes. I do believe that animal testing in medicine is perfectly justified though. I mean how else are we supposed to develop veterinarian medicine anyway for that matter but that's a different point. I mean how many studies can you find out there that are testing more animals than the lives their results could save? Like I said before it's all about weighing the cost of life and whichever saves more wins in my book. I don't see how anyone who was really thinking about the future could disagree. Honestly though I'm done with this debate. Neither of us plan on changing our minds and I have wasted far too much time on it.]]> 2009-12-03T16:49:48Z cognitivejuan@gmail.com cognitivejuan 66.184.224.82 wp_id=232819;date=2009-12-03 13:23:17-05:00 2009-12-03T18:23:17Z mpomo@yahoo.com md 65.244.170.30 wp_id=232828;date=2009-12-03 14:34:46-05:00 "The ALF advocates and engages in violent actions (such as arson) that, as direct-action spokesperson Jerry Vlasak cheerfully confirms, WILL sooner or later result in human casualties in the US."
First off, the ALF has been operating within the US for over 25 years without even one casualty or even serious injury. Are you under the impression that happens by mistake?
Secondly, there are many animal liberation groups operating within the US. Not all of them act within the ALF code of non violence.]]> 2009-12-03T19:34:46Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.24.243 wp_id=232831;date=2009-12-03 15:08:17-05:00 2009-12-03T20:08:17Z mpomo@yahoo.com md 65.244.170.30 wp_id=232832;date=2009-12-03 15:17:04-05:00 2009-12-03T20:17:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232833;date=2009-12-03 15:42:13-05:00 The ALF isn't exactly a group that call a big meeting in Topeka Kansas and discuss the possibility of rewriting the "rulebook"...the ALF code is what it is, and anyone acting within the guidelines can consider themselves to be a member. That being said, there ARE an increasing number of activists who look themselves in the mirror and ask "If these were human children that were being tortured and killed by the billions, would I consider certain tactics to be off limits?" and they have chosen more of an "every tool in the toolbox" type approach.]]> 2009-12-03T20:42:13Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.24.243 wp_id=232835;date=2009-12-03 15:46:29-05:00 2009-12-03T20:46:29Z mpomo@yahoo.com md 65.244.170.30 wp_id=232836;date=2009-12-03 15:59:31-05:00
1. in terms of public perception (and support) of the AR movement?
2. in terms of defending ourselves form the Corporate State's efforts to label us as terrorists?]]> 2009-12-03T20:59:31Z mpomo@yahoo.com md 65.244.170.30 wp_id=232839;date=2009-12-03 16:42:13-05:00
Ante, when PETA advocates modified ways to confine and kill other animals, it is an implicit endorsement. What about PETA's awards to corporate exploiters or their recent facilitation of killing lobsters? Is that not condoning this injustice? Also, to clarify, I agree with some of PETA's actions (their peta2 division in particular is doing important outreach to youth), I just simply think they need to disentangle themselves from the speciesist industries they should be opposing. For them to wave the banner of "animal rights," they should take rights seriously and defend the oppressed.]]> 2009-12-03T21:42:13Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker 64.128.215.178 wp_id=232846;date=2009-12-03 18:24:53-05:00
While I'd love to have total abolition tomorrow, I understand it's going to be an incremental process. Promoting veganism is one incremental strategy, as each new vegan withdraws support from speciesist exploitation and becomes part of the solution. If each new vegan helps create other vegans, we'd have exponential growth and public support to political action for abolition.

Since you recommended Martin Bulluch's essay at the link above, I recommend reading Gary Francione's reply at the link below:
http://www.abolitionistapproac.../]]> 2009-12-03T23:24:53Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker 76.182.46.79 wp_id=232847;date=2009-12-03 18:33:30-05:00
Considering that we all may go extinct sometimes soon, the reduction of their suffering is unfortunately all that nonhumans may ever get. To deny them this is repugnant IMO.]]> 2009-12-03T23:33:30Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=232851;date=2009-12-03 20:03:01-05:00 2009-12-04T01:03:01Z patriots5412@gmail.com Zach 216.164.183.33 wp_id=232857;date=2009-12-03 21:22:36-05:00
just because you say plants and synapse in the same sentence doesn't prove that plants have nerves

please point me to peer reviewed science demonstrating your claims.]]> 2009-12-04T02:22:36Z pablo@anonymous.disqus.net pablo 68.33.240.7 wp_id=232885;date=2009-12-04 09:13:42-05:00
"Francione seems to be stuck in the tracks of the 'welfarism does not lead to abolition'-mantra without being able to look left or right. He does not answer most of my arguments and seems unable to distinguish my position from classical welfarist positions. Instead, he picks quotes from my essay, puts all of them out of context, and refutes them, i.e. he delivers what is called a 'straw man argument' ..." Read more: http://www.vgt.at/publikatione...

Later...]]> 2009-12-04T14:13:42Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=232886;date=2009-12-04 09:18:00-05:00 2009-12-04T14:18:00Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=232893;date=2009-12-04 12:13:06-05:00
All some sleazy right wing fascist with ties to Big Brother had to do, was think of a single, effective buzz word; "eco-terrorist" [not exactly a stroke of genius since the terrorist term has been tossed around for well over 20 years], then conspire with his neo-con, think-tank cronies, to re-classify anyone not in agreement with mass-murdering the planet for $$ as an "eco" terrorist. The irony is positively nauseating. But the word "eco-terrorist" is not all-inclusive; it leaves out other peaceful, social justice movements that the feds are hot to discredit, so the term is expanded to: "domestic terrorist". This targets THE most non-violent, benevolent souls on the planet for the govt's hit list; Food Not Bombs; virtually ALL AR activists/orgs caring about the rights of non-humans; and of course those original tree-hugger types. It then lobs that grenade at the few genuinely decent, selfless groups/individuals who truly give a shit about the suffering of others; instantaneously demonizing, isolating and persecuting those with more integrity, courage and compassion than all the rest of this sorry excuse for humanity put together. The guy who coined the 'Eco-terrorist' term knew his target audience well -- they're the same slobs which appear en masse to support the Palins, Limbaughs and Coulters spewing their murderous, Satanic crap, but which are too intellectually lazy, gullible, frightened, apathetic and uneducated to think for themselves. The TRUE Hitler fan base. To those of you who equate First Amendment protected rights with acts of terrorism, congratulations! You have joined the ranks of the seriously manipulated, mentally feeble and incredibly clueless. You are getting the fascist state you so fervently continue to root for.

Just because my massively corrupt govt decides to re-label me as a terrorist because of its colluded whoring with big corporations, doesn't mean I have to lay down, roll over and take it up the rear. I refuse to be re-defined as something which is in such obscene opposition to what I actually stand for; by those with less integrity than maggot excreta; to further their capitalist/imperialist dream of unobstructed world domination.
And anyone with common sense and the ability for critical thinking understands that that is what all of this "domestic terrorist" rhetoric is really about in the first place.

Some have suggested that the "terrorist" label is libelous/slanderous and defaming. I agree that THE most effective way of fighting back against the govt's plan to lock all opposition away under the terrorism guise, is to SUE. The ACLU, by and large, has shown that it couldn't give a damn about this issue. However, I'm sure there are other civil liberties lawyers who would be interested in the possibility of class-action suits. AR activists need to coalesce for this particular goal -- no one is going to stand up for us unless we are willing to help ourselves. Anyone game?]]> 2009-12-04T17:13:06Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.220.123 wp_id=232900;date=2009-12-04 15:16:02-05:00
How can you blame the government for inventing eco-terrorist when it was the eco-terrorist who started bombing, committing arson to homes and business and threatening innocent researchers lives?]]> 2009-12-04T20:16:02Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=232902;date=2009-12-04 16:13:27-05:00 2009-12-04T21:13:27Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=232903;date=2009-12-04 16:19:58-05:00 2009-12-04T21:19:58Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232907;date=2009-12-04 18:23:03-05:00 2009-12-04T23:23:03Z jc@letterboxes.org John Candor 70.15.28.182 wp_id=232908;date=2009-12-04 18:31:59-05:00 2009-12-04T23:31:59Z whey77@letterboxes.org GKC 70.15.28.182 wp_id=232910;date=2009-12-04 18:40:48-05:00
I think this is important to recognize; I am reminded of a saying common in various people's struggles in different forms (regarding 'reformism): "One must first bend the bars until one can be free." Something of that sort, basically the importance of pragmatism in reduction of suffering.]]> 2009-12-04T23:40:48Z whey77@letterboxes.org GKC 70.15.28.182 wp_id=232928;date=2009-12-04 22:26:31-05:00
Also, Ingrid Newkirk does not vacation. I would see her day in and day out arriving early and staying late. She works around the clock. Occaisonally I drive by past midnight to see the lights still on in her office. No one leaves the lights on in Peta without being inside.

Also, trying to find a way to minimize suffering does not mean the suffering is acceptable. However, we have to take baby steps. Believe me, the CAC method of killing chickens is not where we want to end it. It's merely a step. People are still going to eat it, we may as well try to make it as painless as possible. And it's not gasing. There is no gas. The chamber slowly removes oxygen, so slowly that it would cause no pain. The chicken would fall asleep peacefully and die unknowingly from lack of oxygen.]]> 2009-12-05T03:26:31Z leah@anonymous.disqus.net leah 98.183.226.172 wp_id=232932;date=2009-12-05 00:00:29-05:00
Ask yourself why the govt found it necessary to delineate between "terrorist" vs "eco-terrorist" or "animal rights terrorist" since obviously in their twisted minds, all are considered equally dangerous and violent. Singling out and attaching such inflammatory labels to certain segments of society [ usually the innocent] assures that the uninformed public will be much more likely to condemn that person/segment first, never bothering to ask themselves if such labels are justified. This politically motivated smear campaign is no different than when the Jews first began to be singled out in German society as scapegoats for virtually everything under the sun. We all know what that escalated into.

As for researchers being 'innocent'; consider that if you or I stuck pins into the eyes of kittens, or used our companion animals for target practice with bullets, knives, or blowtorches
we would have our asses hauled to jail, immediately -- and deservedly so. However, do the same things [and worse] in a group, while being paid obscene amounts of taxpayer money; call it science and suddenly it's acceptable -- even honorable. If you can't see the absolute schizophrenia in that scenario then there is something really wrong.]]> 2009-12-05T05:00:29Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 68.182.210.183 wp_id=232947;date=2009-12-05 03:14:33-05:00 "A Tale of Power & Vision"
http://www.veganideal.org/cont...

In regards to supposedly "reducing suffering" of other animals in the system of oppression, see:
"Moving From Abstraction to Veganism: Advocating Alternatives to Exploitation, Not Alternative Exploitation"
http://veganideal.org/content/...

To keep on topic of the blog post, I want to say it again: all of us in the animal rights movement must speak out! We have no excuses for staying silent as government-industry-media complex tries to take down the movement through absurd "terrorist" rhetoric. For nonhuman animals, make your voices heard!]]> 2009-12-05T08:14:33Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker 76.182.46.79 wp_id=232963;date=2009-12-05 10:31:19-05:00
What about Mr. Coronado's sentencing memorandum for the MSU arson? Pages 8 and 9 describe Ingrid Newkirk's direct participation (and the involvement of another PeTA employee at Ms. Newkirk's request)


http://www.eskimo.com/~rarnold...]]> 2009-12-05T15:31:19Z carolyninthecity@gmail.com Badattituud 206.74.171.181 wp_id=232968;date=2009-12-05 12:08:47-05:00 2009-12-05T17:08:47Z stygianhalo@gmail.com Halo 96.19.253.46 wp_id=232973;date=2009-12-05 13:17:24-05:00 They took it down. I have inserted another link to the pdf, hosted locally.]]> 2009-12-05T18:17:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 72.61.146.32 wp_id=232996;date=2009-12-05 21:32:59-05:00 http://www.vgt.at/presse/news/... For some who may not know, Martin has spent three and a half months in Austrian jail last year, went on hunger strike there and may be locked up again; all this for running a "criminal" organization which is a bit smaller in size but essentially not much different than PETA. So, are we going to see Ingrid Newkirk locked up soon for running a "terrorist" organization?]]> 2009-12-06T02:32:59Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=233068;date=2009-12-06 07:42:17-05:00
The way I see it, fighting for Ideals can be good and bad. People die for their ideals. Some blow themselves up and take many with them for an ideal such as god - something which does not exist. Now, that is really stupid. So, Is the "vegan ideal" (I borrowed the term from your link) and specially by the tactics which you describe above (one vegan at the time lifestyle change) good to fight for? I personally do not think that by itself it's such a great ideal. Is fighting for the interest of animals such as the reduction of their pain, for their freedom and their life good? Yes, of course. Unlike god, I have no doubt that they are real and that they experience pain, suffer and want to be free and live just as I do. You may say, well, veganism one by one will very slowly accomplish just that. I am not so sure of that. This very slow may never come. Yogis have been preaching one to one "do not harm" for 5 thousands of years but abuse, torture, murder and consumption of flash is on the rise year by year. Moreover, veganism, if it only means boycotting products which supposedly do not involve animal exploitation, is NOT exploitation and cruelty free lifestyle. Human consumption of almost anything involves consumption and destruction of sentient beings and their habitat directly or indirectly. Remember there are others besides domesticated. So, veganism without strong anti-consumerist and anti-human reproduction/population message is not to be put so high on the pedestal, in my view.

It's OK to be idealistic but here we are dealing with lives and suffering of others so I think we needs to be carful that what we are doing is actually benefiting them instead of making ourselves feel good and that we are not just replacing one destructive industry with another. Anyway this is what this long time vegan/freegan thinks right now.]]> 2009-12-06T12:42:17Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=233126;date=2009-12-07 11:14:42-05:00
I certainly hope that the convictions of the SHAC7 and of our other political prisoners can be reversed. This class action suit sounds like a great idea...]]> 2009-12-07T16:14:42Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 170.63.96.108 wp_id=233130;date=2009-12-07 12:45:27-05:00 2009-12-07T17:45:27Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.143.149 wp_id=233199;date=2009-12-08 14:47:51-05:00
That sounds promising, let us know what your attorney friend thinks. You know what they say about fighting enemies. Use their own strategies against them.]]> 2009-12-08T19:47:51Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 146.243.4.157 wp_id=233271;date=2009-12-09 19:19:03-05:00
"Use their own strategies against them."

Does that mean researchers and fur farmers can start using bombs and arson on AR terrorist?]]> 2009-12-10T00:19:03Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=233446;date=2009-12-13 21:50:41-05:00
"@Liberationnow

“Use their own strategies against them.”

Does that mean researchers and fur farmers can start using bombs and arson on AR terrorist?"

That's a weapon. Our strategy is being right, true and correct, so you and your kind fail before you begin.]]> 2009-12-14T02:50:41Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 192.102.239.195 wp_id=233491;date=2009-12-14 15:27:11-05:00 2009-12-14T20:27:11Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=233773;date=2009-12-18 18:32:54-05:00 2009-12-18T23:32:54Z logan@anonymous.disqus.net Logan 204.106.244.144 wp_id=233812;date=2009-12-19 18:46:49-05:00
Go Vegan.
Better for you, better for the environment,better for the animals]]> 2009-12-19T23:46:49Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 120.18.61.76 wp_id=234223;date=2009-12-31 02:36:05-05:00 2009-12-31T07:36:05Z bcdrac@mts.net bruce dracass 205.200.59.157 wp_id=232579;date=2009-12-01 10:30:25-05:00
That's (relatively) good news about Scott. Thanks for the update.]]> 2009-12-01T15:30:25Z michael@farmusa.org Michael A. Weber 71.178.225.197 wp_id=232580;date=2009-12-01 10:32:35-05:00 2009-12-01T15:32:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232586;date=2009-12-01 11:25:09-05:00 2009-12-01T16:25:09Z mpomo@yahoo.com md 65.244.170.30 wp_id=232588;date=2009-12-01 12:09:22-05:00 Thanks.]]> 2009-12-01T17:09:22Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 68.115.164.82 wp_id=232589;date=2009-12-01 12:18:33-05:00
The identification of Scott as an "animal rights activist" was mine, and I may have projected that onto him. I know he is active in a wide range of issues but I have no idea if he identifies as such.]]> 2009-12-01T17:18:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232633;date=2009-12-01 18:20:02-05:00
Scott is very focused on decolonization and traditional native language and practice, which is presumably where his bow-hunting comes in. As someone who *does* identify with an animal rights perspective (and as a settler, no less), I don't want to go on too much about it or editorialize, only to provide that background.

Regardless, as a target of these Orwellian laws that effect all of us, he deserves and needs our full support and solidarity.]]> 2009-12-01T23:20:02Z ludditerobot@riseup.net ludditerobot 98.14.248.74 wp_id=232734;date=2009-12-02 15:52:43-05:00 2009-12-02T20:52:43Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.158.25 wp_id=233546;date=2009-12-15 09:55:57-05:00 thanks for the information. I completely agree with you about these laws being beyond -- just way beyond anything that Americans should have to deal with in a supposedly free, democratic country (unless, I guess, you're not white; then the perspective is likely different and these laws maybe not so surprising). I appreciate that he's taking a stand but I do have a big problem being supportive of bow hunters when there are many other prisoners whose activities support life rather than take it.]]> 2009-12-15T14:55:57Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 68.115.164.82 wp_id=232803;date=2009-12-03 09:59:49-05:00 2009-12-03T14:59:49Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 170.63.96.108 wp_id=232807;date=2009-12-03 10:37:30-05:00 Wake Up America!!!]]> 2009-12-03T15:37:30Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.24.243 wp_id=232812;date=2009-12-03 11:11:10-05:00
Ha ha ha ha ha.]]> 2009-12-03T16:11:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=232866;date=2009-12-03 23:51:00-05:00 2009-12-04T04:51:00Z dana@anonymous.disqus.net Dana 71.80.44.124 wp_id=232880;date=2009-12-04 07:28:53-05:00
No, it's just referring to the apron.]]> 2009-12-04T12:28:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.145.178.88 wp_id=232911;date=2009-12-04 19:04:37-05:00
And while that is a nice apron, in this day and age of increased surveillance, infiltration, "crack-downs" and paraonia, I have a suggestion for another fashion accessory, specifically with the case of the activist charged with a felony for wearing a mask (with more to come I'm sure) hand bands / sweat bands with a few tiny infrared LEDs decorating the front bottom of the band near the face; as you may or not know, these LEDs just happen to appear as a big white blur on CCDs in digital cameras / video recorders / etc:
http://www.boingboing.net/2008...

Not visible to the human eye, but those cool LED bumps are awesome 'decoration.'

JK! Knowing 'them' this would be the equivalent of a suitcase nuke.]]> 2009-12-05T00:04:37Z whey77@letterboxes.org GKC 70.15.28.182 wp_id=232922;date=2009-12-04 19:52:13-05:00
He was so fun.]]> 2009-12-05T00:52:13Z whey77@letterboxes.org GKC 70.15.28.182 wp_id=232929;date=2009-12-04 22:34:06-05:00 2009-12-05T03:34:06Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=233122;date=2009-12-07 09:47:22-05:00 2009-12-07T14:47:22Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Liberationnow 146.243.4.157 wp_id=233145;date=2009-12-07 16:35:16-05:00
and....
“She’s damn near Al-Queda’d my tubby ass into fat guy jeans.”

Hilarious Lin!]]> 2009-12-07T21:35:16Z plarue27@gmail.com Paula 69.171.160.199 wp_id=233447;date=2009-12-13 21:53:40-05:00 "I didn’t do anything by accident and yes I still post here."

Oh, stop it Joe, please, laughing so much can't be good for me. You are the poster child of the unfortunate mistake (accident is too generous a term)]]> 2009-12-14T02:53:40Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 192.102.239.195 wp_id=233490;date=2009-12-14 15:23:40-05:00 2009-12-14T20:23:40Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=233662;date=2009-12-17 02:05:35-05:00 2009-12-17T07:05:35Z buckets.o.spammy.goodness@gmail.com Alphonse Mucha 99.55.227.79 wp_id=233128;date=2009-12-07 11:51:53-05:00 2009-12-07T16:51:53Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy Habenicht 99.144.164.244 wp_id=233129;date=2009-12-07 11:58:10-05:00 I think the US and the UK have over-reacted to real terrorism; which is understandable but not ideal, however giving corporations the ability to cast the terror net further is truly awful.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/pro... may be of interest to hear the views of Sir Ken Macdonald, the Director of Public Prosecutions for England and Wales during high profile terror attacks, on too much legislation.]]> 2009-12-07T16:58:10Z victoria.sharkey@medivisas.com uk visa lawyer 217.41.44.158 wp_id=233135;date=2009-12-07 13:17:26-05:00 2009-12-07T18:17:26Z lorenhart25@gmail.com Loren Hart 207.59.145.201 wp_id=233554;date=2009-12-15 11:54:18-05:00 2009-12-15T16:54:18Z thecruelsummer@gmail.com Justin 66.153.157.88 wp_id=233348;date=2009-12-11 14:44:11-05:00 2009-12-11T19:44:11Z veganforlife@sbcglobal.net Mark Hawthorne 216.101.110.2 wp_id=233385;date=2009-12-12 08:24:30-05:00 2009-12-12T13:24:30Z kensxe@gmail.com Ken M 68.0.45.248 wp_id=233410;date=2009-12-12 22:41:36-05:00 2009-12-13T03:41:36Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker 71.51.242.240 wp_id=233813;date=2009-12-19 19:08:25-05:00 2009-12-20T00:08:25Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.158.25 wp_id=233543;date=2009-12-15 09:09:58-05:00 But it's frightening to watch as America turns itself from a democracy into a country where it's a terrorist crime to not support corporations and all that they do.
I'm reminded of the argument that corporations are clinical psychopaths - http://www.commondreams.org/he....]]> 2009-12-15T14:09:58Z victoria.sharkey@medivisas.com uk visa 217.41.44.158 wp_id=233635;date=2009-12-16 15:40:34-05:00 2009-12-16T20:40:34Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=233641;date=2009-12-16 17:24:58-05:00 "Will, I have read the Ca. bill and it has nothing to do with protecting corporations, it protects researchers and their families. What is wrong with that?"

One of the guiding principles of jurisprudence is that "The law is for all" When one group, in this case the animal abusers, is favoured above others we enter into the same realms as apartheid, state/societally sanctioned slavery, and all other forms of discrimination and oppression. Such is indefensible.

Leaving aside that these so called "researchers" are nothing less than a front for big pharma and big ag; the Corporations that have bought our government in the rapacious quest for profit above all else.]]> 2009-12-16T22:24:58Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 192.102.239.195 wp_id=233648;date=2009-12-16 19:12:04-05:00 2009-12-17T00:12:04Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=233651;date=2009-12-16 20:54:08-05:00 2009-12-17T01:54:08Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 192.102.239.195 wp_id=233674;date=2009-12-17 07:41:32-05:00 I'm pretty sure you and the rest of your FBI buddies already have all of that information.
Thanks for stopping by though.]]> 2009-12-17T12:41:32Z lin@anonymous.disqus.net Lin 96.236.24.243 wp_id=233681;date=2009-12-17 10:09:41-05:00 2009-12-17T15:09:41Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 wp_id=233686;date=2009-12-17 10:50:27-05:00 2009-12-17T15:50:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 wp_id=233699;date=2009-12-17 17:22:08-05:00
A total misrepresentation, indeed outright lie. I/We do not WANT researchers personal information, however if such information is available (we found it, so it must have been available) that is their choice. That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that "laws" which allow for unequal consideration under the law are arguably unconstitutional. The two subjects have nothing to do with each other except in your fevered imagination.]]> 2009-12-17T22:22:08Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 192.102.239.195 wp_id=234079;date=2009-12-27 20:00:13-05:00 2009-12-28T01:00:13Z drew.r.wilson@gmail.com dw 68.116.170.52 wp_id=698;date=2006-09-16 18:29:04-04:00 2006-09-16T22:29:04Z jonwilkesbooth@gmail.com jon booth 68.199.76.110 2010-01-04T22:03:24Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.64.112 2010-01-04T22:05:31Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.64.112 2010-01-05T16:08:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
i haven't seen the movie, but from my vantage point it looks like spectacle, plain and simple. is spectacle necessary to critique the culture? is james cameron a critic of our culture? is the message dismissed as overly romantic simply by the way it is presented?

e.b. white was a contemporary of lewis mumford's, and was actually very anti-civilization in his writing, so i'm sure he'd be honored to have charlotte's web lumped in with other acts of resistance

also, if you google the title of your essay, mainstream garbage comes up. if you google the exact title as a string, it says 'no results.' hmm.

again, thank you]]> 2010-01-05T16:21:36Z cwhite12@hughes.net pennilesscripple 67.142.161.19
But that's me.]]> 2010-01-05T16:24:22Z Mary Martin true twitter-19468368 76.110.213.213
I only wished films had as much power as these Red County folks give them.

I loved Avatar mainly because I am a 3D nerd but will it be the battle cry for activists? I doubt it because videos and witnessing real life destruction of human, animal and earth barely get people moving.]]> 2010-01-05T16:36:35Z jason@zombie-popcorn.com Bayless true Bayless 72.218.127.176
too bad avatar is about an indigenous group being saved by a white guy.]]> 2010-01-05T16:46:52Z patchthatsweater@gmail.com olivia 67.87.163.215 2010-01-05T17:04:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-01-05T17:04:40Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 http://yglesias.thinkprogress....]]> 2010-01-05T17:05:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
I liked the film. Some saw a negative message of racism and pro-white patriarchy in it but I saw more of a anti-speciesism and environmental degradation message with positive female roles and positive allegorical for indigenous peoples. The whole white male hero thing was iffy but he could get to where he was without the tribeswomen, pandora's energies, and the n'avi overall getting him there.

I dug the movie and will see it again in theaters.

Perhaps this will backfire on the t-word loving pundits, showing how justified the things they call "terrorism" really are what douchebags corporate and military greed villains are. The film was really black and white and I liked that about it as well.]]> 2010-01-05T17:08:21Z arphilosophy@gmail.com Corvus_Mellori true Corvus_Mellori 130.49.139.143
I liked the film. Some saw a negative message of racism and pro-white patriarchy in it but I saw more of a anti-speciesism and environmental degradation message with positive female roles and positive allegorical for indigenous peoples. The whole white male hero thing was iffy but he could get to where he was without the tribeswomen, pandora's energies, and the n'avi overall getting him there.

I dug the movie and will see it again in theaters.

Perhaps this will backfire on the t-word loving pundits, showing how justified the things they call "terrorism" really are what douchebags corporate and military greed villains are. The film was really black and white and I liked that about it as well.

(sorry if this is a double post. I am getting the hang of this new comment thing.)]]> 2010-01-05T17:10:36Z arphilosophy@gmail.com Corvus_Mellori true Corvus_Mellori 130.49.139.143 redneckcounty.com.
I guess it's not easy for Rabid Republican Nutters any more... in simpler times they just had to be vigilant to reds under their beds but now their paranoia knows no bounds...]]> 2010-01-05T17:26:00Z gideonroberts@hotmail.com uk immigration lawyer 81.153.27.216 2010-01-05T17:28:50Z Mary Martin true twitter-19468368 76.110.213.213 ]]> 2010-01-05T17:57:17Z ryan_abcn@yahoo.com hearthrob true hearthrob 75.72.218.95 2010-01-05T18:48:57Z nsheen@csulb.edu Nicoal 68.183.104.100 2010-01-05T18:54:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-01-05T19:17:27Z mikko.alanne@finngatepictures.com Mikko 76.248.237.148
I haven't seen the film yet but I know my daughter is itching to see it. It is really cool to see films that send honest, honorable and unselfish messages to the audience. There is always a little truth in fiction.

This may give away my age some, but when I was little my very favorite action figures were Cornelius and Zera from Planet of the Apes..wonder where I got this animal rights mentality from?...LOL]]> 2010-01-05T19:47:28Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LiberationNOW 146.243.4.157
I liked the movie, it is like the adult, fancy version of Ferngully :) I suppose some might consider me an eco-terrorist, but I've never blown anything up (my biggest offense was writing "no new coal" in huge letters on the street in front of the governor's mansion with chalk --criminal mischief according to police)]]> 2010-01-05T21:10:21Z srj0385@hotmail.com srj0385 true srj0385 99.62.192.22 http://www.scribd.com/doc/1323...]]> 2010-01-05T22:44:59Z libertas_preliator@sbcglobal.net The Letter D 76.253.138.130 2010-01-05T23:25:44Z mymark@gmail.com mymarkx true mymarkx 68.101.196.92
When he stops talking.]]> 2010-01-06T00:02:28Z byoungcdmc@gmail.com patriotaxe true bobyoung 99.36.134.246 2010-01-06T00:44:34Z joesown@yahoo.com Pilar 76.166.101.51 2010-01-06T01:31:41Z libhomo true openid-11889 24.168.10.32
The "final goal" is to deny humans access to natural resources? Once again, great semantics...yet, ignorant. 99% of tall grass praires: gone. 96 % of native forests: gone. 55% of all wetlands: gone. (Here in the USA). Wow...we sure are denying human extraction to those ecosystems? Facts don't lie...and cannot be spun.

This is so sad. More fear, more misdirection of real facts. Eco-terrorists? I am a science teacher (29 yrs), ex-iron worker who has watched our nation's resources pillaged by multinationals: hurting small towns, ruining favorite hunting sites, collapsing of fisheries (salmon and codfish). Name one ecosystem on earth that is NOT in decline. Wake up folks: I embrace capitalism, the type that doesn't deny our kids a sustainable future. Why is it...that you "eco-terrorist conspiracy folks" never speak out against massive subsidies for tobacco, mining of coal, oil subsidies? Why don't you realize that economic growth is not exponential in a closed system? Why don't you look around and see the rate of extinction and deforestation in the USA? Facts...do not cease to exist because they are ignored. The real eco-terrorists are the multinationals who pillage land, spoil waters, overharvest fish...and don't give a damn about jobs, people's health, communities and their futures. Eco-terrorists...what a joke. Was I too harsh...I hope that no one calls and "Tells on me" on the Greenscare hotline!! John F. Borowski]]> 2010-01-06T01:49:42Z jenjill@peak.org John F. Borowski 206.125.69.234 2010-01-06T02:32:39Z junk_456@hotmail.com merrywriter true merrywriter 74.179.178.28 2010-01-06T03:37:21Z bw.webmail@gmail.com beforewisdom true beforewisdom 66.44.125.7 Let this film get lumped in with Fern Gully, Hoot and even Charlott's Web. Every one of them great films, that bring about great discussion. And even if the majority of people don't find the "moral" of the story, some do. Besides I love it when a movie not only can be entertaining but deliver a message as well. We wouldn't be having this discussion right now if someone, even if it was some Republican Nut case, didn't see the possibility of entertainment to get the masses to start thinking and hopefully someday move to action instead of just sitting there. Anyone see Wall-e (BTW another of the great films with a moral to the story!)????? Yeah now there's a future I'm looking forward to. NOT!!!!]]> 2010-01-06T05:16:02Z ritamayi1@yahoo.com ritamayi true ritamayi 66.66.66.214
I wonder what the corporate cheerleaders have to say about the back to back Army and Navy commercials that I was subjected to, for what felt like 20 minutes, before the movie previews even started?

The military is obviously pushing its message too.
]]> 2010-01-06T07:24:39Z sirenitaloquita@yahoo.com cristina 63.249.113.168 That's what I care about- not that he was doing or selling drugs. I'm happy he's locked up, even if it's not for the right reason. I say get him back here, try him, and give him the min. 35 years for arson that he deserves.]]> 2010-01-06T09:05:17Z confoosion@hotmail.com WA 24.19.0.103
I keep up on population issues, but I don't consider a single human being to be an "infestation".

These kind of comments make the people who utter them and the groups they belong to look like negative, hateful, selfish losers.

These kinds of comments turn people off and turns them away from dealing with the problems at the root of the matter.

Again, my problem isn't with you, it is with sentiment.
]]> 2010-01-06T15:45:56Z bw.webmail@gmail.com beforewisdom true beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 2010-01-06T16:08:35Z veganforlife@sbcglobal.net Mark Hawthorne 216.101.110.2 And it's saddening that the Japanese seem to have developed a blood lust for humans as well as whales.]]> 2010-01-06T16:18:25Z gideonroberts@hotmail.com uk immigration lawyer 86.169.75.205 2010-01-06T16:19:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
Big difference: Sea Shepherd takes all precautions to avoid harming life - the murderous Japanese Whalers do not.]]> 2010-01-06T16:27:59Z matt@unpunk.com mattnothing true mattnothing 38.105.231.102 2010-01-06T16:54:37Z badgie523@gmail.com Megan 216.70.183.98 2010-01-06T18:43:14Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LiberationNOW 170.63.96.108 2010-01-06T19:08:54Z jmcwade@gmail.com johnnymc 76.7.71.154 2010-01-06T19:10:27Z bw.webmail@gmail.com beforewisdom true beforewisdom 65.125.12.222
Losing one ship will only make them more vigilant


That brings up a good point. How did a clunky whaling ship get that close to super sleak hot rod boat in the first place and how come that uber fast boat could not get out of the way?
]]> 2010-01-06T19:12:55Z bw.webmail@gmail.com beforewisdom true beforewisdom 65.125.12.222 2010-01-06T19:13:14Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
TAKE ACTION IMMEDIATELY

You can do your part to help Sea Shepherd defend the whales. Now more than ever, Give generously to Sea Shepherd:

http://www.seashepherd.org/sup.../

Let's make sure the Japanese Embassy and their Consulate offices come in to voice mail and e-mail messages this morning. Contact the Embassy of Japan and their New York City Consulate Office asking them to stop attempting to kill whales and to stop trying to murder our activist friends:


Ambassador Ichiro Fujisaki
Embassy of Japan in the USA
2520 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W.
Washington, DC 20008
Phone: 1.202.238.6700 or 6900
Fax: 202.328.2187
e-mail: jicc@embjapan.org

Ambassador Shinichi Nishimiya
Japanese Consulate General
299 Park Avenue
New York, NY 10171
Phone: 1.212.371.8222
Fax: 1.212. 371.1294
e-mail: inquiry@ny.cgj.org
]]> 2010-01-06T19:14:55Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LiberationNOW 146.243.4.157 2010-01-06T19:17:50Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
Body: CASUALTY OF WAR

In an unprovoked attack captured on film, the Japanese security ship Shonan Maru No. 2 deliberately rammed and caused catastrophic damage to the Sea Shepherd catamaran Ady Gil.

Six crew crewmembers, four from New Zealand, one from Australia, and one from the Netherlands were immediately rescued by the crew of the Sea Shepherd ship Bob Barker. None of the crew Ady Gil crew were injured.

The Ady Gil is believed to be sinking and chances of salvage are very grim.

According to eyewitness Captain Chuck Swift on the Bob Barker, the attack happened while the vessels were dead in the water. The Shonan Maru No. 2 suddenly started up and deliberately rammed the Ady Gil ripping eight feet of the bow of the vessel completely off. According to Captain Swift, the vessel does not look like it will be saved.

“The Japanese whalers have now escalated this conflict very violently,” said Captain Paul Watson. “If they think that our remaining two ships will retreat from the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary in the face of their extremism, they will be mistaken. We now have a real whale war on our hands now and we have no intention of retreating.”

You can view exclusive footage of the attack at the following address

http://seashepherds.ning.com/v...


Please send this or a similar e-mail to the individuals and addresses you will find listed below. this is a DIRECT CALL TO ACTION


Honorable (persons name)

We are very concerned with the recent developments in the Southern Arctic Whale Sanctuary. No member of Sea Shepherd Conservation Society has ever hurt or attempted to hurt a Japanese Sailor. They have gone as far as offering to help when one of Japanese crew was lost at sea. This is not the case with the current situation. The Japanese Whalers have not just hurt the Sea Shepherds they have attempted murder by ramming the boat Ady Gil and then hit the dazzed crew with their water cannons. They are boasting about this and it is a crime for a sea fairing vesel.

We are asking you to take immediate action. The Japanese are not only breaking the law they are laughing in the face of an Hornorable Government such as the Australian Government.

The Japanese have done nothing but lie and decieve the Australian Government with their actions. They will continue to do this as long as they are allowed.

We are asking for swift action against the Japanese Government. They would have done the same if the situation was reversed. Lives of sailors have been compromised and this is not acceptable in any nation.

In closing we ask you to take immediate action,

Sincerely,

(your name)

....................................................................

Here is your list of target, be kind, you get more lfies with honey!

The Honorable Peter Garrett

Peter Garrett - Member for Kingsford Smith

Parliament House
Suite MG 40
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
Tel:
(02) 6277 7640
Fax:
(02) 6273 6101
Email:
Email Peter
Electorate Office
806 – 812 Anzac Pde
MAROUBRA NSW
Tel:
(02) 9349 6007
Fax:
(02) 9349 8089
Postal Address:
PO BOX 249
MAROUBRA NSW 2035
Web:
http://www.petergarrett.com.au/

*****************************************************************

Kevin Rudd

Parliament House
Suite MG 8
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
Tel:
(02) 6277 7700
Fax:
(02) 6273 4100
Griffith Electorate Office
630 Wynnum Road
Morningside, QLD, 4170
Tel:
(07) 3899 4031
Fax:
(07) 3899 5755
Postal Address:
PO Box 476A
Morningside, QLD, 4170
Web: http://www.pm.gov.au/
************************************************************

CONTACT Michael Williamson: ALP National President

national.president@alp.org.au


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Minister for Defence Personnel, Materiel and Science
Minister Assisting the Minister for Climate Change
Greg Combet - Member for Charlton

Parliament House Office
PO Box 6022
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
Tel:
(02) 6277 7620
Fax:
(02) 6273 7112
Email Form: http://www.alp.org.au/people/c...

Charlton Electorate Office
Suite 7, Level 1
342 Main Road
Cardiff NSW 2285
Toll Free:
1300 301 798
Tel:
(02) 4954 2611
Fax:
(02) 4954 2655

*************************************************************

Minister for Resources and Energy
Minister for Tourism
Martin Ferguson - Member for Batman

Parliament House
Suite M1 23
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600
Tel:
(02) 6277 7930
Fax:
(02) 6273 0434
Email Form: http://www.alp.org.au/people/e...

Batman Electorate Office
159 High Street
PRESTON, VIC, 3072
Tel:
(03) 9416 8690
Fax:
(03) 9416 7810
]]> 2010-01-06T20:25:05Z kat_alexander@yahoo.com Kathleen Alexander 24.22.179.138 2010-01-06T20:33:33Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.158.25 2010-01-06T21:08:26Z yiukai@lotusvalley.net Pang, Yiu Kai 116.49.76.48 2010-01-06T21:40:39Z lynnbrucemeyer@gmail.com smithrock true smithrock 208.100.144.138 2010-01-06T22:40:39Z mayakovsky29@gmail.com Richard 70.21.186.196 2010-01-06T22:42:28Z mayakovsky29@gmail.com Richard 70.21.186.196 2010-01-06T23:23:13Z dxg13pol@yahoo.com di 68.93.107.41 http://contexts.org/socimages/.../]]> 2010-01-06T23:30:13Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.64.112 2010-01-06T23:44:39Z dxg13pol@yahoo.com di 68.93.107.41 2010-01-07T00:25:21Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 2010-01-07T02:12:33Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.139.63 2010-01-07T02:25:42Z kat_alexander@yahoo.com Kat 24.22.179.138 2010-01-07T09:54:55Z info@red-star.nl Redstar 82.176.255.124
]]> 2010-01-07T13:15:20Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LiberationNOW 146.243.4.157 2010-01-07T14:37:28Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LiberationNOW 170.63.96.108 Hurting people, whether physically, emotional, or financially, is not wrong in any case. What an offensive, ignorant thing to say. Humans hurt non-humans and the environment in every way possible every day. Why should we have the luxury of being protected?]]> 2010-01-07T15:02:30Z hmm@hmm.com Hmm. 70.90.19.219 2010-01-07T15:15:41Z elle.hemp@yahoo.com Elle 70.90.19.219 http://www.facebook.com/group....]]> 2010-01-07T15:32:10Z mdriggs@gmail.com marty 71.184.179.138 2010-01-07T17:21:55Z m.snachs@gmail.com Mike C. 74.242.250.167 2010-01-07T18:14:09Z helplightenmeup@hotmail.com Trish 75.15.234.163 BTW I love this site]]> 2010-01-07T19:15:43Z info@red-star.nl Redstar 82.176.255.124 2010-01-07T19:44:27Z mjoe420@yahoo.com goodamerican true goodamerican 208.92.56.124 2010-01-07T19:46:28Z mjoe420@yahoo.com goodamerican true goodamerican 208.92.56.124 2010-01-07T20:11:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-01-07T20:38:06Z machx0r@yahoo.com Save Whales 66.193.199.65 2010-01-07T20:44:03Z machx0r@yahoo.com Save Whales 66.193.199.65 2010-01-07T20:49:47Z machx0r@yahoo.com Save Whales 66.193.199.65 2010-01-07T21:54:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
Wow. The whalers radically changed course, destroyed the ship, and then the video clearly shows the whalers shooting the activists with a water cannon after their lives were already in danger. And this is all justifiable to you, because the activists want to stop whaling? Unbelievable.]]> 2010-01-07T21:56:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-01-07T23:11:25Z helplightenmeup@hotmail.com Trish 75.15.234.163
But more I think about this, I am starting to feel that this incident is going to play very nicely in Sea Shepherd's favor. Fortunately and it's a miracle that no one was killed, but there must be some priceless footage that came out of this. Symbolism of a tiny space like ship against barbaric whales killing monstrosity is overwhelming. Paul Watson is genius when it comes to use of the spectacle to undermine it even better than PETA does.]]> 2010-01-08T02:47:34Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.139.63 2010-01-08T04:07:07Z armothsmusik@yahoo.com beardofzeuss true beardofzeuss 208.105.72.234
Cynthia Kurtz
internet marketing forum]]> 2010-01-08T04:24:24Z cynthia.kurtz360@gmail.com cynthia145 true cynthia145 117.241.138.27
Apparently only a SMALL fraction of humanity understands that the MAJORITY of human beings are breeding us into the arms of an apocalypse. Vital resources [water/food] are reaching the breaking point--NOW. Yet, the delusional arrogance and selfishness of our species refuses to acknowledge the most pressing problem exacerbating our destruction -- overpopulation. This is the proverbial elephant in the room, never mentioned by most so-called environmentalists. We ARE PARASITES draining the host [at least those of us who gluttonously refuse to curb their individual desires -- Richard Swier are you listening?]. What frustrates and enrages me the most is the helplessness I feel at being dragged by my coattails into the quicksand of oblivion by braincell-challenged dipshits like Swier, who need to be locked up on charges of being a danger to himself and the planet's survival, based on a non-existent IQ.]]> 2010-01-08T08:29:45Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 72.25.192.4 2010-01-08T13:27:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.27.220 2010-01-08T16:40:53Z maurobio@gmail.com maurobio true maurobio 189.24.122.47 http://www.publicrealityradio..... They’ve got great educational, progressive programming that is both locally produced and taken from the Pacifica Radio network from around the country. A friend of mine suggested I tune into the “Infidel Guy”, who I guess is pretty popular for his podcasts online, but it was surprising to find such content being broadcast over the air in Grand Rapids, Michigan of all places. Agree or disagree with the opinions, it is refreshing new content for listener supported radio in West Michigan.]]> 2010-01-08T16:46:29Z bobj@aol.com Bob 209.172.11.10 2010-01-08T17:49:53Z saintfullofsin@aol.com YourUpbringingSux 69.141.183.241 2010-01-08T17:50:29Z vegangrub@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.67.45.11 2010-01-08T17:55:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
Also, nice attempt at sarcasm.]]> 2010-01-08T23:18:58Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.64.112
I don't think it's unfitting for this website at all. Besides, the more often you post content the more followers you'll have and that's kind of the whole point, right? And it's always a good idea to keep track of the devious tactics and propaganda of multi-national monsters such as McD's so that we can call them out on their bullshit. ;)]]> 2010-01-08T23:24:20Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.64.112
This reminds me of the sign we used to have on the door of our infoshop that said "Free cookies for agents!"]]> 2010-01-08T23:29:11Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.64.112 If Watson and his crew had done what the Japanese did yesterday, you can bet your sweet ass Japan would have called in their internationally bought-off govt goon squads. And recruited the necessary kangaroo court, ASAP, to indict and imprison every last one of Watson's crew.]]> 2010-01-08T23:47:03Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 72.25.192.4
I know you have written about the SHAC 7 trial and thank you for the correction... I was actually just responding to the comment above mine by matt.

Thanks for the tremendous work you do.
Daniel
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"For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light" (2 Cor. 11:14)]]> 2010-01-09T21:30:03Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 72.25.192.4 2010-01-09T23:53:50Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 72.25.192.4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Before you all say that Watson would never ram a smaller vessel please know that Watson has an outstanding warrant in Costa Rica for attempted murder. In 2002 Watson used the Farley Mowat a 179 foot ship to ram a 13 foot fishing vessel.]]> 2010-01-10T01:56:40Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 2010-01-10T02:46:49Z dd@g0a53.com what 110.164.248.149 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VurlIRsh7Hw]]> 2010-01-10T02:54:26Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.139.63
It's not that the people that scream about movies being "eco-terrorist recruitment" or wantonly use up resources don't get the point or don't understand. They're not as dumb as you might think. No.. They know the truth and they just don't care. Of course they're going to defend humans raping the earth and try as hard as they can to convince as many people as they can that it's a good thing because they want to insure that they keep making their money. It's not ignorance. It's deceitfulness and greed.]]> 2010-01-10T04:35:49Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Apocalyptopia 69.151.64.112
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...]]> 2010-01-10T15:49:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.178.15
http://www.youtube.com/user/antebozanich#p/c/B1...]]> 2010-01-10T16:10:48Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.139.63
I'm a french fan of your work. Your website helps me a lot for a work I have to do to obtain my master degree of environmental law (I write a text about eco-warriors and how they are treated by the law in France and in United States).

That's for the thanks. Now, to come back on the subject of the article, Mc Donald says this change of colour is not to "look" green, It's just aesthetic. But I'm sure it is also to really look more "green" because at the same time, they do a massive propaganda where they say they use used oil, recycled paper and cardboard etc.

I cannot tell you exactly if french people globally believe them but personally, I think if it's potentially true in France, Mc Donald is just making "greenwashing" because they had some problems with environmentalist movement in the past (I think about the farmer José Bové, I don't know if you have heard about him). But in countries where people have too much others problems to be environmental-minded, I don't think they are so "green".]]> 2010-01-10T17:36:59Z duncan_inoako@hotmail.com Damced 92.146.181.82 2010-01-10T17:38:45Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LiberationNOW 24.107.232.209
Thank you for the note. I'm very glad the site has been useful in your legal studies, and I am always excited to learn that people abroad have seen the website.

I spoke with Anne at TerraEco and she said that McDonald's had told her the same thing, that is was not part of a "Green" campaign. Perhaps, as you noted, McDonald's is not being as overt about this, considering the history in France with Jose Bove, and nearby in England with the McLibel suit.]]> 2010-01-10T19:18:56Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.114.97.243
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
]]> 2010-01-10T20:35:00Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.139.63
When the crash happened it looks like the Ady Gil stopped too close to the Shonan Maru, leaving the captain two options. Turn left and cut the bow of the Ady Gil off or turn right and have the prop cut up the entire length of the Ady Gil. He chose the option that would do the least amount of damage to both ships.

I have spent time on large research vessels in the north Atlantic,these ships do not turn on a dime. When the wheel is turned there is a delay of several seconds before the ship begins to answer. It looks like the Ady Gil just parked itself too close in front of the Japanese ship and the captain of the Shonan Maru did the Ady Gil a favor by only cutting off the bow instead of proping the whole ship.]]> 2010-01-10T20:39:20Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...]]> 2010-01-10T20:48:08Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.139.63 2010-01-10T22:25:48Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LiberationNOW 24.107.232.209 WAKE UP!
SAVE EARTH!]]> 2010-01-11T01:29:19Z brognor@hotmail.com Brognor 92.118.145.202 Of all the posts related to this topic, Will's is the only post or reply that even considers that the "slug" might be a fragment from one of the flash-bangs that were thrown. Which seemed obvious to me from the instant that I saw the show.
Mr Watson certainly could have faked the incident, but I think it more likely that he's trying to hype a fragment into a bullet. The same way he hyped the "kidnapping" of his crew.]]> 2010-01-12T02:06:57Z crglstusr@gmail.com tggr 96.253.100.244
I can, however, do without the whole racist premise that the Na'vi needed a human savior and were too dumb (despite living for millennia close to their environment) to figure out that the big flying dragons can be easily tamed by approaching them from above.

Will the movie create more eco-warriors? I can only hope.]]> 2010-01-12T07:01:20Z n5jrn@mac.com Dendroc 71.237.162.183 2010-01-14T07:19:51Z nzinzer@gmail.com Nick 71.163.146.162 2010-01-14T09:49:36Z harrymontane@hotmail.com Harry 71.116.81.60 2010-01-14T21:28:52Z bpstrangler@yahoo.com plantpowered true plantpowered 74.199.104.237 www.viagra-viagra.com]]> 2010-01-15T07:03:50Z orderviagra@viagra.com order viagra 116.71.60.223 2010-01-15T08:07:45Z mayer@hiredhand.org John Mayer 68.47.246.191
I'm not a great fan of fast food and I was 12 the last time I went to "MacDo", as the French say (maybe in the US, it 's the same...?). But I've heard about this new logo (especially thanks to Terraeco, which, by the way, made me discover your wonderful blog). Macdo may no want to "appear green" by changing its logo, but the French official website seems to say the opposite. http://www.mcdonalds.fr/#/envi.../ I don't know if your understand French (I have not read all your articles yet), but to sum up, it deals with Macdo's amazing efforts to surpass Kyoto targets and become the first green corporation in the whole world (well, maybe not the whole world...).
Macdo simply forgot to add that "in spite of remarkable work to reduce plastic consumption, recycling is not that easy, because food is still fatty and oily, which prevents its packaging from being recycled.
But let's be nicer with Macdo France : I took a look at other national websites, such as the Finnish and the Swedish ones (both being the best green countries!), and anything but a word about "protecting the environment". so, God save Macdo France? ;)]]> 2010-01-15T13:13:02Z minianneso@gmail.com anneso 83.202.54.99
Thanks for not changing your views in reference to status quo movement attacking the underground and for recognizing the importance of different tactics, since as you state, there is no way of knowing and we will never really know which tactics are working and what will matter. Mythology of resistance is a way of deception.

Great job!]]> 2010-01-16T02:16:27Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.139.63 2010-01-16T08:33:27Z romans6_23@verizon.net M.V. Squire 71.101.42.152 2010-01-16T08:38:08Z romans6_23@verizon.net M.V. Squire 71.101.42.152
The term eco-terrorism ( first employed by the FBI ) defines groups who sabotage multi-nationals or other stuff that hurt the environement....

Hurting the ecosystem would kind of go against there ideals....


]]> 2010-01-17T18:10:39Z mayfist@live.de Luke 84.59.179.242
When is the book dropping?

Great interview. Very smart stuff. Hope to run into you soon - this city isn't that big!]]> 2010-01-18T02:54:02Z only@riseup.net only 96.231.0.203 2010-01-18T17:41:02Z vegangrub@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.67.45.11 2010-01-19T18:58:26Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LiberationNOW 146.243.4.157 http://www.cldc.org. They do great work.]]> 2010-01-19T21:53:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-01-20T02:34:30Z nini_pad@yahoo.com Michael Price 122.110.94.240 2010-01-20T03:54:04Z pinkdoggie7@gmail.com elisabeth 71.112.27.156 2010-01-20T07:43:28Z operations@mediattackmp4.com Allen Sentinery 68.3.80.143 2010-01-20T16:33:58Z truckah@gmail.com rooster 65.82.124.92 2010-01-21T07:18:37Z dualhammers@gmail.com Dualhammers 98.206.26.148 2010-01-21T19:32:12Z jillian.speck@hotmail.com JillianSpeck true JillianSpeck 142.30.225.226 2010-01-21T21:46:08Z beatnix64@yahoo.co.uk beetlenutz 121.120.141.35 2010-01-21T23:43:30Z hvistamar@racsa.co.cr nancyforler true nancyforler 190.241.227.90
As far as breaking whaling laws, thats not cool and I respect your stance on that. But don't try to "spin" this video...]]> 2010-01-22T13:57:41Z halfling85@yahoo.com Nathan 76.26.64.181
it is very, very, very, very difficult to express just how absurd, out of control and completely arbitrary this kind of legislations looks to Western Europeans. It truly feels as if long ago corporations have stopped influencing the government in the US but instead BECAME the governing authority. I would not even want to analyze this insane mental outflow because the very name of the bill already renders it intellectually and ethically unacceptable.]]> 2010-01-25T10:34:08Z st@thiesen.info Stefan Thiesen 217.6.56.18 2010-01-25T10:42:47Z st@thiesen.info Stefan Thiesen 217.6.56.18 2010-01-25T10:48:57Z st@thiesen.info Stefan Thiesen 217.6.56.18
They do nothing illegal? Well look at that woman from New York who decided to come to Canada and throw a pie in a politicians face? She is now facing assault charges. Last time I checked assault was illegal. And PETA has condoned this behaviour on its website. So don't go saying they are "lawful" when they are anything but.]]> 2010-01-25T22:39:45Z m_j_m_98@yahoo.ca matt1981 true matt1981 174.5.16.71 http://www.greenisthenewred.co.../

]]> 2010-01-28T14:52:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-01-28T16:14:32Z alycat_17@hotmail.com Allie 216.121.192.115 2010-01-28T16:14:49Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.158.25 2010-01-28T17:08:01Z ksanimalvoice@yahoo.com Ricky 69.76.175.212 2010-01-28T17:34:51Z klechristian@gmail.com Christian 68.55.206.5 2010-01-28T19:40:27Z mymark@gmail.com mymarkx true mymarkx 68.101.196.92 http://www.veganstore.com/soya...

Great for eating or lobbing at politicians!

Also, do you think posting this comment counts as aiding terrorists?]]> 2010-01-28T22:41:58Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com EnigmaGoldman 99.55.224.142 2010-01-28T22:58:14Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 2010-01-28T23:18:51Z vegangrub@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.67.45.11 2010-01-29T01:51:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 174.147.100.150 2010-01-29T04:26:25Z wesley.zhao@gmail.com Wesley Zhao true wesleyzhao 98.237.206.68 2010-01-29T04:49:32Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.158.25
On Infiltrating Wrong Thinkers - Harvard Paper:

Them Truthers need infiltratin’. See, I TOLD folks if they didn’t speak out when they came for the animal activists (violators of the Animal Enterprise “Terrorism” Act), they’d come for their own brand of trouble-maker next.

The paper referenced below urges the infilitration of Truthers and any other conspiracy theorists, cause everybody knows there’s no such thing as a conspiracy. It’s a mythical creature, like a dragon. Like one of those great and terrible dragons that destroys whole kingdoms, devouring all that is innocent and good in them, especially virgins. Anybody who accepts conspiracy theories and, thereby, questions their own government, not just those who actively sound the alarm, not just those who sign petitions (thereby making themselves inelligible to work in the White House), but even those who only tell pollsters they have suspicions, need to be brought under the watchful eye of our protective federal law enforcement agencies. ”[T]he paper by Sunstein and Vermeule specifically mentioned as the targets of its advocated ’infiltration,' the 16% of Americans who responded to a Scripps-Howard Poll in 2006 that it was either very likely or somewhat likely that ’the collapse of the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings.’ Funny this was from Harvard; I’d have thought Yale. Maybe their rivalry is a fiction like that between Democrats and Republicans. And, of course, it’s “Twin Towers plus One.”

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/pa...

Abstract:
Many millions of people hold conspiracy theories; they believe that powerful people have worked together in order to withhold the truth about some important practice or some terrible event. A recent example is the belief, widespread in some parts of the world, that the attacks of 9/11 were carried out not by Al Qaeda, but by Israel or the United States. Those who subscribe to conspiracy theories may create serious risks, including risks of violence, and the existence of such theories raises significant challenges for policy and law. The first challenge is to understand the mechanisms by which conspiracy theories prosper; the second challenge is to understand how such theories might be undermined. Such theories typically spread as a result of identifiable cognitive blunders, operating in conjunction with informational and reputational influences. A distinctive feature of conspiracy theories is their self-sealing quality. Conspiracy theorists are not likely to be persuaded by an attempt to dispel their theories; they may even characterize that very attempt as further proof of the conspiracy. Because those who hold conspiracy theories typically suffer from a crippled epistemology, in accordance with which it is rational to hold such theories, the best response consists in cognitive infiltration of extremist groups. Various policy dilemmas, such as the question whether it is better for government to rebut conspiracy theories or to ignore them, are explored in this light.]]> 2010-01-29T05:32:13Z mayer@hiredhand.org John Mayer 69.137.120.157
How exacly is a pie a terrorist attack ?
So clowns doing the pie act are soon going to be allowed to sue there side kick for terrorism ?

This is retarded... really... i am shocked...]]> 2010-01-29T08:58:20Z mayfist@live.de mayfist true mayfist 84.176.171.97 2010-01-29T16:44:55Z ryan_abcn@yahoo.com hearthrob true hearthrob 75.72.218.95 2010-01-29T16:46:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
It certainly can be called many things but "hunt" is the least offensive word. Bashing baby seals over the head with clubs IS OFFENSIVE and slaughter is the appropriate word. It is what it is, no matter how you care to word it.]]> 2010-01-29T20:40:25Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LiberationNOW 24.183.186.78 2010-01-29T23:23:21Z harrymontane@hotmail.com Harry 98.154.122.210 2010-01-29T23:26:47Z harrymontane@hotmail.com Harry 98.154.122.210
It is obvious to any activist that in order to improve the world they need to persuade people who don't think like they do to do so.

An activist motivated by a sincere desire to help the world will change the way they talk upon learning that it hurts getting other people to hear them out.

An activist motivated by emotional indulgence, will not.
]]> 2010-01-30T15:32:26Z bw.webmail@gmail.com beforewisdom true beforewisdom 66.44.125.7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...;

How're your ribs feelin'?]]> 2010-01-30T17:24:08Z x@mail.net Sure 209.139.211.224 aron pieman kay
pieman.org]]> 2010-01-31T09:33:58Z pieman420@gmail.com pieman420 true pieman420 173.77.77.236 pie throwing is not terrorism at all!!! terrorism is bombing iraq and afghanistan!!!
aron pieman kay
pieman.org]]> 2010-01-31T09:37:38Z pieman420@gmail.com pieman420 true pieman420 173.77.77.236 2010-01-31T13:52:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.145.232.202 2010-01-31T21:32:46Z shareorist@hotmail.com Cesar 98.169.133.36 2010-02-01T19:39:59Z bryant@getbiblestudy.com London Kentucky true londonkychurch 64.134.188.112 2010-02-01T22:48:02Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 192.102.239.195 2010-02-02T15:00:19Z atuson@care2.com Angela Tuson 196.211.116.66
It doesn't matter whether they are targeting property or people. Violence is violence and it still directly affects people. If somebody burns down multi-million dollar homes that haven't been sold yet, people are still directly, negatively affected by that. Whether a person was directly, physically harmed by an act of violence or not, doesn't make such a thing any less of an act of terror, it just makes it slightly less morally apprehensible.]]> 2010-02-02T16:37:37Z joe@shmoe.com eli 99.63.85.243 2010-02-02T16:54:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-02-02T23:10:06Z harrymontane@hotmail.com Harry 98.207.45.87 2010-02-02T23:14:02Z harrymontane@hotmail.com Harry 98.207.45.87
Nope. Letting your boatmobile meander into a gigantic ship is called "stupid" *and* "funny".]]> 2010-02-02T23:25:17Z x@x.net Sure 209.139.211.224 2010-02-03T15:13:34Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 146.243.4.157 2010-02-03T15:59:13Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 146.243.4.157 2010-02-03T16:04:34Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 146.243.4.157 2010-02-03T17:07:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
I can't stand PETA, and I find this ridiculous.]]> 2010-02-03T22:36:26Z libhomo true openid-11889 24.168.10.32 2010-02-04T04:41:30Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Stevian true Stevian 192.102.239.195
Will, on the interview page there is a link to your blog but it does not take you to your blog but to this: http://www.greenisthenewred.or.../ You may want to see that corrected.]]> 2010-02-04T07:47:28Z antebozanich@gmail.com Ante Bozanich true AnteBozanich 69.86.139.63 2010-02-04T17:30:16Z gojohnst@gmail.com tisherself true tisherself 156.56.236.64 2010-02-04T17:55:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-02-04T18:20:26Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 170.63.96.108 Lisa, your claim that PETA is helping animals now is not supported by the facts. Just because they claim to be helping animals now, and run attention grabbing campaigns, doesn't make it so.
]]> 2010-02-05T23:15:12Z shareorist@hotmail.com Cesar 98.169.133.36 My partner was there in Norfolk interning when the news broke and, after what she saw and heard from Peta heads, she stopped supporting Peta immediately. This was in addition to the fact that my partner is black and Peta is overwhelmingly white and racist.]]> 2010-02-05T23:25:41Z shareorist@hotmail.com Cesar 98.169.133.36 Everyone is talking about how this "behavior" is new. Ever hear of the Weather Underground? They were a grassroots bunch of kids who couldn't handle the times they were living in and were witness to all the injustice just like we are. It's a f*ing horrible, hopeless, thoughtless, heartless world out there full of monsters and people who kill animals and want to destroy the earth - all in the name of greed. These people who call themselves "authorities" are only only interested in protecting the corruption, greed and power-cravings of themselves and those corporations interlaced in the government system. It's f*ing awful. Monsters.]]> 2010-02-06T00:51:01Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 24.189.3.254 2010-02-06T01:12:23Z ahimsalife@aol.com Veganlove 24.189.3.254 2010-02-06T04:16:10Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 24.189.3.254 2010-02-06T04:19:50Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 24.189.3.254 2010-02-06T04:24:26Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 24.189.3.254 2010-02-06T04:24:51Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 24.189.3.254 2010-02-06T04:32:10Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 24.189.3.254 2010-02-06T04:34:45Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 24.189.3.254 2010-02-06T04:36:01Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 24.189.3.254 2010-02-06T04:40:58Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 24.189.3.254
I really liked the movie and loved its anti cororate, U.S. anti imperialist
movie. I thought it was directed towards the teenage audience which as an old activist from the sixies, I thought was great. Wonderful message for youth and who knows where that would go?]]> 2010-02-06T23:11:09Z gardenofwords@yahoo.com Ivy R. Nightscales 71.35.191.184 2010-02-07T06:27:48Z tom@blowmeuptom.com Haywood 76.176.155.64 2010-02-08T01:53:41Z tomonroad@yahoo.com libhomo 24.168.10.32
do you have an email address so I can contact you directly?, I didn't really see anywhere on the site except the "contact" page, but it looks like comments are just made there. If you don't want to give it out my email is blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com I just wanted to send you a link about a "terrorism" article I just read.
]]> 2010-02-08T17:16:34Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LiberationNOW 68.191.74.10 2010-02-09T07:18:03Z csaf3645@uibk.ac.at newsmagazin 86.32.80.125
Lisa, Nathan Winograd knows firsthand that PETA (As well as HSUS) actively opposes, and intentionally frustrates, no kill initiatives for companion animals. His interview on vegan freaks (episode 83 I believe) has some good info and his book is very eye opening.
To me the problem lies in the philosophy of "relieving some suffering" because, according to PETA (and others who adhere to welfare ideology), killing healthy animals is relieving suffering. Not only is this misguided and erroneous but it is antithetical to the rights-based philosophy that PETA claims to uphold.
From the view of the dogs and cats involved Peta certainly could be considered a "terrorist organization". That does not mean that they should be considered terrorists for nonsensical acts such as pie throwing.]]> 2010-02-10T06:43:07Z shareorist@hotmail.com Cesar 98.169.133.36 Mike]]> 2010-02-11T02:01:05Z ms_frazer@yahoo.com Mike Frazer 24.130.147.148 Second, the momentum of the bullet increase after its is fired, so the force of impact on the target is most certainly greater than that of when it was first fired.
Then of course, where the person is shot and how the force is dispersed comes into account, as a person bracing themselves to receive impact would be able to support themselves, whereas someone standing normally would be caught of guard and more easily thrown off balance.

@anon]]> 2010-02-11T08:10:35Z pyrox001@hotmail.com Anon 69.255.5.154
I've been reading your blog for a while now (a few months). I enjoy your interviews, esp. your testimony before congress.

Hope to see a lot more from you. I'm particularly interested in stories of government infiltration of peaceful groups and (possibly) fusion centers.

http://www.aclu.org/fusion

Have you looked into these at all?]]> 2010-02-13T17:07:10Z jebediah@gmx.com Jeb 24.28.80.242
I was aware that PETA does euthanize some of the animals they take in but I was unaware of the specifics. I did read that they have spayed and neutered 50,000 to date and in doing so prevented the births of at least double that amount of animals. PETA is not a terrorist organization for throwing a pie or for anything else. The fact that they have spayed and neutered thousands of animals in no way justifies killing healthy dogs and cats. Best Friends Animal Sanctuary takes any dog. I am against euthanasia because there are alternatives. I also had no idea that PETA opposes no kill initiatives and collaborates with instutional abusers. I have only known of campaigns against KFC, McDonalds and Petsmart but had no idea they actually collaborate with them. Maybe I should not have spouted off about PETA without doing research that is more thorough. I do not support everything that PETA does. I totally understand what you are saying though, what do they really accomplish and at what price? I am with you Cesar. I am just so utterly frustrated with the movement as a whole.

I guess my main concern is “relieving some suffering” that is where I am so torn. Is there a way to alleviate the suffering of animals on factory farms in a timely manner without working with those who exploit them? Convictions and penalties for abusive farmhands and farm owners are virtually nonexistent. The animals cannot keep waiting; laws take too long to change.

After PETA came out with their undercover investigation footage of the supplier to Land O’ Lakes, I read their 12 PT Plan they presented to them. I thought to myself, if this plan were to be adopted it would ease the suffering of thousands of animals. It would make their lives more bearable. It was a great plan. How could I not support that? Promoting veganism is not enough. I have never looked at PETA as a welfare organization before until now so I must say thank you for your information and wisdom. It has changed my views on some things. I would never knowingly support a “welfare organization” and I apologize if I seem like I am on the fence.

I am a very strict vegan and I hate pacifist welfare ideology. In fact, those who know me would call me militant. I do not belong to any AR organization and I believe in total liberation. What can we do now that will “relieve some of the suffering” for animals that will not compromise our integrity or long term goals?

blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com
]]> 2010-02-13T18:44:48Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 24.183.186.79
I've got a loooong list of stories to work on, sorry the site has been barren lately (I'm wrapping a huge project, and it has taken 100 percent of my attention).

As part of other research, I have been looking at fusion centers. There was a scandal in CA a few years back with the one there, and they were sending out alerts about eco/AR events as "eco-terrorist" gatherings.]]> 2010-02-16T19:26:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-02-17T16:53:11Z Tracy Habenicht true twitter-43900926 204.214.192.251 2010-02-17T19:57:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
This is seriously getting stupid... like the terrorist pie attack wasn't enough ....]]> 2010-02-17T20:34:16Z mayfist@live.de mayfist true mayfist 94.219.203.120 2010-02-17T23:37:18Z veggal92@att.net Melissa 74.162.40.145 2010-02-17T23:52:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 98.218.250.60 2010-02-18T00:26:55Z DorothyKernaghanBaez true twitter-9717192 71.203.73.159
Now that happening today would have brought charges of trespass, disorderly conduct and disturbing the peace. I wonder if they could have drummed up Terrorism charges to boot?. Wow, they say history repeats itself so lets fight harder like they did in the civil rights movement and maybe, just maybe we can win.

Will, are you going to be testifying again before congress about these bills and the AETA? If anyone could make a difference and show the deep consequences against our civil liberties, it would be you.

My daughter is 13 and I am so afraid what the world will be like when she is older. Are "thought" crimes next?]]> 2010-02-18T00:57:01Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 24.183.186.33 2010-02-18T02:09:25Z guerillamonk@gmail.com GuerillaMonk 98.114.85.81
See: http://www.publicola.net/2010/.../]]> 2010-02-18T02:48:06Z jlhouk@gmail.com Joshua 96.26.212.137 2010-02-18T07:44:12Z kellhigg@msn.com billkellogg true billkellogg 71.227.166.215 adminisration (remember the Alien and Sedition act?) and yet the latest Supreme Court ruling regarding corporate campaign spending
was supposedly to broaden the scope of the 1st Ammendment. Once
again I see partisan policies (backed by a stacked Supreme Court) ,
aligned with corporate interests. This nation has been hanging on by a
micro-fiber for sometime now and we are on the precipice of total
collapse yet I've never seen such complacency, ignorance or gullibility
in the people in my life. And now we're in a Catch 22 situation damned
if you do and damned if you don't. I hate to sound pessimistic but.......]]> 2010-02-18T08:47:47Z saloumb@charter.net bobsaloum true bobsaloum 71.94.235.200 2010-02-18T10:30:41Z endspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 72.25.192.4 but this is not fear.
I suggest sexual health product for men VigRX and VigRX Plus]]> 2010-02-18T10:34:46Z vigrxdeals@gmail.com Daniel true vigrx1 219.91.184.142 2010-02-18T12:31:48Z notsanpaku@yahoo.com Rhys Southan 99.30.175.124 2010-02-18T14:11:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-02-18T18:26:44Z vegangrub@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.67.45.11 The Real Eco-Terrorists

"[Ron] Arnold is the executive vice president of the Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise (CDFE). The self-described “Darth Vader for the capitalist revolution,” Arnold became famous in the early 1990s as one of the leaders of the pro-business, rabidly anti-environmentalist Wise Use movement. A former consultant for Dow Chemical, he is also the author of EcoTerror: The Violent Agenda to Save Nature: The World of the Unabomber, published by the CDFE’s own Free Enterprise Press. He has served as an “expert” on the subject of “eco-terror” both on the news and in senate subcommittee investigations.

Arnold credits his group with popularizing the term “eco-terrorism.” In fact, he brags about actually planting the link between environmentalism and terrorism within the public consciousness. As Arnold told the New York Times in July of 2004, “We [CDFE] created a sector of public opinion that didn’t used to exist. No one was aware that environmentalism was a problem until we came along.”12

Of course, the sport of trying to peg tree-huggers as terrorists is as old as the environmentalist movement itself — far-right anti-semite Lyndon LaRouche was doing it as early as 1977. But with Arnold, we see a new, more focused and polished campaign emerging — one with a firm grasp on how to manipulate the media to their advantage with an arsenal of provocative soundbites and memorable catchwords."

"As it turns out, Arnold is a man who knows quite a bit about the environment — at least when it comes to ways to turn out a profit from it. Although he describes his group as “a non-profit citizen organization” comprised of members “in rural natural resource industries,” the CDFE is actually funded by ExxonMobil, the world’s largest publicly traded oil company.14 Besides being responsible for some of the most stupendous environmental disasters in history, as well as having a hand in supporting brutal governments across the globe to support their oil interests, ExxonMobil has already “spent at least $8 million funding a network of groups to challenge the existence of global warming.”]]> 2010-02-18T19:27:06Z sallydarity@yahoo.com sallyd 68.98.112.79 2010-02-18T19:51:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
http://greenisthenewred.org/]]> 2010-02-18T20:29:59Z cjubic@nycap.rr.com Chris Jubic 72.226.70.91 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

"Rights" don't look too promising do they? :(]]> 2010-02-19T16:03:31Z beaelliott@live.com BeaElliott true BeaElliott 71.101.39.131 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
]]> 2010-02-19T16:06:03Z beaelliott@live.com BeaElliott true BeaElliott 71.101.39.131 2010-02-19T16:24:06Z karmalily@gmail.com Karmalily 12.118.173.170 2010-02-19T16:33:55Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 24.183.186.33 ]]> 2010-02-19T17:36:05Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.24.243 2010-02-19T18:25:13Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
But the part of the racist assassination being seconded to the ELF guy sentencewise, that made me want to laugh ....

]]> 2010-02-19T18:35:32Z mayfist@live.de mayfist true mayfist 88.69.1.141 2010-02-19T18:51:11Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.24.243 2010-02-19T18:53:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-02-19T19:18:10Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.24.243 2010-02-20T00:48:02Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 24.183.186.33 2010-02-21T21:28:41Z thesnakegoddess@yahoo.com thesnakegoddess true thesnakegoddess 67.181.78.99 2010-02-22T18:02:58Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.158.25 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

next time search pubmed... please

Hajo]]> 2010-02-22T19:09:51Z info@hajohund.nl Hajo 62.140.137.20 2010-02-22T19:45:01Z frogman_nic@yahoo.com nic 164.47.100.103 2010-02-23T23:55:41Z pcannon@riseup.net Pete 98.216.159.91
Andrew Joseph Stack III committed an act of terrorism in Austin, Texas last week. According to prominent legislators like Former Vice President Dick Cheney, former White House advisers Jay Bybee and John Yoo, former Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, and former White House speechwriter Mark Thiessen, the law is clear. Enhanced interrogation techniques—called ‘torture’ by some—are morally, legally, and tactically appropriate in this case. America is in danger; we must not shirk.
The goals to such inquiries should include, but be not limited to, the scattering of Mr. Stack’s terrorist comrades, the confounding of his other plots and plans, and the frustration of terrorist funding networks. No one who associated with Mr. Stack and who may have useful information in the prosecution of crimes against the United States can be above suspicion. Mr. Stack is dead but his threats live on; the intelligence we need to thwart these cowardly attacks also lives on in the person of his associates and connections, including his teenage daughter.
Her name is Jihada Stack, age 16. She has no record of proven terrorist activity or open sedition against the state of Texas, but her father murdered innocent people, Federal employees going about their legally constituted business for the good of our fellow citizens. Such bloodthirsty terroristic behavior is not unfamiliar to the authorities of the United States. We know that such plots are seldom the work of ‘lone wolves’ or disgruntled individuals. Mr. Stack's connections to other plots and international terrorist organizations must be explored. Bombs tick. No compromise should be considered; the reputations of politicians have been destroyed over less. Standard methods of inquiry, such as the gathering of evidence or voluntary interviews with law enforcement, are insufficient to meet the grave threat presented by terrorists, who refuse to conform to the agreed-upon limits and conditions of normal criminal behavior. We know that Mr. Stack began reading literature critical of US government policy and agencies in high school. He visited websites that now must be considered subversive because of his subsequent behavior. He issued threats to American institutions and criticized American political figures, often by name. Though born in America, he turned against his native land in a gruesome and costly attack upon symbolic targets. Special measures are required.
The community might be expected to view Miss Stack’s vigorous interrogation with dismay. They might assert that Jihada isn’t a terrorist, or that she knows nothing of her father’s activities, or even that her name is not Jihada at all but Samantha. They might claim that her endorsement of her father’s extreme views was an emotional response to her father’s martyrdom. Those claims must be held as irrelevant in times of war when realities are secondary to duty.
This interrogation may have a political cost for the Obama administration’s support in Texas. Enhanced interrogation measures are legal and effective and are a great American tradition established in 2002, so any passing political concern should be considered secondary to the necessity of upholding the rule of law and keeping Texas safe from further violent outrage. Some critics have advanced the theory that Texans might become more resistant to the moral and political authority of the US Government if they learned that a white Honor Roll student and cheerleader at an Austin Christian school had been subjected to prolonged stressful interrogation in a freezing, cockroach-infested cage. But research has shown these fears to be unfounded; in fact most Texans have expressed strong support for enhanced interrogation applied to detainees who have not been charged with a crime. Over 50% of Texans reacted favorably when shown photographs of terrorist detainees shackled face-down in pools of their own waste. Nearly 90% of Texans agreed that the top secret information gathered from unnamed detainees under interrogation at undisclosed locations had saved the lives of uncounted Americans. Such a clear vision of the American moral imperative will not be deterred by tawdry political concerns.
We must also consider the reputation of Texas. It is a state unfairly burdened with violence and crime, long compelled to apply the death penalty in greater proportion than any other state. Criminologists have often wondered how much higher the crime rate would be without the powerful deterrent effect of capital punishment. Texas has also struggled with a high rate of illegal immigration and the attendant difficulty of differentiating among undocumented workers, drug-runners, and terrorists. The state has been unfairly criticized for the execution of an innocent man. But why? Texas is an innovator in criminal justice. The current coherent and effective national immigration policy owes a great debt to the sober and innovative measures first applied in Texas. It is unfortunate that this troubling terrorist event took place in Texas; at the same time it is fortunate because no state has greater experience with complex matters of law and justice, and no collection of citizens has a better reputation for patience, probity, and good civic sense.
Therefore we believe that the interrogation of Miss Stack should commence immediately in the appropriate venues, where such inquiries can be supported by the ideal combinations of expertise, vermin, and equipment. It is also best that the interrogation be held in places unhindered by the kind of sordid legal maneuvering and ploys that endanger the Bill of Rights, places such as Bagram Air Force Base in Afghanistan, Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, or the sub-basement of the Naval Observatory in Washington, DC.
Unfortunately, Miss Stack may have already been persuaded of the existence of certain constitutional protections, which will likely reduce her willingness to cooperate with authorities to tell what she knows. Many of the more liberal American schools now openly include in their curriculum details of how accused persons can circumvent the Constitution by demanding various rights and freedoms. It is an established truth that the Miranda warning instantly renders terrorists worthless for intelligence gathering. The disconnection between American security and its so-called liberties offers an attractive loophole to those fanatics who will hurt America at any cost, even the cost of their own lives. But we must not hesitate to try.
Some have argued that prosecution under the normal criminal codes and procedures is sufficient to meet the terrorist threat. The absurdity of this position is borne out by the results of several prosecutions in which avowed terrorists were sentenced merely to life in prison without any provision for painful interrogation, psychological abuse, or hopelessness. Indeed, these ‘convicts’ now are still free to conspire against the US during their daily exercise hour. Furthermore, the American criminal justice system makes no provision for the punishment of innocent people, so when required those measures must be undertaken surreptitiously, which unfairly degrades the character of the rule of law and of those who must enforce it.
The Executive Branch has established legal precedents for this case. Immediate relatives of terrorists have been detained. Men who fly airplanes into buildings with the clear intention of causing maximum death and destruction have been denied due process some of the time. Protections hinted at by the Constitution or the Geneva Conventions have been withheld from many terrorist enemies as part of the legal consequences of being accused of breaking American law. We have detained family members of terror suspects with casual regularity, though out of a regard for human dignity we have not yet crushed the testicles of any detainee’s son. We have detained without counsel, due process, and trial many people at or under the age of 16. We have detained many women. We have detained and interrogated pets and even the local wildlife. The process is legal.
Since we believe in the rule of law, we are open about the measures that we employ. We have no compunction over revealing precisely what interrogation measures should be applied in this case.
Jihada Stack should first be softened up with repeated slamming into walls. She should be prevented from using the toilet and made to wear filthy, urine-soaked clothing. She should be menaced with dogs or any other animal that is determined to cause her fear and loathing. She should be stripped naked and handcuffed to the lower bars of her cell door, forcing her into a bent stress position for hours or even days, while young American servicemen pass by and examine her, make comments, and perhaps prod at her with sticks. Think of the benefit to our servicemen! It is a positive, affirming experience for young men to see the rule of law applied equally to swarthy Mohamedans and to nubile young white girls with a delicate spray of freckles across their gently swelling hips.

Next, Jihada should suffer exposure to extreme cold and heat over days and even weeks, and be deprived of sleep during that time. All the while her interrogators should be hounding her with questions about her father's associates, his political opinions, and whether he ever said critical things about the United States, the IRS, Barack Obama, or the Dallas Stars. She should be confronted suddenly with public discussion of her innermost secrets, including that text message she sent to Taylor last October. This will convince her of her captors’ godlike control over every aspect of her pathetic life. Next, Jihada should be placed in sensory deprivation gear for days or weeks until she begins to show signs of disassociative mental illness, catatonia, and delirium, though research has shown that veterans of the American public school system are very resistant to this tactic.
It is at this point that terrorists usually become grateful to their captors. There are many reasons for this attitude, but psychosis or Stockholm Syndrome are unlikely because they are seldom associated by Dartmouth graduates with the terrorist mindset. Typically the change arises because of terrorists’ well-known devotion to secret tenets of Islam that require them to be mentally and physically shattered before they can renounce and cooperate. Also, we expect them to be very impressed by the benefits of American freedoms they see firsthand while buried in secret overseas CIA prisons.
This alteration should be evident in Jihada fairly quickly because she is an American teenager who has only recently learned that she is a terrorist. She is mainly used to the comfort of an upper-middle-class right-wing nonHispanic Texas lifestyle, going to the mall and church and school and so forth, rather than having electrodes attached to her genitals. The valuable information Jihada possesses will mainly be subconscious, so her cooperation should not be accepted at face value and it is best that she be subjected to waterboarding after or during the sleep deprivation phase, just to be sure. Given the recent positive attention waterboarding has gained for enhanced interrogation programs, it is sure to be on the menu regardless of its efficacy.
Jihada can in fact help her country. The United States is rapidly gaining rank among the world’s best interrogation enhancers, to the point that the US can expect to win its first ever medals in the upcoming World Championships, considered the premier tuneup to the Olympics scheduled for 2012. But international glory does not come from loyalty to the rulebooks written by the Chinese, the Cambodians, and the Spanish Inquisition. American interrogators must learn to improvise, to innovate, and Jihada Stack may offer the perfect chance to evolve new tactics to bring gold in Naypyidaw.
New interrogation methods are being enhanced every day. Private security firms have proposed starving Jihada then offering her religiously proscribed foods, such as carbohydrates. Exposure to constant low-level sounds has caused some terrorists to crack, so Jihada will be taunted with tape loops of popular cellphone ringtones. The DIA has been experimenting with displays of Facebook pages being updated just out of reach.
Again, it is important in a democracy for all to understand the challenge we face and the steps we must take to meet it. The facts of this case are unpleasant, and the measures we are compelled to use are grim. Enhanced interrogation—even if it is called torture by some—is not just appealing as a political issue. It is effective. Austin cannot bear another assault on its dignity. What next? An atheist display snuck amongst the nativity scenes at the State Capitol? Widespread urban art featuring the visage of Todd Willingham? The cost is high; Jihada Stack is a beautiful young woman with an only slightly tainted future. But American values are under assault. We must not shirk. Waterboard Jihada Stack!
]]> 2010-02-24T00:22:51Z motes1135@msn.com toomanyice9s true toomanyice9s 174.20.233.202 Terrorism means something else entirely.]]> 2010-02-24T01:47:00Z mayagoit@prodigy.net.mx gabrielagarciamayagoitia true gabrielagarciamayagoitia 189.249.2.136 http://www.latimes.com/news/na...]]> 2010-02-24T14:38:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 Do you know of a web site that comprehensively lists state animal enterprise laws all in one place?
Thanks!]]> 2010-02-24T17:17:45Z annajoy@nyu.edu Delci 68.11.31.165
There's certainly a case for advocacy of terrorism that's not being called out with the fringe elements supporting him, but I don't see a very clear case for the act itself being terrorism.]]> 2010-02-24T23:09:45Z pcannon@riseup.net Pete 98.216.159.91 Not that I know of. But it's actually on my list of "to-dos" for the site. I think it'd be really useful.]]> 2010-02-25T00:11:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 10.4.227.68 2010-02-25T07:23:38Z nicolagrobe@yahoo.com Nicola 68.118.55.28 2010-02-25T20:55:59Z baily2@optonline.net matt 10.4.227.68 2010-02-27T13:18:39Z ut@ah.com ut 174.27.171.69 2010-02-27T15:42:33Z vegangrub@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.67.45.11
I think "appear" is the key word. The corporate world knows that green is cutting edge, exciting, and what people aspire to be, but the actualities of achieving green-ness are too difficult and too expensive.

Also, Anneso - we don't use the term MacDo here, and we definitely don't say stuff like: "let's be nicer to Macdo". Animal agriculture inflicts massive amounts of harm to the environment, so until MacDo goes veg they will always be part of the problem.

http://liberationbc.org/issues...

http://www.mccruelty.com/]]> 2010-02-28T04:33:54Z luxuriosity@rocketmail.com Isla Kay 173.183.81.65 Thank you for the work you do to defend and represent the environmental and animal rights movements. The community of “terrorists” that face the reality of institutionalized abuse of animals and the environment depend on honest, informative, insightful journalism to keep the movement and our activism strong and relevant. Your journalism speaks for those whom the government has attempted to make silent. The integrity of your work reflects the integrity of the cause; to restore freedom and secure civil rights.
It is hard to fight the fear. I am very much afraid that if I am true to myself and fully embrace the kind of activist I think I should be, I may go to jail. However, you journalism gives reminds me that this has happened before and that throughout history, justly motivated activists have had to face these fears for the progress of their cause. If I am afraid, then the Green Scare gains momentum.
Please continue your work for as long as the threat to civil rights exists. You are an essential part of the movement.

Thank you]]> 2010-03-01T18:54:52Z sshields@pdx.edu Ses 131.252.231.59 2010-03-03T20:53:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-03-04T15:18:42Z p_e_t_a_sucks@yahoo.com Joe 76.15.55.140 2010-03-05T00:33:19Z moemaxy@aol.com Christian 98.171.163.155 2010-03-07T22:42:49Z weber734@morris.umn.edu Lynn 146.57.10.156
Yes, P.E.T.A. is my ilk. Yes, vegans are my ilk. And yes, our country (U.S.A.) is sacrificing its hard earned freedoms and constitutional protections, in order to best serve your corporate profits.

Do the crime; do the time. Sure. But make that EQUAL time. That is, trespass is trespass. Vandalism is vandalism. Trespass and vandalism are not terrorism, even if they impact your profits or stock price.

Animal testing does not work, and is not needed. Torturing animals is wrong. Some people feel very strongly about this. And yes, I am one of their 'ilk' too.]]> 2010-03-09T05:42:52Z garymcwhorter@att.net roguecamera true roguecamera 74.240.143.123 2010-03-09T11:36:31Z libhomo true openid-11889 24.168.10.32
Check out the ALF guidelines. Quite clear. And I don't consider property damage to be violence because property should never be valued above life, especially if that property is an instrument of suffering and death.

How many individuals—human or nonhuman—has Watson killed? Yep, zero. That's a damn good record for more than three decades of defending marine life, sometimes under the most harrowing circumstances. It demonstrates an obvious deep respect for all life. Too bad we can't say the same for the whalers....

Look at the true origins of the violence, and you'll see that these courageous individuals are only responding as defenders of life. To remain passive or silent is to be complicit to injustice and murder.]]> 2010-03-09T19:29:01Z vegangrub@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.67.45.11 2010-03-09T20:30:46Z cjubic@nycap.rr.com Chris Jubic 72.226.70.91 2010-03-09T21:34:04Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 71.87.212.55
This is how "pie-in-face" can equal "OMG TERRORISM!!!" to some, yet indiscriminately bombing civilians is business as usual to others.

Therefor, "terrorism" has been rendered effectively meaningless in our society.]]> 2010-03-10T00:18:30Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Virgendelavacas 99.38.74.162 You need to come up with some new material, Joe.
Your shit's getting old.]]> 2010-03-10T00:21:12Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com ElitistTreeHuggingWhiteDevil 99.38.74.162 2010-03-12T01:08:59Z vegan_monkeywrench@yahoo.com Colin 71.107.75.22 2010-03-16T00:35:53Z stevian1@yahoo.com.au Steve 192.102.239.195 The preemptive police raids led to the arrests of eight local political organizers, the RNC 8, who are still facing felony conspiracy charges in state district court. The case has dragged on for 18 months. The RNC 8 and the RNC 8 Defense Committee have been sponsoring events in support of Scott and Carrie, and see all of these prosecutions as part of a process of political repression against radical political expression and organizing. For more info, go to: rnc8.org
]]> 2010-03-16T04:37:27Z editor@ajwnews.com Mordecai 97.127.72.159 2010-03-16T09:01:47Z pmunday@mtech.edu EcoRover 205.212.75.119
As far as the raid goes, it's still just a bunch of bullshit and I am sure Peter Young is smart enough not to have any evidence that would incriminate him, not to say that there is any evidence. It's fucking scary that written words, words in opposition with the government and big corporations are considered threats, conspiracy and so on. I openly support the militant factions of the movement, will I be next? Young only runs a blog and does speaking at schools for christs sake! A mention of his name in a diary can make him a co-conspirator with someone else who got railroaded??? What a crock of shit. The only reason Young is being targeted is his website. He is a brilliant man, one which I consider a leader in the movement. The are just trying to remove him from the ranks.

Come on people. When are we going to do something?]]> 2010-03-16T17:25:07Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 146.243.4.157
From http://www.voiceofthevoiceless.../: "Prosecutors also focused on references in the journal to an alleged associate of DeMuth’s, identified in the journal only as “P”. They asserted “P” was me, arguing I was a “fugitive from justice” for 7 years, and this alleged relationship (Scott and I have never met)."

And I would hardly call a reference to the letter P as "ostensibly" linking DeMuth to Young.]]> 2010-03-16T19:04:03Z beeswax@noneofyours.com Ann O'nimis 71.195.52.183 Not that you didn't already know this, but I thought you'd be interested in the article below. Having been stalked by the boston PD for 2 years on my myspace account a few years ago, i feel very strongely about this issue. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/201...]]> 2010-03-16T19:09:50Z jhiemenz@gmail.com Jessica 67.158.109.90 2010-03-16T19:13:20Z cheyannieg@aol.com Judith 68.7.231.203 2010-03-16T19:29:47Z hallidaylarry@yahoo.com TheDoc 174.27.177.212
Resist state repression - stand in solidarity with political prisoners!]]> 2010-03-16T20:07:12Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker true brandonxvx 64.128.215.178 But i am actualy getting more and more interested in this...
I have to say i amnt suprised ....
If that bill thing passes ( i am not at all up to date with this xD i am europeen ), then this site will probebly be in trouble....
This is just the begining in my opinion...

Hang in there Will Potter !!! and keep us up to speed :D]]> 2010-03-16T21:03:35Z mayfist@live.de mayfist true mayfist 94.219.202.5 Solidarity, Peter!]]> 2010-03-16T23:05:08Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 24.189.183.60 2010-03-17T01:37:42Z furderer@hotmail.com Furderer 72.173.51.194
]]> 2010-03-17T12:53:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-03-17T15:40:22Z furderer@hotmail.com Furderer 72.173.51.194 2010-03-17T15:44:03Z Ginette Callaway true twitter-18379617 66.245.102.98 2010-03-17T16:37:25Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.24.243 2010-03-17T17:19:13Z littlebuzzard1@aol.com michele6933 207.200.116.130 2010-03-17T17:31:58Z byrneaa@hotmail.com Ashley 216.54.29.253
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - Martin Luther King, Jr.]]> 2010-03-17T17:39:20Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker true brandonxvx 64.128.215.178
We're with you Peter!

Furderer or Joe, your such an asshole!]]> 2010-03-17T18:11:59Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 66.189.114.69 http://directaction.info/mag_1...]]> 2010-03-18T14:05:42Z info@directaction.info Bite Back 76.109.229.231 Nice try - but you people are not Martin Luther King Jr.'s.
Hi Lin - I don't know who Joe is - but sounds like I would love to meet you both!
I also love the advice Judith gives to all "don't say anything". Yeah - let your gaunt, hollow eyed, fraile boned, vegan lovin', non dairy latte drinking "friend" Carrie break the law and spend the rest of her life in prison....you guys give great advice. With friends like you who needs enemies? I wonder what kind of vegan meals they serve in prison....yummy! Well maybe she will be able to sleep on some organic cotton sheets - that have harmed no animals while being made.
Be strong Peter you hero - you watch all those farms - we're obviously watching you too!]]> 2010-03-19T04:33:31Z furderer@hotmail.com Furderer 72.173.51.194 2010-03-19T13:13:24Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 66.189.114.69 2010-03-19T14:14:33Z tulipwalk@gmail.com tulipwalk23 true tulipwalk23 76.74.114.147
feedthechildren.org
childfund.org
redcross.org
ncadv.org

Speciesism - I always love it when you play that card. Let's conduct a little experiment - you go up in the mountains, with nothing but the clothes on your back.....and live through all four seasons there. We'll see exactly what "species" survives.

People first!!!]]> 2010-03-19T14:39:58Z furderer@hotmail.com Furderer 72.173.51.194

----- Original message -----]]> 2010-03-20T03:35:06Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 10.202.2.215
Carrie Feldman should be applauded as well, she did not give into the corrupt grand jury system and stood behind her political beliefs. I think she is released now, but I am not positively sure.

Who the hell are you to say what are better "causes"?. Any cause that fights against oppression, human and non human are causes that need to be fought. Right now your losing your civil liberties, is that a cause worth fighting for? Animal Liberation=Human Liberation. But that's just something you will never "get".

Everyone, keep writing our political prisoners!



]]> 2010-03-20T14:08:23Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 66.189.114.69
"This holiday honors the courage of a man who endured harassment, threats and beatings, and even bombings. We commemorate the man who went to jail 29 times to achieve freedom for others, and who knew he would pay the ultimate price for his leadership, but kept on marching and protesting and organizing anyway."
]]> 2010-03-20T14:55:25Z helplightenmeup@hotmail.com Trish 71.131.134.53
Under S.3081, an “individual” need only be “suspected” by government of “purposefully and materially supporting hostilities” against civilians or U.S. Government to be “detained in military custody” as an Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent. Any one Protesting separately or with others at a demonstration would run the risk of being detained and interrogated by government on the basis they are suspected of having supported hostile activities, whether or not violence took place. That may include any person or group that expressed disapproval against any branch or agency of the United States. Under S.3081 how could a detained protester prove he or she did not “purposely support hostilities against civilians or the United States?” S.3081 could be used by a corrupt Government to interrogate and or indefinitely detain their dissenters and political opposition.

When you consider history, McCain’s bill could have the potential of spawning domestic terrorism in the United States. Citizens in other countries to resist a perceived tyrannical government have gone underground. Consider how Americans might respond should U.S. Government use this bill to take away their loved ones, family members and friends on mere suspicion.

At least under the Patriot Act, law enforcement generally needed probable cause to detain a person indefinitely. Passage of S.3081 will permit government to use mere suspicion to curtail an individual’s Constitutional Protections against unlawful arrest, detention and interrogation without benefit of legal counsel and trial. According to S.3081 Government is not required to provide detained individuals Miranda Warnings or even an attorney.]]> 2010-03-21T06:24:44Z triplenet@netzero.net rosswolf true rosswolf 69.111.243.178 2010-03-22T04:01:10Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Virgendelavacas 69.151.72.42 2010-03-22T04:04:55Z apocalyptopia@gmail.com Virgendelavacas 69.151.72.42 I've just finished a video for a song I recorded "Hidden Crimes" about vivisection.
Please take a moment and watch it, then you might want to link or embed or pass along --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

thank you!
-Andi
]]> 2010-03-22T06:55:14Z blakmira1@yahoo.com Andi 98.242.79.147
from narconews.com -
"The blood from three murders has stained Salvadoran land. The murderers? They reek of gold and silver. Gustavo Marcelo Rivera, Ramiro Rivera Gómez and Dora Alicia Recinos were murdered in 2009. They were leading the opposition to metallic mining in their communities in the state of Cabañas, in northern El Salvador.

On December 26, 2009, anti-mining activist Dora Alicia Recinos Sorto was murdered in the community of Trinidad, Cabañas, when she was returning home from washing clothes in a nearby river. Eight months pregnant, she was shot five times. Her husband was José Santos, spokesperson for the Cabañas Environmental Committee."

http://www.narconews.com/Issue...]]> 2010-03-22T13:50:52Z mtitus100@hotmail.com mt1000 true mt1000 72.252.9.52 2010-03-22T13:51:35Z acooney@seibertkeck.com auroracooney true auroracooney 208.40.108.163
Will this video be available so we can see and hear what happened at the conference? We definitely want to hear you speaking.]]> 2010-03-24T15:48:42Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 24.181.229.174 2010-03-24T15:53:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-03-24T17:00:08Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 24.181.229.174
A a video on Bolivia's melting glaciers (http://democracyctr.org/blog/2...)

A new article in Yes! Magazine (http://www.yesmagazine.org/pla...).

We are also getting ready to report on the upcoming World People's Conference on Climate Change and the Rights of Mother Earth (http://democracyctr.org/blog/2...), an alternative response to failures of Copenhagen.

Keep your eyes out for our coverage!
(www.democracyctr.org)
]]> 2010-03-24T17:55:53Z contact@democracyctr.org Democracy Center 190.11.90.79 thanks :-)]]> 2010-03-25T00:35:36Z quawn_78@yahoo.com Reina 67.131.78.10 You don't need to be a NY resident--"state-issued" means from any state, not just NY. Hope to see you there! Will]]> 2010-03-25T13:17:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-03-25T14:18:45Z rklablances@yahoo.com ray 206.138.130.2
all i have to say is put up or shut the f*ck up]]> 2010-03-25T20:17:10Z s@xyz.org bubba redneck 184.12.235.85 2010-03-26T01:34:03Z quawn_78@yahoo.com Reina 67.131.78.10 2010-03-27T12:20:41Z greenart4me@hotmail.com Andy D. 75.207.112.201 2010-03-27T13:00:35Z jeremypaul1986@hotmail.com jmp 24.101.222.162 i <3 odette, i <3 green is the new red, i <3 sociologists and i hate repression. this is the perfect event!
if only i could be there :/]]> 2010-03-28T09:12:11Z vegina.mail@gmail.com vegina 71.107.94.121 2010-03-29T04:48:15Z a@a.com hkjhkl 128.2.66.178 2010-03-29T14:23:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
Page 14:

Palmer Erickson fur farm
Jewell, IA
Received anonymously.
“After receiving a request for more
information on the Palmer Erickson
fur farm, we entered the property in
the middle of the day and compiled
this brief report. Enclosed, please nd
photos of the animals and layout of the
farm. This is the last fur industry target
in Jewell untouched by the A.L.F.
Inside the Erickson farm, which is not
visible from Saratoga Ave, we found
the following: many thousands of both
black and white mink, and approxi-
mately 100 foxes held in pens at the
rear of the property. We would like to
point out Erickson’s house is located
quite a distance from the mink and fox
pens. We were able to freely move about
this farm during the day, an effort that
would be made even easier under dark-
ness. While we failed in our duty to save
these animals, we hope these photos in-
spire others to act with their hearts and
bring this sick enterprise to an end.”

This sounds legit. Maybe the next time I'm passing through this 1,000-person town in Iowa I'll swing by this farm and see if there's a lawful protest going on. I guess I'd probably have a better chance of coming across some unfairly maligned totally above-board activists if I show up at night.]]> 2010-03-29T17:11:32Z a@a.com hkjhkl 96.236.148.103 2010-03-29T17:40:29Z a@a.com hkjhkl 96.236.148.103 http://animals.change.org/blog...

And, not surprisingly, people like you tried to silence them.]]> 2010-03-29T17:46:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-03-30T07:05:56Z kaitlynn.alondras@yahoo.com Organic Spirulina Powder true organicspirulinapowder 61.19.51.101
I just have a problem with labeling everything "terrorist" in the first place. Application of this term has inspired more fear than the terrorists themselves. Take 2007: How many Americans died as a direct result of terrorism? 4. How many died of obesity-related diseases (heart disease, diabetes)? 700,000. What should we be more scared of? Because of the way this country (i.e. the government and the mainstream media) applies the term, "terrorist," we are allowed to invade and occupy other countries. We are allowed to strip away the civil rights of our own citizens. We are allowed to capture and detain innocents from other countries for an indefinite amount of time. The real damage to the American people is not being done by violent animal rights activists or crack addicts or Muslim extremists or Christian fundamentalist militiamen. It is being done by the government in conjunction with the corporations that keep America's poor poor and America's fat fat (because of the cheap cost of fast food these two often go hand-in-hand). Their other main goal is to keep all of us frightened because it is through that fear that they can control us. One look at how irrational our fear of "terrorism" has become and one begins to see the awesome power of a single, simple word.

(Sorry for the slightly off-topic rant, but the more cases of this sort of thing that I see, the more I think there is a need for people to realize just what is being done to them and their fellow man in the name of freedom, liberty, justice, or whatever.)]]> 2010-04-02T20:04:51Z mostwelcome@hotmail.com MostWelcomeGuest 63.119.9.135 Anyway, so much for "change we can believe in"... :-/]]> 2010-04-06T00:35:03Z Wonko_derVerständige true twitter-30283659 87.185.212.234 2010-04-06T05:06:29Z littlebuzzard1@aol.com michele 207.200.116.71 2010-04-07T15:47:31Z tpeterson@calfinder.com taylen true taylen 71.6.114.250 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04...]]> 2010-04-07T15:48:01Z saturdaynight247@hotmail.com NewEthic true NewEthic 71.197.5.118 2010-04-07T16:51:31Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LisaLiberationNOW 170.63.96.108 2010-04-07T19:10:23Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.158.25 2010-04-07T23:16:34Z vegangrub@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.67.45.11 2010-04-08T14:40:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-04-09T00:19:41Z boogerpi@yahoo.com Jables 67.175.217.125 2010-04-09T15:01:38Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LisaLiberationNOW 24.177.139.37 2010-04-09T23:25:41Z kylee.dana@yahoo.com Drill Press Vise true drillpressvisereviews 124.121.236.55 http://www.crimethinc.com/text...

The comment about the ABC makes sense given DeMuth's involvement in ABC at the time and the attention directed at it by the Director of the FBI Robert Mueller in February of 2005:

The potential for violence by anarchists and other emerging revolutionary groups, such as the Anarchist Black Cross Federation (ABCF), will continue to be an issue for law enforcement. The stated goals of the ABCF are "the abolishment of prisons, the system of laws, and the Capitalist state." http://www.fbi.gov/congress/co...

The journal seems to speak more to the paranoia surrounding the ongoing "terrorization" of dissent (even pre-Green Scare indictments) than to any actual "terrorism".]]> 2010-04-09T23:29:46Z email@whatisthat.net DoesHisHomework 75.72.218.95 2010-04-10T03:04:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
According to the affidavit from the Iowa Joint Terrorism Task Force, Scott DeMuth was living in the house at 2301 23rd Ave. So., which was raided by one of the heavily armed SWAT teams (comprised of Minneapolis cops, Ramsey County sheriff's deputies and FBI agents. These raids were based on hyped-up allegations, mainly reported by paid police informants, which led to eight local organizers, the RNC 8, being arrested and charged with "conspiracy to riot in furtherance of terrorism."

In April 2009, the "terrorism" charges were dropped, because the Ramsey County attorney acknowledged that they would be a "distraction" at trial. The RNC 8 defendants each still face two felony conspiracy charges.

You can read a memo supporting the motion to suppress evidence seized in the Minneapolis house raids at: http://rnc8.org/wp-content/upl...

The RNC 8 Defense Committee is working to mobilize support for the upcoming hearings in May, for a trial that has been scheduled for Oct. 25, and in defense of Scott DeMuth, who has been snared in the dangerous, ongoing government efforts to criminalize dissent.

First they came for anarchists — will they come for you next?


]]> 2010-04-10T03:49:51Z editor@ajwnews.com Mordecai 97.127.58.214
This is the ugly and the beauty of our system. One man and his staff can run an office how they want, but when they are voted out and replaced, that office can change. And our current day, has obviously put a value on ones skin color which hopefully will not blind too many people.

Del
www.delthedad.com
twitter @delthedad]]> 2010-04-10T20:00:18Z delthedad@hotmail.com Del The Dad true delthedad 24.21.20.17 http://sanfrancisco.fbi.gov/do...

By contrast, the AETA4 face five years for allegedly participating in demonstrations and chalking the sidewalk.]]> 2010-04-11T02:43:07Z uherhuewu345@aol.com doesntfit 209.40.81.254
Such fucking nonsense. Thanks, Will.]]> 2010-04-12T11:34:49Z kensxe@gmail.com Kenneth M. Montville true Kenxvx 72.218.130.193 2010-04-12T12:28:01Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-04-12T12:28:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-04-12T15:33:37Z may68@me.com alice2112 true alice2112 65.100.143.58 2010-04-12T15:39:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
My point is that maybe ALF was targeted a lot easier since everything that was going on in our nation and the recnt gain of power from the war on terror.

Some people forget to associate the actual time in history and what was going on with what they are talking about.

Maybe you should do a little research into the FBI. I am a senior in Political Science, and I do not just pull comments out my ass and take what I hear from people with no knpowledge and turn it into truth. Just because you think you know it all, more likely means you don't know too much, or you cannot think about too much.

And Obama has NOTHING to do with something that occurred 5 years back...but then again I am sure you were against 'obamacare' or whatever the funk it is...]]> 2010-04-12T16:35:01Z delthedad@hotmail.com Del The Dad true delthedad 24.21.20.17 2010-04-12T18:31:12Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.158.25
Here is the link: http://negotiationisover.com

Just being on facebook, myspace or any other social networking site will be next. They will look for specific people and specific groups. Gee, they don't even track people who go to porn sites or neo-nazi sites, do they? What a fucking world.]]> 2010-04-12T21:46:14Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LisaLiberationNOW 68.116.194.54
I linked it to my facebook page.]]> 2010-04-12T21:51:35Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LisaLiberationNOW 68.116.194.54 2010-04-13T01:15:55Z t2dogsandme@hotmail.com My Name is Nobody 173.21.245.68 2010-04-13T01:45:15Z email@whatisthat.net DoesHisHomework 75.72.218.95 2010-04-13T02:25:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-04-13T14:27:37Z vegangrub@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.67.45.11 2010-04-13T22:50:15Z omgsoy@gmail.com omgsoy true omgsoy 98.207.16.241 2010-04-14T17:24:42Z athonwy@gmail.com Athonwy 67.189.102.201 2010-04-14T18:47:35Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LisaLiberationNOW 146.243.4.157 And comparing the apartheid movement to the animal rights movement is ridiculous. Stick with protests and letters and you will accomplish more.]]> 2010-04-15T17:50:37Z jbrown324320@gmail.com JB 136.234.178.48 http://www.targetofopportunity.../]]> 2010-04-15T17:56:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
We met at AR last year, my name's Jan. I just recently started an anti-civilization/animal liberation/earth lib etc. blog. I have your page on my sidebar, adore your site, plug it to everyone I can. I would really appreciate it if you would check it out, and perhaps link to it if you likey?? That would help me out sooooo much! Couple days ago I posted a very long very awesome original interview I did with Derrick Jensen.


www.TheRewildWest.com

Also, I might be going to jail soon after a fabricated profiled traffic stop and illegal search and seizure in illinois, check out my support site:

www.SupportJan.com

Thanks, keep up the great work! I'd love to know on my blog what you think.]]> 2010-04-15T22:51:36Z janaustinsmith@gmail.com Jan 98.207.45.87 2010-04-16T19:08:25Z kennethfeld@duchebad.com copsandrobbers 74.66.224.67 2010-04-16T20:01:15Z nativeofny22@gmail.com None 74.66.224.67 2010-04-17T02:26:28Z abcmelb@yahoo.com.au peterrabbit 114.78.169.246 2010-04-18T17:12:17Z jackandjanie@gmail.com jack o'rourke 174.57.217.76 2010-04-19T09:47:53Z dr.kandimba@gmail.com Ricardo Coelho true ricardo_coelho 93.102.79.223
As a Marxist (the term "Red" is a bit anachronistic), I'm disgusted by the romantic anti-capitalism and mindless actionism of the "Green" movement that has become so fashionable lately. It's by far the most wretched and ineffectual of all the reactionary ideologies that are floating around today's Left. To me, all it really signifies is the total impoverishment of the international Left and its regression to an extremely naive and self-righteous caricature of itself.

Listen: the problem is not a bunch of manipulative bastards scheming in board meetings from Wall Street or wherever, "pulling the strings" of Washington. Belonging to some gigantic, "soulless" corporation is not just a bad lifestyle choice or anything along those lines. Surely, special interests are real, and there are manipulative bastards in this world. But the problem is not that of which special interests are in control of things. It's a structural problem of global capitalism, which in its present stage of neoliberalism necessitates the present situation. The only way to solve this problem is to fundamentally transform society by removing its basis in the logic of self-valorizing value, or capital.

Unless you understand this basic Marxist insight, you're bound to get lost in the kind of banal paranoid conspiracy theories that this article pushes. And just for the record, what you call the "Green scare" is hardly comparable to either of the two major "Red scare(s)" in our nation's history in terms of scale or even tactics. The reason why should be obvious. The international Communist movement (even in its degenerate Stalinist and Maoist forms) was backed by powerful authoritarian states that possessed nuclear stockpiles and huge militaries, which were moreover political rivals with the more traditional liberal democracies of Western Europe and the U.S.

Though the Green movement has a somewhat rational basis in terms of its concerns over environmental "sustainability" and so on, I would argue that this is only important insofar as it facilitates the continuation of modern society. More often than not, however, its ideology is bound up with a nauseating veneration of nature and the primitive. Its advocates are always bemoaning the "corporate agenda" that keeps shutting down their mission of wholesome, feel-good emancipation. It hypostatizes nature as some sort of transhistorical phenomenon and views society's utilization of it as invasive and exploitative. Surely, we are alienated from nature at the present moment, but this is an outcome of long historical processes. And the answer is not in reverting back to the fiction of some pre-capitalist paradise where these problems didn't exist.

The point should not be some romantic "respect" for nature, but rather society's self-conscious mastery over nature. As Trotskii wrote in 1924, "The Socialist man will rule all nature by the machine, with its grouse and its sturgeons. He will point out places for mountains and for passes. He will change the course of the rivers, and he will lay down rules for the oceans. The idealist simpletons may say that this will be a bore, but that is why they are simpletons. Of course this does not mean that the entire globe will be marked off into boxes, that the forests will be turned into parks and gardens. Most likely, thickets and forests and grouse and tigers will remain, but only where man commands them to remain. And man will do it so well that the tiger won’t even notice the machine, or feel the change, but will live as he lived in primeval times. The machine is not in opposition to the earth."]]> 2010-04-20T01:35:18Z rlwolfe@uchicago.edu rosswolfe true rosswolfe 205.208.125.249 2010-04-20T01:38:57Z rlwolfe@uchicago.edu rosswolfe true rosswolfe 205.208.125.249 2010-04-21T15:46:53Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker true brandonxvx 98.26.75.64 2010-04-21T16:44:59Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.158.25 2010-04-21T16:51:25Z jen.sorenson@gmail.com js 208.27.203.128 2010-04-21T16:57:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-04-21T17:44:05Z kezia@evolotuspr.com Kezia 75.43.220.236 2010-04-21T18:45:04Z jen.sorenson@gmail.com js 208.27.203.128 2010-04-21T18:45:53Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com lisaliberationnow true lisaliberationnow 170.63.96.108 2010-04-21T19:24:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
That's a fair point, and I didn't mean to portray this legislation as being quite that ambiguous or arbitrary. Ultimately I think there is going to be a version of this law with adequate safeguards.]]> 2010-04-21T19:28:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-04-21T21:34:38Z anonymous@gmail.com anonymous 87.118.101.175
http://here.am/post/538764545/...]]> 2010-04-21T21:40:21Z daniel.mims@gmail.com here true here 74.73.241.170 2010-04-21T21:44:10Z daniel.mims@gmail.com here true here 74.73.241.170 2010-04-21T21:46:20Z daniel.mims@gmail.com here true here 74.73.241.170
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/.../

Unfortunately, it limits itself only to so-called "crush videos." Commercial activity relating to dogfighting videos, etc. will not be prohibited. I hope other laws are introduced to supplement this one, but I really can't see how this is a genuine victory for the animal welfare movement.]]> 2010-04-21T22:00:52Z daniel.mims@gmail.com here true here 74.73.241.170
But I disagree with the court's holding, and I have to comment on this part: "Some activists have incorrectly portrayed the Supreme Court as ruling that animal cruelty is protected speech. Far from it."

First, I think it's important to understand that it's not the cruelty that is protected. It's the depictions of cruelty that are protected.

The Supreme Court declined to categorically exempt depictions of animal cruelty from First Amendment protection. The court stated, "When we have identified categories of speech as fully outside the protection of the First Amendment, it has not been on the basis of a simple cost-benefit analysis. In Ferber, for example, we classified child pornography as such a category . . . we decline to carve out from the First Amendment any novel exception for §48." (page 8-9 of the opinion) Effectively, because they refused to carve out that exception, the Court did rule that depictions of animal cruelty are protected under the First Amendment, unlike child pornography and speech integral to criminal conduct.

Alito's dissent includes a good comparison between crush videos and child pornography:

"All three of these characteristics are shared by §48, as applied to crush videos. First, the conduct depicted in crush videos is criminal in every State and the District ofColumbia . . . Second, the criminal acts shown in crush videos cannot be prevented without targeting the conduct prohibited by §48—the creation, sale, and possession for sale of depictions of animal torture with the intention of realizing a commercial profit. . . . Finally, the harm caused by the underlying crimes vastly outweighs any minimal value that the depictions might conceivably be thought to possess." (page 14-15 of the dissent)

Alito's dissent also goes through the same analysis for videos of dog fights, as compared to child porn.

And as Alito explains, videos made/distributed by AR groups would fall in the exception for serious, educational, historical or scientific value.]]> 2010-04-22T03:06:03Z animalrights.guide@about.com ARguide true ARguide 96.242.57.184 2010-04-22T04:49:04Z animalrights.guide@about.com ARguide true ARguide 96.242.57.184
You are correct in saying that the court refused to create a new class of exemptions to First Amendment activity. However, you cannot make the logical leap to then argue that this means the court "did rule that depictions of animal cruelty are protected." They are not the same. Refusing to create a new class of unprotected activity, because a law is overly vague, is not the same thing as stating the animal cruelty videos are protected speech.
]]> 2010-04-22T11:22:42Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-04-22T11:24:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-04-22T12:48:55Z xacrox@gmail.com Jordan Halliday 174.27.177.212
That said, read Part IV of Alito's dissent and rage or cry. I did a little of both. It was nice to see the Supreme Court (even if it was only one judge) recognize animal suffering as a societal ill. That language is a very, very small victory, but from such a conservative institution, it's something.]]> 2010-04-22T18:44:38Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com matthew 99.50.48.231
violence is actions that harm or kill people. it is impossible to justify regarding destruction of property being classified as violent or dangerous, yet the companies that produce products which are dangerous to people and other species are given a free pass. property and profits are not anywhere on the same level as a human life, and you have argued that it is fine to damage people but not property. it is completely despicable to even attempt to call someone challenging corporate power self-righteous or that they are deciding what people should or should not do, even if they are, and excuse big businesses who have literally spent the past century controlling our policies and laws to favor themselves at the expense of the health of all of us, and control behavior of citizens and consumers and control our options of what we can purchase. i agree, it is wrong to control the options for others, and that is what environmentalists challenge when they take on industries that try to prohibit any check on their pursuit of profits. the processes of law and policy making in this country have been closed to the public and any voice that is critical, so people look for ways outside of that to challenge what must be challenged. too often their actions do not work to that effect and too often negatively affect public opinion, but if we focus on the people taking those actions or the actions themselves and do not ask WHY they took those actions and WHAT they were attempting to do, we are foolish and complicit in our own undoing.]]> 2010-04-22T20:14:59Z dp76@nau.edu dp 24.121.33.118 http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2010/... on a number of good points, maybe only of interest to the legal community but possibly of wider interest. The last two paragraphs make very good points.]]> 2010-04-22T20:27:49Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com matthew 99.50.48.231
Just wanted to add my sympathetic but slightly different take...

From your recent post,
http://www.greenisthenewred.co.../

How do they justify labeling activists who have never harmed anyone with the same term as people who have flown planes into buildings?

A report by the Department of Homeland Security called “Eco-terrorism: Environmental and Animal Rights Militants in the United States” reveals part of the answer:

“All of these beliefs stand in direct contrast to the notion of individualism as promoted by Western culture.”

"Put another way, the beliefs of a growing segment of the environmental movement go beyond urging people to switch lightbulbs or drive hybrids. Their critique challenges widespread cultural values, and questions deeply-held beliefs about whether humans have the right to exploit the natural world. "

***

MY VIEW: Good start but wrong conclusions. The establishment doesn't care if you worship nature... the challenge they're afraid of is that beyond switching lightbulbs and hybrids lies questions about the real pros and cons of capitalism vs. alternatives.

That's infinitely more frightening to the security establishment than Sea Shephards or whatever, who are allowed to have their own Discovery Channel show.

I don't want to be factional but as resource issues inevitably become the dominant social issues of our time this is far from a trivial difference of opinion.

Take care!]]> 2010-04-22T20:36:06Z christianlarsen.jobs@gmail.com Lcl 69.235.209.94 2010-04-22T23:31:48Z gloomypdx@gmail.com arparp 209.2.227.167 2010-04-23T03:04:56Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 64.30.2.130 2010-04-23T03:06:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 64.30.2.130 2010-04-23T03:10:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 64.30.2.130 2010-04-23T03:10:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 64.30.2.130 2010-04-23T11:16:18Z animalrights.guide@about.com ARguide true ARguide 96.242.57.184 2010-04-23T12:50:35Z jerry@activist.com jerryfriedman true jerryfriedman 98.141.68.139 2010-04-23T18:35:23Z feraledge@gmail.com Kevin Tucker 24.131.25.154 2010-04-23T20:49:30Z queenmum@aol.com Diane G. 72.219.157.220
However after reading more into it... I don't think people should be able to profit off videos where 'they' are the deliverers of the abuse. At the same time, if someone is releasing a video like that... they obviously are breaking the law (just by abusing the animals alone [with the exception of a vivisector/farmer filming his/her work] & would be charged anyway, if found.]]> 2010-04-25T22:59:26Z xacrox@gmail.com Jordan Halliday 174.27.177.212
Also, I just finished reading your little article, "What is the Totality?". Now that I have, I can say without hyperbole that it was one of the most excruciatingly terrible pieces of writing I've ever, ever had to suffer through.]]> 2010-04-25T23:33:01Z rlwolfe@uchicago.edu rosswolfe true rosswolfe 99.23.136.94 2010-04-26T03:24:09Z pjbattuello@yahoo.com Patrick Battuello true patrickbattuello 74.76.228.153 2010-04-26T12:23:43Z pjbattuello@yahoo.com Patrick Battuello true patrickbattuello 74.76.228.153 2010-04-26T16:47:11Z Corvus true openid-22928 130.49.139.143 This ruling will make it more difficult to protect non humans now...FOR SURE!!!

http://downwithtyranny.blogspo...]]> 2010-04-26T17:18:46Z Phatp@aol.com philipsteir true philipsteir 76.90.106.206 2010-04-26T17:51:56Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
so true, Will. She makes me sick! It is of no surprise that she was one of the witnesses testifying for this horrendous unjust law. Her animal research has now been reinstated but she is under close supervision? Do they think she has learned her lesson and is all better now??? She is the same sadistic torturer she was before.

The AETA was passed with these dramatic hollywood type testimonies being a key part to it's passage. And the oscar goes too? Like I said, makes me sick!]]> 2010-04-26T19:55:54Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com lisaliberationnow true lisaliberationnow 146.243.4.157 2010-04-26T22:43:26Z daveric@lycoming.edu blank 209.183.184.100 go figure.....dumb bitch]]> 2010-04-26T22:48:52Z anonymized-46828927@disqus.com Guest 72.199.173.188 go figure.....dumb bitch]]> 2010-04-26T22:50:44Z AFeralGrin@gmail.com GreenOrb true GreenOrb 72.199.173.188 2. The same tactics, warnings, arrests, etc are taking place in the United States.
3. You're right on one point. They're American corporations operating overseas, which corporations frequently do in order to skirt labor laws and civil rights.]]> 2010-04-27T00:40:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
http://fortenbras.com/forcesof.../

The so-called "Center for Consumer Freedom" is a phony consumer group funded by food and agribusiness companies that include Tyson Foods ($100,000.), Wendy's ($200,000.), Monsanto ($200,000.), Outback Steakhouse ($164,000), Coca-Cola ($200,000), Excel/Cargill ($100,000.), Pilgrim's Pride ($100,000) and dozens of other firms.

http://www.cspinet.org/about/f...

Fiscal Year 2006 (July 1, 2005 - June 30, 2006)
Rockefeller Family Fund

Fiscal Year 2005 (July 1, 2004 - June 30, 2005)
Rockefeller Family Fund
Rockefeller Foundation

http://www.gene.ch/gentech/200...

...But now, after years of sitting on the sidelines in the genetically
engineered food debate, Jacobson has received biotech funding from the
Rockefeller Foundation, and CSPI is praising the alleged benefits and
safety of GE food.

As a result, Berman's Guest Choice Network is praising CSPI, especially
after CSPI's Gregory Jaffe told the New York Times that the benefits of
GE food, "without any evidence of harm to humans or the environment —
partly explain why engineered crops are spreading so rapidly."...]]> 2010-04-27T02:47:22Z wvoutlaw2k@aim.com wvoutlaw2k true wvoutlaw2k 173.80.123.12
Thanks for all the info.....
grassroots work and direct action, is the key!]]> 2010-04-28T04:56:19Z AFeralGrin@gmail.com GreenOrb true GreenOrb 72.199.173.188 2010-04-28T06:08:58Z rightauk@sisqtel.net Flu-Bird 198.68.23.120
Thank you for sharing this.]]> 2010-04-28T09:28:53Z chinarose@aol.com ChinaRose 99.194.16.212 2010-04-28T11:49:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-04-28T17:31:54Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com lisaliberationnow true lisaliberationnow 24.181.229.54
These targeted prosecutions and political witch hunts have been going on throughout all of American history. Only the names have changed (anarchist, communist, terrorist, etc). That's kind of the whole point of this blog. It has nothing to do with which half of the oligarchy is in power at the time. Take your own advice and do a little research next time before you make a fuss and embarass yourself.]]> 2010-04-28T17:32:07Z briesa37@uwosh.edu Wilbur 174.20.178.164
All animals "exploit" the environment to the extent that they can, and human beings are no exception. It's dubious to assume that human beings are separate from nature, anyway. It's therefore quite strange to say that what we are doing is "unnatural."]]> 2010-04-29T21:46:24Z rlwolfe@uchicago.edu rosswolfe true rosswolfe 99.23.136.94 2010-04-29T22:08:38Z rlwolfe@uchicago.edu rosswolfe true rosswolfe 99.23.136.94 2010-05-01T15:43:48Z mike@xpolitical.com madmike117 true madmike117 173.80.217.114 2010-05-01T18:56:00Z greenfarm@hotmail.com custer12 true custer12 164.58.98.14
www.TheRewildWest.com

Thanks!

<3 Jan]]> 2010-05-01T19:51:46Z janaustinsmith@gmail.com Jan 216.7.75.28 2010-05-01T19:52:34Z janaustinsmith@gmail.com Jan 216.7.75.28 http://supportjan.com/
I'm an activist pulled over for an illegal, profile-based traffic violation that I did not commit, and then my vehicle was illegally searched and property seized. The site will explain things. My friends at Thomas Paine's Corner actually posted a blog about my case; I would be thrilled if you would do the same! Please contact me if you would like any more specific information about all the horrible, corrupt, illegal things they have built their case out of. Thank you.]]> 2010-05-01T19:56:16Z janaustinsmith@gmail.com Jan 216.7.75.28 2010-05-01T21:09:20Z nativeofny22@gmail.com GW 69.140.156.193 2010-05-01T21:36:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-05-01T21:36:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
The nearer to direct sunlight we consume energy, our vibration raises accordingly. Reduce depression and anxiety by alleviating the stress and pain from helpless animals by refusing the demand of blood lust at every meal. We can call it what it is "oppression". There is nothing like that occurring, nor threatening to the main stream populace, due to the actions or ideologies of Earth and Animal Liberationists.

"Power concedes nothing without a demand." -Fredrick Douglas]]> 2010-05-01T22:46:12Z veganimalien@riseup.net vegancabal true vegancabal 174.25.48.134 2010-05-02T16:43:33Z rlwolfe@uchicago.edu rosswolfe true rosswolfe 99.23.132.104 2010-05-02T17:54:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-05-02T19:38:54Z earthy_wolf1@hotmail.com margie54 true margie54 71.99.208.165 2010-05-03T08:19:16Z larsonallan75@yahoo.com public records true larsonallan75 59.93.204.114
Anyway, yeah, I can see that civil liberties is your main concern. That and featuring vegan chefs sporting delightfully pseudo-ironic "domestic terrorist" aprons that you sell for $20 a pop. A truly worthy cause, haha.]]> 2010-05-03T16:05:11Z rlwolfe@uchicago.edu rosswolfe true rosswolfe 99.23.132.138 2010-05-04T04:37:13Z rukio@loi.com Rulio 71.226.39.23 2010-05-04T07:39:21Z larsonallan75@yahoo.com public records true larsonallan75 59.93.208.18 2010-05-04T09:25:06Z pets.streetmall@gmail.com Hannah 110.54.166.73 2010-05-04T21:28:03Z contactchriswhite@gmail.com Chris in Pensacola, Florida 98.170.198.205 2010-05-04T21:51:35Z patriots5412@gmail.com wwkayaker5412 true wwkayaker5412 216.164.183.33
I am writing today to express my opposition to Central Management Units (CMU's) within our prison systems. Until recently, I wasn't even aware there were such places. The very existence of “secret” prisons are unconstitutional and violate a prisoner's rights. They are not even allowed to appeal these secret transfers or to get an explanation about why they are being sent there. Being kept in isolation is inhumane. Why do they not have the ability and the right to appeal to the courts? It is cruel and unusual treatment not allowing the prisoner's the ability to communicate with family members, and friends. The lack of physical contact takes a toll on families and further punishes the inmate emotionally. There are no specific reasons given for this abusive treatment.

These men and women are political prisoner's and are locked away for crimes that the government wants to keep from the public's view. They are not even told why they are being kept at these facilities and most have no prior history of communications violations or disciplinary problems of any kind. So why are they there? Why hasn't the government until now, allowed the public to voice their opposition, support or opinions about this topic? The public should have had a say before these places where even allowed to be opened. In a democracy, prisoner's still have the right to due process. I strongly oppose these secret prisons and demand that they are closed.

Sincerely,
Lisa Wilson]]> 2010-05-04T23:59:28Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com lisaliberationnow true lisaliberationnow 66.189.124.49 2010-05-05T00:16:30Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com lisaliberationnow true lisaliberationnow 66.189.124.49 2010-05-05T01:37:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
When it comes to energy the answer is YES!]]> 2010-05-06T03:56:03Z quizmasteriq@yahoo.com Paul 68.191.71.218
And to the ass argument 'they're animals, not people'; we had better collectively change that way of thinking. We're part of an ecosystem that once fucked won't care what species we are.]]> 2010-05-06T06:51:36Z rukio@loi.com Rulio 71.226.39.23
Read James Hansen's book, The Storms of my Grandchildren, it should scare the shit out of anyone concerned about this planet.]]> 2010-05-06T14:08:36Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com lisaliberationnow true lisaliberationnow 170.63.96.108
It is entirely possible to examine our way of life while at the same time recognizing that if this was in fact a strategic bombing (not unheard of, when it comes to extremist groups, even in America), it is well on its way to achieving the desired results.

Considering that the green movement is no monolith - just like conservatives or liberals there are environmentalists of all stripes, both reasonable and extremist - it is entirely plausible that a group would justify the end of a cease to oil-drilling with the means of an environmental disaster. Writing it off as an impossibility would be just as foolish as ignoring the abuse of our natural resources and the unchecked capitalism of oil and coal companies.]]> 2010-05-06T21:30:36Z mbrown@covenant.edu Matt 66.255.16.50 2010-05-07T04:47:07Z animallib555@gmail.com lavender menace 174.133.180.2
You're right on one point, though: it is entirely possible that some group would go to this extreme, including murdering 11 people, to make a political point. However, animal rights and environmental groups have never harmed a single human being. Far-right militias and Christian extremist groups, however, cannot make the same claim. If any domestic groups are being suspected in an incident like this, it should be those with a demonstrated history of violence.]]> 2010-05-07T13:22:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-05-07T13:24:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-05-07T14:19:49Z kirkstefanski@gmail.com kirkstefanski true kirkstefanski 70.110.203.125 2010-05-07T14:19:48Z kirkstefanski@gmail.com kirk 70.110.203.125
IF we expand our drilling in the gulf and other places to increase our OWN oil production, thus moving AWAY from foreign oil...who suffers? WHO loses money? You know as well as I do that usually it's all about the 'benjamins'. And again...How would a 'bomb' or other destructive device get on board the rig? Could I assume with reasonable assurance that only trained/experienced oil workers are hired and allowed on the rigs? That there IS some kind of security there? That they don't just let anyone on board? If that were so, then I hardly think some environmentalist could board, carrying a device, and not be noticed at some point. It would have to be an 'inside' job. Someone allowed on the rig. And could they be bribed to set the device or do something to make the rig explode?
So...IF I were a conspiracy theory person...Would I think that it would be in the interest of..say...Venezuela... to cause an 'accident'...right after Obama says he's going to allow drilling...thus having the environmentalists up in arms...and this causes a problem of course for the future of US drilling.
ROFL!! Sounds like the plot to a sci/fi book. Well if Rush can go all crazy and spout theory about eco-terrorist...I think I can go in the other direction. Sounds just as crazy, huh? LOL!
It was equipment failure. Things do break down. But they should have had multiple back up systems in place to control it...but that would have been 'too expensive' and cut into drill time and production. The company is at fault here, just as Exxon was at fault for Valdez.]]> 2010-05-07T16:30:39Z ekwilliams00@yahoo.com Beth Williams 173.19.13.80 2010-05-07T20:34:39Z denise_h22@yahoo.com Tracy H. 204.214.192.251 No, neither are on the 2010 list.

The State Dept list is described as solely for foreign terrorist organizations.

[As an interesting aside, though, the Justice Department has argued (in the Operation Backfire cases) that the ALF/ELF have an "international" element, and that ELF defendants had international support.]]]> 2010-05-07T20:37:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 http://lieberman.senate.gov/as... on Senator Lieberman's website. It's a short and easy read. It speaks directly to support of foreign terrorist organizations and to those supporting hostilities against the US and those engaged in hostilities that the US is engaged in (along side us). In fact, this expands upon USC Title 8, 1481 which already outlines how naturalized or native-borne citizens can lose/voluntarily renounce their citizenship, so that it is more pointed to target those who would support an enemy that would kill you and I. It seems fine to me. It would seem that people who set fire to lambskin outlets and commit other acts of felonious "domestic eco/animal enterprise terrorism," need not worry about this bill depriving them of their citizenship...unless, of course, they are looking to support or aid our enemies. I would be worried about losing certain civil rights though, as this is a possibility for some felonies.]]> 2010-05-07T23:02:27Z navdoc15@hotmail.com sean 66.69.143.168 2010-05-07T23:14:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153


O meu nome é Miguel Martins e moro em Vilamoura desde os 5 anos de idade, tenho actualmente 30. Venho por este meio denunciar-vos o que considero um grave atentado ambiental.

Como sabem, Vilamoura é uma localidade na costa do Algarve conhecida pela sua reputação turística. Todavia esta localidade vive num paradoxo de natureza jurídica. Se por um lado é uma localidade da freguesia de Quarteira, por outro é totalmente gerida por uma empresa privada chamada “Lusort”, baseada num estranho e antigo contrato celebrado entre a junta de freguesia de Quarteira e a Lusotur (actual Lusort).

Lusort é uma empresa cuja actividade principal consiste na promoção e construção imobiliária de alta qualidade, esta é comparticipada em 50% pelo Grupo Cordobês PRASA (que se dedica à construção de vivendas) e em 50% pela PROCAM (Grupo Imobiliário da Caixa da Catalunha). Isto significa que a localidade Vilamoura é administrada e gerida por uma empresa que tem como único fim a construção e comercialização imobiliária.

Para além dos inúmeros atentados urbanísticos, paisagísticos e ambientais aos quais a Lusort (antiga Lusotur) nos tem vindo a vitimar, entre eles Hilton Cascatas hotel, Tivoli Victoria golf resort, the Lake resort, Vila Sol resorts e inúmeros quilómetros de campos de golfe, com a destruição de vários vários hectares de pinhal e canaviais (em especial nos últimos 5 anos), a Lusort prepara-se agora para iniciar um projecto megalómano. Um verdadeiro atentado ambiental que consiste no alargamento da marina de Vilamoura em 1.680.000 m2, números de apreensão difícil.

Este projecto de alargamento da Marina de Vilamoura (que dá por nome de Cidade Lacustre) irá destruir grande parte do caniçal de Vilamoura e afectar irremediavelmente o Parque Ambiental de Vilamoura, habitat natural para fauna e flora única, entre eles um vasto leque de aves como são o caso da garça-real, o galeirão-comum, o rouxinol-bravo, o rouxinol-pequeno-dos-caniços, pintassilgos, verdilhões, pegas-azuis, galeirões, garças-boieiras, o caimão, o mergulhão-pequeno, a galinha-d’água e o guarda-rios, passeriformes migradores, como o chasco-cinzento e outras aves aquáticas. Para quem conhece, uma paisagem preciosa do nosso património ambiental.

Para travar o início da construção deste projecto destruidor deverão ser tomadas medidas imediatas. Pelo que apelo a todos vós, dentro da área e raio de acção de cada um, medidas concretas para evitar esta catástrofe em iminência.



Este e-mail está a ser enviado à junta de freguesia de Quarteira, organizações ambientais, e outras entidades de interesse e com interesse nesta matéria.

A todos peço Coragem para nos ajudarem a travar os atentados da Lusort.



Atentamente



Miguel Martins]]> 2010-05-08T00:32:10Z bubo@india.com Miguel 83.132.225.157 2010-05-08T03:12:26Z thisis@atest.com actuallyinformed true actuallyinformed 66.233.33.34 2010-05-08T14:32:33Z navdoc15@hotmail.com Sean 66.69.143.168 as soon as I am a bit more financially stable I'm getting that apron and makin' some good vegan eats :).
Oh and, I have a crush on you & thanks for making this site!

-Jess]]> 2010-05-10T01:20:46Z jcal01@cox.net Jessica 68.96.71.245 or is it mommy issues? too many Tom Clancy books? WHAT? too much of the chicken-hawk/draft-dodger/viagra-poster-boy/thrice-divorced
(what a ladies-man!) gas-bag rusty limp-paw~too much gln "porky pig" beck? P.S. custer died for your sins, bitch.

Love ya, Will! watch out for that flashlite...]]> 2010-05-10T04:02:14Z skipdrum@gmail.com felix unger 64.134.136.25 2010-05-10T15:14:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
And on this note, let me praise Will Potter on at least one point of his quaint, albeit alarmist, website. For all the wretchedness of the current Green movement of which he is a part (even if this website's focus is restricted to issues of civil liberties), Potter at least has enough of the spirit of capitalism in him to sell his "domestic terrorist" aprons at $20 a pop. This not only allows ethically narcissistic vegan and organic chefs to ironically enjoy their supposed political relevance, but also allows Potter to make a neat profit at the same time. I'm not trying to "expose" this or anything as if it's a bad thing. Far from it -- I'll take capitalism over bad anti-capitalism any day of the week. At least Potter has the intelligence to make a buck off of the idiots who actually buy this overpriced crap.]]> 2010-05-10T16:13:35Z rlwolfe@uchicago.edu rosswolfe true rosswolfe 99.136.192.151 2010-05-10T18:03:18Z rushlimbaugh@imanidiot.com rush 82.30.169.220 2010-05-11T01:12:39Z hrsexton@aol.com troyfromwv 173.80.123.12 2010-05-11T01:15:51Z wvoutlaw2k@aim.com Darth Chaos 173.80.123.12 2010-05-11T13:39:31Z mpomo@yahoo.com md 65.244.170.30 2010-05-11T14:18:26Z kensxe@gmail.com Kenneth M. Montville true Kenxvx 72.61.158.133 2010-05-11T17:41:01Z mymark@gmail.com Mark E. Smith 68.101.190.236 2010-05-11T17:46:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-05-11T17:47:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
"The Supreme Court Strikes Down a Law Prohibiting the Creation, Sale, or Possession of Videos of Animal Cruelty: The Decision and Justice Alito's Powerful Dissent"
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/h...
]]> 2010-05-11T19:31:40Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker true brandonxvx 98.26.75.64
I think the most persuasive analysis I've seen is that some materials simply cannot exist without the underlying cruelty necessary for the production (child pornography, crush videos).

My concern remains in the case of videos promoting direct action. Many are sold by activists by profit, and they clearly cannot be made without the illegal acts taking place. Now, I think this is a much weaker connection than either the case of child pornography or crush videos, because direct action is not undertaken expressly in order to be part of a movie. But I'm not convinced that the type of analysis applied to this SCOTUS case couldn't just as easily be applied to films promoting so-called "eco-terrorism," particularly because the political climate regarding "domestic terrorism" is much more aggressive than the political climate targeting cruelty videos.]]> 2010-05-11T19:50:57Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-05-11T20:39:10Z hotto1100089@hotmail.com NONYA 97.121.136.144 2010-05-11T20:54:02Z j@h.com JH 66.213.194.171 2010-05-11T21:47:09Z athena.beck@gmail.com Athena 72.89.114.145 2010-05-11T22:58:51Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.24.243 2010-05-12T01:09:24Z kensxe@gmail.com Kenneth M. Montville true Kenxvx 72.61.158.133 give us a break]]> 2010-05-12T10:37:59Z gtyu@hol.uk lefteris 94.66.15.7 2010-05-12T11:02:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-05-12T11:10:05Z dca_123@hotmail.com Oberon123 true Oberon123 216.164.35.10
"Communication Management Units should be closed as they violate basic human rights and due process. The inmates currently held in the two CMUs in the U.S. are denied contact with friends and family, privileged communication with legal counsel and other constitutionally protected due process rights. These men, who are disproportionately Muslim and political activists, have not be charged with substantive violent crimes, yet they are labeled as terrorists and kept in secretive, restrictive political prisons for years.
As federal prosecutors have failed to establish a compelling reason for such draconian treatment, CMU incarceration amounts to cruel and unusual punishment. The prisoners held in CMUs must be matriculated into the general prison population and the CMUs must be closed for violating prisoners' rights."
Sincerely, Lucy Goodrum]]> 2010-05-12T13:59:55Z lucywgoodrum@earthlink.net Lucy Goodrum 67.142.130.28 2010-05-12T14:22:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 As I read it, it said if an officer has pulled you over for any reason, and the officer finds/has reason to believe you may be a terrorist, he can call an FBI agent to the scene, say that this motorist strikes him as 'subversive' and the FBI will simply take you.
I heard that our President gave us back the right of habeus corpus, but have not seen the codicile to the Homeland Security Act that proves you will be charged if the above scenario happens.
When G.W.B. left office, Homeland Security had the right to hold you without charges indefinitly simply because a cop thought you 'looked' subversive.
Oh, subversive=one who supports the U.S. Constitution and it's Amendments.]]> 2010-05-12T22:35:17Z jerijane@hotmail.com Janet Anne 76.235.28.146 they don't have under the MCA.]]> 2010-05-12T22:56:54Z omgsoy@gmail.com omgsoy true omgsoy 98.207.18.49 2010-05-13T02:01:24Z kensxe@gmail.com Kenneth M. Montville true Kenxvx 173.115.136.160 2010-05-13T10:52:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-05-13T13:54:56Z leslie@lesliejamespickering.com Leslie James Pickerint 129.44.133.66 2010-05-13T13:58:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-05-13T17:35:15Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com lisaliberationnow true lisaliberationnow 66.189.125.163 2010-05-13T18:49:23Z omgsoy@gmail.com omgsoy true omgsoy 98.207.18.49 2010-05-13T23:29:57Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 24.214.81.242 two wings attached to the same beast, working in concert.
Its prey , is us.]]> 2010-05-14T04:33:32Z AFeralGrin@gmail.com GreenOrb true GreenOrb 72.199.173.188 2010-05-15T13:27:42Z rlwolfe@uchicago.edu rosswolfe true rosswolfe 99.23.140.29 2010-05-16T17:41:28Z cfmimsfl@yahoo.com keeperofthefire true keeperofthefire 207.203.67.250 “If eco-terrorists were responsible for the spill, then we don’t need to question our reliance on a substance that, no matter how much we drill, is about to run out” ----- another illogical stamp. In the real world, co-terrorism has always been a factor in cost evaluation to consider.
]]> 2010-05-16T20:20:44Z knigochey@yahoo.com antiwill true antiwill 141.154.68.74 “If eco-terrorists were responsible for the spill, then we don’t need to question our reliance on a substance that, no matter how much we drill, is about to run out” ----- another illogical stamp. In the real world, co-terrorism has always been a factor in cost evaluation to consider.
]]> 2010-05-16T20:27:00Z knigochey@yahoo.com AntiWill 141.154.68.74 2010-05-16T23:31:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 Mini submarines have been in use for many decades. During WWll, the Brits almost blew up a German battleship with that kind of vessel - but a gentlemen commando last moment alerted the German Captain. Moreover, the History Channel told a story about a tiny commando sub that was commissioned during ... the American Civil War!

Well, that is unfair to expect erudition from a hard core leftist ideologue ...
]]> 2010-05-17T00:39:26Z knigochey@yahoo.com AntiWill 141.154.68.74 2010-05-17T10:20:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-05-17T15:24:48Z gumbycascadia@yahoo.com Gumby Cascadia 67.189.32.214
There are 3 things very wrong with these "Communications Management Units" (read: secretive political prisons):
1. The CMUs violate basic due process rights.
2. CMUs are cruel and inhumane and violate basic human rights.
3. Political prisons have no place in a democracy.

Inmate rights are virtually stripped of inmates in these "political prisons," who should be notified of transfers to prisons, and allowed to make an appeal against such a transfer, but are not granted these rights. CMU detainees are denied their right to know why they are being singled out for harsher punishment. However, it is not just inmate rights that are violated. Basic human rights are violated in CMUs, where restrictions are tougher than some of the most extreme prisons in the country. The CMUs are designed to detain "problems" the government does not want to deal with, and does not want in the public eye. This processes is dangerously undemocratic and does not belong in these United States of America.]]> 2010-05-18T00:26:21Z maffearth@yahoo.com maffearth true maffearth 70.231.240.4
A friend of mine lived in AZ for a while, and routinely got pulled over or harassed by cops. She has dark hair and an "ethnic look". She happens to be Irish.

Everyone that likes to parrot the party line that they "won't stop people based on appearance" has yet to demonstrate to me exactly how they will make the determination on who to question. Further, the law states that citizens can require a police officer to stop someone, which sounds exactly like a fascist state. Remember that little period of history in Nazi Germany when German citizens were encouraged to report Jews?

The 4th amendment exists for a reason. Time that we all stop pussyfooting around this, claiming that it's "the law" and insist that our rights as citizens not be infringed upon. We're on a path as a nation that will not end well. Better to do something now than wait until our options include prison and death.]]> 2010-05-18T03:09:34Z dancesnlight@yahoo.com ChrisC 166.204.169.246 2010-05-18T07:30:59Z felipe.bio@hotmail.com Felipe Sokolovsky 192.114.150.50 http://www.independent.co.uk/e...

"While acts like these are abhorrent to most of society, do more common environmental protest crimes such as trespass and vandalism really constitute terrorism? Activists are concerned that simply debating the term eco-terrorism gives it legitimacy. One veteran activist explains that "as soon as we allow ourselves to be labelled eco-terrorists, the authorities can clamp down on us and defend themselves by claiming they are averting terrorist activity". "]]> 2010-05-18T14:01:44Z downonthefactory@gmail.com Rutabaga 162.129.44.87 2010-05-18T14:42:02Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
I am strongly opposed to the construction and use of CMUs. Considering the current level of violation of our own citizens' privacy and free-speech rights, the prospect of a legal system of shadowy incommunicado detention is frightening.

Transferring a person to a secretive facility with no advance notice, justification, or even chance to appeal is a violation of a that person's rights. Making this technically legal will not make it right.

Shutting political prisoners off from the outside world to prevent them from speaking and being heard is not democratic. This warped sense of justice and the war on our own citizens needs to end.

I'd like to reiterate that American political prisoners are already being subjected to these illegal conditions. To legalize CMUs would only justify these tactics and give the government further boundaries to push and test.]]> 2010-05-18T16:57:39Z Alexis Cornell true twitter-22141205 67.92.30.75 2010-05-19T15:04:41Z arphilosophy@gmail.com Corvus 130.49.139.143
I oppose the existence of the Communications Management Units and want them abolished. I believe they are shockingly Orwellian in nature and further add to the list of secretive, Unconstitutional policies that have been the legacy of the so-called War on Terror. I believe that people should be subject to due process, instead of being spirited away to clandestine sites and prisons with special designations, to deprive them of their rights and seclude them from their families and legal support structure. I should also point out that the make-up of these Units are inordinately composed of Muslim men and are therefore a racist tool in the government's possession. Creating special rules for certain classes of criminals that deny them basic rights is disgusting and I'm ashamed to live in a country where measures like this are even considered.]]> 2010-05-20T00:15:42Z mikeklepfer@gmail.com mike k 98.246.4.58
here’s a post of the material i presented:

http://roblosricos.wordpress.c.../

if you are interested.

in revolt!

rob]]> 2010-05-20T21:17:29Z roblosricos@riseup.net rob los ricos 24.20.113.227 2010-05-21T00:47:10Z keithwatkinsfl@gmail.com investor relations true shortsyndicate 76.108.253.27 2010-05-21T17:52:23Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.158.25
Yeah, not terrorists.]]> 2010-05-22T20:45:18Z thedarkspirit72@yahoo.com I lol'd. 99.74.173.157 2010-05-23T01:18:44Z kwertie@whatever.com kwertie true kwertie 76.126.124.130 2010-05-23T14:13:39Z paris05@mail.net the Reen 114.142.164.55 appointees. Big Brother would be proud.
http://rawstory.com/2010/01/ob.../]]> 2010-05-23T17:30:12Z tworaven@msn.com Johnny Appleseed 71.50.3.75
The only reason it seems unreal or too far to me is that we (the radical left) are so impotent in america that this just seems silly to me/us. Books are all we have, but they never amount to shit. The possibility of any emancipatory politics realizing itself in america is so remote (so laughable) that is is astonishing that this guy gets worried about it. The books represent fantasy, are thus innocuous, and therefor aren't anything to give any real credence to. So when he does, it seems shocking.

I wish we were somewhere where the threats/promises of these books, protests, unions, and ideas were something for people to worry about. These books/ideas/protests/unions/etc do (and should) challenge everything that this guy (and the people he represents) love and cherish. I think that's great. I love that he's scared. I just wish we had the power to make his fear legitimate.]]> 2010-05-23T23:58:50Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com Matthew 76.168.224.191
But doesn't it strike you as unreal that we can turn on TV and there, in real life, is the kind of dystopian authoritarian rhetoric that would be trite in most fiction?

Maybe it's just me, but I think what makes this seem so unreal, and what prompted this post, is that when the exact same rhetoric appears in some fantasy world in a movie or book or whatever, there's not a single viewer or reader who would fail to recognize the absurdity and threat of it all. But how do we respond, in real life? The left ignores it, the right eats it up, and everyone else seems to thing it's normal.]]> 2010-05-24T01:03:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
Suppose no one ever started this blog to contribute to deconstructing the AETA and the Green Scare. Every voice counts.]]> 2010-05-24T03:34:07Z vegangrub@wordpress.com hawkgirl 74.67.45.11 2010-05-24T03:36:10Z masseyslick@yesmassey.com Massey 65.2.232.165 2010-05-24T03:39:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
No such thing. See "Rand Paul In '08: Beware The NAFTA Superhighway!" (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi...)

Actually, the TPM folks are idiots. One notable U.S. politician stated

"the fact that there's this highway being built in Texas that will facilitate more transportation and travel between Mexico and the intercontinental United States, on up to Canada"

That would be the President of the United States, Barack Obama.]]> 2010-05-24T08:30:02Z peter_schaeffer@yahoo.com Peter Schaeffer 76.31.233.110 2010-05-24T09:45:46Z rjsigmund@gmail.com rjs0 true rjs0 99.96.104.183 2010-05-24T14:10:42Z felipe.bio@hotmail.com Fel Sokol 192.114.150.50 2010-05-24T15:18:52Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com lisaliberationnow true lisaliberationnow 24.177.137.43 2010-05-24T17:09:00Z frederickcurt@netscape.net Cozmicseer 72.55.216.29 I'd like to send you a copy from Aperture magazine (summer 199), they published an editorial for a project about the Green Scare that I've been working on since '07. I could mail a copy or e-mail you a scan. I feel like I know you because I've depended so, much on you for keeping me in the loop.
Thanks again for your committed and excellent work.
Kelly]]> 2010-05-24T17:29:17Z kellypoe@mac.com kelly poe 76.94.65.32 2010-05-24T20:17:06Z trexkotj0401@gmail.com QuadSlacker true QuadSlacker 174.20.150.88
You'll find that crimes such as rape, murder, theft, fraud, rarely generate more than a few years of jail time for the criminals in all but the most egregious cases. There are some criminals that are favored for early release, and others who are not. Unfortunately, our society has established it's boundaries of acceptable behavior, and this case reflects that. Marie Mason will probably be denied parole, due to the fact that people like her are a bigger threat - not to you or I or the community, but to the system - than the most prolific child rapist or serial killer out there. Druggies, murderers and rapists (being likely to return to crime) provide the cash flow - Marie is in it to win it.]]> 2010-05-24T20:31:25Z trexkotj0401@gmail.com QuadSlacker true QuadSlacker 174.20.150.88
At least there's no wind turbines on Coal River Mountain. Blowing up mountains and killing employees through criminal negligence is business as usual. But wind turbines, in the viewshed?! Shield the children's eyes!]]> 2010-05-24T23:28:17Z ashall@ncsu.edu Bill 165.234.184.69 2010-05-24T23:30:16Z fudpacker@hotmail.com BagOfDouche true BagOfDouche 72.25.91.152 2010-05-24T23:39:46Z ashall@ncsu.edu Bill 165.234.184.69 http://www.ecartshopping.biz

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I am opposed to the creation and implementation of the CMU's. The US Government should not be in the business of curtailing human rights, it should instead be promoting and defending them. Secretive, political prsions belong only in the pages of dystopian novels like '1984' and should not become an accepted part of our world. The use of secret detention facilities in other parts of the world has only brought criticism and condemnation upon the USA - we should be focused on eliminating these abroad, not on creating more of them here.

In solidarity,
KCG]]> 2010-05-25T17:56:47Z kevingo95@gmail.com KCG 129.82.221.28 2010-05-25T18:29:40Z genessender@gmail.com NoOneYouKnow 38.117.238.62
It is a fact of biology and evolution that human beings are designed to eat meat. That is reality. Those of you who wish to starve yourselves based on an ignorant, foolish notion of "animal rights", go ahead and do so. But when you presume to use threats of violence- whether directly as in the case of the cowardly terrorist vermin who threatened Manrique's wife and infant child, or indirectly through the use of government force- then you become a force for evil, the enemy of the human species.

You vegan supremacists are like the Christian Coalition, the KKK, the Iranian mullahs, the Catholic Church, etc. You are cut from the same cloth as they, and motivated by the same insidious goals. Dangerous anti-humans whose REAL goal is not the good of animals, or of humans, but merely to terrorize and subjugate your fellow human beings, to use threats of violence to force them to be just like you. You may not be the "worst kind" of terrorists, but you most certainly are dangerous and evil, and you WILL be stopped.

Note, also, that Bourdain was not talking about "vegetarians" in general, but specifically those disgusting nazi wannabes who wish to force their lifestyle on others.]]> 2010-05-25T20:35:17Z jiminykrikkit@yahoo.com Harrison_Bergeron 71.116.113.111
R U paying attention?]]> 2010-05-25T20:44:44Z anon_e.mouse@cox.net Fascist Nation 72.201.74.202
These political prisons are unethical and anti-democratic and I can't support legislation that would allow them to exist. they violate due process rights and many of the people sent there haven't done anything not protected by the first amendment, not that they are allowed to argue this point, becuase many aren't even told why they're being singled out to be sent to these units.

this is locking people up for being effective and it's wrong. if the government wants to shut people up, they should prove them wrong, not just rip them from their lives and silence them altogether. when did we become that kind of country?

these units are another step on a road that we as a country, that our founding fathers and mothers never wanted us to go down. it's not to late to turn around and go in the right direction.]]> 2010-05-25T22:03:20Z plant_murderer@live.com Danielle 174.79.1.245
The system protects itself, not us. Do you get it yet...]]> 2010-05-25T22:06:59Z joe@historyindeed.com HIStory Indeed true HIStoryIndeed 204.10.132.7 I am writing to express my opposition to the proposal to make Communication Management Units permanent. The secretive process in which these units operate underlines their extralegal nature. They deny prisoners the right of due process; prisoners are transferred without notification or chance for appeal in court. The restrictions placed on prisoners there are above and beyond those of even the highest level prisons. It violates basic human rights and is thus unconstitutional. It is telling that there are many lawsuits filed now challenging the existence of these units. It is apparent that the intention of these kind of units are to house prisoners that the government designates as "problematic" because of their influence within a movement or organization that the government does not agree with. They are thus political prisoners, housed more for their associations than with any criminal activities. Housing political prisoners is antithetic to a democracy and operating CMUs places too much power at the hands of government officials. I wish to request that the current procedures that allows the existance of CMUs to expire at the end of the specified term. Thank you.
Sincerely, Peter Keller]]> 2010-05-25T22:11:35Z pete@narn.org Peter Keller 64.122.126.245 Love and Rockets,
Jess

To Whom it May Concern,
As a citizen who is proud of this country's commitment to the rule of law and upholding the rights outlined in the Bill of Rights, I'm appalled by very existence of the Communication Management Units and I do NOT want to see them become a permanent part of the American penal landscape.

Contrary to the stated goals of the CMUs, their purpose is not to protect the American people but to punish political dissent. Infinging on the rights of prisoners because the US government does not agree with their political views is a gross abuse of power that is wrong in all scenarios and particularly wrong in that it is selective. Slapping the title of terrorist on non-violent offenders is baffling at best, and with the advent of CMUs can result in cruel and unusual punishment at worst.

I urge lawmakers respect the Constitutional and Human rights of all prisoners and to abolish these illegal penitentiaries immediately.
Sincerely,
Jessica Levy]]> 2010-05-25T22:49:35Z tinterhook@yahoo.com Jess Levy 173.77.105.121 2010-05-26T01:29:47Z sambacomet@hotmail.com samba 98.15.166.132 2010-05-26T03:13:30Z drairboots@garrifulio.mailexpire.com Talis true Talis 98.246.49.17 2010-05-26T06:45:32Z lindareitman@att.net Linda Reitman 69.224.182.164 Therefore feminising male anatomy would (if anything) make people less gay.]]> 2010-05-26T11:58:35Z jesslanger1@gmail.com Jayfa 219.90.184.125 2010-05-26T12:06:11Z essaysoftware@gmail.com Scott 71.82.219.110 2010-05-26T12:14:28Z markdavidrobison@gmail.com Mark 67.142.130.21 2010-05-26T14:15:30Z 364490330@qq.com hitfive 218.66.35.205 2010-05-26T14:24:09Z gumbycascadia@yahoo.com Gumby Cascadia 67.189.32.214 CMUs are a very bad idea - for the prisoners, for democracy, for our system. I am very against the idea of CMUs and encourage you to shut them down. Please do not extend them permanently. CMUs are a total violation of human rights - not allowing prisoners to see their families during visitation time. Holding prisoners in secretive areas is very scary and does not belong in the 21st century America.]]> 2010-05-26T14:50:36Z jhiemenz@gmail.com Jessica Hiemenz 67.158.109.90 2010-05-26T18:51:22Z aubreydmadden@yahoo.com aubrey 72.49.224.106 Logically speaking, which country do you think would have the most illegals fleeing their country into ours into Arizona? -I don't think it's Canadians, or the Japanese. Can you guess why? -I really hope you can. Otherwise, you have no business writing articles in the first place.

Let's stop drawing far-fetched conclusions for people who write laws and work in the Public Service of these United States. They just want to fix problems. If you don't like them...vote them out.
www.firetherulingclass.org
]]> 2010-05-26T19:47:06Z mitekillem@hotmail.com Daniel Gregory 12.237.190.2 2010-05-26T20:19:24Z jennconspiracy@yahoo.com Jenn 67.174.253.30 2010-05-26T20:30:18Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-05-26T20:36:44Z thenme@gmail.com Noel 64.245.71.157 2010-05-27T00:19:07Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com lisaliberationnow true lisaliberationnow 24.177.137.43 2010-05-27T01:14:23Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com lisaliberationnow true lisaliberationnow 24.177.137.43 2010-05-27T17:46:41Z helplightenmeup@hotmail.com Trish 71.131.129.61 2010-05-27T19:53:12Z josh.herbivore@gmail.com hooters 24.21.184.182 2010-05-27T20:36:56Z rightauk@sisqtel.net Firebird 63.207.224.249
Prisoners are not stripped of their due process constitutional rights their human rights upon conviction of a crime. This statute, as written, leaves the door wide open for a variety of legal challenges. The statute appears to be on shaky due process ground due to the lack of notice given to transferees and the lack of transferees' ability to challenge their transfer without the benefit of any meaningful review process or external oversight, especially if such transfer is deemed to be punitive. The statute also appears to warrant human rights or cruel and unusual punishment challenges due to the intense isolation of the prisoners without adequate due process protections. Furthermore, if this statute is enforced in a similar manner that such units have been since their inception, it also appears to be open to equal protection, freedom of religion, speech, and association claims due to the overwhelming majority of prisoners being Muslim or political beliefs. All of these problems with the statute are especially problematic due to the lack of necessity of such units as the general prison population is subject to communications monitoring and regulations.]]> 2010-05-28T03:29:20Z rachelrosnick@gmail.com qwerty 98.219.224.145 2010-05-28T13:44:29Z xacsdfaa3@gmail.com XACTO Staplers 204.210.241.118 2010-05-28T15:41:45Z vegangrub@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.67.45.11
http://www.blinkx.com/watch-vi...

it's about 23 minutes long -
]]> 2010-05-30T21:30:20Z roblosricos@riseup.net rob los ricos 24.20.113.227 2010-05-31T13:30:11Z sofiawolf13@yahoo.com di 68.93.102.237 2010-06-01T16:32:16Z welcomeu888@yahoo.com Remove Spyware true nicetech 69.163.136.166 2010-06-01T17:12:24Z brian42@rocketmail.com brian 156.98.187.230 2010-06-02T20:20:35Z dmkaro@verizon.net Donna Feroli-Karo 71.162.121.41 regulations.gov site, it looks as tho' you can submit comments on the CMUs until June 7th.]]> 2010-06-02T21:19:42Z kroselark@gmail.com Kate 68.185.170.99 2010-06-02T21:28:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
I am writing to register my grave opposition to the US' use of Communicationa Management Units (CMUs) and to register extreme opposition to the proposal that these units be made permanent. It's actually hard to believe that in our country, which is supposed to lead the world in democracy, we have gotten so terribly derailed and have had to resort to this cruel, inhumane and immoral form of detention, a form of detention which also quite clearly violates international legal definitions of basic due process rights and human rights. Rather than continuing to use CMUs and indeed building new CMUs, the US should instead be outlawing the use of CMUs immediately.]]> 2010-06-02T21:30:24Z sallyeb@earthlink.net Sally Eberhardt 151.202.113.199 2010-06-02T21:36:55Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com lisaliberationnow true lisaliberationnow 24.177.137.43 2010-06-03T02:51:33Z mhbarnet@verizon.net Millie Barnet 71.116.78.149 this is so sad,,,, I hope to gawd this sort of prison is reserved for ONLY Greedy politicians, Greedy Earth corrupters and members of the BOP and corrupt prison officials and employees…

yeah ... nothing is as inhumane as this.... what is it to accomplish? what sadisitc bastard allows such censorship? this not only violates the typical 8th amendment RIGHT, but Our GIVEN FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS>... never would I think AMERICAN could be so SICK and DEPRAVED]]> 2010-06-03T04:52:44Z bent@yahoo.com a SHU prisoner's wife 67.170.98.194 2010-06-03T18:34:19Z best33@inbox.ru Executive Suites New York City true ExecutiveSuites 84.13.44.1
Regardless if how one feels about whaling (and I am no fan of it myself), The intended end does not justify the means.

Remember - Watson places all creatures above mankind (even saying that a single earthworm is more valuable than human beings).]]> 2010-06-05T04:39:27Z mrbatt@gmail.com Mike 70.232.68.50
It IS a possibility and SHOULD be looked into.]]> 2010-06-05T06:35:36Z newshound777@comcast.net John 173.49.215.51 2010-06-05T08:40:07Z dgmunn61@yahoo.com dgmunn61 24.23.75.208 ]]> 2010-06-05T08:51:53Z dgmunn61@yahoo.com dgmunn61 24.23.75.208 The 'establishment' are severely fooling the people by keeping some simple histories out-of-sight (below).
This status quo surely hinders rationality re. the environment, green, etc.
So, I propose making these histories well-apparent to the people -- to 'unfool' them/to 'clean the system'/etc.

Please see Letter “Unfooling the people” here:
http://www.durangotelegraph.co...
and for your possible convenience, I show it next:

The past is dominantly serial herd behaviors:
“Real Homes, Real Dow” at
http://homepage.mac.com/ttsmyf...
Individuals’ experiences were overwhelmingly timing-dependent. People uninformed of these serial herd behaviors are people fooled. This fooling of the people is USA history to date.

Dramatic exception is provided by three recent articles:
“Adjusted for Inflation, Dow's Gains Are Puny”, E.S. Browning, Wall Street Journal, Dec. 28
“The Quiet Danger of Non-Inflation-Adjusted Stock Returns”, S.J. Dubner, New York Times, Dec. 28
“The Real Dow”, R. Chittum, Columbia Journalism Review, Jan. 5, http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/t...

Is unfooling the people at hand? I don’t know, but I surely hope so. I am certain that it is a far, far better thing for our nation if the people have their heads OUT of their fuming darknesses.]]> 2010-06-05T14:22:22Z edwhamilton@yahoo.com Ed 75.171.128.89 Leftist and anarchist groups harm people ALL the time - here, in Greece and the rest of Europe, and WORLDWIDE. The TEA Party people are pussycats. Christians by definition do not harm people. The Devil comes as an angel of light, so if folks preach hate they obvious are children of Satan and not chlldren of God.]]> 2010-06-05T15:30:17Z lovebug100@aol.com Johnny 173.49.215.51
As far as Christians "by definition" not harming people... HUH? Iraq? Afghanistan? Anti-abortion bombings? Hell, the Crusades?]]> 2010-06-05T17:36:56Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-06-07T19:15:40Z lilkitty19971@gmail.com emari 204.108.96.20 2010-06-08T06:45:24Z CJ true twitter-16499517 72.226.70.91 2010-06-08T09:02:20Z tomonroad@yahoo.com libhomo 24.168.10.232
Environmentalism is the means by which these anti-capitalists advance their anarcho-communist agenda. They could give two shits about the environment, that is just a front for their anti social behavior.

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Muzzling a Movement is about the constitutional and free-speech issues raised by the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. The AETA makes it a federal crime to publicize any act deemed to be damaging to any business or enterprise that uses animals. Clearly, the AETA presents major concerns for all activists today, whether they are involved in animal rights or not.

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[Matthew Strugar - AETA Legal Team]

My name's Matthew Strugar, I'm an attorney, um, used to work with the center for constitutional rights and now I co-counsel with them on a number of activist defense cases dealing with the green scare, uh, including a case known as the AETA4, which involves 4 activists from California, some northern, some southern, who have been indicted and charged with animal enterprise terrorism for essentially acts of speech and acts of protest.

AETA4 are 4 fairly young animal rights activists, their names are Joe Budenberg, Mariam Khajavi, Nathan Pope and Adriana Stumpo. They were involved in the campaign against UC's use of primates in their research.

They are alleged to have attended a number of home demonstrations in the Northern California area, where they participated in various chants, um, some of the chants, the government alleges in the criminal complaint, that they participated in include, “1-2-3-4, open up the cage door, 5-6-7-8, we intend to literate 9-10-11-12, vivisectors go to hell.”

And the government, in the criminal complaint, with a straight face, claims that somehow this is illegal, somehow this--these chants at home demonstrations are so threatening that they are unprotected speech, that they are--that there is no problem violating the first amendment by indicting that kind of speech.

There were other chants, including,”you're a murderer” I believe was some, or “you're a fucking murderer'. Heated language for sure, but heated language that has traditionally been held protected under the first amendment.

There are also allegations that they distributed fliers that included home, um, addresses of some of these researches, and the title was “Murderers and torturers alive in your neighborhood.”

and the government's saying, not that that's slanderous or that that's some kind of libel to say that they're murderers and torturers. The government is saying that by posting those fliers, or by publishing those fliers and putting out those addresses, that they were threatening those researchers with fear of serious fear of bodily harm or injury, and that those fliers are also unprotected speech and can be the basis of, uh, an indictment and a conviction of Animal Enterprise Terrorism, carrying up to 5 years in prison.

The government is claiming that those actions violate the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act, 18 USC section 43, and also that they conspired with one another to commit the violation of the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. [] when you commit a crime and do it with others, the government can often claim that you have both violated the law and that you committed a conspiracy to violate the law, so there are two charges here.

This is a criminal charge, this is brought by the United States Government, this is the feds. A lot of the big first amendment cases come out of the South, um with sort of overzealous local prosecutors and some, you know, local, you know, cop and prosecutor are sort of not really paying attention to the law and think they can get away with it.

That's not what this is, this is the FBI and the feds, um, going after this, and I think it's, uh, it's intentional and it's coming from higher up than criminal charges normally come. I'm speculating here, but I think that the UC--the campaign against UC primate research got so heated for a couple of years--there were a lot, a lot, a lot of illegal acts in connection with the UC campaign against primate research
including car bombings and all kinds of--all kinds of vandalism.

And I think that the UC system has enough power and can throw its weight around to say, we need somebody's heads to roll. We need somebody--we need to pin something on somebody so it looks like we're not powerless here.

Animal rights activists are unfortunately a fringe movement, so the government can come in and say, look at these folks, these folks aren't like you, these folks believe something very different. Other people that believe that have crazy ideas, and, and do illegal action, you know, we should shut down this speech.

Cases like the SHAC7, it's just extremely, extremely effective activists against corporations that have a lot of political power and a lot of money, um, SHAC drove Huntingdon Life Sciences almost to be delisted form the stock exchange, um, the company was on the brink of bankruptcy [inaudible]. It's no secret that the government is responsible to those kind of,um, those kind of interests.

We are now moving forward with what we is called an as-applied challenge, which means this law is unconstitutional as applied to these individuals and the actions alleged against them. What they did is protected by the first amendment is what this motion will say.

Right now we're in a battle with the government to say what exactly the government thinks--what exactly the government's theory is in this case, because the government, in their indictment, only says: these individuals on this date violated the Act. They don't say what they said, they don't say, you know, what--whether there were fliers or what the fliers said.

Government, tell us what you think these individuals did wrong, because the indictment doesn't provide us [inaudible] this.

To dismiss on a first amendment basis, you have to use only what's in the indictment. And I think what the government's trying to do is protect themselves from judicial review, um, in the early stages, being completely ambiguous in the indictment, and saying just--just that these individuals violated it. 'Cause I don't think, I think they're embarrassed to go before the court and say, they violated it by chanting outside someone's home or making a flier. They want to put it before a jury and sort of inflame a jury with it instead of have a judge look at it and say, “Really, you're indicting people for chanting ad fliering?”

As far as what folks can do if they want to be involved, uh, check out the support committees, the support committees will have information on, you know, if you want to throw a benefit show for the AETA4 to help, you know, with the legal costs--a lot of us are working for free on this case. Um, it'll have information on where to submit that money, or, you know, where that money is going to.

You've gotta pay for investigators, you've got to pay for court filings, um, so donations, fund raisers, benefit shows, that kind of thing are-are always appreciated.

Beyond the support committees, I think people can call their congressman and talk about what the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act does and why they feel like it is unconstitutional, and that it allows for prosecutions like this, and why it allows for prosecutions of people who cause loss of profits to certain industries and that it is essentially viewpoint discrimination, if you believe, you know, one side of the debate, you know, you could--and you're effective--you could go to jail.

Come to the court hearings. It raises, you know the judge's awareness that, oh people are really paying attention here, uh, this is--this is important, you know, maybe some of these claims I should, you know, pay some careful attention to.

I think what people really should do is keep agitating for animals. Keep--you know, don't be scared, keep being an activist, keep being effective. I know that's what the SHAC 7 folks were saying when they were in jail, you know, they they wanted people to just keep--you know, hold the torch, you know, keep doing what they're doing, you know, because the government indicts some people, it's going to be hard for them to indict everybody. So just keep speaking up, keep agitating for animal rights, be it with the UC primate system or--or anything else, just stay active, stay involved. Keep--keep being in the streets.

[the next AETA4 court appearance is scheduled for:
Monday, June 7, 2010
9:00 AM
San Jose Federal Courthouse
280 S 1st. ST
San Jose, CA 95113
Courtroom #6 (4th Floor)

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But the left still is as it has always been; a delusional activistic movement which attempts to justify its existence through the injustices of conservatism by presenting itself as an altruistic movement.
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What do you believe in?

Centralized government (the state)
So-called egalitarianism: Indigenous stewardship, power to the underdog, (the proletariat), asylum for displaced immigrants, pro union, pro gay -all to aid subversion
Pro Islam (anti Americanism) anti-semitism (anti democracy)
Atheism in exchange for Nihilism
Fervent animal rights advocacy/environmentalism because all such organizations are a guise for socialism and wish to control society.
and so on.

So the statement still stands. Green is the new red is not a corporate denouncement of the left; it IS a statement that reflects the very nature of the left, which you actually endorse.

Socialism is contrived. Capitalism represents the needs of all people. Countries which lack a capitalist structure or are 'governed' by soviet-style dictators are indigent and oppressed.

Address the shortcomings of capitalism but don't implement feel-good practices for your dubious cause. You don't have to join the left because you have a conscience, it is simply inconceivable that dualities accurately represent the truth.



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I also ask people what they consider to be a 'natural' state, i.e. conditions and structures which naturally suit the conditions of mankind. So far, I consider the socialist brand of egalitarianism strained and exhibits too much 'for your own good' advocacy.
One could also say the same thing about corporatocracy but this is not capitalism and neither is stuff like animal cruelty or racism; capitalism is an economic system and leaves the human flaws to errr, well humans. I'm surprised how this often confuses people.
But to be perfectly blunt, most leftist views couldn't be any more discriminatory than those of "capitalists"

Take stuff like nativism, antitheism and the left's bigoted views towards AGW skeptics, for example. But again, do I have to reiterate the point that environmentalism and humanitarianism are not economic systems but assumed characteristics of the left.]]> 2010-08-11T13:50:44Z fourthwayplants@hotmail.com Sam 220.237.156.209 ]]> 2010-08-11T15:43:17Z jason_j002@yahoo.com Facial Abuse true facialabuse 124.120.159.238 2010-08-11T23:26:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
It is probably because of that, yes...but that doesn't mean that they're going about it the correct and just way.]]> 2010-08-16T09:22:34Z omg_lol_jk22@yahoo.com Liz 91.45.15.155 2010-08-17T06:08:33Z elias@racedayproducts.com Elias 99.32.167.16 2010-08-20T20:06:14Z director@nlg.org Heidi Boghosian 71.249.238.32 2010-08-24T14:46:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-08-26T13:57:39Z sales@minilaptopdirect.com laptop battery true cabattery 113.194.172.55 2010-08-26T14:12:24Z sales@minilaptopdirect.com laptop battery true cabattery 113.194.172.55
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"Extreme Environmentalist Behind Discovery Channel Hostage Situation"
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2010/0.../

To their credit, the article was originally titled "Eco Terrorist Behind ..."
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If it is the latter: You can see on the homepage I haven't posted in more than a month, because I have been editing my book. This story went national instantly, and I think the level of attention warranted a response.]]> 2010-09-02T13:08:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-09-02T13:08:03Z hj045@yahoo.com Heidi Joy 67.91.129.21 2010-09-02T13:11:29Z hj045@yahoo.com Heidi Joy 67.91.129.21
Meanwhile, here is some information on the number of murders and other acts of violence by those groups:
http://www.prochoice.org/pubs_...]]> 2010-09-02T13:12:00Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-09-02T13:15:33Z hj045@yahoo.com Heidi Joy 67.91.129.21 http://www.adl.org/terrorism_a...]]> 2010-09-02T13:21:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 http://www.danielpipes.org/262...]]> 2010-09-02T13:30:40Z hj045@yahoo.com Heidi Joy 67.91.129.21
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/0.../]]> 2010-09-02T13:34:23Z hj045@yahoo.com Heidi Joy 67.91.129.21 2. Are you now arguing that there have not been attacks on Muslims since 9/11? Your claim about Greenpeace being more "violent" than abortion clinic bombers was idiotic enough, this is just absurd.
]]> 2010-09-02T13:35:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-09-02T13:43:20Z byrneaa@hotmail.com Ashley 24.136.117.42 2010-09-02T13:58:16Z hj045@yahoo.com Heidi Joy 67.91.129.21
It's nice that you got all hyped up after your teabagger rally last weekend, but I really don't have the same level of energy for this. The comments about Greenpeace being more violent than abortion bombers was apparently only the tip of the iceberg with you--now you want to argue about some conspiracy by Islamic groups to act like they are being attacked? Have a nice day.]]> 2010-09-02T14:05:54Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-09-02T14:16:16Z hj045@yahoo.com Heidi Joy 67.91.129.21 2010-09-02T14:31:54Z hj045@yahoo.com Heidi Joy 67.91.129.21 HeidiIsTheNewJoe.com site. Pretty typical that you would demand specific and undeniable sources for every fact in this article...but when someone points out that you STILL haven't managed to back up your claim of the ALF, ELF, Greenpeace, etc being violent, you accuse them of trying to change the subject.]]> 2010-09-02T15:11:23Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 96.236.24.243
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There is an interesting discussion in the comments from a Japanese person comparing the gunman to Captain Watson of the Sea Shephard.]]> 2010-09-02T17:03:47Z beforewisdom@gmail.com Beforewisdom 66.44.80.166 2010-09-02T18:18:13Z kenad@ymail.com Kenad 24.222.54.98 2010-09-02T19:04:12Z andrew.polacek@gmail.com CA Conservative 66.236.114.18 we all need to be really careful]]> 2010-09-02T20:13:32Z thethroat@hushmail.com jacob 68.198.15.199 2010-09-02T20:16:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-09-02T20:19:51Z baily2@optonline.net matt 67.84.158.25
Pursuing a form of "activism" which required the high cost of people's lives as well as his own life/freedom and that was unlikely to be even remotely marginally effective is what makes him crazy.

Whether he was an environmentalist or not has more to do with his anti-baby and anti-immigration stance than with his choice to attack The Discovery Channel.

Will, rather than claim The Discovery Channel is pro-environment, why not claim that being an anti-baby racist is not environmentalism?]]> 2010-09-02T20:48:55Z Elaine Vigneault true facebook-511380801 24.253.109.252
"...why not claim that being an anti-baby racist is not environmentalism?"

His tactics, target, history, and rhetoric are what made me question his stability. I don't think one could argue that being anti-human reproduction is not environmentalism. A variety of sectors within the environmental movement have investigated human beings overshooting the carrying capacity of the planet.]]> 2010-09-02T21:08:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-09-02T22:25:04Z Elaine Vigneault true facebook-511380801 24.253.109.252 2010-09-02T22:31:35Z Elaine Vigneault true facebook-511380801 24.253.109.252 2010-09-03T00:22:44Z zydeco88@gmail.com Zydeco88 71.225.121.242 2010-09-03T00:31:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 Don't be naive, man!!
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Even without extreme embarrassments like James Lee and his obviously ridiculous attempt to save the environment from Malthusian overpopulation, the current ideology of "Green" in even its most banal, pacifist forms (i.e., the kind of nonsense this site approves of) is itself an embarrassment to the history of the Left. It's symptomatic of a general poverty of imagination, weakness of will, and impotence of thought on today's Left. Green the new Red? Please.]]> 2010-09-03T04:30:52Z hektorrottweiler@gmail.com HektorRottweiler 74.72.91.176 2010-09-03T18:06:13Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 146.243.4.157 2010-09-03T18:10:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-09-03T19:21:09Z nicholas@themediasociety.org Nicholas 98.207.63.0 www.papertoweldispenser.biz
]]> 2010-09-03T19:34:46Z Proxies Century true yahoo-UANBMT6DG3LRTUPXAUKMTG2TXI 58.8.90.194
Far from being a single, unitary ideology, it's rather just a hodgepodge of past ideological remnants — neo-Romanticism, vitalism, Luddism, Eastern mysticism, and quasi-fascist naturalism. Though there is a small kernel of truth to its project insofar as it deals with sustainability (i.e., the ability to carry on the exploitation of natural resources without environmental catastrophe), more often than not there is an underlying notion that humanity should have some sort of "respect" for nature as an inviolable thing-in-itself. It views nearly every industrial-technical instrumentalization of nature, plant and animal alike, as invasive and chauvinist. Insofar as it preaches "eating local," "eating organic," and the long-outdated ideal of self-sufficiency, it's tacitly advocating a return a semi-feudal mode of production, which would necessarily involve massive famine and urban depopulation.

In short, the eco-activist "Left" practices an unthinking romantic anti-capitalism, which is probably worse than capitalism itself. It preoccupies itself with surface forms without ever penetrating to the core contradiction. James Lee was only obviously insane; most of the eco-activists merely have the good sense to be a bit more subtle about it.]]> 2010-09-03T19:38:15Z hektorrottweiler@gmail.com Hektor Rottweiler 74.72.91.176 2010-09-03T19:42:07Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-09-03T19:57:22Z hektorrottweiler@gmail.com Hektor Rottweiler 74.72.91.176 2010-09-03T19:59:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-09-03T20:12:37Z hektorrottweiler@gmail.com Hektor Rottweiler 74.72.91.176 2010-09-03T20:23:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-09-03T20:33:00Z hektorrottweiler@gmail.com Hektor Rottweiler 74.72.91.176 2010-09-03T20:41:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-09-03T20:54:18Z hektorrottweiler@gmail.com Hektor Rottweiler 74.72.91.176
Just as in the situation with "pet overpopulation" and how it's become an excuse to kill shelter animals instead of working harder to find homes for them, so too is human overpopulation an excuse. It's an excuse to demonize and oppress the people who reproduce the most: the poor and people of color. Overpopulation is also an excuse to demonize and oppress the reproduction gate-keepers: women.

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Separate issue: While you're busy pointing out that most environmentalists don't behave in ways similar to James Less, you might also want to point out that the vast majority of people with schizophrenia don't either, they are nonviolent.]]> 2010-09-03T22:14:17Z Elaine Vigneault true facebook-511380801 24.253.109.252
I think that goes without saying. The legislation, FBI harassment, raids, and media campaigns that will soon follow are not going to target people with schizophrenia, they will be targeting animal rights and environmental activists.]]> 2010-09-03T22:32:27Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
And wait, I MAKE A LIVING AT THIS? Hot damn! I'm gonna call the post office now, because I think my paychecks have been lost in the mail!]]> 2010-09-03T22:35:38Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-09-04T14:58:31Z greentangle@gmail.com greentangle 65.125.255.66 2010-09-04T22:15:08Z totallib@hotmail.com Totallib 12.38.132.137
Listen, even if it were true that human population growth was a problem (which this article suggests it isn't: http://www.salon.com/books/fea... ), there's still absolutely no need to use it as a platform from which to encourage societal changes to save the planet. Simply encourage women's rights, education, relief from poverty, and other specific ETHICAL (or if you prefer to call them "politically correct") methods of slowing population growth. Don't praise a guy who took The Discovery Channel hostage!]]> 2010-09-05T23:53:45Z Elaine Vigneault true facebook-511380801 24.253.109.252
There's a much stronger causal link between substance abuse and violent behavior than between mental illness and violent behavior. That needs to be said.]]> 2010-09-06T00:06:24Z Elaine Vigneault true facebook-511380801 24.253.109.252
I've said it about the anti choice groups and I'll say it about these groups-- a residential neighborhood is no place to be holding demonstrations -- they interfere with the rights of the residents on the street to enjoy their homes in peace and security.]]> 2010-09-06T00:13:29Z littledikkins@yahoo.com SE1949 71.195.184.104 2010-09-06T03:34:18Z andrew@papress.com Andrew 24.46.130.133
However, regarding habitat, species and water (all very LOCAL aspects), higher human populations in CERTAIN locales DO have an adverse effect on the delicate balance species maintain in any ecosystem. It's actually a little of both.

While the suffering will likely be immense, the good news for natural systems is they will eventually get back to equilibrium, meaning human populations will inevitably crash as oil and other "artificial energy subsidies" alter the current model of food production and as a result, widespread starvation will ensue. The wealthier nations will be better insulated but not immune to the impacts. Look to 2035 and beyond as very tough times, especially as seas rise, migrations increase and starvation becomes rampant.

Wish it weren't so, but as my Mom always says, "nature bats last."]]> 2010-09-06T15:23:17Z wcbarnes67@gmail.com Chip 69.138.234.192
So those particular words seem sane to me, but his actions seem to be those of someone who has lost his center. As R.D. Laing pointed out, insanity is a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world.

And the other points W.P. makes about Lee acting alone, etc., the racist remarks, etc. point to the actions of a disturbed person, not a movement of any sort.

Perhaps insanity lies in thinking the Discovery channel is solely responsible for the ills of this world, and/or in thinking that somehow destroying the Discovery channel would save the world. (Although countries have been bombed for sillier reasons than that by our "sane" leaders.)

As for the right-wing pundits who scream "eco-terrorist," well, they jump on any opportunity to do that, regardless of facts. It is far from surprising that they turned this story into a platform for their faux news and neglected to demonstrate any awareness about Lee's mental state.

Now, if we really want to discuss insanity, let's turn our lens on those guys....
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http://platypus1917.org/

His real name is Ross Wolfe; he seems to spend a lot of time trolling websites and attempting to pick fights with people he considers "romantics," "lifestylists," and so on. He's a grad student, presumably some type of Marxist, and has way too much free time.]]> 2010-09-09T15:07:32Z nothanks@yahoo.com Hope 128.118.150.84 2010-09-10T21:37:40Z alessiav@wol.co.za Alessia 41.114.189.209 In the early 1900's anarchism itself was called a mental degenerative disorder and even now Eco-Anxiety Disorder is being touted as a legitimate form of mental illness.
I think this kind of good protester/bad protester dichotomy is one that our enemies in blue (and suits) want us to engage in. I think it interacts with the violence/non-violence false debate that liberals, conservatives and the media have been pushing on us in an attempt to factionalize our movements and destroy support for political prisoners.
Other than this article I think you're doing a great job, I've enjoyed your page and presentations for years.]]> 2010-09-11T01:49:29Z itcanallbeours@gmail.com Alex 68.221.103.16
Out of all the comments I could have replied to this one caught my eye the most. You think it is not wrong for people to harm other people huh. Did you ever think the reason why people tend to label pro green groups as terrorist is that train of thought? ALL life has value, human, animal, and plant alike, but you can't go hurting one with out hurting the others. For example there is a human and a dog drowning in and icy lake at winter time. If you save the dog but let the human drown people might see that you do not value human life and might not join your cause. Then other animal might suffer and die because there are not enough people willing to join you as you do not value human life.
"Why should we have the luxury of being protected?"
True, if the human race never existed the environment would be unharmed...but this is not the case. We are the most evolved species on the planet. We can speak; we can organize our thoughts and put them into action. We have the tools to protect those who can not protect themselves human and animal alike. On the same note because not everyone is willing to protect the, for lack of a better term, weak, then those who are willing should be afforded some measure of protection, if not from the ruling authority then their peers. In the end what I am trying to drive home is this: You want to reach your fellow man and gain his support for your cause. Saying that hurting people in any way shape or form is not wrong will not help your case, because in the end your fellow man is the one who will be needed to step up to the plate to help protect mother earth. Causing him any kind of harm will only scare him away.
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Great website. Try contacting the Animal Rights institute at Upssalla University in Sweden? Edinburgh U has a big STS/HAS program, Frankfurt U. is home to critical theory.]]> 2010-09-15T17:52:59Z johntmaher@yahoo.com John 64.115.93.26 2010-09-16T01:53:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-09-16T17:03:33Z bikeswarm@gmail.com Matt 76.170.244.221 2010-09-17T08:28:28Z Tommyhaha001@yahoo.com Pink Lanyard true Tommyhaha001 124.120.119.249 2010-09-17T14:12:35Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-09-18T06:23:30Z Ross true openid-36389 74.72.91.176
Goodman might be Doc Sarvis, or Bishop Love.]]> 2010-09-18T16:27:38Z zpike3@yahoo.com Red 96.60.76.20 2010-09-18T19:48:25Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 98.66.177.227
Thank you so much Elaine for trying to inform people about mental health, as some with psychiatric diagnosis I really appreciate it.

Great post by the way Will, it's nice to see someone discuss this issue without ableist language.]]> 2010-09-19T19:47:59Z rudie138@hotmail.com CALM Mike 24.36.243.55 2010-09-20T05:56:16Z grottowe@hotmail.com games like runescape 220.253.254.141 2010-09-20T14:26:18Z fjakobci@chartermi.net Fred Jakobcic 24.177.171.177 I think agribusiness and biotech along with pharmaceutical corporations are the New World Order. Cargill, Syngenta and ConAgra (which owns vegan mock-meat company Lightlife) are also huge culprits in the Indian farmer suicides.
This is disturbing, but hardly surprising.
I know Scahill used to work for Democracy Now and I do wish some of the "progressive" news outlets would realize that AR activists'
rights are being really whittled away. (Environmentalists, too, but I think sometimes the progressives recognize that to some small extent.) But it's like they see the word "animal" and think it has nothing to do with them.]]> 2010-09-20T14:28:50Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 68.115.164.82 -online.de

]]> 2010-09-20T14:59:20Z rachel.meeropol@gmail.com Rachel Meeropol 24.103.72.114 2010-09-20T15:57:50Z heather.noodle@gmail.com Noodles 24.21.241.173 2010-09-20T16:09:16Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 There is NO-- National security-- when Uncle Sugar lets Monsanto, Du pont, blackwater, and big pharma have free reign to destroy. They are allowed to poison, pollute and mutate the food of the planet--these are the terrorist and all of our National security has been dismantled-- Because the "health of the nation" is NOT good for profits-- death and disease fuels their profits and greed sets their agenda.
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Not long ago a Worldwatch Institute report (2009), "Livestock and Climate Change," updating an earlier (2006) United Nations study, "Livestock's Long Shadow," stated that at least 51% of all greenhouse gas emissions annually worldwide stem from animal agriculture. That fact alone should in principle revolutionize any debate on global warming, particularly one conducted by the United Nations. Both the United Nations and the Worldwatch Institute reports recommend cutting down on meat eating or cutting it out entirely as the single most important thing anyone can do to reverse global warming. Is that not an amazing fact?

Why, then, at none of the endless United Nations climate summits across the world is the explicit relationship between animal farming and global warming ever considered? Why is only the transportation sector looked to for a solution and the solutions proposed so pitifully inadequate? That is a simple question and the United Nations needs to supply an answer. The survival of the planet is now at stake.

The horrors of animal farming--and not only those of the factory farms, for many small farms are committing the same horrific crimes against animals as their larger brothers--are still largely unknown to the public. They are not unknown to US, however. For how long are WE going to tolerate the atrocities?

When the French working people are disgusted with their treatment they organize. Millions pour out into the streets and bring their nation to a standstill. Isn't it time for us to show the same spirit? Isn't it time for a national non-violent civil disobedience mobilization against the meat and dairy industries?

What about organizing a country-wide demonstration at one of the heinous death farms to raise public awareness? What about organizing an army of non-violent protestors to occupy one of the death farm buildings? If hundreds of us were arrested en masse, the chances of fighting for a repeal of the AETA at the highest level would be greatly increased.

What about flooding the next major United Nations climate conference (Cancun, Mexico, November 29-December 10) with protest banners, photographs, and songs?

During April of this year the indigenous peoples of Bolivia held a People's Climate Conference in Cochabamba. They drew up a document, "A Declaration of the Rights of Mother Earth," part of their detailed answer to the problem of global warming. The Declaration is meant to be a sister to the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights and it contains a section on the rights of animals. If that Declaration becomes a part of international law, animal rights would be part of international law also.

The voices of Cochabamba need to be heard. Yet the importance of renouncing meat eating and of initiating a global campaign against meat and dairy needs to be made explicit. The crisis of animal agriculture needs to be made central to the international climate debate. The terrorism of the death farms needs to be laid bare.

At least some of Hitler's concentration camps were built out of converted farmhouses. What is being done to animals here and elsewhere is so extreme and so entrenched--it cannot be merely a matter of corporate greed. An article not long ago in the Wall Street Journal, in fact, stated that within the prior quarter Cargill's profits had dropped almost 70%. Something more than the profit motive clearly is at work.

Earth justice, animal justice, and the abolition of war--are these different issues entirely or ultimately different faces of the same issue? What about making sure environmental and animal activist voices are heard at every major anti-war demonstration? One need only state the facts. The public too needs to be mobilized. Fear needs to be set aside. Write! Publicize! Organize!
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how do environmentalists and animal rights activists expect to be taken seriously when they present these ridiculous conspiracy theories? so we've got these multinational corporations, operating in a seemingly abstract manner, with a whole network of goons, lackeys, and hitmen working 'behind the scenes' or however you want to concepualise it. why not the Illuminati? and if you're feeling anti-semitic, why not 'International Jewry'? i mean, aren't the 'Yids' supposed to be 'cosmopolitan' (international) and devious (abstract)?

you see, any one of these can easily substitute for Monsanto or biotech or pharmaceutical companies or whatever you'd like. they're just convenient catchalls by which you can try to explain ANYTHING. pure rubbish

all right, so maybe Monsanto is an 'evil' corporation, and you can throw a million facts at me about all the environmental regulations they've violated and numerous instances of their poor business ethics or illegal/murderous attempts to oust their rivals or potential threats. i wouldn't doubt for a second that the higher-ups in their organisation are all a bunch of pricks. but the problem is not this or that company or a few bad seeds evilly plotting on how to control the world. people act in their own self-interest, sure. but this goes far beyond some individual's or group of individuals' ability to orchestrate events or influence international politics, though these things do happen

fundamentally, it's a problem of the social form in which we live, and its economic basis. there's nothing inherently wrong with exploiting the environment; every other living organism on Earth exploits the environment in order to survive. we happen to be exceptionally efficient at it. the only problem is that our current mode of production is such that we don't really have much control over the rate at which the environment is exploited, and whether or not our activities might have permanently catastrophic and irreversible effects. it's the nature of capitalism, and even if we impose temporary regulations or international statutes barring companies from doing certain activities, this isn't going to end until capitalism is overcome

once we achieve the glorious emancipation of global postcapitalist society we can stabilise all this nonsense and get back to the ruthless (but controlled) exploitation of nature]]> 2010-09-22T23:27:50Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 65.88.88.174 a los defensores de los animales y el medio ambiente
es una verguenza que a Eric Mc David y a Marie Manson Janett los condenen a tantos años .
hay verdaderos asesinos sueltos liberación y justicia ya para todos los activistas desde Argentina mi abrazo para ellos Mimi Rocha]]> 2010-09-23T04:06:28Z mimi69400@hotmail.com Mimi Rocha 190.49.116.232
We will never see the government use that term against people who pollute the environment, though. Why? Because environmental destruction doesn’t threaten political or corporate interests.'

ok so yeah this is a little late but i think the problem with the terminology is simpler than you're making it out to be. i agree that the the term 'terrorist' has become something of a red herring in the last ten years and that it has been misused by some (who have political or economic agendas) to describe who are not actually terrorists. terrorism is a real thing, of course - it's just that its meaning has become vague and its usage suspect.

the reason i think that environmental activists, animal rights activists, and so on are termed 'eco-terrorists' is because they supposedly commit acts of terror out of their concerns with matters pertaining to ecology. (i agree with you that they probably do not actually commit acts of terrorism, but of course one would have to first define what constitutes 'terror'). anyway, we would likewise refer to Jihadist terrorists as 'Islamic terrorists,' or anarchist terrorists who plotted to kill the tsar in the late-19th century like Sergei Nechaev as 'anarcho-terrorists.'

in each of these cases, the terrorism is committed out of an ideological system referred to in word that comes first (or before the hyphen). so to call the corporations you mention 'eco-terrorists' because they commit acts of terror against the ecosystem would be just as absurd as to call groups or people who commit acts of terror against Muslims 'Islamic terrorists.' or to call groups or people who commit acts of terror against anarchists 'anarcho-terrorists.' the first word does not refer to the OBJECT that's being terrorized, but the belief system out of which the terrorism supposedly flows

i think that should clear things up a bit. hope i didn't come off as a dick]]> 2010-09-23T17:33:43Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 65.88.88.174
i'm just going to go ahead and say it: capitalism, globalisation, and the more efficient exploitation of the environment that has been facilitated by modern technologies have for the most part been a good thing.

sure, some people might lament the loss of native or 'indigenous' traditions, the charming simplicity of their lost way of life, in greater 'harmony' with nature. and obviously it's caused a lot of human suffering, brutality, and caused all sorts of local ecological imbalances. but it's a lot better than the darkness and ignorance in which Europe lived under serfdom, the feudalist social formation. it's also better than most of the primitive (invariably patriarchal) societies that capitalism has since encountered, which often had slavery and sexism institutionalised in their religious and social practices. also, the fact that we are able to produce enough food to potentially supply the entire Earth's population (of 6 BILLION +) people is historically unprecedented before capitalism and the technological advances and global distribution networks it engendered.

the ideal of returning to locally-grown, holistic, naturalistic, and 'organic' production is historically backwards and totally anachronistic. and that is pretty much what the entire Millions Against Monsanto essentially: 'action for organic, buy-local, and Fair Trade.' all production since the dawn of agriculture has been 'artificial.' herbicides, pesticides, and genetically-modified crops have, moreover, made it possible to vastly increase the yield of agricultural production and managed to hugely cut back on the degrading human labor involved. the extra money you pay to buy organic products is because it requires more labor to produce organic goods. you're paying for (and consuming) the extra sweat off the brow of the workers involved in the production process. if some herbicides or pesticides are harming the environment, the answer is not to reject them outright and go back to some antiquated mode of agricultural production, but to invent herbicides and pesticides that DON'T harm the environment

also, globalisation is generally a good thing, even if certain nations and groups of people are being taken advantage of along the way. Marx and Engels asserted in the Communist Manifesto that with capitalism, “In place of the old needs satisfied by home production we have new ones which demand the products of the most distant lands and climes for their satisfaction. In place of the old local and national self-sufficiency and isolation we have a universal commerce, a universal dependence of nations on one another.” they noted, too, that this is for the better. anything else would be perverse and thoroughly anti-modern]]> 2010-09-23T18:06:21Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 65.88.88.174 2010-09-24T19:51:28Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 65.88.88.174 2010-09-25T15:43:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 71.163.204.244
i mean, if they are just taking notes and gathering information in legal ways (not by stealing documents, breaking and entering, or what have you) i do not see what the issue could be. they wouldn't be preventing these groups from exercising their freedom to assemble, speak their mind, or anything like that. presumably they would just be transmitting the information so that Monsanto could formulate strategies against these groups or inform the police if they do witness any illegal activities. this may be morally reprehensible, but little beyond that]]> 2010-09-25T19:58:21Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 65.88.88.174
i mean, if they are just taking notes and gathering information in legal ways (not by stealing documents, breaking and entering, or what have you) i do not see what the issue could be. they wouldn't be preventing these groups from exercising their freedom to assemble, speak their mind, or anything like that. presumably they would just be transmitting the information so that Monsanto could formulate strategies against these groups or inform the police if they do witness any illegal activities. this may be morally reprehensible, but little beyond that]]> 2010-09-25T19:58:35Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 65.88.88.174 2010-09-27T10:32:15Z ionut8313@yahoo.com home theater seating 79.112.116.98 2010-09-27T14:20:17Z fuckyouall@hotmail.com Fuckyouall 84.193.162.222 Just like the government doesn't want anyone to save the earth, or rescue the animals and stop big, greedy business from promoting the suffering.
All-in-all, the government is showing us that it has absolutely ZERO soul, and ZERO ethics.
]]> 2010-09-28T17:11:31Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 98.66.177.236
the raids were, therefore, totally unnecessary and counterproductive. not merely because it's a waste of resources, but because it gives the peace activists a sense that they have an opinion that really matters, and that their activism doesn't just spring from some nonsensical ideological blob of 'no blood for oil' placards and 'free palestine' (it used to be 'free tibet') bumper stickers or some such meaningless gibberish. why even give these people the illusion that their cause is worth fighting for by making them the target of some bogus investigation?

the problem with all of this shallow peace activism in support of the Palestinian people or environmental activism in support of 'the Planet' or 'Mother Earth' is that in the case of Palestine, it's an unstable political/territorial entity controlled in large part by powerful (real) terrorist organisations that are funded by Syria or the hideously reactionary Iranian theocracy, with a violently sexist, anti-Semitic, and anti-modern religious worldview. this does not justify every action taken by the Israeli government, but the Palestinians (to the extent that you can even speak of them as a unitary group at all) have not proven themselves reliable negotiators at all. the case of environmental activism is even more convoluted so i'm not even going to go there]]> 2010-09-28T23:38:53Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 65.88.88.174 2010-09-29T00:21:31Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 98.66.159.138 2010-09-29T10:19:22Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 24.90.190.20
Thomas Burke, one of the activists who was subpoenaed, belongs to a miserable Maoist (therefore crypto-Stalinist) group called the Freedom Road Socialist Organization. This group is typical of the bad Left these days. They mindlessly adhere to Third Worldism, believing that revolution is possible on the periphery of capitalism, in the undeveloped world. They therefore support any homegrown "resistance" movement fighting back against U.S. or Israeli "imperialism," no matter how wretched. It could be Islamic fundamentalists combatting "Zionist" oppression or the FARC, an armed peasant revolutionary group modeling itself on the Cuban example, looking to install yet another backwater authoritarian hellhole regime calling itself Socialist.

I mean, a member of Burke's organization, Martin Eder, DID interview the leader of FARC, Raul Reyes back in 2002. It's on their website. To hardly anyone's surprise, they glamorized him uncritically. It's not out of the question that they gave financial support to FARC, is it?

And some pro-Palestine, anti-Israel activist groups have given support to the PFLP in the past. It's not unreasonable to suspect that this might have happened. I may be a Leftist, and generally don't want to see anyone's civil rights get violated (no matter how godawful their politics), but we don't know what sort of evidence the government is basing this on.]]> 2010-09-29T13:33:04Z Ross true openid-36389 24.90.190.20 ]]> 2010-09-29T15:01:38Z jordan_us007@yahoo.com Medicaid Doctors true medicaiddoctors 110.168.104.170 2010-09-29T18:01:16Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 98.88.18.212
i didn't support the invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan myself, but i realise that the sudden (or even 'phased') withdrawal of the American/British/International forces from these countries at this point would be disastrous. besides, i would welcome the establishment of another secularised liberal democracy or two in the region, with your standard civil liberties and equal rights for women. as things stand, Israel is the only one -- the only country in the Muslim world that approaches this standard is Turkey, and only then by the threat of a military coup ousting popularly-elected Islamic fundamentalists.

'make love, not war,' 'war is not the answer,' and other hackneyed slogans are utterly devoid of real political content. it dawned on me years ago that marching alongside black-bandana'd anarchists and shouting that 'this is what democracy looks like,' 'ain't no power like the power of the people 'cuz the power of the people don't stop,' is vague populist nonsense. military action and intervention is appropriate and effective from time to time. calculated violence, whether executing by the powers that be or against the powers that be, is at times a useful force for achieving political goals. any real leftist knows this]]> 2010-09-29T22:28:10Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 65.88.88.174 2010-09-30T17:26:56Z razorback@gmail.com the triangle 65.88.88.174 2010-10-01T15:19:37Z baily2@optonline.net Baily2 67.84.158.25 2010-10-01T15:45:57Z Aron Blue true twitter-52416163 24.186.183.220 The next t-shirt one of you guys should come up with is - ".....that's so terrorist...." lol]]> 2010-10-01T17:12:25Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 98.88.17.208 2010-10-01T20:08:36Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
but we have reached a point at which the exploitation of horse-labour for carriages has been superseded by the cold efficiency of the combustion engine. ORGANIC MUSCLE HAS BEEN SURPASSED BY THE MACHINE. all horse carriages do is provide a cheap romantic throwback for tourists and young couples, all while slowing down car traffic. they should be banned]]> 2010-10-01T21:41:46Z philjackson@gmail.com Jacob 65.88.88.174 2010-10-01T23:38:37Z ahimsalife@aol.com veganlove true veganlove 98.88.17.208 www.stuartbramhall.com). I currently live in exile in New Zealand.]]> 2010-10-02T05:12:43Z stuartbramhall@yahoo.co.nz stuartbramhall true stuartbramhall 111.69.252.248
We can’t…[just] pull people from one extreme, of ignorance, to another, of hyper-aware paralysis. If activist communities are going to survive this repression and move forward…we must lay claim to a space between the extremes of patriotic naiveté and hopelessness.'

the issue of human agency is at the core of this whole article. there's a huge problem with viewing the situation as just a few evil corporate bastards acting out of greed and manipulating the government and the general public to its advantage, or oppositely, of the public being unwittingly duped. if anything, it's systemic, a natural outcome of the global dynamic of capitalism. so it's not a question of replacing a few rotten CEOs or 'raising awareness' among the public

another mistake that most activists make is in their thoughtless positivity about their whole program of action. they get behind any change that seems 'progressive' without pausing to examine the basis of the cause they're fighting for. they can rattle off a few facts and hypothetical statistics, telling you that 'if everyone just walked 15 minutes to work instead of driving, we could cut down on toxic emissions by X percent,' or chant that 'meat is murder,' but it usually doesn't advance much further than these superficialities. as others have put it, the activists' general ideology 'combines the political illiteracy of hypermediated American culture with all the moral zeal of a 19th-century temperance crusade'

besides, if capitalism or 'corporate interests' is the disease, there are some cures might be worse than the disease. frankly i think that the government should monitor BOTH right-wing and left-wing terrorism, which extends to providing financial or material support to right-wing terrorist organisations like the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (which Abudayyeh has been accused of) or left-wing militias like the guerilla soldiers in FARC (which the Maoists in the Freedom Road Socialist Organisation have been accused of)]]> 2010-10-02T18:21:22Z philjackson@gmail.com Jacob 65.88.88.174 Mainstream media may suck, but gets a lot of viewers!
G1]]> 2010-10-02T20:46:32Z srhholmgren@gmail.com Susan 98.232.84.171 Easy to read, easy to follow links.
TY
Keep up the great work!
]]> 2010-10-02T20:47:48Z srhholmgren@gmail.com Susan 98.232.84.171 2010-10-03T00:14:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-10-03T02:29:00Z Elaine Vigneault true facebook-511380801 24.253.109.252 2010-10-03T02:35:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
"We can only turn to each other." A vague rallying-cry, if ever there was one.]]> 2010-10-03T03:37:44Z ben87rosenfeld@gmail.com BenRosenfeld 24.90.190.20
Not surprisingly, you avoid saying anything tangible, anything positive or constructive to the move the dialogue forward.]]> 2010-10-03T04:59:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
You know, there's a curious slippage in the identification of the first-person pronoun in your article. Most of the time, Mr. Potter, you assume the healthy journalistic distance of an outsider when reporting about these alleged (and often real) abuses of social activists' civil rights. You refrain from directly identifying yourself as an activists themselves. This tends to support your thesis that it doesn't matter if you are an activist or agree with the activists' cause or not, that the violation of their civil rights should concern everyone.

In this article, however, you repeatedly identify yourself with "activist communities" by referring to them as "we" and "us." Do you consider yourself an activist, Mr. Potter? By this I mean beyond just calling for an end to government repression of "Green" activism or trying to raise public awareness about it. I mean, it probably wouldn't surprise anyone to learn that you sympathize with much of what these activist groups advocate, since it would be hard to believe that you chose to focus on the Green movement at random.

Either way, this is what is suggested by your article, and it opens you up to more criticism than you'd be likely to receive otherwise. Because you don't usually like to get into it about whether the Green ideology has a legitimate basis or not.]]> 2010-10-03T19:54:03Z ben87rosenfeld@gmail.com ben rosenfeld 64.134.64.243 2010-10-04T00:30:01Z suckme254@yahoo.com Suckme254 122.105.237.181 2010-10-04T13:38:57Z feralspirit@hush.com FeralSpirit 71.178.29.145 2010-10-04T14:05:00Z abdulalsabuur@comcast.net Abdulalsabuur 71.230.95.104
However, I had been banned from posting stories or comments on Op Ed News.

Including 40 odd other regular contributors and dissidents. For daring to say what Rob Kall is saying about Obama BEFORE the election.

Ask about COTO and how us doom and gloom folks had to post only in our Free Speech Pen/column right after the election of Obama.

Then were all summilarily banned anyway. Including his former managing Co-Editor Rady Ananda.

google the words COTO Op Ed News and you will see it ll in it's gory details.

just a heads up.
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Since a lot of people in today's left think that any resistance to U.S. interests in South America or opposition to the the supposedly "apartheid" Israeli state is a good thing, it would not surprise me that they would provide support to Third-World leftist guerilla movements and Palestinian liberationists. Even if the latter are religious extremists.]]> 2010-10-04T17:01:54Z ytermeliksetian@yahoo.com Yelena 67.102.203.70
and with a name like 'FeralSpirit,' am i to assume you are some sort of anarcho-primitivist? if so, i would find it unbelievable that you could call someone else's ideology 'ridiculous']]> 2010-10-04T18:31:29Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 67.102.203.70
they fail to recognise that most of the activism of the last fifty years has regressed into empty symbolism. most marches are little more than theatrical displays of impotent protest, filled with spectacular acts of petty vandalism and the tired recitation of outworn slogans and chants. the sit-ins and boycotts they organise are likewise powerless, though they get to feel the moral superiority of the pacifist approach, of having engaged in non-violent, passive resistance. the intended effect of sparking public outrage is hardly ever achieved, as their efforts are usually just met with apathy or even annoyance on the part of the general populace

no matter what they try to tell you, the activists' program is less about achieving a concrete political goal than it is about the self-satisfied sense of morality that comes with participating in acts of simulated resistance, of 'being part of something,' tricking themselves into believing they've helped 'make a difference']]> 2010-10-04T19:01:52Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 67.102.203.70 2010-10-04T19:09:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
even if the peace activist groups' programs here are largely ineffective, they often are able to secure quite a bit of money in the form of donations from Arab expatriate populations and non-Arab opponents of Israel's policy on Palestine. if this money is then channeled into terrorist groups abroad, these domestic organisations should be held accountable]]> 2010-10-04T19:36:12Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 67.102.203.70 2010-10-04T20:05:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
if they are indeed not guilty of the crimes of which they are being accused, i hope that they are exonerated. but if evidence surfaces that irrefutably demonstrates a connection between the peace activists and these foreign terrorist groups, i would hope that they are punished accordingly

i wouldn't necessarily doubt that these peace organisations did fund the named terrorist groups, either. the Freedom Road Socialist Organisation has interviewed the Commandant of FARC, Raul Reyes, and otherwise praises FARC's 'noble' resistance:

http://www.freedomroad.org/ind...

Hatem Abuddayeh, for his part, is virulently anti-Israel, and has stated in interviews that "The U.S. and Israel will continue to describe Hamas, Hezbollah and the other Palestinian and Lebanese resistance organizations as ‘terrorists,’ but the real terrorists are the governments and military forces of the U.S. and Israel...This mass movement against war and imperialism must continue, and the Lebanese and Palestinian resistance must be supported."

^any clear-thinking leftist will tell you this is lunacy:

http://www.fightbacknews.org/2...]]> 2010-10-04T20:42:08Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 67.102.203.70 2010-10-04T20:59:34Z fornzimmer@yahoo.com Nadine Zimmer 192.220.135.34 2010-10-04T21:03:48Z fornzimmer@yahoo.com Nadine Zimmer 192.220.135.34
seriously, what the fuck happened to leftist politics? are we really saying we should vote for the Democrats? are we really rushing to the side of groups that declare their support for murderous Third World guerilla movements like FARC? and to maniacs like Abudayyeh who praise fundamentalist groups like Hamas (the Islamic Resistance Movement) and Hezbollah (the Party of God) for their righteous resistance against the 'real terrorists' in the U.S. and Israel militaries?]]> 2010-10-04T22:20:20Z philjackson@hushmail.com Jacob 67.102.203.70
Comments from Jacob, here, reflects the mainstream mindset that rather the self-critically analyze, chooses to accept the propaganda that only the narcissistic "we" can define terrorism and point the finger at who we choose to apply it to just because they don't meet our self-interests.

Jacobs question, "well, weren't these raids designed precisely to amass the evidence required to build a case?" disproves his argument and in fact supports much of the legislation trend and increasing practices of fbi/cop set-ups and entrapments. A quick search will show that. And add to that the continual and consistent increasing, especially since the past decades, of a privatized prison and industrial complex, and secretive biowarfare-corporate lab industry. Caged and tortured human and animals alike. Scary indeed. So, thanks Will for saying encouraging words. Afterall, because many of us are deeper thinkers, than the stereotype Jacob describes of "progressives", the reminder of solidarity is important because we carry heavy complex thoughts and feelings that are essentially universal, innate, and wise.]]> 2010-10-06T10:25:49Z sofiawolf13@yahoo.com wolf 68.93.108.202
Clearly our safety is in good hands.]]> 2010-10-08T16:26:44Z mpomo@yahoo.com Mpomo 65.244.170.30 frso.org.

But this is a worse thing: the Fight Back FRSO "peace" activists are actually hardcore Stalinists (this isn't just some sort of rumor, check their website). They vocally support both FARC and the PFLP, even if they might very well not MATERIALLY support them (funding them, etc.). Abudayyeh also speaks highly of Hamas and Hezbollah. And even if the term "terrorist" is too vague and nebulous post-9/11, it can be stated as a fact that the PFLP has claimed responsibility for suicide bombings in Israel and hijacking planes, and that FARC regularly kidnaps officials and even civilians (sometimes executing numerous hostages), and profits off the drug trade? To say nothing of Hamas or Hezbollah.

Also, the Stalinists in FRSO has worked with the government and police in the past, has called the cops on Trotskyists (Spartacists) and anarchists at demonstrations in the past. I'm not an anarchist or a sectarian Trotskyist, but I say fuck 'em.]]> 2010-10-08T22:40:55Z ben87rosenblum@gmail.com ben rosenblum 98.113.167.2 2010-10-09T17:16:21Z razor@military.com Razor 151.196.17.67 2010-10-09T22:03:21Z katieblossom@ymail.com kate 98.113.167.2 ]]> 2010-10-10T13:12:11Z groupmotorsport@yahoo.com general insurance true Group5motorsport 119.153.53.190 2010-10-10T21:43:21Z markdavidrobison@gmail.com Mark 67.142.130.19 2010-10-11T17:51:50Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 80.171.212.241 2010-10-13T22:59:57Z 111@comcast.net sb 68.124.182.86 2010-10-14T15:17:05Z blewsky16@yahoo.com remove smart engine virus true smarttech 75.125.198.210 2010-10-15T14:47:09Z slay3r117@live.com raven 152.157.208.140 2010-10-17T04:10:38Z msjanier78418@yahoo.com Janie Gaza Rivera 24.175.181.124 2010-10-17T09:07:30Z lisavegan@abv.bg Lisavegan 92.62.240.60 2010-10-17T11:45:01Z tomonroad@yahoo.com libhomo true libhomo 24.168.11.181 2010-10-17T15:09:52Z jebdowning@rocketmail.com Jebdowning 96.254.194.184 2010-10-19T02:49:16Z twocute79@hotmail.com Herrera 97.83.177.201 2010-10-22T01:12:02Z saccharin08@gmail.com Lawyer 119.93.55.31 2010-10-22T10:13:28Z mister_recognition@mail.com awards ribbons 110.55.64.155 2010-10-24T15:37:28Z jtsmiley14@gmail.com Drew 70.160.29.85 2010-10-24T19:04:24Z romans6_23@verizon.net Marie 71.101.36.80 Thanks]]> 2010-10-25T07:12:09Z alexalbert123@gmail.com animal information 122.182.8.26 2010-10-25T22:48:30Z Matthew Stephen Rogers true facebook-1438822592 216.86.84.91 2010-10-26T15:35:53Z scottie@adelphia.net Scottie 69.68.182.70 We have democtatic elections for a reason. If you don't like the results, then change it, at the polls, like American have for over 200 years.
If people like Chuck get their way, the USA will be just another "Banana Republic" before too long.
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Spoken like person with true respect for life.]]> 2010-10-28T15:31:14Z robclark1970@gmail.com Wah 207.136.179.66 2010-10-31T11:28:24Z c_etude@yahoo.com Cetude 71.101.52.46
I've heard every argument from, "This is just a slippery slope into regulating the treatment of food animals!" (because God for-fucking-bid animals that die for our dinner have the same quality of life that our beloved family pet has) to, "You just want to see all purebred dogs go extinct!" I have literally heard people say these things in real life.

I think this is all just part of a greater backlash. More and more people are becoming concerned about animal rights and the environment so those out there who are stuck in their ways are becoming more vicious because they're afraid of change. More people are choosing to become vegetarian/vegan, so extreme incidences are happening such as vegan potlucks being infiltrated by the government. It's happened several times in the past with other movements for social (and when I say social I mean ALL living things) justice.
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----- Original message -----]]> 2010-11-02T21:16:05Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 10.202.2.211
The worst was from a guy claiming to be an "animal lover," just because of the cognitive dissonance between claiming to love animals, and yet not wanting to do even the smallest thing to protect them!!

(I live in the Kansas City area, so I know about Proposition B but sadly cannot vote on it.)]]> 2010-11-03T00:22:27Z thelittlegreekguy@hotmail.com Thalestris true Thalestris 64.151.1.12 I do oppose Prob B based upon my personal experience. I also believe that the reason you find people becoming vicious is that they are tired of being labeled in an "Uncle Tom's Cabin" manner. Not all pet stores buy from puppy mills and not all breeders are puppy mills.
If you have this mind set going in, and are not willing to distinguish the differences, then wouldn't extremist be the proper label? The main problem with Prob B is not the space requirements for the feeding/cleaning schedules, it is the 50 breeding dog limit. What right do you have to limit the size of an operation if they are operating beyond the requirements of adequate space, cleanliness, exercise, and feeding schedules?
I honestly believe Prob B will only create more problems in the end. The larger kennels will have to remove any breeding dog over the 50 count...so where are these animals going to go? The previously larger number of breeding dogs allowed them to breed less frequently, but in order to maintain income, you need to sell the same amount of puppies per year. This will result in constantly breeding the 50 dogs in order to produce the same results.
I just wanted to put it out there that "these folks" that are voting are not all the ones that think that the Humane Society are "radical" or "extremist". They are only trying to preserve their businesses and have not done anything that warrants the government stepping in to regulate their ability to maintain their size or promote growth.]]> 2010-11-03T01:09:18Z cgabioud@gmail.com Christine 173.172.22.171 http://www.porkmag.com/directo...

You may now rejoice for the animals and gloat at the TEA baggers at will :)]]> 2010-11-03T16:58:27Z govegan3@gmail.com beforewisdom 66.44.80.166 2010-11-04T03:30:46Z pinkpandapooch@yahoo.com Kiwi 69.120.43.236 2010-11-04T20:10:46Z jamesa.lopez@yahoo.com James A. Lopez 72.20.140.25 2010-11-05T14:32:05Z govegan3@gmail.com beforewisdom 66.44.80.166 2010-11-05T14:33:04Z acorn@riseup.net Guest 68.194.128.233 2010-11-05T14:56:58Z Abby Bean true twitter-35840296 128.112.193.159 2010-11-05T16:16:41Z punkrockgrrrrrrl@yahoo.com Punkrockgrrrrrrl 75.93.61.208 2010-11-06T11:01:45Z Uniteddental_001@yahoo.com united dental true Uniteddental_001 124.120.114.67 I could care less for people who exploit animals and treat them as possessions using them for profit.]]> 2010-11-08T16:45:59Z cardoso5@yahoo.com Gina 70.181.89.85 2010-11-08T18:07:16Z dgg36@yahoo.com Dgg36 68.93.102.249 2010-11-08T18:55:14Z kej_48195@yahoo.com Kej_48195 204.39.88.143
Thanks for posting the video. I didn't realize he had such musical talent and now I'm listening to his other great songs at: http://www.myspace.com/acro]]> 2010-11-08T19:15:24Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker true brandonxvx 98.26.75.64 2010-11-08T19:26:53Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker true brandonxvx 98.26.75.64
But I also agree that - at minimum - as long as there are companion animals of any kind to adopt, we should not breed, since one way or another, directly or indirectly, those animals compete with the homeless shelter and rescue animals for homes, and thus add to the suffering and killing of innocent animals. Breeders also perpetuate - intentionally or not - a bias toward purebred dogs, which hurts the adoption rate of loveable mixed breeds. Furrthermore, a majority of dog breeds have congenital problems because the breeds have been designed for human utility at the expense of the dogs' structural integrity and overall health.

I understand that people want to protect their businesses but I cannot condone a business that intentionally exploits animals and inflicts easily avoidable harm on them.]]> 2010-11-08T19:41:35Z gary@compassion4animals.org Gary 173.79.128.96 2010-11-08T20:02:37Z brandonxvx@gmail.com Brandon Becker true brandonxvx 98.26.75.64 2010-11-09T17:04:30Z tashawiebe@live.com Tashawiebe 24.70.7.31 2010-11-11T23:43:45Z pcdunn@gmail.com Fogchaser 69.204.255.232 2010-11-12T08:09:06Z Bob Irving true twitter-85199704 217.155.41.163
http://www.vegan.com/blog/2010.../]]> 2010-11-12T14:35:02Z govegan3@gmail.com beforewisdom 66.44.80.166
I feel a bit dodgey about RT.com ( Russian Television). I watched them for a while as a youtube subscriber. It is my understanding that Russians never lost their cold war feelings toward the U.S. despite losing the Soviet Union. I don't know if it was my imagination reading things that were not there, but I got the vibe of a *SLIGHT* anti-American spin in their news clips.

I'm anti-redscare, vegan, voted for President Obama and I've never voted for a Republican.]]> 2010-11-12T14:40:05Z govegan3@gmail.com beforewisdom 66.44.80.166 2010-11-12T14:48:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
How can we help educate people on the meanings of words like Communist and Socialist? Can we ever get there? This tactic has been around for millennia. Think for instance of the simplistic "devil = bad" binary. Most people would probably laugh if Andrews had said that Prop B was an instrument of the devil but they blindly follow the same logic when confronted with communist, socialist, vegan, liberal, etc.

Thanks for the post, I'm glad someone is at least trying to point out how ridiculous these attempts are.]]> 2010-11-12T18:23:31Z riley.bri@gmail.com Brian 136.244.213.17 2010-11-14T21:01:55Z srhholmgren@gmail.com Susan 98.232.84.171 They were lucky to have Will Potter!
:)]]> 2010-11-14T21:02:48Z srhholmgren@gmail.com Susan 98.232.84.171 2010-11-15T14:56:55Z gary@compassion4animals.org Gary 173.79.128.96 2010-11-15T21:55:11Z debegg@msn.com Deb 173.57.31.77 2010-11-18T14:00:40Z jeanie.thompsonbay@gmail.com JeanieJ 69.208.37.232 2010-11-18T15:07:41Z scottmilk69@yahoo.com remove antivirus action virus true aav2 75.125.198.210 2010-11-19T22:07:39Z fornzimmer@yahoo.com Nadine Zimmer 192.220.135.42 ]]> 2010-11-22T11:51:19Z jordan_us007@yahoo.com Medicaid Doctors true medicaiddoctors 124.120.8.207 ]]> 2010-11-24T07:21:07Z jordan_us010@yahoo.com Used Transmission true usedtransmission 124.120.197.5 2010-11-24T15:40:02Z lol@yahoo.com Lol 172.191.172.167 2010-11-24T15:42:25Z kkk@yahoo.com stupidflatlanders 172.191.172.167 2010-11-24T15:46:21Z xxx@yahoo.com Deth2Smoochie 172.191.172.167 http://seaclearly.wordpress.co.../]]> 2010-11-26T01:16:36Z Sea Clearly true facebook-1291452339 70.248.184.60 2010-11-30T15:46:31Z philvegedg@gmail.com Guest 98.140.79.161 2010-11-30T19:02:46Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 146.243.4.157 2010-11-30T19:31:21Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-11-30T19:31:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-12-01T16:25:43Z riley.bri@gmail.com Brian 136.244.213.17 2010-12-01T16:32:52Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-12-01T18:12:33Z morality101@yahoo.com Morality101 98.88.69.60
If it is okay for AR activists, then the tactic will also be okay Christian fundamentalists who want to harass obstetricians outside of their homes.

Then there is the issue of ethics with regards to the neighbors, especially in a city where many people live in close quarters. The neighbors are innocent, yet they are subjected to the loud noise too.

Maybe these protests don't happen during the evening when people are trying to sleep and maybe the protests are short enough that they will not trash someone else's day who has nothing to do with the situation.]]> 2010-12-02T14:12:06Z soapy123@gmail.com Harrold 66.44.80.166 You are right, and it should be okay. Just becasue you disagree with the group does not mean they should be silenced. That is the logic behind any repression. The government, FBI, lobbyists, and other authorities don't appreciate the AR message and seek to repress us by stiffing 1st amendment speech. We cannot support these actions by suggesting we would like the 1st amendment rights of others to be stifled as well. There are plenty of noise ordinances that make sure protesters don't disturb people to late at night. Anything that specifically targets free speech must be challenged and cannot be excepted. We are already on a very slippery slope of repressed speech.]]> 2010-12-02T17:29:09Z vegina true openid-49376 71.107.90.106
Harassment is illegal, protesting isn't. Noise ordinances keep it quiet during quiet time.

I am also sad for neighbors who might be disturbed at a neighborhood protest, although if my home or my neighbor's home, I'd be much more happier that conscientious people can protest without fear of police repression. Freedom of speech doesn't work unless we embrace it.]]> 2010-12-03T04:27:04Z jerry@activist.com Jerry 98.141.68.188 2010-12-03T04:41:41Z forest@poetworld.net Forest 71.32.252.119 2010-12-03T12:35:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
The truly violent criminal acts originate solely from the industries that exploit and kill. The terror, agony, and premature deaths experienced by animal prisoners inside labs should be unacceptable to a civilized society--if we want to consider ourselves civilized. It's pathetic that as a society we fail to question and oppose the unethical and unscientific actions of monstrous corporations such as HLS.
]]> 2010-12-03T14:23:17Z thetravelingwoman@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.76.113.12 2010-12-03T14:35:08Z info@thetooncesproject.com Stefani 173.66.72.154
And how far away from residences do the people have to be? In DC it seems like everywhere you go is near someone's residence or residential area.]]> 2010-12-03T14:43:45Z uvula1@gmail.com Uvula 207.172.87.63
Have you lived in a neighborhood where someone was protesting your neighbor with a bull horn outside of her/his home?

If not, have you lived somewhere when a person went on vacation before their car alarm went off for the better part of an afternoon?

If not, have you ever been stuck in a situation outside of "quiet time" when you were subjected to loud noise on a prolonged basis and found it unpleasant?

]]> 2010-12-03T16:53:01Z soapy123@gmail.com Harrold 66.44.80.166 2010-12-03T21:04:42Z chadwickxvx@gmail.com Les Argotiers 174.124.100.216 http://www.supportdaniel.org/m...]]> 2010-12-03T21:19:52Z friendsofdanielmcg@yahoo.com Jenny 67.93.11.131 http://www.rootsofcompassion.o...]]> 2010-12-03T21:58:00Z hobnob@gmail.com Hobnob 70.124.79.108 2010-12-03T22:52:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-12-03T22:53:59Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 www.cinnaholic.com]]> 2010-12-04T00:46:44Z shannonmichelle@cinnaholic.com Shannon Michelle true shannonmichelle51 24.4.180.238 2010-12-04T02:18:48Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-12-04T17:56:34Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 98.94.170.41 2010-12-04T17:57:35Z simkha@riseup.net Wendy 98.94.170.41 2010-12-06T02:39:26Z c_etude@yahoo.com cetude true cetude 71.100.200.194 2010-12-06T12:59:59Z leepamella96@gmail.com dissertation writing service 27.255.21.63 2010-12-06T15:12:40Z lorenhart25@gmail.com Loren Hart 71.50.107.71 2010-12-06T15:39:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
If anyone knows of an ALF/ELF action in TN around this time (2005) please post. That would be a really useful lead. But I have a feeling this interview was not tied to a local investigation.]]> 2010-12-06T15:44:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 Did anyone else do a double take at the look of the actual document, though? It's straight out of Churchill's work uncovering files from the '70s. Have the FBI not upgraded from typewriters yet?]]> 2010-12-06T16:51:47Z leslie@lesliejamespickering.com Leslie 72.45.214.58 2010-12-06T16:57:12Z leslie@lesliejamespickering.com Leslie 72.45.214.58 2010-12-06T16:57:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-12-06T17:00:08Z leslie@lesliejamespickering.com Leslie 72.45.214.58 2010-12-06T17:04:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 - Jessica]]> 2010-12-06T17:14:12Z jhiemenz@gmail.com Jessica 67.158.109.90
Although this news comes as no surprise (everyone I know has long assumed this to be happening anyways) it's great to have proof.]]> 2010-12-06T17:34:17Z matt@unpunk.com mattnothing true mattnothing 38.105.231.102 2010-12-06T17:57:34Z pcannon@riseup.net PC 24.218.52.254
I know it's fairly common for groups like the ACLU or whatnot to do these requests, get documents, and still not make them publicly available, but I thought it'd be worth asking.]]> 2010-12-06T18:30:48Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com Matthew 99.62.66.96 2010-12-06T19:17:45Z katiepat@gmail.com Katie 71.32.90.129 2010-12-06T19:28:34Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-12-06T19:50:47Z lorenhart25@gmail.com Loren Hart 71.50.107.71 2010-12-06T21:44:07Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com Matthew 99.62.66.96
But then, who needs logical continuity and consistency when you've got ideological and profit motives?

Keep up the good work Will.]]> 2010-12-06T21:53:37Z james.clark.28@gmail.com James C 155.247.166.28 2010-12-06T21:55:46Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 www.stuartbramhall.com). I currently live in exile in New Zealand.]]> 2010-12-07T00:44:38Z stuartbramhall@yahoo.co.nz stuartbramhall true stuartbramhall 111.69.250.174 http://motivecompany.bigcartel...]]> 2010-12-07T02:31:19Z xvgunlinx@hotmail.com Lin 74.76.59.29 2010-12-07T03:04:42Z nathan210723@hotmail.com nate 98.245.174.97 2010-12-07T03:34:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-12-07T06:02:51Z dahmer85@myspace.com Poppa Pigg 98.222.160.88 2010-12-07T06:04:45Z dahmer85@myspace.com Poppa Pigg 98.222.160.88 and you never know when they'll go
right back to some tactics like COINTELPRO"

--Drew Dellinger

www.drewdellinger.org]]> 2010-12-07T07:59:04Z drew@drewdellinger.org Drew 76.126.129.21
I had not thought about WikiLeaks as a threat to existing news organizations but it makes absolute sense.

What I have been most disappointed to see was the pressure that was placed on the financial institutions (PayPal, MasterCard, Banks, and now VISA) to essentially disrupt WikiLeaks financing. Unfortunately all of these institutions are caving to external pressures and jeopardizing the freedom of information.

When has it been alright in the past to shut down all of an organization's revenue streams when the only legal complaint against it is that one of its members has been ACCUSED of a crime. WikiLeaks the organization is not accused of rape so why cripple it?

This would never happen to a corporation. I'm sure there are many instances of CEOs or members of the board of directors in many corporations who have been accused of crimes. I doubt very much that an effort to freeze their funding resulted from those accusations.

Thanks again for the article and keep them coming!]]> 2010-12-07T15:25:20Z riley.bri@gmail.com Brian 136.244.213.17 2010-12-07T15:36:17Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 http://tinyurl.com/25wam66]]> 2010-12-07T21:12:40Z JonSTeps true twitter-17603557 173.77.219.178 2010-12-07T23:28:20Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 170.63.96.108 2010-12-07T23:31:18Z transendit@gmail.com transendit true transendit 67.101.25.200 it would be. The dystopian worlds of 1984, Brave New World,
V for Vendetta and even the Matrix are possible, now we
can see that what mediocrities were thinking. "The web will
let us control the mob by Smart technology". It takes an issue
like this to send the chills down my spine, and the feeling of
feeling more alienated than Ever.]]> 2010-12-08T01:25:51Z transendit@gmail.com transendit true transendit 67.101.25.200 2010-12-08T11:01:58Z rob.kwon@gmail.com speakthetruth 24.85.246.128 2010-12-08T17:47:53Z lawndebri@yahoo.com Lawndebri 76.105.245.142 ]]> 2010-12-08T17:56:06Z lawndebri@yahoo.com Lawndebri 76.105.245.142
Assange Set Up By CIA Operative?
By Paul Joseph Watson Infowars Dec, 7, 2010
Posted at:
http://www.infowars.com/assange-set-up-by-cia-operative/
From: [infowarsnews newsletter] Digest Number 1695
http://www.infowars.com

The subject in the articlel was also discussed on the
Coast To Coast AM radio show, last night. They have an audience of
over 15 million people and broadcast to over 500 American cities.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
The interview by host George Noory with Alex Jones from Inforwars
is archived at:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/12/07

The following copy / paste DOES NOT have the embedded links that
are given at the above web page:

Date: 12-07-10
Host: George Noory
Guests: Timothy Schultz, Alex Jones

Appearing during the first two hours, radio host Alex Jones offered commentary on the WikiLeaks situation and controversies surrounding Julian Assange's arrest. WikiLeaks founder Assange is being set up and framed with rape charges, he reported. Further, Jones suggested that Cass Sunstein, the White House regulatory czar, is actually behind WikiLeaks and is using it to create a kind of "digital 9-11," or Internet kill switch. "They've got new legislation in place they're calling the Patriot Act for the Internet-- taxation, regulation, web IDs, a total iron curtain over the alternative press," he declared.

Regarding the Army Private (Bradley Manning), suspected of releasing the documents to WikiLeaks, Jones argued that a low level Private would not have access to super-secret US documents and cables that aren't even connected to the US Army. "It's clear that Manning is a patsy from the military angle," and Assange is the patsy as the supposed mastermind, he said. "My point is that this is all being put on display to sell a new McCarthyism in this country, to persecute anybody," and eliminate whistleblowers, Jones warned.

End of excerpt from the Coast To Coast AM web page at;
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/12/07


FYI:
For those of you in the Bcc that are not aware, the
Coast To Coast AM talk radio show has a listener base
of over 15 million people and is broadcast live to over
500 cities, in the U.S.A.

Blessings,

The Toxic Reverend http://twitter.com/toxicrevere...
Coast To Coast Toxic Effects
Health effects of toxic chemicals and non-lethal biological weapons
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2010/09/18]]> 2010-12-08T17:56:55Z toxicreverend@gmail.com Toxicreverend 68.121.166.86 2010-12-08T18:50:17Z claude@freedomarchives.org Claude 63.200.129.254 2010-12-10T00:27:04Z azranoxx@gmail.com Azranoxx 209.129.128.213
It is unfortunate that the lies of some politicians have been repeated so relentlessly without questioning their validity and their source.]]> 2010-12-10T03:07:39Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-12-10T19:13:18Z mallamsl@mchsi.com Mallamsl 173.22.221.244 2010-12-10T19:43:52Z virgendelasvacas@yahoo.com Virgendelasvacas 69.151.67.51 2010-12-11T01:27:28Z ciaraburkett@gmail.com cb 67.85.182.133 2010-12-11T01:41:49Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2010-12-11T08:19:17Z kbgodly24@yahoo.com vinny t 74.199.103.57 2010-12-11T13:54:23Z jpict@aol.com Jpict 75.25.96.104 http://www.anti-politics.net/d.../]]> 2010-12-11T14:19:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-12-12T04:41:42Z jordan_us007@yahoo.com Medicaid Doctors true medicaiddoctors 110.168.123.65 2010-12-13T19:24:40Z photobot2000@yahoo.com Photobot2000 63.230.28.42 2010-12-14T03:11:39Z libirate@gmail.com libirate 68.99.223.79 http://wikileaks.ch/cablegate....]]> 2010-12-14T07:08:55Z afelsinger@gmail.com Alex 76.126.137.115 2010-12-15T13:33:15Z kensxe@gmail.com Kenneth M. Montville true Kenxvx 68.0.44.109 2010-12-15T16:45:01Z baily2@optonline.net matt 216.83.104.124 ]]> 2010-12-15T18:20:05Z lawndebri@yahoo.com Lawndebri 76.105.245.142 2010-12-15T18:23:27Z lawndebri@yahoo.com Lawndebri 76.105.245.142 2010-12-16T00:02:56Z 2mendy@gmail.com Zig true Zig801 76.27.80.113 ARRA,” so that “instead of murdering our kid, he can have satellite internet at a smashing price!” (I linked it so you can actually see it’s about $400 in taxpayer money that our President chose to waste on this s**t, aren’t I so funny hah). The messed up part is that she went and told her dad, who happens to be just as liberal as her, and who also happens to own the house that we’re renting. To make a long story short, my tenancy has been “suspended” from his house (I’m now staying at my buddy’s place until this thing blows over) and he gave her the money to get the abortion. I haven’t talked to her in almost a week, so it’s pretty safe to say that she has already gone through with it. So my question is, do you think I was being inappropriate for mocking my wife and father in law’s political ideologies, or do you think I’m being unfairly persecuted because of my relative conservatism, and the Obummer joke I made has little to nothing to do with this? I’m thinking the latter.]]> 2010-12-16T00:31:36Z chriscody333@yahoo.com chriscody333 true chriscody333 24.248.96.82 2010-12-16T04:48:04Z kezia@evolotuspr.com Kezia 75.43.208.21 2010-12-16T09:57:40Z jordan_us011@yahoo.com 700R4 Transmission true 700r4transmission 124.121.219.28 2010-12-16T12:40:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2010-12-16T20:14:46Z bethlambykins@gmail.com razldazl 168.103.149.221 2010-12-16T20:19:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919), “Lincoln and Free Speech,” The Great Adventure (vol. 19 of The Works of Theodore Roosevelt, national ed.), chapter 7, p. 289 (1926)

“There is something to be said for government by a great aristocracy which has furnished leaders to the nation in peace and war for generations; even a Democrat like myself must admit this. But there is absolutely nothing to be said for government by a plutocracy, for government by men very powerful in certain lines and gifted with the 'money touch,' but with ideals which in their essence are merely those of so many glorified pawnbrokers.”
Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919), U.S. Republican (later Progressive) politician, president. letter, Nov. 15, 1913.]]> 2010-12-18T05:29:08Z streamfortyseven true yahoo-ZZV5EVJYOZWRNQYGX5J2UTEMMY 24.255.171.105 2010-12-18T08:03:51Z veganimalien@riseup.net Veganimalien 24.21.202.143
The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.

John F. Kennedy

How can we not want to know??????
]]> 2010-12-18T17:09:06Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 71.88.110.145 2010-12-18T17:17:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
Not to mention that the News will reiterate the fact that Julian Assange is facing sexual assault charges. But no one will look up the facts about that either. All they hear about this Assange fellow is that he's pretty much a terrorist/rapist who wants to endanger the lives of us Americans and bring down our government.

Oh yeah, and great interview!
I <3 this blog]]> 2010-12-18T19:44:54Z foodtofantheflames@gmail.com Ren 71.105.194.122
Completely agree. Thanks for posting that, Ren.]]> 2010-12-18T19:52:09Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 www.ranalysts.com for all your financial information need, such as historical and daily stock gainer/loser, historical and daily upgrades/downgrades, price target, job openings, etc]]> 2010-12-18T21:22:16Z info@analysts.com Info 74.101.70.32 http://translate.google.com/tr...), from a person in Sweden who tells the whole story, seems like Assange had convinced Ardin (real name Anne Bernardin) that he wanted a monogamous relationship with her, they had sex a number of times, then she found out he'd had sex with a friend of hers, too, whom he'd told the same thing, that he wanted a monogamous relationship with *her*. Well, hell hath no fury like *two* women scorned, who both know each other, and talk about it over coffee the next morning. And Ardin wrote a blog about this very situation on her Wordpress account, which she tried to hide (and couldn't), with a picture of a guy two-timing a girlfriend...

text from Goran Rudling's story:
"Julian lives in Anna Bernardin apartment, 11 August to 19-20 August. During that time, Julian and Anna have sex. Around 18 to 19 August Anna received a call from a woman who is looking for Julian. When Anna finds out that Julian also had consensual sex with this woman Anna gets mad. The two women who are both Christian and has links to the Brotherhood movement and attended the seminar on the Brotherhood movement understands immediately that Julian does not have any serious long-term intentions with them. They decide after calls to accuse Julian Assange of sexual abuse.

It seems rather seem strange that a Christian socialist feminist uses the law to get revenge on a man who is "cheating". When you read about Anna Bernardin post about revenge , it's no longer strange. It all becomes natural. Anna Bernardin has long wondered how to get revenge on a man who dumps her and is cheating. When the second woman showed up, she was able to make good plan. Anna Bernardin has planned it all good. She has got another woman to stand behind the rape report. A case of revenge by proxy. And then have been helped by Claes Borgström, who did everything he could to try to get Julian Assange prosecuted, vigorously cheered by feminist blogs. But the truth will out eventually. Anna's perfect "Sjustegsmodell for legal revenge" failed. A deletion too little. And the Google cache. Unfortunately, Anna. Bad luck. Lord's ways are inscrutable..."

It's revenge: hell hath no fury like *two* women scorned, who know each other, and one, waking up, answers the phone first... not CIA:
http://www.samtycke.nu/2010/09...
http://www.samtycke.nu/2010/12...]]> 2010-12-19T06:38:09Z streamfortyseven true yahoo-ZZV5EVJYOZWRNQYGX5J2UTEMMY 24.255.171.105 2010-12-20T00:03:42Z Cindie White-Weiss true twitter-22410088 96.252.88.164 THEY, "POLICE" WOILD NOT GIVE THE REASON, AS PROTESTERS WATCHED HIM BE TAKEN AWAY. POSTED ON YOU-TUBE.........AMERIJET PROTEST(MONKEYS SUPPIED THRIUGH THEIR TRANSPORT...MONKEYS FOR LABS....100'S)......ON......YOU-TUBE> AMERIJET DATED 12/17/10? .................LABELED TERRORIST?]]> 2010-12-20T00:16:32Z pjdidiegoo@msn.com JILL 184.32.221.147 ALSO CHECK ON DR. STEVEN BEST ON.................POWER.]]> 2010-12-20T00:20:28Z pjdidiegoo@msn.com PJDIDIEGOO 184.32.221.147 2010-12-20T05:26:15Z escobar.jack@gmail.com Jack 71.135.187.35 2010-12-20T17:59:10Z Elaine Vigneault true facebook-511380801 24.253.109.252 2010-12-21T19:03:24Z dfgdf@aol.com Dfgdf 69.235.209.94 2010-12-22T19:07:33Z NM true yahoo-LIYEJJ2HGOV5RWUQASZEN7OGVE 184.36.9.113 2010-12-22T21:54:45Z bobbielama@yahoo.com Bobbielama 160.133.1.228 2010-12-24T07:11:03Z rockhop26@yahoo.com Matt 174.17.133.188 2010-12-26T04:29:18Z ritrobintt@hotmail.com Rita 75.185.195.222 Green Business Certification?]]> 2010-12-27T11:15:35Z salman98210@gmail.com Salman98210 182.178.216.188 "


Well, that sums it all up right there. "People who portray Animal Rights Nuts as the extremist psychopaths they are should all die."

In any event, this is nothing but apologist porpaganda. The violent freaks at SHAC continue to rot where they belong.]]> 2010-12-30T09:43:06Z fuckaras@hudfghs.com Vegans Are Sheep 24.147.47.92 http://sites.google.com/site/d....]]> 2010-12-30T16:02:16Z gordon71samuels@yahoo.com Gordon71samuels 24.105.128.20 2010-12-30T17:21:57Z kimberly_lee_83@hotmail.com Kim 24.138.53.196 2010-12-30T17:53:53Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 173.103.27.238 2011-01-02T03:58:25Z sherry@onegreenstreet.com Sherry 98.199.20.28 Green Business Certification?]]> 2011-01-03T06:27:27Z salman98210@gmail.com Salman98210 110.36.11.113 2011-01-03T20:00:15Z favorite.innocence3@gmail.com Favorite Innocence3 70.109.45.113
By the way, the Steve Irwin cant fit into a swamp :P I used to live in Texas and have spread awareness on animal causes there as well as Florida. Youre making them sound like disrespectful hicks. Some may be stubborn in their beliefs, but trust me, they arent much to be afraid of.

Big checkbook? lol now if thats not a joke I dont know what is. Ive NEVER been wealthy or anything close to it, and thats perfectly fine with me.]]> 2011-01-03T20:06:07Z favorite.innocence3@gmail.com Favorite Innocence3 70.109.45.113 http://www.icrwhale.org/]]> 2011-01-03T21:43:56Z a@a.com Anon 203.48.59.196 2011-01-03T21:46:06Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2011-01-03T23:03:13Z bugnvdub@msn.com Bugnvdub 71.62.125.31
People are like ostriches...hiding their heads in the sand when they don't want to face something unsettling or something that makes them question the status quo...Makes me want to punch my fellow man]]> 2011-01-04T00:16:17Z spaceninja2000@gmail.com EvilShannanigans 24.109.233.87 2011-01-04T07:54:35Z flecknoe@hotmail.com The whales 121.44.205.142 2011-01-04T13:28:57Z saraswati628@gmail.com Saraswati628 74.76.128.127
I fancy myself a libertarian and share a lot of views with Greens.]]> 2011-01-04T16:28:59Z jloganj@gmail.com JLoganJ true JLoganJ 96.238.62.169
Last November Sea Shepherd challenged whaling proponents to a public debate that Watson promised to post unedited on YouTube and the Sea Shepherd website. Watson even offered to send the least experienced staff member for the debate. When profiteers don't have science or ethics on their side, they scuttle away from debates like their ass is on fire.

Let's start calling things by their real names. Whalers are eco-terrorists. They kill not only individual whales but the biodiversity that's essential for a healthy earth.

]]> 2011-01-04T16:44:40Z thetravelingwoman@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.76.122.67 2011-01-05T00:26:16Z n3wrj@yahoo.com Alex 98.21.24.28
Love your work, love the site, and I will syndicate any content you wish at www.punkrockpermacutlure.com

you inspire me as a journalist,

~evan @gaiapunk]]> 2011-01-05T00:49:18Z Evan Schoepke true twitter-29519681 24.18.105.232
I like the crafts, but I do have a tool to share that would be beneficial to cover costs on the site. I use a nano payments service called Flattr which was started by one of the co founders of the infamous pirate bay as a way to give back to content creators. I have been successful at raising revenue from this service and it has help get my content to a broader audience as well. The principal mutual aid and sharing is intrinsic to the service and I highly suggest using it because it's very easy to implement.]]> 2011-01-05T00:57:36Z Evan Schoepke true twitter-29519681 24.18.105.232 2011-01-05T04:34:07Z stefani.olsen@gmail.com Stefani 173.66.72.236 2011-01-05T18:04:17Z littlebuzzard1@aol.com michele6933Littlebuzzard1 207.200.116.132 2011-01-05T18:11:04Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2011-01-05T18:11:36Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2011-01-05T19:57:35Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 146.243.4.157 2011-01-05T23:24:14Z matthewstrugar@gmail.com Up_Against_The_Law true Up_Against_The_Law 99.62.66.96 2011-01-05T23:34:55Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
Training material used by Canadian police to inculcate its officers in the lead-up to the G20 summit in Toronto has also been obtained through FoI - see PDF here: http://toronto.mediacoop.ca/si... (Via Euro Police Blog).

Apparently bagpipers are particularly suspicious!]]> 2011-01-05T23:44:29Z BristleKRS true openid-27732 82.32.5.68 2011-01-06T01:05:55Z wingnut_collective@yahoo.com Wingnut_collective 24.125.134.42 2011-01-06T01:55:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2011-01-06T01:56:11Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2011-01-06T02:03:53Z berial999@yahoo.com Berial999 24.13.107.5
Have you seen any Homeland Security documents like this that clearly defines the term "terrorist" for their agents or do they simply tie the label to groups in their communications?

I see the new "terrorist" label as a continuation of the string of labels the government and media have been using since at least World War I (anarchist, bolshevik, socialist, communist, etc.) to neatly segment dissidents off into a vague group interpreted by the majority of the public as "enemies of the American way of life." Once the government and media successfully get the public to fear the concept of a "terrorist" it becomes easy for them to apply the label to anyone they choose while the public who now relates the label with blind fear automatically go along and call for the government to hunt those dissidents down.]]> 2011-01-06T14:42:10Z riley.bri@gmail.com Brian 136.244.213.17 http://www.scribd.com/doc/1923...

Thanks for your comment, sounds like interesting work.]]> 2011-01-06T15:44:22Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2011-01-06T15:55:26Z jimmy_jay@crapaganda.com Jimmy_jay 71.63.210.161 2011-01-06T15:58:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2011-01-06T18:41:50Z kaitlyn_smith20@hotmail.com Kaitlyn_smith20 74.252.64.3 2011-01-06T19:29:45Z jfbhvb@hotmail.com Jfbhvb 70.48.124.8 2011-01-06T20:58:46Z bleach@gmail.com Bleach 71.207.129.158 2011-01-07T02:34:32Z dalemcgill@yahoo.com Ella 67.165.81.149 2011-01-07T02:36:03Z dalemcgill@yahoo.com Ella 67.165.81.149 2011-01-07T03:00:32Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2011-01-07T14:04:05Z me@yourmomshouse.com Prudence Dogood 24.185.105.199 2011-01-07T14:42:01Z dslong@swbell.net Kant feel Pietzsche 99.151.37.203 2011-01-07T14:45:09Z dslong@swbell.net Kant feel Pietzsche 99.151.37.203
Plus the other day I was walking outside and I swear, I can't prove it, but I think one of the satellites flew down and followed me for about two blocks. Then it flew away again just before I turned around. Scary!]]> 2011-01-07T15:10:00Z stonerjoe@gmail.com joe 67.248.212.228 http://reason.com/blog/2011/01...)

"But at least they didn't release them to Wikileaks, so all is swill..."]]> 2011-01-07T17:06:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2011-01-07T17:57:17Z anon@no.com Bradley 76.10.156.124 2011-01-07T22:05:40Z fornzimmer@yahoo.com Nadine Zimmer 192.220.135.34 -
http://wrirnews.blogspot.com/2...]]> 2011-01-08T00:27:51Z bradkutner@gmail.com Bradkutner 173.53.56.240 2011-01-08T08:20:40Z deanosor@mailup.net deanosor true deanosor 174.24.227.135 2011-01-08T16:21:28Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 http://tinyurl.com/37sx7oq]]> 2011-01-08T22:21:52Z Greg Bean true twitter-49250229 115.64.74.3 2011-01-09T02:25:57Z Richard true yahoo-OK42ORRH7S6NO5N6O6QJX6BDYA 24.7.153.182 interesting essay on defining "terrorism" from Counterpunch in 2003.]]> 2011-01-10T02:29:23Z hhoffman@wesleyan.edu CT Hankster 69.177.231.184 2011-01-10T02:32:43Z butthole67@google.com Butthole67 222.148.212.161 http://onebigtorrent.org/downl....]]> 2011-01-10T02:38:00Z jason@absolutionrevolution.com Jason Barr true AbsltnRvltn 108.72.232.56 2011-01-10T04:05:02Z houstonhelpanimals@yahoo.com Houstonhelpanimals 64.125.179.193 2011-01-10T04:08:48Z houstonhelpanimals@yahoo.com Houstonhelpanimals 64.125.179.193
Second, what Sarah Palin meant and what is expressed is subject to interpretation as meaning is not necessarily inherent within the rhetoric itself. She may not have actually wished physical harm on the people who were targeted on the map, but that doesn't mean someone else may have seen it the same way. Now, seeing as Palin took down both this map as well as the aforementioned tweet within moments of the shooting I would say that she was full aware that her vitriol may have come back to bite her in the ass. This pedantic backpedaling is all that she can do to distance herself from this tragedy.]]> 2011-01-10T04:14:35Z kensxe@gmail.com Kenneth M. Montville true Kenxvx 68.0.45.126 ]]> 2011-01-10T04:15:13Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 http://tinyurl.com/2f6lzxy ] . So, you are factually wrong and she is lying.]]> 2011-01-10T04:23:22Z postlapsaria@hotmail.com Yakov Wolf 71.231.164.237
If you believe that, you are a butthole.]]> 2011-01-10T04:26:59Z boo@microsoft.com Boo 74.106.193.2 2011-01-10T06:32:16Z veganavenger@yahoo.com.au Veganavenger 180.200.139.184 2011-01-10T07:42:36Z thekidzone@gmail.com bobbymav 76.93.143.180
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2355...

Palin's motto after this map became "Don't retreat, reload!"

Enough said.]]> 2011-01-10T07:54:05Z samleonlive@gmail.com James - FORMER Republican 69.229.37.185
Daily Kos was swift to scrub its post from a Tucson writer explaining how the congresswoman was now "dead to me."

One of the blog's diary writers, identifying himself as BoyBlue, had written a post only two days before the shooting titled "My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!"

Friends describe this gut as a "left wing nut job," So what makes you even think he was reviewing Palin's website.]]> 2011-01-10T12:33:03Z hi2@hushmail.com hi 2 u 184.82.3.245 2011-01-10T12:40:52Z mcs8244@uncw.edu Mcs8244 65.184.59.132 2011-01-10T14:22:44Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2011-01-10T14:31:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 And then there's this --Giffords opponent held June event where they could "Shoot a Fully Automatic M16" to "Get on Target" & "Remove Gabrielle Giffords" http://mmflint.me/hF1BN5]]> 2011-01-10T15:02:08Z may68@me.com Alice2112 174.16.98.21
Counterforce remains one of many strategies of self-defense. It's not a threat to national security as the feds like to claim. Counterforce is national security, to those who want to protect justice and civil liberties. And I'm not saying cart Palin off into the hinterlands of a Communications Management Unit, but she's an excellent example of what irresponsible, violent rhetoric really looks like.]]> 2011-01-10T16:15:56Z thetravelingwoman@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.76.122.67 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...]]> 2011-01-10T16:17:34Z bw.webmail@gmail.com beforewisdom 66.44.80.166
Is the political ad in this picture similar to an ad for a surveyor?




Picture of an ad calling to shoot Gifford
http://www.boingboing.net/2011...

The article it was from
http://www.boingboing.net/2011...


]]> 2011-01-10T16:23:25Z bw.webmail@gmail.com beforewisdom 66.44.80.166 2011-01-10T16:24:50Z bw.webmail@gmail.com beforewisdom 66.44.80.166 2011-01-10T16:49:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2011-01-10T19:22:13Z bw.webmail@gmail.com beforewisdom 66.44.80.166 2011-01-10T20:22:18Z freeqquay@gmail.com Freeqquay 68.144.60.173 2011-01-10T20:54:20Z jhenderson@gmail.com JHenderson 67.170.160.240 2011-01-11T02:38:44Z lionoak@gmail.com tribalscribal 69.19.14.41 2011-01-11T02:43:15Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2011-01-11T03:07:51Z michaelianblack69@gmail.com dpot true dpot 99.132.153.64
http://www.anarchistnews.org/?...]]> 2011-01-11T08:10:09Z cause_for_revolution@hotmail.com Cause_for_revolution 71.234.173.225
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...]]> 2011-01-11T12:19:32Z sfactor@mac.hush.com Sfactor 64.128.11.80 2011-01-11T14:55:02Z Abby Bean true twitter-35840296 128.112.193.159 2011-01-11T15:07:19Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2011-01-11T15:07:32Z weakanthropic@hotmail.com WeakAnthropic 76.15.12.189 2011-01-11T15:11:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 Red.com is mentioned on the New Statesman's website today: http://www.newstatesman.com/bl...
]]> 2011-01-11T18:19:42Z guest@guest.com Guest 174.48.108.214 2011-01-11T18:33:51Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2011-01-11T18:34:33Z littlebuzzard1@aol.com michele6933 207.200.116.9 2011-01-11T20:09:22Z fjakobci@chartermi.net Fjakobci 24.177.168.188 another reason to take out guns and our speech
another reason to be afraid
a Bigger reason to Love your neighbor


people are people

But we are all animals on on this planet let us start acting like it! Please xox
]]> 2011-01-11T23:10:04Z lawndebri@yahoo.com Lawndebri 76.105.245.142 they burnt Joan of Ark and many other women at the stake
they killed JFK, and Dr. King , and Malcom X
they support an illegal war and have killed millions
they like wall street and don;t like to lose money --the shac campaign is a threat to the financial security of a horrendous industry built on cruelty exploitation and murder.
they do not play fair
they do not shoot from the hip
they print the money
they buy the laws
they foster hate
they fear that real peace and nonviolence begins at breakfast!
Vegan Love peace to all the earthlings]]> 2011-01-11T23:31:48Z lawndebri@yahoo.com Lawndebri 76.105.245.142 http://i943.photobucket.com/al...
Only now does she claim they were surveyor's marks which only makes her look even more stupid and unfit for office.]]> 2011-01-12T00:06:51Z oceanborndevil@yahoo.com Person 24.29.62.10
Those of us who've been a part of the AR movement long enough (and it doesn't take long to learn this) are familiar with the lengths troublemakers go to to discredit and defame prominent activists. For newcomers, let this be a lesson to you: these rumor-spreading, paranoia-enhancing techniques are on the rise, and will keep rising as our movement grows stronger.

]]> 2011-01-12T00:15:10Z kimberly_lee_83@hotmail.com Kim 24.215.76.19
It's free speech if you want to scream "Murderer!" at a scared, pregnant teen, and it's harassment if you want to walk through the woods making noise to warn nonhuman animals that there's danger (hunters out to prove how tough they are by shooting unarmed, mostly defenseless creatures).]]> 2011-01-12T00:50:00Z kimberly_lee_83@hotmail.com Kim 24.215.76.19 The ACLU with its radical humanism ("man is the measure of all things" claptrap) hasn't a clue when it comes to injustices suffered by animals or even ecological depredations that don't directly and immediately impact humans. So it is not the best organization to look to to protect the activism of those who do.
Great organizations both (CCR and the Guild) with a very distinguished even noble pedigree. Read Bill Kunstler's forward to Gary Francione's "Animals, Property and the Law"]]> 2011-01-12T01:45:05Z clarke.anne63@gmail.com Clarke Anne63 24.61.14.121
I really fail to understand how having a website with "targets" of any kind, can be tried as any sort of conspiracy. Conspiracy implies a secret agreement to break the law at a later point in time. Is posting the information somehow implicitly making an agreement to break the law with persons you may or may not know? What kind of precedent does that make, it blows my mind.]]> 2011-01-12T16:44:01Z saraswati628@gmail.com Saraswati628 74.76.128.127 ]]> 2011-01-12T17:01:49Z quealy_sloane@yahoo.com SPQ 63.118.185.66 2011-01-12T20:58:59Z virgendelasvacas@yahoo.com VirgendelasVacas 99.55.227.97 2011-01-12T22:23:52Z priya.rebelalliance@gmail.com Priya Rebelalliance 68.175.52.8 2011-01-13T14:09:23Z matt@unpunk.com mattnothing true mattnothing 38.105.231.102 2011-01-13T15:14:00Z rojoblazeoffreedom@hotmail.com johny reno 66.87.5.111 2011-01-13T15:21:45Z rojoblazeoffreedom@hotmail.com john reno 66.87.5.111 2011-01-13T15:33:50Z rojoblazeoffreedom@hotmail.com john reno 66.87.5.111
If I spraypaint the word "DONGS" on the side of a fishing vessel, does that count too? Sheesh.]]> 2011-01-13T16:06:18Z saraswati628@gmail.com Saraswati628 74.76.128.127 2011-01-13T16:21:08Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 If the end result is better than what's going on now, is it really causing terror?]]> 2011-01-13T16:49:37Z princess.ellenash@gmail.com Elle 205.215.222.135 2011-01-13T16:51:12Z rojoblazeoffreedom@hotmail.com john reno 66.87.5.111 2011-01-13T18:19:12Z rojoblazeoffreedom@hotmail.com john reno 66.87.5.111 2011-01-13T18:29:46Z rojoblazeoffreedom@hotmail.com johny 66.87.5.111
Neocons KNOW that progressives will only denounce their hate using civil discourse. They KNOW there is no real threat from the left. I have been saying for years that it will be the blood of liberals that flows, because they have the one thing rightwingers don't--sanity. I equate the GOP with the Mafia. They are a criminal organization which incites terror and extortion upon disadvantaged Americans to enrich themselves. They murder people to carry out their agenda. Whether thru wars, or denying health care to the terminally ill, or starving people by eliminating social programs, the result is the same -- millions dead. Yes Palin IS a terrorist and she has a lot of company.]]> 2011-01-14T05:57:53Z enendspeciescide@hotmail.com BB 72.25.192.4
Come on FBI, I know one of your main jobs is to crush social movements, but your lack of subtlety is embarrassing.]]> 2011-01-14T14:59:46Z saraswati628@gmail.com Saraswati628 74.76.128.127 2011-01-14T18:20:41Z michael.luurtsema@gmail.com guest 66.244.68.18 2011-01-14T20:46:19Z everyoneisdoomed@gmail.com karol. 70.53.86.119
My understanding is that Mark Kennedy made the offer to the defence team, but then ceased contact. The Guardian says that he left the police but continued as a private investigator for several months before activists discovered his original passport.

The Daily Telegraph reports he has signed up with not the Climate Camp twitter team, but British PR supremo Max Clifford.

Kennedy's individual story might be riveting, but the big questions about the actions of the police are far more important.

Followers can track the index page for all Guardian stories tagged with Mark Kennedy's name (RSS).

*I was a legal observer, but not a campaigner, at the 2009 Climate Camp.
]]> 2011-01-15T18:04:03Z Bill Verdant true openid-58091 91.85.136.220 2011-01-16T12:54:53Z dgmunn61@yahoo.com Dgmunn61 68.61.244.57
This is good, yet the practical use seems negligible, since the response tactics are observed and recorded on cameras at every demonstration. A handy booklet of that info may serve to prepare inexperienced protesters. What else can it offer the resistance?

Not to hustle negativeness, I'm interested in more perspectives on that question.]]> 2011-01-16T17:23:34Z veganimalien@riseup.net Veganimalien 24.21.202.143 RT.com( Russian Television). I think it is a Russian News network, based in Russia that goes directly to the internet. This segment was good, but I don't the origins of the station are the greatest thing for its credibility.]]> 2011-01-16T22:56:56Z bw.webmail@gmail.com beforewisdom 66.44.80.166 http://animalrights.about.com/...
]]> 2011-01-17T16:06:53Z stefani.olsen@gmail.com Stefani Olsen 173.66.72.236 2011-01-17T16:26:34Z jobsfelons@yahoo.com jobs for felons true bestjobsforfelons 110.36.64.75
"At the August 1963 March on Washington, Dr. King told the country of his dream that 'all of God’s children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, ‘Free at last, free at last. Thank God almighty, I’m free at last.'' The FBI’s Domestic Intelligence Division described this 'demagogic speech' as yet more evidence that Dr. King was 'the most dangerous and effective Negro leader in the country.' Shortly afterward, Time magazine chose Dr. King as the 'Man of the Year,' an honor which elicited Director Hoover’s comment that 'they had to dig deep in the garbage to come up with this one.'"

http://nsarchive.wordpress.com.../]]> 2011-01-17T19:08:40Z nateseiu49@gmail.com gordievsky 108.18.162.180 Does fighting in the military make you a patriot? A TRUE patriot would be ashamed of the current state of the nation, which is almost single-handedly due to fat, lazy, filthy, conservative Christian republicans like you. How about you go back to your La-Z-Boy couch and Fox news before you actually have to do a little bit of real thinking?]]> 2011-01-17T20:55:45Z smith_forrest13@southsaxons.com a REAL patriot 72.55.203.66 2011-01-18T03:40:43Z foursavages@gmail.com Cheryl 71.215.132.247 http://planetsave.com/2009/03/.../
(see points 4,2,1)]]> 2011-01-18T15:01:38Z nope@nope.no concerned 178.0.111.207 2011-01-18T15:02:26Z leslie@lesliejamespickering.com Leslie James Pickering 72.45.214.58 2011-01-18T15:04:33Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2011-01-18T15:04:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2011-01-18T15:05:20Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2011-01-18T15:19:43Z Abby Bean true twitter-35840296 128.112.193.159 2011-01-18T15:46:10Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2011-01-18T15:58:47Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com Lisa/LiberationNOW 71.88.110.145 2011-01-18T16:21:43Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2011-01-18T19:02:02Z skeptic@fake.com Skeptic 24.239.140.147 http://info.publicintelligence...]]> 2011-01-18T19:11:25Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
And yet, we can't name a *single* person killed by an animal rights activists, and the list of people harmed or nearly harmed by animal rights activists is quite small (I can only think of a few examples). But obviously the same is not true when it comes to sympathizers of Right-wing causes.]]> 2011-01-18T21:15:06Z alexmelonas@msn.com Alex Melonas 155.247.235.112
For once the justice system worked.]]> 2011-01-19T18:03:56Z dominus_a@yahoo.com Dominus_a 63.84.33.196 2011-01-19T18:12:41Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 The organization is filled to the brim with criminals and corruption.

The USDA doesn't like PETA because the USDA is virtually owned and operated by the meat, dairy and pharmaceutical industries.

]]> 2011-01-20T03:28:41Z kendalleddis@yahoo.com Kendal 76.231.249.116 2011-01-20T22:51:59Z bertolas@ix.netcom.com Bertolas 64.183.6.218 2011-01-21T06:39:50Z compositekits@yahoo.com Pitbulls Rule Peta Sucks 216.186.249.17 2011-01-21T14:28:48Z tomonroad@yahoo.com libhomo true libhomo 24.168.16.18
Media hasn't regressed. It's simply more tightly controlled because the actions of activists do disrupt profits and challenge societal norms such as animal agriculture, vivisection, hunting, and human rights violations in the name of national security.

The world is getting good at convicting activists because perhaps many people no longer have strong personal convictions. People buy more than products; they buy slogans and dogma. And the real prison for some activists is the fear of incarceration. Playing it safe is a lethal illusion. An activist can toe the line all he wants, but the federal government will keep erasing that line till it's gone.

In the tradition of The Catonsville 9 and many other resisters, we all have to help protect the uncompromising quest for justice. Thanks for carrying the fire, Will.]]> 2011-01-21T16:43:14Z thetravelingwoman@gmail.com hawkgirl 74.76.122.67 2011-01-21T19:31:30Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4 2011-01-22T00:35:27Z kathylenape@gmail.com Kathylenape 75.195.86.214 Dauerwald. they saw natural sites like the Black Forest as the Ursprung of the Teutonic spirit, uncorrupted by modern society and its economic form of capitalism, which they associated with Jewry. of course, a lot of this Germanic naturalist horseshit has been unwittingly "recycled" and reprocessed by the present-day environmentalist movement, which still fancies itself to be extremely forward-thinking and anti-establishment

it actually makes much less sense that an anti-abortion terrorist would be mentioned in the same breath as a neo-Nazi, ideologically speaking. fascism, especially in its NSDAP strain, supported forced sterilization and mandatory abortion procedures as part of its eugenicist program of racial hygiene. anti-abortion extremists may be religious lunatics, but they wouldn't be caught dead with a neo-Nazi. "radical" environmentalism is far more compatible with Nazism than the pro-life fringe

so it would seem that the only legitimate basis for your objection, Will Potter, is that the environmentalists are being associated with murderers, not specifically anti-abortion or anti-semitic murderers. McGowan and the SHAC 7 have been imprisoned for the destruction of property, not the destruction of life, as with Furrow and Waagner. but the ideologies involved would seem to be irrelevant, since at an ideological level environmentalists would have far more in common with neo-Nazis than anti-abortion fanatics. i'm not sure why you feel it's even necessary to mention them

i suspect the point you are trying to get at is that apparently "left-wing" anti-corporate/anti-capitalist activists are being unfairly equated with right-wing terrorists who are guilty of far worse crimes. the nature of their crimes notwithstanding, however, this takes for granted the idea that animal rights advocates and environmentalists are actually part of the political Left. from an historical perspective, on the contrary, it would be seen that environmentalism is politically ambiguous and that a great deal of its ideology has been inherited from romantic nationalist currents in the 19th century and more recently from mass right-wing movements like fascism. a leftist position that was less politically confused would see the goal of society and humanity in general as the self-conscious global mastery of nature, not the dangerously haphazard and individualistic hyperexploitation of the environment, as things currently stand. but not the flimsy and shallow anti-corporate rhetoric that's peddled today by most environmentalists

sorry for the long post/rant]]> 2011-01-22T22:25:36Z ben.rosenblum@gmail.com Ben Rosenblum 65.88.88.174
"Together, we can stop they cycle of history repeating itself"

with reference to the anti-communist Red Scare(s). if i may be allowed to paraphrase Marx:

"Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce. Zerzan for Lenin, primitivism for socialism, the Seattle of 1999 for the Petrograd of 1917, the green for the red."]]> 2011-01-22T22:44:17Z ben.rosenblum@gmail.com Ben Rosenblum 65.88.88.174 2011-01-24T23:51:17Z nothanks@yahoo.com Ross Wolfe Fan 71.58.118.43 2011-01-25T03:17:34Z craig_is_one@hotmail.co.uk Craig_is_one 82.0.17.162 Henry
Geothermal]]> 2011-01-25T18:21:20Z henry@geothermalexperts.net GeothermalExpt 173.171.116.15 2011-01-25T18:55:25Z sofiawolf13@yahoo.com xofi 68.93.100.74 2011-01-25T20:27:39Z kezia@evolotuspr.com Kezia 24.43.148.50 2011-01-25T22:20:38Z rick.bogle@gmail.com Rick Bogle 68.190.115.122 2011-01-25T22:22:29Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 64.105.221.50 2011-01-27T19:49:44Z vicious-vegan@hotmail.com Liz 173.166.5.158
Also, housing non-violent offenders together with violent ones is extremely dangerous; that is how people get hurt. A prison administration with even a scintilla of professionalism would never allow this.]]> 2011-01-30T18:36:54Z dustbunnystalker@yahoo.com Dustbunnystalker 204.246.125.239 2011-02-03T14:02:55Z melanievaughn@mail.com Melanie Vaughn true MelnieVaugnn 94.136.45.8 http://www.gricni.com/bombasti...]]> 2011-02-04T20:48:54Z valkira07@gmail.com gricni chuck norris 188.129.123.203 2011-02-06T18:24:41Z randy@randydunning.com Snitch-In-Time 71.252.165.124
Rusu]]> 2011-02-09T11:09:34Z fdcollective@gmail.com Rusu 80.195.255.144 2011-02-09T13:36:42Z fdcollective@gmail.com Rusu 80.195.255.144 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...]]> 2011-02-09T14:40:31Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 199.223.129.4
where can I get the film in Germany?

Christian from Hamburg]]> 2011-02-09T22:47:13Z beir_bua@web.de Christian 85.176.38.252
I don't think it is available overseas yet (it's actually not available in the U.S. yet either). I believe it is supposed to air on PBS, and perhaps it will be online at that time. -Will]]> 2011-02-10T01:53:24Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2011-02-10T18:59:39Z matt@unpunk.com mattnothing true mattnothing 38.105.231.102
Thanks for the great link, it's an interesting film. :)]]> 2011-02-10T19:57:17Z pete.lypkie@gmail.com doviende 78.53.33.13 2011-02-11T15:41:46Z fag@yahoo.com Faggot 205.247.31.2 2011-02-11T16:20:50Z marcus@gma.com Marcus 126.109.231.44 2011-02-11T17:57:49Z bubu@yahoo.com Bubu 75.148.83.150 2011-02-11T19:30:23Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 166.130.23.147 2011-02-15T17:50:35Z jennysynan@gmail.com jenny 24.136.97.138 2011-02-15T18:26:48Z blacksoftailharley@yahoo.com LisaLiberationNOW 71.88.110.145 2011-02-15T20:04:32Z moreorlesh@aol.com Monkeywrencher 71.225.68.4
Aussi, Je vois tes lèvres bouger, mais tout ce que j'entends est vos cheveux dans le vent]]> 2011-02-16T06:16:31Z l.pachaud@gmail.com Liz 64.234.43.37 2011-02-17T02:55:45Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2011-02-17T03:33:52Z jeffb453@ymail.com Jeffb453 76.218.20.179 2011-02-17T21:31:52Z ncvegdotcom@gmail.com Micah 71.207.129.150
Marx put it best when he recalled in his Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Napoleon that 'Hegel remarks somewhere that all great world-historic facts and personages appear, so to speak, twice. He forgot to add: the first time as tragedy, the second time as farce.' So it is that the Red Scares of the 1920s and 1950s possessed a tragic aspect (particularly the former); by contrast, both the cause and the issues at stake in the so-called 'Green Scare' appear farcical.

All this site amounts to is a series of halfhearted declamations regarding the hypocrisies and stupidities of the U.S. government in terms of its priorities in the 'war on terror.' It remains imprisoned within the logic of liberal democracy with its emphasis limited civil liberties and fair adjudication. These are all well and good, but the imagination of a society erected on principles that are fundamentally different from those that hold sway at present remains lost on the author and readership of this blog.]]> 2011-02-19T17:49:42Z lawrence.m.cohen@ymail.com Larry Cohen 65.88.88.174
It is SOOOOOOO sad that most of the ELF/ALF are now (correctly) in prison. Hope they have a GREAT time there! But since so many liberals (I love the change to "progressives" BTW, you finally figured out that liberal is a dirty word to MOST American's?) ARE fags anyway, probably not a big prob. It is just those mean ol'thirty year sentances. Why that is just inhumane for committing terrorism! (Opps, forgot, it is NOT terrorism if you love little puppies, and teacher said it was ok).

Look at how many of these morons have now thrown their lives away!

Very sad, that you are not smarter than that....]]> 2011-02-20T07:52:38Z mtner77@netscape.com BillWS 72.173.32.39 2011-02-20T14:12:43Z derpderpderp@yahoo.com Derpderpderp 68.80.13.193 2011-02-21T21:14:04Z thevkstr@yahoo.com Thevkstr 75.69.4.203 2011-02-21T21:19:37Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153 2011-02-22T07:50:32Z gainer.jessica@yahoo.com mandala sacred geometry true MandalaSacredGeometry 121.1.26.106 2011-02-23T02:30:34Z mopctransl@yahoo.com.br mopc 189.4.153.132 2011-02-23T02:33:05Z mopctransl@yahoo.com.br Mopctransl 189.4.153.132 2011-02-23T02:38:03Z will@willpotter.com Will Potter true willpotter 216.15.49.153
How about a political discussion that isn't just a tired rehearsal of all the old scripted parts? Not every argument over environmentalism has to be between the heartless Wall Street suit and the ingenuous, flannel-shirt-and-skinny-jeans-wearing activist. Why not pit the present-day, ethically self-satisfied Green advocate against the ghost of Leftist past....a Bolshevik who's up on current events?]]> 2011-02-23T21:13:11Z ben.rosenblum@gmail.com ben rosenblum 65.88.88.174 wp_id=234905;date=2010-03-25 14:18:04-04:00
I've been a supporter of his in the past, ufos or not, but I really don't get that at all and it still bothers me. I mean, I realize he's a politician but I didn't see that sort of thing from him.

Any thoughts?]]> 2010-03-25T18:18:04Z nick@none.disqus.net Nick 96.232.221.189